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I'm slightly curious as to why this isn't titled "Season 8 (Game of Thrones)". -- NoToleranceForIntolerance ( talk) 04:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
For an article that describes one season of a television show (possibly containing a section for episode summaries), the article should be named first by the name of the show, and then by the season/series number.-- Alex TW 05:37, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
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Episode 2: The episode summary does not include Missandei's encounter with racism - which might play a greater role in the rest of the season - as a basis for the Unsullied departure from Westeros Neoconfi ( talk) 02:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
It mentions the "dead hoard"—this is clearly a typo, since it's not like someone is hoarding the dead, but rather, it's a dead horde. Softwaremills ( talk) 13:53, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
In the description for episode 3, it is stated that Arya took the face of a white walker to attack the night king. Not only is there no evidence of this, but for someone's face to be taken, they have to be dead. Not only would the Night King have been made aware of this, but it must be rather difficult to take a face off of a white walker once it has been shattered to pieces by valerian steel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.26.25 ( talk) 00:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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Please add a new cast member to the 'in the north' section of characters. Bea Glancy as Teela. 2A00:23C5:5011:2A01:3886:EED5:F756:2D2 ( talk) 21:14, 25 April 2019 (UTC) 2A00:23C5:5011:2A01:3886:EED5:F756:2D2 ( talk) 21:14, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
HBO are not confirming episode titles until the episode airs this season. Both episodes shown so far have had incorrect names added to this article beforehand, and there have been multiple attempts to set the name of the third episode as "Battle for Winterfell" from dubious sources.
Episode titles for forthcoming episodes should not be added in until provided by a reliable source WP:RS and WP:Crystal. Until HBO or another verifiable source (i.e. not something like nextgot.com which is a fan site with no affiliation to Game of Thrones or HBO) provide an episode title, this should be left blank. Jonathan McLeod ( talk) 23:00, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
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"The Night King and his wights disintegrate" should read "The Night King and his White Walkers disintegrate" source: https://www.insider.com/game-of-thrones-white-walkers-wights-skeletons-difference-2017-8 Benikahn ( talk) 13:38, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
The source claiming that Edmure Tully and Robyn Arryn will appear in the premier episode is obviously fake. Please remove that. 98.187.239.5 ( talk) 17:20, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
@ TedEdwards: This is how it originally was about 10 days ago. I also want to point out that WP:TVCAST is a guideline, not a policy, but since you're eager to follow it, I just wanted to ask whether you changed the order for all of the previous seasons or not? Because I believe the general format needs to be consistent for all of these articles. Keivan.f Talk 19:24, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Editors should attempt to follow guidelines, though they are best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply; that doesn't mean "if I don't like it, ignore it", it means "if there's a reason it's not sensible to follow the guideline, don't follow it, but if there isn't a reason, follow it". So, is there a particular reason i.y.o. why this article shouldn't follow the sentence in WP:TVCAST
The cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list? -- Ted Edwards 22:27, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
The source expicitly says he would appear in the first episode, which was not the case. Please provide a source generally stating his possible appearance in this season or remove the actor from the list. -- 94.134.89.21 ( talk) 20:31, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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Under the heading 'Critical response', I have submitted a request to include a sentence about a petition which was launched to remake season 8. This further highlights how this season has been negatively received by audiences.
Change from: While the first three episodes were met with mostly positive feedback, the episodes "The Last of the Starks" and "The Bells" were criticized for their rushed pacing, writing, and deviation from critical character development, with the former being described as "anticlimactic" and "a huge letdown".[64][65][66][67][68] "The Bells" is the worst-reviewed episode of the entire series, with a Rotten Tomatoes approval of 47%.[64][69]
Change to: While the first three episodes were met with mostly positive feedback, the episodes "The Last of the Starks" and "The Bells" were criticized for their rushed pacing, writing, and deviation from critical character development, with the former being described as "anticlimactic" and "a huge letdown".[64][65][66][67][68] "The Bells" is the worst-reviewed episode of the entire series, with a Rotten Tomatoes approval of 47%.[64][69] After ‘The Bells’ aired, a petition was launched to remake season 8. [1] DaviesEmma ( talk) 11:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
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Jon Snow and Ser Davos stop Greyworm from conitinuing his spate of war crimes. Danerys announces the launch of a campaign to emancipate all the slaves in the world. Jon Snow pretends to kiss her, but the treacherously stabs her, and feeds her to Drogon. A council is convened where Greyworm and Yara Greyjoy propose capital punishment for Jon, but Sansa, Arya and others oppose them. Bran becomes the first differently abled king with Tyrion as the hand of the king. Sansa becomes the Queen of the North, while Greyworm sends Jon to the Nights Watch. Arya leaves for Meereen to fight Daario Naharis, who suspects Bran of having used his magical three-eyed raven powers to turn Danerys into a despot, and who is expected to attempt to avenge the murder of Danerys.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.248.170.48 ( talk • contribs)
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I've removed the plot summary of the last episode, as most people haven't seen it yet. And before someone starts screaming about how there are no spoilers in Wikipedia, this isn't about that. The production company and broadcaster(s) have the right to make money on their product, and by publishing the plot of their episode bleeds potential watchers for them. Thoughts? - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 03:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Most of the money that a show makes comes from broadcasters worldwide who pay for the right to stream that show on their network (or companies like iTunes and Amazon that offer downloads of the program after it has aired). If we reveal aplot summary just because it has aired here and not everywhere, that latter group has less reason to watch the show, or purchase a download or stream. That's how we are depriving the maker of income. Its copyright infringement, and we are acting like a torrent site by posting the plot summary. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 05:56, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
