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There are a number of links in the "External links" section which lead to various pages on the same sites, specifically, www.s8.org/gargoyles and www.gargoyles-fans.org. I'm not familiar enough with the sites in question to determine if all of those links are noteworthy enough to have linked here, though I think some pruning may be in order. Boxclocke - "!" 09:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Someone else can add this since mine would inevitably get deleted by some of you obsessive wiki-ers. Watch it free on Disney's site: http://video.disney.com/shows/gargoyles-4ba34a5545c1259e961b9666 — Preceding unsigned comment added by IraJacobs ( talk • contribs) 17:28, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
I posted this in Broadway's page in response to the merging question.
I believe these characters have more than enough material and personality individually to warrent making them their own pages...connected to the main page ofcourse.
Judging by this series' immense popularity that has stood the test of time...as well as the fact these characters go through quite a bit of character development, Much more than your average western animation character...I think if someone is willing to help me we should make profiles for the more prolific characters of this series and maybe one page to minor or one shot characters. Pictures, table of contents to connect all the pages together...the whole deal.
The page is already full of content..but by giving the major characters pages and organizing the more minor characters onto single pages..perhaps we can slowly get rid of some of these red links and maybe organize the page a little better.
I'll slowly start putting together some pages...uploading some pictures and accuratly um.."Remembering" the information about each character..but if someone is willing to help me out please say so on any of these discussion tables.
Also..there's a lot of mythology, artifacts, and more intricate plot details that could also possibly get a listing on their own sub page as well. There's a lot that can be done with this show in particular.
Gargoyles has an enormous following, and is a wonderfully crafted show that I think deserves a great multi layered entry on Wikipedia.
Agreed, the main page lacks the punch and intrigue that makes the show interesting. In depth plot, character, and thematic pages need to be put in for newcomers to the series and veterans. I'm fairly new to Wiki, but I'd be interested in helping put together these pages. Contact me if you have similar interest: -- Jaws_Victim
Can anyone provide a reference to where it was stated that the new comic will have its "first issue released in December 2005 or January 2006"? I know the AskGreg site mentions the possibility of this happening, but I haven't run across anything this definite. -- Matthew0028 10:05, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
The unusual romantic subtext between Goliath (a gargoyle) and Elisa (a human) was fodder for quite a bit of discussion on the Internet, particularly about its appropriateness.
You can't compare a woman kissing a gargoyle to having an interracial kiss on the original series of Star Trek (although you should define if it was Nichelle Nichols kissing someone, or someone kissing an alien). The particular (human) races of the people involved on Star Trek are their real races and at the time it wasn't that many years after the riots for segregation. If gargoyles were real, then I think there'd be a case... but they're not. Kingpin1055 23:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Gargoyles is about to move from being primarily an animated series to a mixed-media franchise. Given that, I think it'd be more appropriate to give this article a title that didn't refer to a specific medium, but rather to the franchise as a whole. That having been said, I would hate an article title that read "Gargoyles (Disney franchise)". Would it be completely inappropriate to take over the page "Gargoyles" (which currently redirects to "Gargoyle" and use the name? skeeJay 17:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Using the page "Gargoyles" is probably unwise, though it would solve a lot of problems as you've mentioned. I would say "Gargoyles (Disney franchise)" is a bit long for an article title. Maybe "Gargoyles (Disney)" would be simpler? When the comic is released, it would be possible to create a new article for it, i.e. "Gargoyles (comic)". The two articles would be linked quite heavily, and that may not be preferable, but it is one possible solution. -- Supermorff 15:34, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
The fact that one person from Gargoyles was involved in an episode of Buzz Lightyear means very little. Copies, clones, and offspring having reversed names is actually fairly common in fiction, and tiny robotic insects are not really anything to write home about. I removed the Buzz Lightyear reference, I think it's grasping at straws. Master Deusoma 12:33, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Futurama and Freakazoid? Don't suppose you could give us a description... or a screengrab? Kingpin1055 17:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree on the connection being a bit tenuous. Many cartoon series' use the cloning storyline, and reversing the name is by no means exclusive to Gargoyles, nor is using small robots to harvest DNA. The same was done, for example, in the anime DragonballZ, just off the top of my head. I haven't seen the episode, so can't claim anything for certain, but there doesn't seem to be enough there to warrant this. Prophaniti 23:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I notice you guys have been commenting negatively on my contributions. I don't see other people getting citation notice when they neglect to name their source. Is because my info is hard to believe or that because I'm a newbie? If so, you guys need to cut your almighty attitudes or you might alienate others off this page. [71.115.225.100/71.115.212.229] (for some reason this computer changesd my number) 8:57 PM, 19 June 2006
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How tall is Goliath? What is his height?
