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I was thinking that perhaps MTFs and FTMs should have separate sections since SRS has so many surrounding topics for FTMs. I know both consistently get lumped together, but realistically, the surgical techniques and standards for FTMs are unfortunately decades behind those for MTFs and this is both relevant here and a topic which needs greater attention. Agree/disagree? I would love to see some one with better firsthand knowledge do this, but I suppose I could try to do it if no one else stepped forward. Any thoughts? Paige
Regarding Standards of Care
It would be nice if the article stayed that way with regard to SOCs, and not get changed back again to a US-centric view. In many European Countries, the HBIGDA-SOC are not the SOCs usually used, but local SOCs exist. The HBIGDA-SOC would be a real improvement there, believe me!
And I am thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to put SOCs into a seperate article altogether. It is not directly related to surgery, and a seperate article would also provide the opportunity to cover the different standards better.
AlexR 23:56 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Alex and Kimiko, if you have a chance, please check out the changes I made and the new
Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association article. Thanks,
Paige 14:37 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Hi Paige! I don't think the line is confusing, and the difference between transsexuals and transgenders can easily be examined from the corrospondung articles. (Although the TS article could, IMO, use a bit of clean-up; maybe I'll do that sometime.) Anyway, my life and being post-op transgender is by no means a special case. Transmen who do not identify as transsexual and who had upper surgery are quite common, not only in Germany (and being a founder of the only German association of transmen, I know many), but also, from what I hear, in other countries, including the US. It is therefore extremely annoying if one keeps reading that surgery=transsexual equation, which simply isn't one. I also know it's more common among transwomen to make that equation, although, from what I can observe, it is by no means as widespread as it used to be. This is not just a modifier, either, but an essential information. And it needs not much further explanation, because, as I said, if people want to know the difference, the articles about TS and TG are only one click away.
As for the HBIGDA article, I think it was quite clear from the information already present in the debate that other SOCs exist. Therefore to write an article that makes it impossible to add this information where it belongs looks quite US-centric to me. And no other information about other SOCs were provided yet because it makes sense to write about the HBIGDA-SOCs first, since they are the most widespread ones, and they can very well be used as reference. And I have to admitt that I did not see the need to hurry with information about the German SOCs (which are the ones I know best) because the information is probably not all that relevant to English speaking users, mur merely interesting. The other reason why I only wanted to point out the differences, and for that the HBIGDA-SOCs needed to be written about first. Also, other standards are not only used in Germany, not even predominantly. In fact, the only country I know where the pure and plain HBIGDA-SOCs are used regulary are the USA, in all other countries I know the guidelines or local SOCs differ.
As for any grammar or spelling mistakes, I apologise. Not only is English not my first language, for some reason I usually write in the middle of the night.
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AlexR 20:31 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I forgot to add: It was not my intention to keep you or anybody from working at this articles. It is just that I have had the transsexual vs. transgender debate far, far too many times - without ever having seen the point in it in the first place. By now, that may make my reactions more brusque that necessary in that particular stuation. No offense was indented.
AlexR 07:42 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I cleaned up the article a bit and removed several bits and pieces that have nothing to do with SRS, like style guides for pronouns, adopting or fostering children after changing gender, and the rather astonishing idea that harassment of trans-people is limited to those without proper paper and changed genitals. I will try to work the first two bits into the TS-article. AlexR 14:45 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Am I the only one who finds the term "Sexual Reassignment Surgery" to be odd? I'd always heard "SRS" rendered as "Sex Reassignment Surgery". After all, one does not have one's "sexual" reassigned (although I must admit that "gastric resection" and "arterial graft" follow the same grammatical pattern). And then there's the folks in Montreal who prefer "GRS".
