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This catchphrase of the Nessa character has become the "Am I bovvered" of 2008. I ain't gonna lie to you, but the Sun article and the Facebook page with nearly 40,000 members at the time of writing are testament to this. Genuine! http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article1043963.ece http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=29440665568
Strangely, the show's catchphrase isn't even mentioned in the article! Gmackematix ( talk) 21:29, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Is that the royal "We" there or are you just presuming to speak for everybody? A catchphrase can exist elsewhere long before it becomes a catchphrase, for example, "Cowabunga" was in use among surfers long before it was popularised by the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The Welsh greeting "What's occurring?" has taken off around the UK since its appearance on BBC's "Gavin and Stacey" and the fact that over 40,000 people have joined a site (even if it is on Facebook) named after the catchphrase dedicated to the character who utters it is pretty conclusive. With regard to something being a TV catchphrase, I would have thought mention in a national paper would be a good enough source, but here's the BBC on the same subject. http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/southeastwales/hi/tv_and_radio/newsid_7843000/7843004.stm
If you think a TV comedy catchphrase has to appear in the OED first (!) then perhaps you would like to edit the article on TV's "The Fast Show", where every other character has a catchphrase such as "that's nice" and "Oh bugger" listed there. Gmackematix ( talk) 00:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi There. I can't find a reliable source that it's been commissioned for a second series... could anyone help me?
Thanks, Black_Mesa ( t | e | c) 11:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
It says "Gavin is 26 (Smithy refers to them meeting in infant school, at the age of 6, in 1983)" - this would mean that he'd have been born in 1977ish, which makes him 34 in 2007 when the first series was aired. Something's not right here! Fropome ( talk) 09:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
So Stacey's 26 and her mother's 40... I admit I haven't seen every episode, but has anybody said anything? Jahrsper 21:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I gather that one of the writers (both established actors who'd never written anything before) initialy came up with the idea of a TV film about "a wedding in which nothing happens", and the BBC asked them to expand it into a series involving their meeting. This should be covered in the article.-- MartinUK ( talk) 00:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
For the record, I thought the show was lousy, failing to connect as a serious/romantic drama and lacking real character development or jokes. The Shipman/West thing was unfunny and tasteless, while most of the backstory details (especially Stacey's multiple engagements) were neither believable nor funny. and Corden and Jones would have both been better off casting more-suitable actors for their roles. And surely Chasing Cars isn't the only love song ever written - how about something that hasn't been played so much to death? -- MartinUK ( talk) 00:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Article currently says this about Pam: "She is a dead ringer for Lorraine Juniper." Sorry if I'm missing something, but I've no idea who this is, and Google brings up nothing except a teacher at a school, so I think this line should go (or be expanded if its genuine). Probably a prank. Bw modular 11:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
"Doris spotted the unfortunate coincidence of the West and Shipman surnames ie Fred West/Rose West and Harold Shipman."
I missed this episode, but I don't understand what this sentence actually means. Can someone make it a bit clearer? -- Bw modular 11:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Do we know if it's a Jenkins (Nessa) or a Smith (Smithy) for definite? Welshleprechaun ( talk) 22:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
It says in the main article that Gary and Simon are never seen not even at the Wedding, however they arrive at Gavins house prior to the Stag event in Series 1 Episode 5 wearing T-Shirts saying Gary 'N' and 'N' Simon, however do not say anything. Does anyone object to me changing the main text? ( Ls61283 ( talk) 11:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC))
Currently there's a quite substantial section detailing what music is played where (which is borderline trivia), but the only content about the actual plot/content of the show is "The first series comprises six episodes, chronicled the two leads' developing romance and ended with their marriage" - should there not be some more about the actual plot of the series? Currently even the fairly fundamental issue of how a romance could develop between a girl in Wales and a bloke in Essex isn't actually addressed.... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Why was this removed? Ruth Jones announced it herself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.60.252 ( talk) 23:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Is there sufficient homosexuality in the show for this article to be LGBT categorised and tagged? Stacey's brother and uncle are both homosexual; the revealing of the uncle's orientation and the fishing trip incident with her brother is a major subplot. F W Nietzsche ( talk) 07:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Some of the character listings seem muddled- No man Jan was listed as seen and unseen. I don't remember seeing her, so I took her out that column.