How tall do you estimate him? Goliath looks 6'5" or 6'6" to me because Balrog from Street Fighter seems as tall as Goliath to me and Balrog is 198cm tall.
I believe there are stats on the trading cards. I'm too lazy to check mine out. --ClintJCL 68.167.161.178 00:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Should the VHS releases of the first season be mentioned as well? 156.34.219.61 16:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Consider it mentioned. 71.115.242.120 06:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm an old fan. I mean that in a lot of ways. Let me put it this way, the Avalon storyline was unfolding while I student taught my class of fourth graders who called me "Mr. Xanatos" because of my goatee and habit of wearing black suits. I'm sure most of you are better versed in the world of fan fiction and Gargs (as I call it) on the web, so I ask that you take all this into consideration when reading what I have to say.
I find it difficult to believe that no one has said anything about (from my point of view) the obvious influence of the movie Highlander on the series. When I saw the first episode, it was the first thing I thought. I'm an old Highlander and Queen fan. Just the first episode, the fact that the story is told in flashbacks to Scotland and carried by a storyline following characters who magically survived to live in modern day New York, was enough to hook me. But as the series progressed, the influence was hard to ignore. I know that Clancy Brown's involvement doesn't mean that the series was influenced by Highlander, but the appearance of the "Golden Cup" building was too much for me to ignore. (The finale of Highlander takes place on the roof of a building with an strikingly similar "Silvercup" sign.) An episode named "The Gathering" is another debatable similarity. MacBeth sure seems like Conner McCloed with the way he loses his family because of his immortal link to Demona. I also think the relationship between Goliath and Eliza could be made into a great AMV on Youtube to Queen's "Who Wants To Live Forever". There's more, if I remember correctly. So, if I'm alone on this, I'm sure it won't take much to talk my girlfriend into watching the series again and cataloging all the Highlander-esque moments. But let me know if I'm alone in my thinking here.
Haven13 11Dec06
This article is a little bit of a mess of information. Do we really need to list every convention and special guest? I mean this is an article about the series and not the convention. Cdscottie
Someone should be writing episode summerys for each epsode. If you don't know when it's on, I'll tell you. It comes on the Jetx block on Toon Disney at 2:30 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. almost everyday. For Direct-tv it's channel 292.
graphic description or graphic DEPICTION? Somebody advise me on this. (I've never heard of this show until now, let alone seen it - I'm British and TV-less. That's why I'm asking for help.) Regards, Notreallydavid 20:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Due to the current discussion over the deletion of subcategories of "Category: Actors by series" (including "Category: Gargoyles voice actors"), I propose the creation of a List of Gargoyles voice actors. I am of the opinion that the series had an impressive voice talent, which deserves mention, and that incorporating a full list in the main article could only clutter the page. Also, regardless of the eventual outcome of the deletion discussions, listifying would allow us to clarify when actors appeared, who they played, and would also allow us to move the "Star Trek connection" section from this article to that one. What do other people think? -- Supermorff 11:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I will produce my source a bit later, but Greg Weisman's run for Marvel Comics wouldn't begin until after at least a few more issues. On that note, a solicitation for issue 6 of the current comic will incorporate Greg's story for Marvel Comics. 71.115.238.159 06:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Why can't I add a link to GargWiki? Caswin 00:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Look I understand that some spammers messed up, hence why Gargwiki and Ask Greg are not allowed on the site. So it makes me wonder if keeping Gargoyles on the regular Wikipedia is pointless:
I'm not against saying it shouldn't be without a wikipedia page, but if they're going to limit the pages you can use for source, it's a prime example of shooting oneself in the foot. You still didn't address my one comment. What happens when other sites used for source are spammed onto wikipedia. They'll keep blocking sites until nothing can be used for a source.