Go figure. MaggieL 00:09 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
The articles about intersex persons, such as myself, only talk about what has been typically done to us, but it doesn't say a word about surgeries to help reverse prior surgeries. I'm mostly interested in how they would be able to turn the surgeries I have had into something managable for surgeries to do the opposite. For example, I was given surgeries to force me to be female, but I want to live as a man. I would also like to know if it's possible to get transplants for things like erectile tissue, from a donor, and whether or not it would function more naturally than the prosthetics. (by User:Stef M)
Hi everyone,
I am a college student at South Dakota State U., and I am doing a research/huamn anatomy/awareness paper on sexual reassignment. I ws wondering if anyone could lend me a helping hand. I am looking for reliable sources of information. I haven't found too much,yet, and I have sent out about 50+ emials with just a few responses. I am looking for surgical procedures with pictures along with any pathological porblems that may occur with these types of reassignments. I would really appreciate any help that any of you have to give. Thanks.
Matt Anderson
Why are links to lists of SRS surgeons, which have been removed, "not the role of wikipedia"? That explanation has more than a few disturbing possible motivations, and not a single logical one I can come up with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.41.80.220 ( talk • contribs)
I think the SRS surgeon's list should stay. It's not a place to look for advise, but, certainly a place for resource.
Sex change should probably be merged into here since it doesn't have very much information which needs to be separate. At the very most, it should only be a sort-of-disambiguation-page (to show the difference between SRS and "mental" sex changes (such as hormone therapy, etc...) Nippoo 12:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up: I'd like to start improving this page. Several things that I'd like to include:
Any other comments or suggestions? I do think the article need cleaning up and verification, and it could quite possibly jump a class if we get onto it.
Cheers, Lwollert 00:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Uhh, how do you do an article on this without mentioning when the surgery was first done, who by, & on whom? RuPaul 16:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Other than people with sex genes other than XX XY, aren't you alway male or female? Even if you are born with genitalia inconsistent with your genes your genes will clearly definde your sex. I've read some articles on post operative ftm and mtf and they are referred to by their preferred sex. Having SRS doesn't actually change your sex, it only modifies your body to resemble the sex you desire. -- 146.115.73.181 09:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
In my site I have images from a sex reassignment surgery. I think the images are of great value especially for someone who has to undergo such an operation. If you think so too feel free to add it in the external links section
http://surgery-images.com/sex%20reassignment/male%20to%20female%20sex%20change.html Nfostiras 15:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The current section on results metnions that people who take the surgery cannot reproduce, but it doesn't say anything about how the genital nerves are affected and whether and how post-ops can enjoy sex. Some info? Redge( Talk) 16:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
That section does indeed have many problems. I have removed more of the unsourced claims from it. — James Cantor ( talk) 11:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Many people who have sex gender surgery claim that they are the same inside. eg a man who has the surgery to become a women is still a man inside etc... So if the man becomes a women and is then attracted to men doesnt that make that man gay? Becoming a women artificially qualifies you as being a women? Being born a man and liking men makes you gay (correct) ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.95.197 ( talk) 02:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
The word sic appears in square brackets, is this vandalism? Please see my other comments on the article 'Baptist Medical Center sex reassignment surgery controversy' article, where this same bracketed word appears. possibly the same editor. or perhaps this isn't vandalism at all and only an unknown reference. 94.113.2.4 ( talk) 17:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Should this article be titled "Sex reassignment surgery" or should it be titled "Gender reassignment surgery"? (Either way, the title we don't choose will redirect to the title we do.) -- Guy Macon ( talk) 15:52, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is no longer free of bias, as it's criticism section and clear references to sexual confusion disorder (I forgot the name, it's what I was trying to look up) have been removed without warrant to do so. This is in violation of Wikipedia ethics. You are not allowed to block alternative points of view, especially not ones scientifically proven! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.124.10.73 ( talk) 03:11, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
"Sex reassignment surgery (initialized as SRS; also known as gender reassignment surgery, genital reconstruction surgery, sex affirmation surgery, sex realignment surgery or sex-change operation) is a term for the surgical procedures by which a person's physical appearance and function of their existing sexual characteristics are altered to resemble that of the other sex."
When the article refers to 'that of the other sex' at the start, it presupposes that there are only two sexes. It also presupposes the idea that the penis and testicles are only for a man and the vagina, ovaries, clitoris etc. are only for a woman.