Also some of them seem to have been written by someone who has watched about one episode. Such as Dick Powell "selling Sat Navs". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.228.98 ( talk) 16:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I know that the show is fictional and intended to make viewers laugh, but this article needs better info about Nessa. How old is she? (Ruth Jones, who plays her is in her early forties). She can't have had enough time to have had all the experiences she claims to have had. In addition, an obese chain smoker would not have had half the opportunities to do the things she claims to have done (unless she only became fat recently). Despite that, her profile in the main characters section states her claims (at least the one about being in All Saints) as true. Is she really meant to have done all the things she claims, or is she meant to be a fantasist / compulsive liar? In addition, if she really is, as she claims, so worldly wise, how can she be unaware of Dodi al-Fayed's death? (She claimed to have been in a sexual relationship with him, but he suddenly stopped seeing her, and she doesn't have a clue why). For someone with a menial, unskilled, low-paid job who lives in a downmarket area to be over-proud and boastful and claim so many contacts and liaisons with the rich and famous is ludicrous. There have not been any characters in the show who have ever backed, discredited, or even questioned any of her claims. Everyone seems to blindly believe the impossible contradictions between what she claims and what the life of someone like her would actually be like. That serves to make her unlikeable, which I don't think was the intention of the people who made the show (Jones is co-writer). I believe that the intention of the makers was that the audience would like all the main characters, but to create a character who is a loser, yet constantly makes false boastful claims in order to boost her ego and attempt to make people think she is wonderful when she clearly isn't, has somewhat dented their aim. Surely it is well-known that people who continually falsely claim to be brilliant and fantastically successful are strongly disliked, so why would such a character be created? Nietzsche 2 ( talk) 01:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Wow! How can you ever hope to enjoy any comedy if you put that much thought into analysing character traits? 90.249.200.87 ( talk) 16:44, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
I think the music section should be cut down a lot, I can see why the theme tune should be mentioned, I can see why the libertines song should be mentioned as it's on pretty much every episode during the catch-up, but theres no need to note every song thats ever been played on the show. If bryn was singing along to a song once in the car, theres still no need to mention this in the article. It might be good to mention how the show does use a lot of very pop-culture songs however, and IMHO I think thats part of the charm (I was in a cab the other day and the '3 wise men' song came on the radio - I was so close to laughing out loud as I remembered gwens rant about the song) Coolug ( talk) 20:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. There's very little justification, if any, provided for having these characters listed, since they do not appear and are only referred to by other characters. If good policy reasons can be advanced for including them, fine. Otherwise, they should go as not worth mentioning. Comments? -- Rodhull andemu 00:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Unseen characters are often used and if they are recurring parts of the narrative then they can be just as important as seen characters. Big fat Sue for example is arguably as important as Nile's unseen wife in Frasier or Howard's mother in Big Bang Theory. 90.249.200.87 ( talk) 16:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
On Wikipedia it says Pam's maiden name is Wiggell-Eschefska, but if you watch the dvd with subtitles it's spelt Griggell-Eschefska. Patyo1994 ( talk) 14:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere that the main characters share surnames with infamous British serial killers? It was mentioned in the show once. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.246.135.176 ( talk) 17:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
I removed a paragraph from the series Three discussion as someone had inserted a few spoilers into the section, which is mainly on the genesis of series Three, without having flagged them. I also do not feel it is appropriate to have details of the end of series Three on the main page when these epdisodes have not even aired yet, so thanks for spoiling the series for me, whoever put them up in the first place. 212.183.140.34 ( talk) 09:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a list of songs heard throughout the series? Just seems like trivia to me. Welshleprechaun ( talk) 19:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
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This catchphrase of the Nessa character has become the "Am I bovvered" of 2008. I ain't gonna lie to you, but the Sun article and the Facebook page with nearly 40,000 members at the time of writing are testament to this. Genuine! http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article1043963.ece http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=29440665568