While Gargwiki is a fansite, that doesn't diminish it's reliability. And again, they show more Good Faith than the current wikipedia section for Gargoyles. Block a site just because someone messed up doesn't strike me as Good Faith afterall. 74.61.186.169 03:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
This bit is pretty vague... I'm assuming it means 3x3 Eyes, but since I don't actually know for sure I'll leave it up to someone else to make the change. Luthwyhn 00:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I removed mention of this from the mainpage just a few minutes ago. While Oberon does appear in House Of Mouse, it is the Shakespearean version, not the Gargoyle version of the character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antiyonder ( talk • contribs) 00:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor claiming to be an executive of Disney with inside information [1] has continually added release dates for Season 2 pt 2, and Season 3. However his IP tracks to the University of Connecticut. I've left the editor a friendly warning to stop repeatedly adding unsourced information. Editors should be aware that release dates for the last 2 DVDs sets must be verifiable and sourced AtaruMoroboshi ( talk) 04:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
This section - while useful, needs to be trimmed and sourced. Television episodes can be cited using the {{ Cite episode}} template. Additionally, other works done by Greg Weisman that mention or show Gargoyles are considered self-referential and may not be appropriate for a section that speaks to illustrate cultural impact by way of parody or reference. AtaruMoroboshi ( talk) 17:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Again, how are we suppose to source something when the only reliable site is unusable (blocked for spam)? And links that would be acceptable are from fansites which are deemed unreliable. Besides, other articles on wikipedia contain Reference/Parody sections, so why should Gargoyles be any exception? Antiyonder ( talk) 01:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
It's been unsourced for a while. I'd also support the removal of"Disney acknowledged that Weisman's fans would finally quit bugging them if they made their selection of Gargoyles as their first animated series released for DVD retail in a season collection format. citation needed"
"Out of displeasure citation needed with the third season deviation from Weisman's plan, fans created a virtual season fan fiction series, The Gargoyles Saga,
until a good source is found. I'd then put it back into the article. The Gathering of the Gargoyles should stay, as mentioned the convention was filmed by Disney and appears on the Season 1 DVD [2] AtaruMoroboshi ( talk) 12:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)to continue the franchise expanding its stories and creating a series of spin-offs. Fan fiction has also attempted to realize the Timedancer, Pendragon, and Dark Ages series."
As of currently, the higher us of the site have made no attempt to unblock Ask Greg or GargWiki. As a result, much of the contributed info is now being questioned on reliability and are being given citations. So for the moment, I'm suggesting that any info given from Ask Greg be marked with those invisible messages (seen only when editing a page). Antiyonder ( talk) 00:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Except that there are no other sites with the kind of info that are being cited on here, and since links from Ask Greg are blacklisted, how am I suppose to "use a source from Ask Greg" as you put it?
Antiyonder (
talk) 02:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking that with the current series ending at issue 12 if it would be okay to retitle Gargoyles (SLG comic) to Gargoyles (comic)? I figure it would tidy up the main page a little better, plus expanding the page for the comic. Antiyonder ( talk) 02:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, if I get the okay to do so, I might even transfer the Gargoyles parody as well. Antiyonder ( talk) 02:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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"Except for the first episode of the season, "The Journey," these episodes were produced without the involvement of series creator Greg Weisman, and are not considered canonical within the context of Weisman's continuation." Not considered canonical by who? The person who wrote this entry? Fans of the series? Weisman himself? Is there a source for this supposition? CPitt76 ( talk) 23:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Keybounce ( talk) 03:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
When Gargoyles started airing on Disney a few months ago, I started putting in some stuff on the timeline and backstory, or, the "What happened in-universe before "Awakening" and how it affects the current events". I fell behind, and had to stop, waiting for the next time around on the DVR.