Intersexuals are not simply 'between' sexes, they constitute a range of at least 3 more sexes: http://frank.mtsu.edu/~phollowa/5sexes.html
Can someone please fix that bias?
I think most people would say that there are only two sexes. However that isn't really the point here, for sexual reassignment implies changing from one to another, i.e. male to female or vice versa. There is no room for an alternative.
What isn't made clear is that the process only changes - to a greater or lesser degree - the appearance of sexual identity. The change is superficial, as the new organs are non-functioning. A man will still be a man, even if his penis has been amputated, a hole has been created suggestive of a uterus, and he has breast implants.
The key words in the definition are "a person's physical appearance" are altered to resemble that of the other [sex]". The words "and function of their existing sexual characteristic" is only correct to the extent that the function of existing organs is ended.
Pardon me if this question has been addressed before or if it’s just too silly, but I was curious as to the semantics for the use of "reassignment" in this case. I understand that the evolution parts of the English language, at least in the United States has accelerated disproportionately in the last 40-years, much of it driven by social politics. I recall when this procedure was called a "sex change". Was "change" changed/reassigned to "reassignment" for any particular reason? Would acknowledging that sex is "assigned" in the first place also be an acknowledgement of a "Creator"? I ask half in jest, but I truly am curious.-- 69.118.159.140 19:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
That's a very interesting question. I think the term "sex reassignment" is used because babies are usually assigned to one sex at birth, by their doctors and/or parents, usually based on the appearance of their genitals. That said, I don't think acknowledgment of an assigned sex is an acknowledgement of a creator. A person's sex is "reassigned" when they go through transition, but most transsexual people consider there to be much more to sex and gender than the appearance of the external genitals. See the article on sex change for reasons why this term is often considered incorrect for referring to SRS. I think better terms for the genital surgery itself would be "genital correction surgery" or "genital reconstruction surgery." The term "sex reassignment" has been used since the 1950's, but "sex change" is the only term known by many people unfamiliar with transsexualism.
Andrea Parton 23:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The most politically and grammatically correct term to use is "genital reconstruction surgery" for bottom surgery, as the surgery a) does not change one's sex OR gender; b) turns the existing nerves and tissue on a person to something that resembles another, desired organ.
96.241.68.41 (
talk)
14:42, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
When there is an existing Wikipedia article for someone and their sex then changes due to SRS, is there established protocol for how the article is altered? I'm guessing at least a name change needs to occur for the page title with a redirection from the old name. Feel free to point me elsewhere is this is not the appropriate place to ask this question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmckey ( talk • contribs) 07:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Why MtF more than FtM?-- 92.46.170.206 ( talk) 10:29, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
A complete discussion of any medical or surgical therapy should include at least a cursory overview of the effectiveness of that therapy in improving the condition being treated. Such a discussion should also discuss any side-effects and any other notable outcomes for the procedure. This article includes no such discussion whatsoever, and would be much improved by including current research on that topic,including rates of patient satisfaction after undergoing surgery, quality of life outcomes, and change in prevalence or severity of any other comorbidities, such as depression, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.138.19 ( talk) 08:52, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
This is an imperfect redirect target. Indeed, the topic of Urethraplasty is allied to, yet different from sex reassignment surgery. It is a general surgical technique, one performed, generally, by a specialist plastic surgeon. Please will a knowledgeable editor create an embryo Urethraplasty article? Fiddle Faddle 20:22, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
1) Dhejne, C., Lichtenstein, P., Boman, M., Johansson, A. L., Långström, N., & Landén, M. (2011). Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden. PloS one, 6(2), e16885.
2) Hunt, D. D., & Hampson, J. L. (1980). Follow-up of 17 biologic male transsexuals after sex-reassignment surgery. The American journal of psychiatry.
