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To be considered a 'genericized trademark,' a word or phrase should meet two specific criteria: First, its origin should be as a trademark or product name, not a word in general use which was co-opted by a company and used as a trademark. Second, the word should have gone through a phase of genericization, in which it started out as a trademark or product name, but then came to mean 'any type of the same' object. For example, 'Kleenex', though still trademarked, qualifies as a genericized trademark because people generally refer to any brand of tissue as a 'Kleenex'. By contrast, 'Zenith' does not qualify as a genericized trademark, because it is merely a real word that also happens to be a trademark. (Contributed by Paul Klenk)
Moxie gives rise to another potential category...
I didn't tag this page for a split, so I guess I'm the second aye if this is under vote, and if not just go ahead! I sometimes come back to keep an eye on the language about how common these words really are, but I'm not so interested in the list itself. Davilla 19:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I think this should be merged with the article "household name"
They do seem to be rather similar, and the "household name" article is fairly small. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.20.226.113 ( talk) 08:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
Indeed, I would think that 'household names' and 'genericised trandemarks' are quite different. A 'household name' is merely something that is very well known - it does not connote directly with genericisation of its name, though people might consider a 'household name' to be a "Plato's cave" style ideal example of whatever group it happens to belong to. - 124.168.169.22 06:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that "trademark" is a single word at this point. No doubt it started as two, and as commonly happens (at least in U.S. English) it has merged. The dictionary I have in front of me is only 10 years old, but it shows it as a single word. Is there a British perspective? -- Johnsm2 20:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
-Scotch Tape, referring to prety much any clear adhesive tape -Q-Tips, thats a good one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.152.115 ( talk) 22:33, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
The article probably should mention where these terms are used; I've never heard of them. Jepflast ( talk) 07:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I've radically trimmed the list here to a few instructive examples - all other examples should be added to List of generic and genericized trademarks, not here unless you have a very specific rationale for listing here.
Most of the items here had no references, so I have not added them to the "full" list. If you wish to discuss the addition of any of these items, please do so on the list's talk page. - IMSoP ( talk) 23:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
The list of examples includes "trademarks which have either lost their legal protection, or are commonly used generically by consumers". In other words, things that are either genericized trademarks or not genericized trademarks. I propose that anything that has not lost it's legal trademark status in at least one jurisdiction is removed from the list. Otherwise we are misleading our readers. (And it must also have a reference). DJ Clayworth ( talk) 14:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Can someone tell me why it says no more examples??? Kleenex, Google, and {{Zip-Loc]] are all really good and modern examples... WikiFanD 23:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikifan798 ( talk • contribs)
Here's a related concept, almost the opposite, but I don't know where else to describe or talk about this.
What's it called when a company is seemingly trying to create a new real word to describe its (non-copyrighted) product? For example, a high-end cookery company makes Dutch ovens with a variation, then markets it as a (created, contrived word) " doufeu," seemingly to make that concept easy to use or interesting in conversation? (One advantage is, a real-looking word gives the appearance of being old and respectable, not a "mere" commercial gimmick-object, and also as being a separate product, not a mere variation.) Is there a word for 1)that practice or 2)the attempted new word?
(In this hyper-texted, easy to google world, I'm guessing this practice will become more popular.) -- 71.142.8.175 ( talk) 19:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)Doug Bashford
Doesn't it seem a bit weird that there's no Category:Genericized trademarks? — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 08:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
To be considered a 'genericized trademark,' a word or phrase should meet two specific criteria: First, its origin should be as a trademark or product name, not a word in general use which was co-opted by a company and used as a trademark. Second, the word should have gone through a phase of genericization, in which it started out as a trademark or product name, but then came to mean 'any type of the same' object. For example, 'Kleenex', though still trademarked, qualifies as a genericized trademark because people generally refer to any brand of tissue as a 'Kleenex'. By contrast, 'Zenith' does not qualify as a genericized trademark, because it is merely a real word that also happens to be a trademark. (Contributed by Paul Klenk)
Moxie gives rise to another potential category...
I didn't tag this page for a split, so I guess I'm the second aye if this is under vote, and if not just go ahead! I sometimes come back to keep an eye on the language about how common these words really are, but I'm not so interested in the list itself. Davilla 19:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I think this should be merged with the article "household name"
They do seem to be rather similar, and the "household name" article is fairly small. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.20.226.113 ( talk) 08:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
Indeed, I would think that 'household names' and 'genericised trandemarks' are quite different. A 'household name' is merely something that is very well known - it does not connote directly with genericisation of its name, though people might consider a 'household name' to be a "Plato's cave" style ideal example of whatever group it happens to belong to. - 124.168.169.22 06:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that "trademark" is a single word at this point. No doubt it started as two, and as commonly happens (at least in U.S. English) it has merged. The dictionary I have in front of me is only 10 years old, but it shows it as a single word. Is there a British perspective? -- Johnsm2 20:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
-Scotch Tape, referring to prety much any clear adhesive tape -Q-Tips, thats a good one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.152.115 ( talk) 22:33, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
The article probably should mention where these terms are used; I've never heard of them. Jepflast ( talk) 07:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I've radically trimmed the list here to a few instructive examples - all other examples should be added to List of generic and genericized trademarks, not here unless you have a very specific rationale for listing here.
Most of the items here had no references, so I have not added them to the "full" list. If you wish to discuss the addition of any of these items, please do so on the list's talk page. - IMSoP ( talk) 23:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
The list of examples includes "trademarks which have either lost their legal protection, or are commonly used generically by consumers". In other words, things that are either genericized trademarks or not genericized trademarks. I propose that anything that has not lost it's legal trademark status in at least one jurisdiction is removed from the list. Otherwise we are misleading our readers. (And it must also have a reference). DJ Clayworth ( talk) 14:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Can someone tell me why it says no more examples??? Kleenex, Google, and {{Zip-Loc]] are all really good and modern examples... WikiFanD 23:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikifan798 ( talk • contribs)
Here's a related concept, almost the opposite, but I don't know where else to describe or talk about this.
What's it called when a company is seemingly trying to create a new real word to describe its (non-copyrighted) product? For example, a high-end cookery company makes Dutch ovens with a variation, then markets it as a (created, contrived word) " doufeu," seemingly to make that concept easy to use or interesting in conversation? (One advantage is, a real-looking word gives the appearance of being old and respectable, not a "mere" commercial gimmick-object, and also as being a separate product, not a mere variation.) Is there a word for 1)that practice or 2)the attempted new word?
(In this hyper-texted, easy to google world, I'm guessing this practice will become more popular.) -- 71.142.8.175 ( talk) 19:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)Doug Bashford
Doesn't it seem a bit weird that there's no Category:Genericized trademarks? — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 08:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)