Now I've got a bunch of episodes, and I'm ready to get back to it, but I find that the section has been removed, with no explanation as to why.
Is this a case of "It does not belong", or is it something else? Should I resume this, or forget about it? Keybounce ( talk) 06:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Should it be noted that the now-destroyed World Trade Center appears in some episodes? (The Mirror, etc.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.116.1.149 ( talk) 02:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
"The series is credited for its relatively dark tone, complex story arcs and melodrama; character arcs were heavily employed throughout the series, as were Shakespearean themes" - anything to back this statement up? The "reception" section currently consists of three links, of which only one (IGN) has any real substance. This cartoon has a vocal cult following, I know, but hardly any serious critical attention. 194.83.56.158 ( talk) 12:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
The Broadway disambiguation page says Broadway is "a fictional gargoyle from the RV series Gargoyles and member of the Manhattan Clan".
What is RV?
70.17.202.6 ( talk) 23:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I added the images and release dates to some of the new seasons of the Disney Store and WalMart exclusive for Season 2 Volume 2 of the Gargoyles DVD sets. I was wondering if anyone has any information in regards to the release date for Season 3 as there's no update yet for that specific set. - Zarbon ( talk) 20:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
I am going to avoid the comment said by another sockpuppet, I agree with u. One thing is certain, it is imperative we cover all releases, especially limited editions. If it's going to take me to present reliable sources, WP:RS, I will do so, but show me where it is against the rules to present all the credible information possible. Like I said, this isn't about decisions, it isn't about what viewers want, it is what makes this site encyclopedic. I will be on watch for more different cover editions in the near future. Zarbon
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There are a number of links in the "External links" section which lead to various pages on the same sites, specifically, www.s8.org/gargoyles and www.gargoyles-fans.org. I'm not familiar enough with the sites in question to determine if all of those links are noteworthy enough to have linked here, though I think some pruning may be in order. Boxclocke - "!" 09:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Someone else can add this since mine would inevitably get deleted by some of you obsessive wiki-ers. Watch it free on Disney's site: http://video.disney.com/shows/gargoyles-4ba34a5545c1259e961b9666 — Preceding unsigned comment added by IraJacobs ( talk • contribs) 17:28, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
I posted this in Broadway's page in response to the merging question.
I believe these characters have more than enough material and personality individually to warrent making them their own pages...connected to the main page ofcourse.
Judging by this series' immense popularity that has stood the test of time...as well as the fact these characters go through quite a bit of character development, Much more than your average western animation character...I think if someone is willing to help me we should make profiles for the more prolific characters of this series and maybe one page to minor or one shot characters. Pictures, table of contents to connect all the pages together...the whole deal.
The page is already full of content..but by giving the major characters pages and organizing the more minor characters onto single pages..perhaps we can slowly get rid of some of these red links and maybe organize the page a little better.
I'll slowly start putting together some pages...uploading some pictures and accuratly um.."Remembering" the information about each character..but if someone is willing to help me out please say so on any of these discussion tables.
Also..there's a lot of mythology, artifacts, and more intricate plot details that could also possibly get a listing on their own sub page as well. There's a lot that can be done with this show in particular.
Gargoyles has an enormous following, and is a wonderfully crafted show that I think deserves a great multi layered entry on Wikipedia.
Agreed, the main page lacks the punch and intrigue that makes the show interesting. In depth plot, character, and thematic pages need to be put in for newcomers to the series and veterans. I'm fairly new to Wiki, but I'd be interested in helping put together these pages. Contact me if you have similar interest: -- Jaws_Victim
Can anyone provide a reference to where it was stated that the new comic will have its "first issue released in December 2005 or January 2006"? I know the AskGreg site mentions the possibility of this happening, but I haven't run across anything this definite. -- Matthew0028 10:05, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
The unusual romantic subtext between Goliath (a gargoyle) and Elisa (a human) was fodder for quite a bit of discussion on the Internet, particularly about its appropriateness.