Psunbf ( talk) 00:53, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
De Cuypere, G., T'Sjoen, G., Beerten, R., Selvaggi, G., De Sutter, P., Hoebeke, P., et al. (2005). Sexual and physical health after sex reassignment surgery. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 34(6), 679-690. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10508-005-7926-5
Wierckx, K., Van Caenegem, E., Elaut, E., Dedecker, D., Van, d. P., Toye, K., et al. (2011). Quality of life and sexual health after sex reassignment surgery in transsexual men. Journal of Sexual Medicine, 8(12), 3379-3388. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02348.x
Olsson, S., & Möller, A. (2006). Regret after sex reassignment surgery in a male-to-female transsexual: A long-term follow-up. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 35(4), 501-6. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10508-006-9040-8
Masumori, N. (2012). Status of sex reassignment surgery for gender identity disorder in japan. International Journal of Urology : Official Journal of the Japanese Urological Association, 19(5), 402-414. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1442-2042.2012.02975.x
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 13:23, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
– The medical terminology has changed from "Sex Reassignment Surgery to Gender Confirmation Surgery [1] Travis H. O. ( talk) 14:59, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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I have also done some minor editing regarding grammar and sentence structure - Lupet123 ( talk) 11:42, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
It might be relevant to consider changing the title of this article to 'Gender confirmation surgery' and changing 'Sex reassignment surgery' to redirect to this page.
There are several reasons for this, but the chief of these is that gender confirmation surgery can be more accurately described to be a collection of surgeries related to gender dysphoria, and not specifically the changing of primary sex characteristics such as genitalia. This article should encompass these surgeries more broadly, with more specific descriptions either contained within or linked out to other pages as necessary.
Thoughts?
Wispinn ( talk) 04:14, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Overall, I think this article is a very interesting read, however I have a few comments to make:
1) In some paragraphs the sentences aren't always grammatically correct and having spelling mistakes, therefore it feels possibly a bit rushed in areas. (In terms of editing, I made some changes to grammar and spelling within the Physical & Psychological consequences, in an attempt to make them flow slightly better.)
2) The History section is really interesting, as it gives people a background context for the rest of the information, however it may be better if the history section was placed near the start so that the article was read in a kind of chronological order.
3) The 'At Birth' section is very short and lacking information. Therefore this would be a good area to expand on, and maybe even expand on what 'intersex' at birth means.
4) It may also be interesting to include a section about the other things that go on alongside sex reassignment surgery, such as the hormone therapy that is undergone by a lot of people who have sexual reassignment.
Belieber1995 ( talk) 20:04, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi, this is a really interesting section to read, this section has a great potential in providing lots of intriguing information. I have copyedited this for you as I have found some minor mistakes. Below are some points that you may consider:
1. This section could have more internal wiki pages or external websites to other pages for the terms such as the face feminization surgery, this will save people's time if they want to look up these terms. (I have linked some of the pages for you already.)
2. It may be clearer if you separate transmen and transwomen into two subtopics.
3. More detail (studies) and references could be added, it might be useful to add more references just to demonstrate a wider range of evidence and research to provide a better understanding for lay readers. For physical health, you only include self-perceived health ratings, other measures are needed.
4. Might be better to separate the paragraph into two subheadings : Physical Health and Sexual Health.
5. Last two sentences of the last paragraph could be moved to Sexual Satisfaction." Comparing transsexual and biological individuals of the same gender, trans women had a similar sexual satisfaction with biological women, while trans men had a lower level of sexual satisfaction with biological men. For the sex satisfaction differences between trans men and trans women, trans men had a lower satisfaction in their sexual life than that of trans women." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suellen Kong ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
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Overall a well-written piece, I focused primarily on the Physical and Psychological Consequences sections, of which were informative and concise.