Strangely, the show's catchphrase isn't even mentioned in the article! Gmackematix ( talk) 21:29, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Is that the royal "We" there or are you just presuming to speak for everybody? A catchphrase can exist elsewhere long before it becomes a catchphrase, for example, "Cowabunga" was in use among surfers long before it was popularised by the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The Welsh greeting "What's occurring?" has taken off around the UK since its appearance on BBC's "Gavin and Stacey" and the fact that over 40,000 people have joined a site (even if it is on Facebook) named after the catchphrase dedicated to the character who utters it is pretty conclusive. With regard to something being a TV catchphrase, I would have thought mention in a national paper would be a good enough source, but here's the BBC on the same subject. http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/southeastwales/hi/tv_and_radio/newsid_7843000/7843004.stm
If you think a TV comedy catchphrase has to appear in the OED first (!) then perhaps you would like to edit the article on TV's "The Fast Show", where every other character has a catchphrase such as "that's nice" and "Oh bugger" listed there. Gmackematix ( talk) 00:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi There. I can't find a reliable source that it's been commissioned for a second series... could anyone help me?
Thanks, Black_Mesa ( t | e | c) 11:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
It says "Gavin is 26 (Smithy refers to them meeting in infant school, at the age of 6, in 1983)" - this would mean that he'd have been born in 1977ish, which makes him 34 in 2007 when the first series was aired. Something's not right here! Fropome ( talk) 09:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
So Stacey's 26 and her mother's 40... I admit I haven't seen every episode, but has anybody said anything? Jahrsper 21:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I gather that one of the writers (both established actors who'd never written anything before) initialy came up with the idea of a TV film about "a wedding in which nothing happens", and the BBC asked them to expand it into a series involving their meeting. This should be covered in the article.-- MartinUK ( talk) 00:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
For the record, I thought the show was lousy, failing to connect as a serious/romantic drama and lacking real character development or jokes. The Shipman/West thing was unfunny and tasteless, while most of the backstory details (especially Stacey's multiple engagements) were neither believable nor funny. and Corden and Jones would have both been better off casting more-suitable actors for their roles. And surely Chasing Cars isn't the only love song ever written - how about something that hasn't been played so much to death? -- MartinUK ( talk) 00:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Article currently says this about Pam: "She is a dead ringer for Lorraine Juniper." Sorry if I'm missing something, but I've no idea who this is, and Google brings up nothing except a teacher at a school, so I think this line should go (or be expanded if its genuine). Probably a prank. Bw modular 11:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
"Doris spotted the unfortunate coincidence of the West and Shipman surnames ie Fred West/Rose West and Harold Shipman."
I missed this episode, but I don't understand what this sentence actually means. Can someone make it a bit clearer? -- Bw modular 11:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Do we know if it's a Jenkins (Nessa) or a Smith (Smithy) for definite? Welshleprechaun ( talk) 22:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
It says in the main article that Gary and Simon are never seen not even at the Wedding, however they arrive at Gavins house prior to the Stag event in Series 1 Episode 5 wearing T-Shirts saying Gary 'N' and 'N' Simon, however do not say anything. Does anyone object to me changing the main text? ( Ls61283 ( talk) 11:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC))
Currently there's a quite substantial section detailing what music is played where (which is borderline trivia), but the only content about the actual plot/content of the show is "The first series comprises six episodes, chronicled the two leads' developing romance and ended with their marriage" - should there not be some more about the actual plot of the series? Currently even the fairly fundamental issue of how a romance could develop between a girl in Wales and a bloke in Essex isn't actually addressed.... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Why was this removed? Ruth Jones announced it herself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.60.252 ( talk) 23:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Is there sufficient homosexuality in the show for this article to be LGBT categorised and tagged? Stacey's brother and uncle are both homosexual; the revealing of the uncle's orientation and the fishing trip incident with her brother is a major subplot. F W Nietzsche ( talk) 07:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Some of the character listings seem muddled- No man Jan was listed as seen and unseen. I don't remember seeing her, so I took her out that column.