You can't compare a woman kissing a gargoyle to having an interracial kiss on the original series of Star Trek (although you should define if it was Nichelle Nichols kissing someone, or someone kissing an alien). The particular (human) races of the people involved on Star Trek are their real races and at the time it wasn't that many years after the riots for segregation. If gargoyles were real, then I think there'd be a case... but they're not. Kingpin1055 23:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Gargoyles is about to move from being primarily an animated series to a mixed-media franchise. Given that, I think it'd be more appropriate to give this article a title that didn't refer to a specific medium, but rather to the franchise as a whole. That having been said, I would hate an article title that read "Gargoyles (Disney franchise)". Would it be completely inappropriate to take over the page "Gargoyles" (which currently redirects to "Gargoyle" and use the name? skeeJay 17:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Using the page "Gargoyles" is probably unwise, though it would solve a lot of problems as you've mentioned. I would say "Gargoyles (Disney franchise)" is a bit long for an article title. Maybe "Gargoyles (Disney)" would be simpler? When the comic is released, it would be possible to create a new article for it, i.e. "Gargoyles (comic)". The two articles would be linked quite heavily, and that may not be preferable, but it is one possible solution. -- Supermorff 15:34, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
The fact that one person from Gargoyles was involved in an episode of Buzz Lightyear means very little. Copies, clones, and offspring having reversed names is actually fairly common in fiction, and tiny robotic insects are not really anything to write home about. I removed the Buzz Lightyear reference, I think it's grasping at straws. Master Deusoma 12:33, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Futurama and Freakazoid? Don't suppose you could give us a description... or a screengrab? Kingpin1055 17:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree on the connection being a bit tenuous. Many cartoon series' use the cloning storyline, and reversing the name is by no means exclusive to Gargoyles, nor is using small robots to harvest DNA. The same was done, for example, in the anime DragonballZ, just off the top of my head. I haven't seen the episode, so can't claim anything for certain, but there doesn't seem to be enough there to warrant this. Prophaniti 23:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I notice you guys have been commenting negatively on my contributions. I don't see other people getting citation notice when they neglect to name their source. Is because my info is hard to believe or that because I'm a newbie? If so, you guys need to cut your almighty attitudes or you might alienate others off this page. [71.115.225.100/71.115.212.229] (for some reason this computer changesd my number) 8:57 PM, 19 June 2006
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How tall is Goliath? What is his height?
How tall do you estimate him? Goliath looks 6'5" or 6'6" to me because Balrog from Street Fighter seems as tall as Goliath to me and Balrog is 198cm tall.
I believe there are stats on the trading cards. I'm too lazy to check mine out. --ClintJCL 68.167.161.178 00:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Should the VHS releases of the first season be mentioned as well? 156.34.219.61 16:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Consider it mentioned. 71.115.242.120 06:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm an old fan. I mean that in a lot of ways. Let me put it this way, the Avalon storyline was unfolding while I student taught my class of fourth graders who called me "Mr. Xanatos" because of my goatee and habit of wearing black suits. I'm sure most of you are better versed in the world of fan fiction and Gargs (as I call it) on the web, so I ask that you take all this into consideration when reading what I have to say.
I find it difficult to believe that no one has said anything about (from my point of view) the obvious influence of the movie Highlander on the series. When I saw the first episode, it was the first thing I thought. I'm an old Highlander and Queen fan. Just the first episode, the fact that the story is told in flashbacks to Scotland and carried by a storyline following characters who magically survived to live in modern day New York, was enough to hook me. But as the series progressed, the influence was hard to ignore. I know that Clancy Brown's involvement doesn't mean that the series was influenced by Highlander, but the appearance of the "Golden Cup" building was too much for me to ignore. (The finale of Highlander takes place on the roof of a building with an strikingly similar "Silvercup" sign.) An episode named "The Gathering" is another debatable similarity. MacBeth sure seems like Conner McCloed with the way he loses his family because of his immortal link to Demona. I also think the relationship between Goliath and Eliza could be made into a great AMV on Youtube to Queen's "Who Wants To Live Forever". There's more, if I remember correctly. So, if I'm alone on this, I'm sure it won't take much to talk my girlfriend into watching the series again and cataloging all the Highlander-esque moments. But let me know if I'm alone in my thinking here.