This is a really interesting topic, I have made a few minor edits, but definitely enjoyed reading the article. I hope my suggestions are helpful! Rtillman04 ( talk) 14:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
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In this section, we read in one sentence that "very few of the patients have expressed regret", and in another, we read "Sex change regret is not rare." I am not an expert on this issue, but this section aught to be examined by someone who is. schetm ( talk) 20:00, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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I was thinking that perhaps MTFs and FTMs should have separate sections since SRS has so many surrounding topics for FTMs. I know both consistently get lumped together, but realistically, the surgical techniques and standards for FTMs are unfortunately decades behind those for MTFs and this is both relevant here and a topic which needs greater attention. Agree/disagree? I would love to see some one with better firsthand knowledge do this, but I suppose I could try to do it if no one else stepped forward. Any thoughts? Paige
Regarding Standards of Care
It would be nice if the article stayed that way with regard to SOCs, and not get changed back again to a US-centric view. In many European Countries, the HBIGDA-SOC are not the SOCs usually used, but local SOCs exist. The HBIGDA-SOC would be a real improvement there, believe me!
And I am thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to put SOCs into a seperate article altogether. It is not directly related to surgery, and a seperate article would also provide the opportunity to cover the different standards better.
AlexR 23:56 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Alex and Kimiko, if you have a chance, please check out the changes I made and the new
Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association article. Thanks,
Paige 14:37 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Hi Paige! I don't think the line is confusing, and the difference between transsexuals and transgenders can easily be examined from the corrospondung articles. (Although the TS article could, IMO, use a bit of clean-up; maybe I'll do that sometime.) Anyway, my life and being post-op transgender is by no means a special case. Transmen who do not identify as transsexual and who had upper surgery are quite common, not only in Germany (and being a founder of the only German association of transmen, I know many), but also, from what I hear, in other countries, including the US. It is therefore extremely annoying if one keeps reading that surgery=transsexual equation, which simply isn't one. I also know it's more common among transwomen to make that equation, although, from what I can observe, it is by no means as widespread as it used to be. This is not just a modifier, either, but an essential information. And it needs not much further explanation, because, as I said, if people want to know the difference, the articles about TS and TG are only one click away.
As for the HBIGDA article, I think it was quite clear from the information already present in the debate that other SOCs exist. Therefore to write an article that makes it impossible to add this information where it belongs looks quite US-centric to me. And no other information about other SOCs were provided yet because it makes sense to write about the HBIGDA-SOCs first, since they are the most widespread ones, and they can very well be used as reference. And I have to admitt that I did not see the need to hurry with information about the German SOCs (which are the ones I know best) because the information is probably not all that relevant to English speaking users, mur merely interesting. The other reason why I only wanted to point out the differences, and for that the HBIGDA-SOCs needed to be written about first. Also, other standards are not only used in Germany, not even predominantly. In fact, the only country I know where the pure and plain HBIGDA-SOCs are used regulary are the USA, in all other countries I know the guidelines or local SOCs differ.
As for any grammar or spelling mistakes, I apologise. Not only is English not my first language, for some reason I usually write in the middle of the night.
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AlexR 20:31 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I forgot to add: It was not my intention to keep you or anybody from working at this articles. It is just that I have had the transsexual vs. transgender debate far, far too many times - without ever having seen the point in it in the first place. By now, that may make my reactions more brusque that necessary in that particular stuation. No offense was indented.
AlexR 07:42 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I cleaned up the article a bit and removed several bits and pieces that have nothing to do with SRS, like style guides for pronouns, adopting or fostering children after changing gender, and the rather astonishing idea that harassment of trans-people is limited to those without proper paper and changed genitals. I will try to work the first two bits into the TS-article. AlexR 14:45 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Am I the only one who finds the term "Sexual Reassignment Surgery" to be odd? I'd always heard "SRS" rendered as "Sex Reassignment Surgery". After all, one does not have one's "sexual" reassigned (although I must admit that "gastric resection" and "arterial graft" follow the same grammatical pattern). And then there's the folks in Montreal who prefer "GRS".
