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I fear that a reader unfamiliar with this MUD may not walk away from reading this article understanding how this MUD can be differentiated from other MUDS. I have played this MUD quite some time ago, so I very possibly am biased.
-Long runnning game, contiguously : the article mentions that GS is one of the longest-running games around. I think a key element here is that more importantly, it's as well one of the longest running *contiguous* games. By this I mean that a new player could concievably bump into another player's character who the player has been playing for a decade. This element is a distinctive note, as far as I can tell, and is an impressive thing to consider when thinking about multiplayer games with a persistent world.
-Game world size / amount of content : due to the above, the game world has grown endlessly over the years both of a natural pace and as well to give these players who have been playing some characters for very long periods new content to play. So, again, this isnt a World of Warcraft scenario where you hit lvl 60, so to speak, and do something else. Here, the game world has grown constantly to accomodate very very high level people who have played for a long time. Maybe another way to put it is that you could play this game for 20 hours a week, and probably not run out of content for 7-10 years. This again is a fairly distinctive element, due to the longevity of the game.
-Player culture : this may in fact not be terribly distinctive to GS (I dont really know), but the fact that it is a 100 percent player-vs-player game, combined with the fact that I personally had never actually seen a player do so to another player, is quite intriguing. Simply, this game's player culture is quite strong as I percieve it - to such an extent that anyone can attack anyone at any time, and yet it does not even slightly turn into the choas one might expect. Im sure this as much comes from the games longevity, but whatever the cause, it is a fairly impressive element to the game. Dxco 01:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I've added significantly to the article, and though I'm no expert at Gemstone, I played it for many years off and on. I hope it incorporates some of the concerns you guys show above, particularly the uniqueness of the gaming culture and how it differs from later MMORPGs. 71.202.122.184Jordan Bowen
Cleaned up the sections and removed extraneous/redundant detail.
If there's a need to expand the article to include its "Inspiration," etc., as the previous editor indicated, please make the request in Talk rather than leave a blank section with an "Expand" indicator.
This article needs a fairly significant amount of rewriting, I'm sorry to say. I can't really point at the information and say "this is inaccurate," but nor does it really convey the tone of the game. As an example, the section on GMs being called "gods" isn't really accurate, and that whole section implies a much more frivolous GM attitude than there really is. On another note, there's information that isn't really useful -- for example, the section on Voln and CoL? I don't think that a non-Gemstone player would really find it all that useful.
So here's how I see it. First, this article needs some organization. Specifically, I'd like to see a "Technical Information" section, a "History" section, a "Current Status" section, and a long "Gameplay" section. The Gameplay section is the hardest of course -- what's useful to include, and what isn't? Technical, History, and Status are all quite relevent, but how much should be included in Gameplay for Wikipedia? Offhand, I suggest a few subsections: World, Character, Equipment, Combat and Magic, and Roleplay. I'm going to go ahead and put in a couple portions of History, and I'll through a bit of technical information for the moment. I'll keep working on this for the next couple days, but I'd really like to get most of it rewritten to be more "useful" of an entry. As for pictures, I'll inquire and see what can be used. A FE screenshot is almost certainly acceptable, but maybe something else can be thrown in. 71.198.23.171 10:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Concerning that citation needed tag. What kind of citation would you require here, I don't really see how it could be provided. As a note, I personally already fulfill the second statement (I started playing around 1996 (character Carandraug etc.) and still have an open account (among other characters Caranorn), I also know (personally) a dozen or more other players with as long or longer playing history. Concerning the GSII claim I'm not sure, but the only way to confirm this claim might be to ask Simu, alternatively I could ask a few ICEage players, the problem would then be whether that kind of citation would be valid. An alternative might be to ask a long term Simutronics GM (I believe not GSIII, but she should have better contacts to Simu then I do) whom I know to be a moderator here.
But the best might be to hear why that sentence is put in doubt.-- Caranorn 20:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
The character in question from GSII is "Gremlynn wolfsblood," and her status is well known in the game. This is one of those instances where a citation is very difficult, even if it's well known. For example, a simple google search on "gemstone ii gremlynn" will turn up several message board posts confirming her status, but those aren't appropriate citation locations. I suppose a GS player could thrown it up on their webpage for the sole purpose of providing a citation, but that seems to violate the spirit of the citation in the first place. 67.188.29.176 10:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Why is there a 'Articles for deletion' notice on the article page? I assume it's a mistake, or vandalism, since it seems to be an entirely different article that's up for deletion. However, in case there's something about the deletion process that I don't understand, I'm posting here first. Marieblasdell 22:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
As the added references talk about Gemstone and Gemstone III and not specifically about Gemstone IV, perhaps this page should represent the whole series? Marasmusine 12:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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I've sent a 3RR caution to the anon IP who seems insistent on writing his own soapbox POV into the article; we'll see, but given his (since deleted) incivility, that this isn't the first POV-driven edit war he's been in this month (see Time Trax) and that he's received vandalism warnings, I have a feeling this'll get to AIV. We can but hope. Ravenswing 16:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
It was one of the first MMORPGs and is one of the longest running online games still active.
The citation following this statement ( [1]) was in 2002. Has the game continued to be persistently active from 2002 to present? If so, a citation for that would be helpful. - kotra ( talk) 00:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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I fear that a reader unfamiliar with this MUD may not walk away from reading this article understanding how this MUD can be differentiated from other MUDS. I have played this MUD quite some time ago, so I very possibly am biased.