Haven13 11Dec06
This article is a little bit of a mess of information. Do we really need to list every convention and special guest? I mean this is an article about the series and not the convention. Cdscottie
Someone should be writing episode summerys for each epsode. If you don't know when it's on, I'll tell you. It comes on the Jetx block on Toon Disney at 2:30 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. almost everyday. For Direct-tv it's channel 292.
graphic description or graphic DEPICTION? Somebody advise me on this. (I've never heard of this show until now, let alone seen it - I'm British and TV-less. That's why I'm asking for help.) Regards, Notreallydavid 20:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Due to the current discussion over the deletion of subcategories of "Category: Actors by series" (including "Category: Gargoyles voice actors"), I propose the creation of a List of Gargoyles voice actors. I am of the opinion that the series had an impressive voice talent, which deserves mention, and that incorporating a full list in the main article could only clutter the page. Also, regardless of the eventual outcome of the deletion discussions, listifying would allow us to clarify when actors appeared, who they played, and would also allow us to move the "Star Trek connection" section from this article to that one. What do other people think? -- Supermorff 11:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I will produce my source a bit later, but Greg Weisman's run for Marvel Comics wouldn't begin until after at least a few more issues. On that note, a solicitation for issue 6 of the current comic will incorporate Greg's story for Marvel Comics. 71.115.238.159 06:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Why can't I add a link to GargWiki? Caswin 00:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Look I understand that some spammers messed up, hence why Gargwiki and Ask Greg are not allowed on the site. So it makes me wonder if keeping Gargoyles on the regular Wikipedia is pointless:
I'm not against saying it shouldn't be without a wikipedia page, but if they're going to limit the pages you can use for source, it's a prime example of shooting oneself in the foot. You still didn't address my one comment. What happens when other sites used for source are spammed onto wikipedia. They'll keep blocking sites until nothing can be used for a source.
While Gargwiki is a fansite, that doesn't diminish it's reliability. And again, they show more Good Faith than the current wikipedia section for Gargoyles. Block a site just because someone messed up doesn't strike me as Good Faith afterall. 74.61.186.169 03:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
This bit is pretty vague... I'm assuming it means 3x3 Eyes, but since I don't actually know for sure I'll leave it up to someone else to make the change. Luthwyhn 00:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I removed mention of this from the mainpage just a few minutes ago. While Oberon does appear in House Of Mouse, it is the Shakespearean version, not the Gargoyle version of the character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antiyonder ( talk • contribs) 00:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor claiming to be an executive of Disney with inside information [1] has continually added release dates for Season 2 pt 2, and Season 3. However his IP tracks to the University of Connecticut. I've left the editor a friendly warning to stop repeatedly adding unsourced information. Editors should be aware that release dates for the last 2 DVDs sets must be verifiable and sourced AtaruMoroboshi ( talk) 04:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
This section - while useful, needs to be trimmed and sourced. Television episodes can be cited using the {{ Cite episode}} template. Additionally, other works done by Greg Weisman that mention or show Gargoyles are considered self-referential and may not be appropriate for a section that speaks to illustrate cultural impact by way of parody or reference. AtaruMoroboshi ( talk) 17:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Again, how are we suppose to source something when the only reliable site is unusable (blocked for spam)? And links that would be acceptable are from fansites which are deemed unreliable. Besides, other articles on wikipedia contain Reference/Parody sections, so why should Gargoyles be any exception? Antiyonder ( talk) 01:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
It's been unsourced for a while. I'd also support the removal of"Disney acknowledged that Weisman's fans would finally quit bugging them if they made their selection of Gargoyles as their first animated series released for DVD retail in a season collection format. citation needed"
"Out of displeasure citation needed with the third season deviation from Weisman's plan, fans created a virtual season fan fiction series, The Gargoyles Saga,
until a good source is found. I'd then put it back into the article. The Gathering of the Gargoyles should stay, as mentioned the convention was filmed by Disney and appears on the Season 1 DVD [2] AtaruMoroboshi ( talk) 12:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)to continue the franchise expanding its stories and creating a series of spin-offs. Fan fiction has also attempted to realize the Timedancer, Pendragon, and Dark Ages series."
