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Is the DYK above accurate? I hear on the news that Governor Christie has halted all the new Hudson River tunnel construction projects. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 18:31, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
"While Amtrak had acknowledged that the region represented a bottleneck in the national system, its timetable for beginning the project was advanced in part due to the cancellation in 2010 of Access to the Region's Core, a project similar in scope, but with significant differences in design." "Significant" here is redundant; if the changes were not significant, we would not be mentioning them. PRRfan ( talk) 21:53, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't want to get into an edit war here, but the first sentence should stand on its own. As currently written, it suggests that the project is a done deal, to be completed in 2020. That's far from true. Also I think it is important to mention in the introduction that Amtrak trains will be able to use the new tunnel. That is a major difference between this proposal and the canceled ARC project. Also the current wording about Seacacus is misleading. As far as I know the proposal does not change how NJT uses that station. That is a difference from ARC, but not from the status quo. Maybe the Seacacus situation should be discussed in a new section comparing Gateway to ARC. -- agr ( talk) 15:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
As one who had no initial knowledge I found this article ( this was the version) very confusing. The map in the lead seems implies that the scope of the project is much wider than it actually is. There is then no clear description of the project scope and the required elements of work. The background section is probably too detailed, or at least should come after the main description of works. And then the 'Existing and new infrastructure' section left me puzzling about what was relevant in it and what wasn't and it was only when I read the main Amtrak pdf that I understood what was proposed. I will have a go at creating a better summary at the start. Is there any reason not to include the map from page 4 of the main pdf source rather than the image currently used in the lead? PeterEastern ( talk) 22:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Djflem. The way I see it, if you say a project needs a certain amount of funding, you are implying that without it, the project dies. If the case is not that stark, you'd choose a different word. In this case, what Schumer is saying, most precisely, is that if the project does not get the money, the risks of cancellation rise. So I'd suggest tweaking your last edit ("In September 2012, Schumer estimated that the project would need $20 million in 2013 and $100 million in 2014 to stop it from dying.") to say instead "In September 2012, Schumer estimated that the project would need $20 million in 2013 and $100 million in 2014, lest progress flag and the risks of cancellation rise." PRRfan ( talk) 01:57, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Verbose, but fine. Djflem ( talk) 05:54, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Basically he was trying to pump a little life into the project by drawing attention to it. It's worthwhile to explain why he would have made such a statement and included his estimation, so the first suggestion is better since it mentions the reason to bother keeping it the article at all. Djflem ( talk) 22:36, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Article currently sais "the project would add 25 train slots during peak periods" - can someone clarify on that, please: Does it mean "25 extra train slots per hour"? Then that extra capacity would be available 24 hours a day, even if used only at peak periods. Or does it mean 25 train slots for the whole peak periods (morning and afternoon combined? What if the morning peak period is shorter than the afternoon peak period?) Meerwind7 ( talk) 11:54, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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The presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article.As long as the material is cited in the body and not controversial, the lead doesn't necessarily need citations. In this case, all the references are in the body. This is so the lead would not be cluttered with references. epicgenius ( talk) 14:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
This thing could really use a better map Theblindsage ( talk) 19:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
1) I came to this article hoping to learn if the new tunnel(s) would have modern height-clearance (which would allow bi-level passenger cars). I found one encouraging mention of an overpass being raised to 19', but I can't find tunnel height / clearance mentioned anywhere. Nor can Google find these dimensions (only a "Fourth Plan" proposal back in 2017). Does anyone know what's actually going to be built? If so, please add, and if higher, mention that the new ceiling allows Superliner cars :) -- Thanks Jeffryfisher ( talk) 21:34, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
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Is the DYK above accurate? I hear on the news that Governor Christie has halted all the new Hudson River tunnel construction projects. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 18:31, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
"While Amtrak had acknowledged that the region represented a bottleneck in the national system, its timetable for beginning the project was advanced in part due to the cancellation in 2010 of Access to the Region's Core, a project similar in scope, but with significant differences in design." "Significant" here is redundant; if the changes were not significant, we would not be mentioning them. PRRfan ( talk) 21:53, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't want to get into an edit war here, but the first sentence should stand on its own. As currently written, it suggests that the project is a done deal, to be completed in 2020. That's far from true. Also I think it is important to mention in the introduction that Amtrak trains will be able to use the new tunnel. That is a major difference between this proposal and the canceled ARC project. Also the current wording about Seacacus is misleading. As far as I know the proposal does not change how NJT uses that station. That is a difference from ARC, but not from the status quo. Maybe the Seacacus situation should be discussed in a new section comparing Gateway to ARC. -- agr ( talk) 15:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
As one who had no initial knowledge I found this article ( this was the version) very confusing. The map in the lead seems implies that the scope of the project is much wider than it actually is. There is then no clear description of the project scope and the required elements of work. The background section is probably too detailed, or at least should come after the main description of works. And then the 'Existing and new infrastructure' section left me puzzling about what was relevant in it and what wasn't and it was only when I read the main Amtrak pdf that I understood what was proposed. I will have a go at creating a better summary at the start. Is there any reason not to include the map from page 4 of the main pdf source rather than the image currently used in the lead? PeterEastern ( talk) 22:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Djflem. The way I see it, if you say a project needs a certain amount of funding, you are implying that without it, the project dies. If the case is not that stark, you'd choose a different word. In this case, what Schumer is saying, most precisely, is that if the project does not get the money, the risks of cancellation rise. So I'd suggest tweaking your last edit ("In September 2012, Schumer estimated that the project would need $20 million in 2013 and $100 million in 2014 to stop it from dying.") to say instead "In September 2012, Schumer estimated that the project would need $20 million in 2013 and $100 million in 2014, lest progress flag and the risks of cancellation rise." PRRfan ( talk) 01:57, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Verbose, but fine. Djflem ( talk) 05:54, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Basically he was trying to pump a little life into the project by drawing attention to it. It's worthwhile to explain why he would have made such a statement and included his estimation, so the first suggestion is better since it mentions the reason to bother keeping it the article at all. Djflem ( talk) 22:36, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Article currently sais "the project would add 25 train slots during peak periods" - can someone clarify on that, please: Does it mean "25 extra train slots per hour"? Then that extra capacity would be available 24 hours a day, even if used only at peak periods. Or does it mean 25 train slots for the whole peak periods (morning and afternoon combined? What if the morning peak period is shorter than the afternoon peak period?) Meerwind7 ( talk) 11:54, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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This thing could really use a better map Theblindsage ( talk) 19:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
1) I came to this article hoping to learn if the new tunnel(s) would have modern height-clearance (which would allow bi-level passenger cars). I found one encouraging mention of an overpass being raised to 19', but I can't find tunnel height / clearance mentioned anywhere. Nor can Google find these dimensions (only a "Fourth Plan" proposal back in 2017). Does anyone know what's actually going to be built? If so, please add, and if higher, mention that the new ceiling allows Superliner cars :) -- Thanks Jeffryfisher ( talk) 21:34, 15 November 2023 (UTC)