Go figure. MaggieL 00:09 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
The articles about intersex persons, such as myself, only talk about what has been typically done to us, but it doesn't say a word about surgeries to help reverse prior surgeries. I'm mostly interested in how they would be able to turn the surgeries I have had into something managable for surgeries to do the opposite. For example, I was given surgeries to force me to be female, but I want to live as a man. I would also like to know if it's possible to get transplants for things like erectile tissue, from a donor, and whether or not it would function more naturally than the prosthetics. (by User:Stef M)
Hi everyone,
I am a college student at South Dakota State U., and I am doing a research/huamn anatomy/awareness paper on sexual reassignment. I ws wondering if anyone could lend me a helping hand. I am looking for reliable sources of information. I haven't found too much,yet, and I have sent out about 50+ emials with just a few responses. I am looking for surgical procedures with pictures along with any pathological porblems that may occur with these types of reassignments. I would really appreciate any help that any of you have to give. Thanks.
Matt Anderson
Why are links to lists of SRS surgeons, which have been removed, "not the role of wikipedia"? That explanation has more than a few disturbing possible motivations, and not a single logical one I can come up with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.41.80.220 ( talk • contribs)
I think the SRS surgeon's list should stay. It's not a place to look for advise, but, certainly a place for resource.
Sex change should probably be merged into here since it doesn't have very much information which needs to be separate. At the very most, it should only be a sort-of-disambiguation-page (to show the difference between SRS and "mental" sex changes (such as hormone therapy, etc...) Nippoo 12:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up: I'd like to start improving this page. Several things that I'd like to include:
Any other comments or suggestions? I do think the article need cleaning up and verification, and it could quite possibly jump a class if we get onto it.
Cheers, Lwollert 00:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Uhh, how do you do an article on this without mentioning when the surgery was first done, who by, & on whom? RuPaul 16:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Other than people with sex genes other than XX XY, aren't you alway male or female? Even if you are born with genitalia inconsistent with your genes your genes will clearly definde your sex. I've read some articles on post operative ftm and mtf and they are referred to by their preferred sex. Having SRS doesn't actually change your sex, it only modifies your body to resemble the sex you desire. -- 146.115.73.181 09:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
In my site I have images from a sex reassignment surgery. I think the images are of great value especially for someone who has to undergo such an operation. If you think so too feel free to add it in the external links section
http://surgery-images.com/sex%20reassignment/male%20to%20female%20sex%20change.html Nfostiras 15:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The current section on results metnions that people who take the surgery cannot reproduce, but it doesn't say anything about how the genital nerves are affected and whether and how post-ops can enjoy sex. Some info? Redge( Talk) 16:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
That section does indeed have many problems. I have removed more of the unsourced claims from it. — James Cantor ( talk) 11:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Many people who have sex gender surgery claim that they are the same inside. eg a man who has the surgery to become a women is still a man inside etc... So if the man becomes a women and is then attracted to men doesnt that make that man gay? Becoming a women artificially qualifies you as being a women? Being born a man and liking men makes you gay (correct) ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.95.197 ( talk) 02:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
The word sic appears in square brackets, is this vandalism? Please see my other comments on the article 'Baptist Medical Center sex reassignment surgery controversy' article, where this same bracketed word appears. possibly the same editor. or perhaps this isn't vandalism at all and only an unknown reference. 94.113.2.4 ( talk) 17:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Should this article be titled "Sex reassignment surgery" or should it be titled "Gender reassignment surgery"? (Either way, the title we don't choose will redirect to the title we do.) -- Guy Macon ( talk) 15:52, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is no longer free of bias, as it's criticism section and clear references to sexual confusion disorder (I forgot the name, it's what I was trying to look up) have been removed without warrant to do so. This is in violation of Wikipedia ethics. You are not allowed to block alternative points of view, especially not ones scientifically proven! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.124.10.73 ( talk) 03:11, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
"Sex reassignment surgery (initialized as SRS; also known as gender reassignment surgery, genital reconstruction surgery, sex affirmation surgery, sex realignment surgery or sex-change operation) is a term for the surgical procedures by which a person's physical appearance and function of their existing sexual characteristics are altered to resemble that of the other sex."
When the article refers to 'that of the other sex' at the start, it presupposes that there are only two sexes. It also presupposes the idea that the penis and testicles are only for a man and the vagina, ovaries, clitoris etc. are only for a woman.
