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There were four studies on blood pressure, their conclusions were:
There were two meta-analyses on lipids, one found a clinically relevant effect:
One found no effect:
The previous text said simply that the results of the studies were contradictory, which is not really the case, especially when considering only the blood pressure meta-analyses. I've therefore modified the text to more accurately reflect the citation conclusions, and mentioned blood pressure separately from lipids. Merlinme ( talk) 17:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok, my change has been reverted. Would anybody care to make the case for the text: "but as of 2015, the results were contradictory and it was not known if there are any effects", based on the study conclusions I've given above? Merlinme ( talk) 17:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
The effect of eating garlic on blood pressure is barely worth mentioning, 4 mmHg. I rewrote the sentence, but this is marginally encyclopedic ( WP:UNDUE), even with the reviews supporting the statement.-- Zefr ( talk) 16:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Is this plant a biennial, cultivated by humans as an annual? The encyclopedia article should definately contain such info. Many thanks, Matthew Ferguson ( talk) 06:15, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
A. sativum is a perennial bulb, [2] [1] but it is usually cultivated as an annual. [3] If the bulbs are not harvested, new plants grow again in the next growing season, however plants become overcrowded and buld size dimishes over time. [1] Some describe the plant as a "replant perennial", [1] because new genetically identical plants can be reliably propagated vegetatively, by planting a clove each year, and acquiring new stock is unnecessary. |
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the Adverse effects and toxicology section mentions milk to reduce bad breath if consumed mixed with the garlic.
perhaps the article could mention that mixing garlic with honey reduces or eliminates the hotness of its flavor when consumed together. one more reason for including a mention of honey and garlic combined as there are some "folk medicine" style mixtures (a jar of honey filled with bulbs of onion) available in the market.
at least i think, i have seen that some years ago. i got no sources for this, its just that it might be a point worth to look after. 89.134.199.32 ( talk) 20:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC).
Garlic is distasteful to some creatures but do any apart from humans eat it? — O'Dea ( talk) 20:22, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
The leaves of garlic and the other leeks are identical except for size, and they don't look as much like spears as the leaves of gladiolus do -- which isn't much.
However, all I have to back up this assertion is the plants themselves, which is about as primary as research can get.
71.222.189.233 ( talk) 00:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
The author was properly not cited, for a start - allergy researcher Dr Harry Steinman, which can be found on the website’s “CEO & Editor” page when the website was active in the early 2000s.
The information cited on the Wikipedia page is unsourced background information from a non-expert. Fluff, to accompany a list of allergy research publications, that stopped updating a couple of decades ago. The stated purpose was to collate medical articles, not about the biology or chemical properties of plants.
All of the claims cited to AllAllergy should either be removed or backed up by a reliable source. 2A02:C7E:193C:6E00:4D1B:C1FF:C3BB:3DF2 ( talk) 21:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
There's a string of studies and editors discrediting the medical use of garlic and this it's immediately obvious to even a causal reader.
Are we really expected to believe that something used for thousands of years doesn't have a single medicinal use?
Does Wikipedia not credit s single traditional source as a reliable one? I've got no idea what garlic is good for- but I'm quiet sure Wikipedia has been bought out by big pharma. 1.152.108.196 ( talk) 13:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
This source is clearly full of misinformation and is not usable.
Examples from the abstract: "incredible plant is endowed with various pharmacological attributes" (not incredible and attributes are only from primary research); "consumption of garlic provides strong protection against cancer risk" (false - there is no MEDRS evidence for such a statement); "contains several bioactive molecules with anticancer actions" (only in vitro, and disputable).
Removing the source and its content from the section. Zefr ( talk) 16:55, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Read (7) Lee H, Heo JW, Kim AR, Kweon M, Nam S, Lim JS, Sung MK, Kim SE, Ryu JH, “Z-ajoene from Crushed Garlic Alleviates Cancer-Induced Skeletal Muscle Atrophy”, Nutrients 2019 Nov 10, 11(11), doi: 10.3390/nu11112724 (8) Kaschula CH, Tuveri R, Ngarande E, Dzobo K, Barnett C, Kusza DA, Graham LM, Katz AA, Rafudeen MS, Parker MI, Hunter R, Schäfer G, “The garlic compount ajoene covalently binds vimentin, disrupts the vimentin network and exerts anti-metastatic activity in cancer cells”, BMC Cancer, 2019 Mar 20, 19(1):248, doi: 10.1186/s12885-019-5388-8 (9) Agbana YL, Ni Y, Zhou M, Zhang Q, Kassegne K, Karou SD, Kuang Y, Zhu Y, “Garlic-derived bioactive compound S-allylcysteine inhibits cancer progression through diverse molecular mechanisms”, Nutr Res 2019 Nov 18; 73:1-14, doi: 10.1016/j.nutres.2019.11.002 (10) Aly SM, Fetaih HA, Hassanin AAI, Abumughaid MM, Ismail AA, “Protective Effects of Garlic and Cinnamon Oils on Hepatocellular Carcinoma in Albino Rats”, Anal Cell Pathol, 2019 Oct 22 doi: 10.1155/2019/9895485
Explains why garlic is used against "vampires" (read Pirot, F. (2021). Physics of Moses’ Exodus, of vampire myths, of family structures, of modern ideologies, and of the celiac disease. European Journal of Applied Sciences, 9(1), 162–173. https://doi.org/10.14738/aivp.91.9455 ) 2A01:CB1D:89:B500:9358:E779:E5A3:4DE0 ( talk) 07:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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There were four studies on blood pressure, their conclusions were:
There were two meta-analyses on lipids, one found a clinically relevant effect:
One found no effect:
The previous text said simply that the results of the studies were contradictory, which is not really the case, especially when considering only the blood pressure meta-analyses. I've therefore modified the text to more accurately reflect the citation conclusions, and mentioned blood pressure separately from lipids. Merlinme ( talk) 17:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok, my change has been reverted. Would anybody care to make the case for the text: "but as of 2015, the results were contradictory and it was not known if there are any effects", based on the study conclusions I've given above? Merlinme ( talk) 17:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
The effect of eating garlic on blood pressure is barely worth mentioning, 4 mmHg. I rewrote the sentence, but this is marginally encyclopedic ( WP:UNDUE), even with the reviews supporting the statement.-- Zefr ( talk) 16:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Is this plant a biennial, cultivated by humans as an annual? The encyclopedia article should definately contain such info. Many thanks, Matthew Ferguson ( talk) 06:15, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
A. sativum is a perennial bulb, [2] [1] but it is usually cultivated as an annual. [3] If the bulbs are not harvested, new plants grow again in the next growing season, however plants become overcrowded and buld size dimishes over time. [1] Some describe the plant as a "replant perennial", [1] because new genetically identical plants can be reliably propagated vegetatively, by planting a clove each year, and acquiring new stock is unnecessary. |
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the Adverse effects and toxicology section mentions milk to reduce bad breath if consumed mixed with the garlic.