Also some of them seem to have been written by someone who has watched about one episode. Such as Dick Powell "selling Sat Navs". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.228.98 ( talk) 16:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I know that the show is fictional and intended to make viewers laugh, but this article needs better info about Nessa. How old is she? (Ruth Jones, who plays her is in her early forties). She can't have had enough time to have had all the experiences she claims to have had. In addition, an obese chain smoker would not have had half the opportunities to do the things she claims to have done (unless she only became fat recently). Despite that, her profile in the main characters section states her claims (at least the one about being in All Saints) as true. Is she really meant to have done all the things she claims, or is she meant to be a fantasist / compulsive liar? In addition, if she really is, as she claims, so worldly wise, how can she be unaware of Dodi al-Fayed's death? (She claimed to have been in a sexual relationship with him, but he suddenly stopped seeing her, and she doesn't have a clue why). For someone with a menial, unskilled, low-paid job who lives in a downmarket area to be over-proud and boastful and claim so many contacts and liaisons with the rich and famous is ludicrous. There have not been any characters in the show who have ever backed, discredited, or even questioned any of her claims. Everyone seems to blindly believe the impossible contradictions between what she claims and what the life of someone like her would actually be like. That serves to make her unlikeable, which I don't think was the intention of the people who made the show (Jones is co-writer). I believe that the intention of the makers was that the audience would like all the main characters, but to create a character who is a loser, yet constantly makes false boastful claims in order to boost her ego and attempt to make people think she is wonderful when she clearly isn't, has somewhat dented their aim. Surely it is well-known that people who continually falsely claim to be brilliant and fantastically successful are strongly disliked, so why would such a character be created? Nietzsche 2 ( talk) 01:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Wow! How can you ever hope to enjoy any comedy if you put that much thought into analysing character traits? 90.249.200.87 ( talk) 16:44, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
I think the music section should be cut down a lot, I can see why the theme tune should be mentioned, I can see why the libertines song should be mentioned as it's on pretty much every episode during the catch-up, but theres no need to note every song thats ever been played on the show. If bryn was singing along to a song once in the car, theres still no need to mention this in the article. It might be good to mention how the show does use a lot of very pop-culture songs however, and IMHO I think thats part of the charm (I was in a cab the other day and the '3 wise men' song came on the radio - I was so close to laughing out loud as I remembered gwens rant about the song) Coolug ( talk) 20:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. There's very little justification, if any, provided for having these characters listed, since they do not appear and are only referred to by other characters. If good policy reasons can be advanced for including them, fine. Otherwise, they should go as not worth mentioning. Comments? -- Rodhull andemu 00:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Unseen characters are often used and if they are recurring parts of the narrative then they can be just as important as seen characters. Big fat Sue for example is arguably as important as Nile's unseen wife in Frasier or Howard's mother in Big Bang Theory. 90.249.200.87 ( talk) 16:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
On Wikipedia it says Pam's maiden name is Wiggell-Eschefska, but if you watch the dvd with subtitles it's spelt Griggell-Eschefska. Patyo1994 ( talk) 14:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere that the main characters share surnames with infamous British serial killers? It was mentioned in the show once. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.246.135.176 ( talk) 17:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
I removed a paragraph from the series Three discussion as someone had inserted a few spoilers into the section, which is mainly on the genesis of series Three, without having flagged them. I also do not feel it is appropriate to have details of the end of series Three on the main page when these epdisodes have not even aired yet, so thanks for spoiling the series for me, whoever put them up in the first place. 212.183.140.34 ( talk) 09:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a list of songs heard throughout the series? Just seems like trivia to me. Welshleprechaun ( talk) 19:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
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