-Long runnning game, contiguously : the article mentions that GS is one of the longest-running games around. I think a key element here is that more importantly, it's as well one of the longest running *contiguous* games. By this I mean that a new player could concievably bump into another player's character who the player has been playing for a decade. This element is a distinctive note, as far as I can tell, and is an impressive thing to consider when thinking about multiplayer games with a persistent world.
-Game world size / amount of content : due to the above, the game world has grown endlessly over the years both of a natural pace and as well to give these players who have been playing some characters for very long periods new content to play. So, again, this isnt a World of Warcraft scenario where you hit lvl 60, so to speak, and do something else. Here, the game world has grown constantly to accomodate very very high level people who have played for a long time. Maybe another way to put it is that you could play this game for 20 hours a week, and probably not run out of content for 7-10 years. This again is a fairly distinctive element, due to the longevity of the game.
-Player culture : this may in fact not be terribly distinctive to GS (I dont really know), but the fact that it is a 100 percent player-vs-player game, combined with the fact that I personally had never actually seen a player do so to another player, is quite intriguing. Simply, this game's player culture is quite strong as I percieve it - to such an extent that anyone can attack anyone at any time, and yet it does not even slightly turn into the choas one might expect. Im sure this as much comes from the games longevity, but whatever the cause, it is a fairly impressive element to the game. Dxco 01:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I've added significantly to the article, and though I'm no expert at Gemstone, I played it for many years off and on. I hope it incorporates some of the concerns you guys show above, particularly the uniqueness of the gaming culture and how it differs from later MMORPGs. 71.202.122.184Jordan Bowen
Cleaned up the sections and removed extraneous/redundant detail.
If there's a need to expand the article to include its "Inspiration," etc., as the previous editor indicated, please make the request in Talk rather than leave a blank section with an "Expand" indicator.
This article needs a fairly significant amount of rewriting, I'm sorry to say. I can't really point at the information and say "this is inaccurate," but nor does it really convey the tone of the game. As an example, the section on GMs being called "gods" isn't really accurate, and that whole section implies a much more frivolous GM attitude than there really is. On another note, there's information that isn't really useful -- for example, the section on Voln and CoL? I don't think that a non-Gemstone player would really find it all that useful.
So here's how I see it. First, this article needs some organization. Specifically, I'd like to see a "Technical Information" section, a "History" section, a "Current Status" section, and a long "Gameplay" section. The Gameplay section is the hardest of course -- what's useful to include, and what isn't? Technical, History, and Status are all quite relevent, but how much should be included in Gameplay for Wikipedia? Offhand, I suggest a few subsections: World, Character, Equipment, Combat and Magic, and Roleplay. I'm going to go ahead and put in a couple portions of History, and I'll through a bit of technical information for the moment. I'll keep working on this for the next couple days, but I'd really like to get most of it rewritten to be more "useful" of an entry. As for pictures, I'll inquire and see what can be used. A FE screenshot is almost certainly acceptable, but maybe something else can be thrown in. 71.198.23.171 10:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Concerning that citation needed tag. What kind of citation would you require here, I don't really see how it could be provided. As a note, I personally already fulfill the second statement (I started playing around 1996 (character Carandraug etc.) and still have an open account (among other characters Caranorn), I also know (personally) a dozen or more other players with as long or longer playing history. Concerning the GSII claim I'm not sure, but the only way to confirm this claim might be to ask Simu, alternatively I could ask a few ICEage players, the problem would then be whether that kind of citation would be valid. An alternative might be to ask a long term Simutronics GM (I believe not GSIII, but she should have better contacts to Simu then I do) whom I know to be a moderator here.
But the best might be to hear why that sentence is put in doubt.-- Caranorn 20:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
The character in question from GSII is "Gremlynn wolfsblood," and her status is well known in the game. This is one of those instances where a citation is very difficult, even if it's well known. For example, a simple google search on "gemstone ii gremlynn" will turn up several message board posts confirming her status, but those aren't appropriate citation locations. I suppose a GS player could thrown it up on their webpage for the sole purpose of providing a citation, but that seems to violate the spirit of the citation in the first place. 67.188.29.176 10:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Why is there a 'Articles for deletion' notice on the article page? I assume it's a mistake, or vandalism, since it seems to be an entirely different article that's up for deletion. However, in case there's something about the deletion process that I don't understand, I'm posting here first. Marieblasdell 22:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
As the added references talk about Gemstone and Gemstone III and not specifically about Gemstone IV, perhaps this page should represent the whole series? Marasmusine 12:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Image:GemstoneIV Wizard Screnshot.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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I've sent a 3RR caution to the anon IP who seems insistent on writing his own soapbox POV into the article; we'll see, but given his (since deleted) incivility, that this isn't the first POV-driven edit war he's been in this month (see Time Trax) and that he's received vandalism warnings, I have a feeling this'll get to AIV. We can but hope. Ravenswing 16:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
It was one of the first MMORPGs and is one of the longest running online games still active.
The citation following this statement ( [1]) was in 2002. Has the game continued to be persistently active from 2002 to present? If so, a citation for that would be helpful. - kotra ( talk) 00:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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