perhaps the article could mention that mixing garlic with honey reduces or eliminates the hotness of its flavor when consumed together. one more reason for including a mention of honey and garlic combined as there are some "folk medicine" style mixtures (a jar of honey filled with bulbs of onion) available in the market.
at least i think, i have seen that some years ago. i got no sources for this, its just that it might be a point worth to look after. 89.134.199.32 ( talk) 20:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC).
Garlic is distasteful to some creatures but do any apart from humans eat it? — O'Dea ( talk) 20:22, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
The leaves of garlic and the other leeks are identical except for size, and they don't look as much like spears as the leaves of gladiolus do -- which isn't much.
However, all I have to back up this assertion is the plants themselves, which is about as primary as research can get.
71.222.189.233 ( talk) 00:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
The author was properly not cited, for a start - allergy researcher Dr Harry Steinman, which can be found on the website’s “CEO & Editor” page when the website was active in the early 2000s.
The information cited on the Wikipedia page is unsourced background information from a non-expert. Fluff, to accompany a list of allergy research publications, that stopped updating a couple of decades ago. The stated purpose was to collate medical articles, not about the biology or chemical properties of plants.
All of the claims cited to AllAllergy should either be removed or backed up by a reliable source. 2A02:C7E:193C:6E00:4D1B:C1FF:C3BB:3DF2 ( talk) 21:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
There's a string of studies and editors discrediting the medical use of garlic and this it's immediately obvious to even a causal reader.
Are we really expected to believe that something used for thousands of years doesn't have a single medicinal use?
Does Wikipedia not credit s single traditional source as a reliable one? I've got no idea what garlic is good for- but I'm quiet sure Wikipedia has been bought out by big pharma. 1.152.108.196 ( talk) 13:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
This source is clearly full of misinformation and is not usable.
Examples from the abstract: "incredible plant is endowed with various pharmacological attributes" (not incredible and attributes are only from primary research); "consumption of garlic provides strong protection against cancer risk" (false - there is no MEDRS evidence for such a statement); "contains several bioactive molecules with anticancer actions" (only in vitro, and disputable).
Removing the source and its content from the section. Zefr ( talk) 16:55, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Read (7) Lee H, Heo JW, Kim AR, Kweon M, Nam S, Lim JS, Sung MK, Kim SE, Ryu JH, “Z-ajoene from Crushed Garlic Alleviates Cancer-Induced Skeletal Muscle Atrophy”, Nutrients 2019 Nov 10, 11(11), doi: 10.3390/nu11112724 (8) Kaschula CH, Tuveri R, Ngarande E, Dzobo K, Barnett C, Kusza DA, Graham LM, Katz AA, Rafudeen MS, Parker MI, Hunter R, Schäfer G, “The garlic compount ajoene covalently binds vimentin, disrupts the vimentin network and exerts anti-metastatic activity in cancer cells”, BMC Cancer, 2019 Mar 20, 19(1):248, doi: 10.1186/s12885-019-5388-8 (9) Agbana YL, Ni Y, Zhou M, Zhang Q, Kassegne K, Karou SD, Kuang Y, Zhu Y, “Garlic-derived bioactive compound S-allylcysteine inhibits cancer progression through diverse molecular mechanisms”, Nutr Res 2019 Nov 18; 73:1-14, doi: 10.1016/j.nutres.2019.11.002 (10) Aly SM, Fetaih HA, Hassanin AAI, Abumughaid MM, Ismail AA, “Protective Effects of Garlic and Cinnamon Oils on Hepatocellular Carcinoma in Albino Rats”, Anal Cell Pathol, 2019 Oct 22 doi: 10.1155/2019/9895485
Explains why garlic is used against "vampires" (read Pirot, F. (2021). Physics of Moses’ Exodus, of vampire myths, of family structures, of modern ideologies, and of the celiac disease. European Journal of Applied Sciences, 9(1), 162–173. https://doi.org/10.14738/aivp.91.9455 ) 2A01:CB1D:89:B500:9358:E779:E5A3:4DE0 ( talk) 07:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
The redirect
Skorodon has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 8 § Skorodon until a consensus is reached.
cogsan
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(stalk me)
16:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)