As of currently, the higher us of the site have made no attempt to unblock Ask Greg or GargWiki. As a result, much of the contributed info is now being questioned on reliability and are being given citations. So for the moment, I'm suggesting that any info given from Ask Greg be marked with those invisible messages (seen only when editing a page). Antiyonder ( talk) 00:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Except that there are no other sites with the kind of info that are being cited on here, and since links from Ask Greg are blacklisted, how am I suppose to "use a source from Ask Greg" as you put it?
Antiyonder (
talk) 02:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking that with the current series ending at issue 12 if it would be okay to retitle Gargoyles (SLG comic) to Gargoyles (comic)? I figure it would tidy up the main page a little better, plus expanding the page for the comic. Antiyonder ( talk) 02:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, if I get the okay to do so, I might even transfer the Gargoyles parody as well. Antiyonder ( talk) 02:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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"Except for the first episode of the season, "The Journey," these episodes were produced without the involvement of series creator Greg Weisman, and are not considered canonical within the context of Weisman's continuation." Not considered canonical by who? The person who wrote this entry? Fans of the series? Weisman himself? Is there a source for this supposition? CPitt76 ( talk) 23:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Keybounce ( talk) 03:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
When Gargoyles started airing on Disney a few months ago, I started putting in some stuff on the timeline and backstory, or, the "What happened in-universe before "Awakening" and how it affects the current events". I fell behind, and had to stop, waiting for the next time around on the DVR.
Now I've got a bunch of episodes, and I'm ready to get back to it, but I find that the section has been removed, with no explanation as to why.
Is this a case of "It does not belong", or is it something else? Should I resume this, or forget about it? Keybounce ( talk) 06:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Should it be noted that the now-destroyed World Trade Center appears in some episodes? (The Mirror, etc.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.116.1.149 ( talk) 02:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
"The series is credited for its relatively dark tone, complex story arcs and melodrama; character arcs were heavily employed throughout the series, as were Shakespearean themes" - anything to back this statement up? The "reception" section currently consists of three links, of which only one (IGN) has any real substance. This cartoon has a vocal cult following, I know, but hardly any serious critical attention. 194.83.56.158 ( talk) 12:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
The Broadway disambiguation page says Broadway is "a fictional gargoyle from the RV series Gargoyles and member of the Manhattan Clan".
What is RV?
70.17.202.6 ( talk) 23:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I added the images and release dates to some of the new seasons of the Disney Store and WalMart exclusive for Season 2 Volume 2 of the Gargoyles DVD sets. I was wondering if anyone has any information in regards to the release date for Season 3 as there's no update yet for that specific set. - Zarbon ( talk) 20:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
I am going to avoid the comment said by another sockpuppet, I agree with u. One thing is certain, it is imperative we cover all releases, especially limited editions. If it's going to take me to present reliable sources, WP:RS, I will do so, but show me where it is against the rules to present all the credible information possible. Like I said, this isn't about decisions, it isn't about what viewers want, it is what makes this site encyclopedic. I will be on watch for more different cover editions in the near future. Zarbon
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There is unsourced information and some OR, but there is plenty here to work with to bring the article up to snuff. Article length, and consistency in prose and sections needs to be addressed. AtaruMoroboshi ( talk) 14:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC) |
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