Intersexuals are not simply 'between' sexes, they constitute a range of at least 3 more sexes: http://frank.mtsu.edu/~phollowa/5sexes.html
Can someone please fix that bias?
I think most people would say that there are only two sexes. However that isn't really the point here, for sexual reassignment implies changing from one to another, i.e. male to female or vice versa. There is no room for an alternative.
What isn't made clear is that the process only changes - to a greater or lesser degree - the appearance of sexual identity. The change is superficial, as the new organs are non-functioning. A man will still be a man, even if his penis has been amputated, a hole has been created suggestive of a uterus, and he has breast implants.
The key words in the definition are "a person's physical appearance" are altered to resemble that of the other [sex]". The words "and function of their existing sexual characteristic" is only correct to the extent that the function of existing organs is ended.
Pardon me if this question has been addressed before or if it’s just too silly, but I was curious as to the semantics for the use of "reassignment" in this case. I understand that the evolution parts of the English language, at least in the United States has accelerated disproportionately in the last 40-years, much of it driven by social politics. I recall when this procedure was called a "sex change". Was "change" changed/reassigned to "reassignment" for any particular reason? Would acknowledging that sex is "assigned" in the first place also be an acknowledgement of a "Creator"? I ask half in jest, but I truly am curious.-- 69.118.159.140 19:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
That's a very interesting question. I think the term "sex reassignment" is used because babies are usually assigned to one sex at birth, by their doctors and/or parents, usually based on the appearance of their genitals. That said, I don't think acknowledgment of an assigned sex is an acknowledgement of a creator. A person's sex is "reassigned" when they go through transition, but most transsexual people consider there to be much more to sex and gender than the appearance of the external genitals. See the article on sex change for reasons why this term is often considered incorrect for referring to SRS. I think better terms for the genital surgery itself would be "genital correction surgery" or "genital reconstruction surgery." The term "sex reassignment" has been used since the 1950's, but "sex change" is the only term known by many people unfamiliar with transsexualism.
Andrea Parton 23:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The most politically and grammatically correct term to use is "genital reconstruction surgery" for bottom surgery, as the surgery a) does not change one's sex OR gender; b) turns the existing nerves and tissue on a person to something that resembles another, desired organ.
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When there is an existing Wikipedia article for someone and their sex then changes due to SRS, is there established protocol for how the article is altered? I'm guessing at least a name change needs to occur for the page title with a redirection from the old name. Feel free to point me elsewhere is this is not the appropriate place to ask this question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmckey ( talk • contribs) 07:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Why MtF more than FtM?-- 92.46.170.206 ( talk) 10:29, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
A complete discussion of any medical or surgical therapy should include at least a cursory overview of the effectiveness of that therapy in improving the condition being treated. Such a discussion should also discuss any side-effects and any other notable outcomes for the procedure. This article includes no such discussion whatsoever, and would be much improved by including current research on that topic,including rates of patient satisfaction after undergoing surgery, quality of life outcomes, and change in prevalence or severity of any other comorbidities, such as depression, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.138.19 ( talk) 08:52, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
This is an imperfect redirect target. Indeed, the topic of Urethraplasty is allied to, yet different from sex reassignment surgery. It is a general surgical technique, one performed, generally, by a specialist plastic surgeon. Please will a knowledgeable editor create an embryo Urethraplasty article? Fiddle Faddle 20:22, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
1) Dhejne, C., Lichtenstein, P., Boman, M., Johansson, A. L., Långström, N., & Landén, M. (2011). Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden. PloS one, 6(2), e16885.
2) Hunt, D. D., & Hampson, J. L. (1980). Follow-up of 17 biologic male transsexuals after sex-reassignment surgery. The American journal of psychiatry.
Psunbf ( talk) 00:53, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
De Cuypere, G., T'Sjoen, G., Beerten, R., Selvaggi, G., De Sutter, P., Hoebeke, P., et al. (2005). Sexual and physical health after sex reassignment surgery. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 34(6), 679-690. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10508-005-7926-5
Wierckx, K., Van Caenegem, E., Elaut, E., Dedecker, D., Van, d. P., Toye, K., et al. (2011). Quality of life and sexual health after sex reassignment surgery in transsexual men. Journal of Sexual Medicine, 8(12), 3379-3388. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02348.x
Olsson, S., & Möller, A. (2006). Regret after sex reassignment surgery in a male-to-female transsexual: A long-term follow-up. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 35(4), 501-6. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10508-006-9040-8
Masumori, N. (2012). Status of sex reassignment surgery for gender identity disorder in japan. International Journal of Urology : Official Journal of the Japanese Urological Association, 19(5), 402-414. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1442-2042.2012.02975.x
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 13:23, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
– The medical terminology has changed from "Sex Reassignment Surgery to Gender Confirmation Surgery [1] Travis H. O. ( talk) 14:59, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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I have also done some minor editing regarding grammar and sentence structure - Lupet123 ( talk) 11:42, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
It might be relevant to consider changing the title of this article to 'Gender confirmation surgery' and changing 'Sex reassignment surgery' to redirect to this page.
There are several reasons for this, but the chief of these is that gender confirmation surgery can be more accurately described to be a collection of surgeries related to gender dysphoria, and not specifically the changing of primary sex characteristics such as genitalia. This article should encompass these surgeries more broadly, with more specific descriptions either contained within or linked out to other pages as necessary.
Thoughts?
Wispinn ( talk) 04:14, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Overall, I think this article is a very interesting read, however I have a few comments to make:
1) In some paragraphs the sentences aren't always grammatically correct and having spelling mistakes, therefore it feels possibly a bit rushed in areas. (In terms of editing, I made some changes to grammar and spelling within the Physical & Psychological consequences, in an attempt to make them flow slightly better.)
2) The History section is really interesting, as it gives people a background context for the rest of the information, however it may be better if the history section was placed near the start so that the article was read in a kind of chronological order.
3) The 'At Birth' section is very short and lacking information. Therefore this would be a good area to expand on, and maybe even expand on what 'intersex' at birth means.
4) It may also be interesting to include a section about the other things that go on alongside sex reassignment surgery, such as the hormone therapy that is undergone by a lot of people who have sexual reassignment.
Belieber1995 ( talk) 20:04, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi, this is a really interesting section to read, this section has a great potential in providing lots of intriguing information. I have copyedited this for you as I have found some minor mistakes. Below are some points that you may consider:
1. This section could have more internal wiki pages or external websites to other pages for the terms such as the face feminization surgery, this will save people's time if they want to look up these terms. (I have linked some of the pages for you already.)
2. It may be clearer if you separate transmen and transwomen into two subtopics.
3. More detail (studies) and references could be added, it might be useful to add more references just to demonstrate a wider range of evidence and research to provide a better understanding for lay readers. For physical health, you only include self-perceived health ratings, other measures are needed.
4. Might be better to separate the paragraph into two subheadings : Physical Health and Sexual Health.
5. Last two sentences of the last paragraph could be moved to Sexual Satisfaction." Comparing transsexual and biological individuals of the same gender, trans women had a similar sexual satisfaction with biological women, while trans men had a lower level of sexual satisfaction with biological men. For the sex satisfaction differences between trans men and trans women, trans men had a lower satisfaction in their sexual life than that of trans women." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suellen Kong ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
( W62043 ( talk) 10:55, 4 May 2016 (UTC))
Overall a well-written piece, I focused primarily on the Physical and Psychological Consequences sections, of which were informative and concise.
This is a really interesting topic, I have made a few minor edits, but definitely enjoyed reading the article. I hope my suggestions are helpful! Rtillman04 ( talk) 14:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
( W62043 ( talk) 10:55, 4 May 2016 (UTC))
In this section, we read in one sentence that "very few of the patients have expressed regret", and in another, we read "Sex change regret is not rare." I am not an expert on this issue, but this section aught to be examined by someone who is. schetm ( talk) 20:00, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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