I would think it deserves a mention somewhere in the article text. Зенитная Самоходная Установка ( talk) 07:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Change.org is blacklisted and petitions aren’t generally notable, especially as there is no standard for verification of identity. There’s no reason to mention it. Toa Nidhiki05 12:18, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Petitions aren’t generally notable, especially as there is no standard for verification of identity. There’s no reason to mention it.is not appropriate for this topic. Maybe you should more than one guideline. And please don't remove it again without a consensus/reasonable edit summary. Sebastian James what's the T? 12:24, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
AFAIK you’ve only insulted me,-->
don’t insult people in edit summaries again.(You are not the only person I disagreed with "concidentally", but somehow you are the only one who accuses me without a reasonable explanation.) I've already stated the meaning of the word, see above, apparently you don't know what it means. Everybody has a choice to choose the editor they want to work with and stay away from the editor they don't want. Wikipedia is full of editors, please don't try to change the issue, the problem here is you accusing falsely in the wrong place. If you have further brilliant accusations and don't want to get a block fifth time (March 2019 is the latest), go to WP:ANI or WP:IBAN. Sebastian James what's the T? 16:43, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Nobody likes to be bossed about by an editor who appears to believe that they are "superior", which is what smart ass stands for (someone who claims to be knowledgeable or an expert in something, obnoxiously dismissing the opinions, advice, suggestions, etc. of others.), and I think you should be careful about that. I'm not sure how "collaborative" will work when making a big deal about a tiny little thing and keep it going. Also don't make snide comments. ("it seems like you just can’t do it, which is kind of sad, really. But hey, you do you.") Bye. Sebastian James what's the T? 17:44, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
change.org is not reliable and petitions are generally not reported on. There’s a reason it’s blacklisted
Of course there's reason to mention it. First, plenty of reliable sources have reported on the petition, there's already now 10 of them in the article, and I'm sure more can be found. Second, at least two cast members have responded to the petition, that legitimizes it. Third, 1 million is a big number - either the petition is mostly legitimate, and many fans are displeased, or the petition is mostly bogus, and a small number of fans are going very far in their displeasure. Fourth, the response is not unexpected given that Richard Roeper, for the Chicago Sun Times, wrote I don’t think I've ever seen the level of fan vitriol leveled at GoT in recent weeks
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Not sure what's happened here, but is it possible to fix the problem with the graph detailing the Rotten Tomatoes scores for each episode? The cause seems to stem from the Episode 6 score of 4.8, as changing any of the scores to something else fixes the issue. -- Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 12:35, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
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As of today, RT suddenly has started to ignore all the episode reviews for the season and is displaying only season reviews now. What should we do? Sebastian James what's the T? 13:36, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Did archive.org save each individual page? starship .paint ( talk) 03:39, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm confused? As of right now, I'm looking at the season on RT and I can click individual episodes to see the rating, episode info and critic consensus for each. Either they changed it back or I have misunderstood what you meant by reviews. TheSameGuy ( talk) 06:38, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Jack Sebastian: For a short summary like this, you do not need to explain Bran's full title, just say he's king and readers understand enough to understand this article. The grammar error is in the sentence "Apart from Sansa asserting an independent North, the other Westerosi leaders proclaim..." The word other is erroneous, as Sansa is only mentioned in a clause. -- Ted Edwards 01:36, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The Westerosi leaders (except Sansa) proclaim Bran Stark as king, Bran accepts, granting Sansa the North's independence from his rule.Is this clear enough? starship .paint ( talk) 02:34, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The Westerosi leaders (except Sansa) proclaim Bran Stark as their king, Bran accepts; granting Sansa the North's independence from his rule.starship .paint ( talk) 02:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
New current text: The Westerosi leaders (except Sansa) proclaim Bran Stark as their king. Bran accepts, granting Sansa the North's secession
. Word count: 189.
And no one has addressed where this ambiguous 200-word count thing came from. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 03:11, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
approximately 100-200 words for each, with upwards of 350 words for complex storylines.
approximately 100–200 words for each, with upwards of 350 words for complex storylines, with the provision that articles using should not exceed 200 words in accordance with the instructions for that template.
with upwards of 350 words for complex storylineswas removed. starship .paint ( talk) 03:43, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
THere seems to be a bit of resistance to certain episode edits, hidden as they are in other, less consequential edits. .org/?title=Game_of_Thrones_(season_8)&diff=899142350&oldid=899131441I've addressed some of those, and will defend them here
Disagree? Let's talk. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 03:56, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
The Dothraki are nearly wiped out in their initial charge. This does not make any sense.
orders Missandei's beheading,- that's just an order. It doesn't say it was actually carried out.
Drogon melts the Iron Throne, then carries Daenerys' body away?
he receives House Tarly's ancestral sword as a gift from Sam?
entices Cersei to consummate their union?
Sam meets Daenerys, who reveals that she executed his father and brother?
Jaime later apologizes to Bran for crippling him; Bran replies he harbors no anger and says they are no longer the same people?
The Dothraki are nearly wiped out in their initial charge, and the Unsullied are overwhelmed.- there are so many of them left?
Jaime, Arya, and the Hound separately infiltrate King's Landing. This is inaccurate as Arya and the Hound were together. You also inserted
Daenarys. You've not been careful.
Daenerys indiscriminately begins leveling the city, burning soldiers and civilians alike.The focus here is the killing of people. Daenerys targeted people first and buildings later. She was lighting up the streets. Thus, my wording: an enraged Daenerys indiscriminately burns soldiers and civilians alike, and levels the city. : starship .paint ( talk) 05:26, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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this version of the article:
ep 1: 172
ep 2: 171
ep 3: 176
ep 4: 193
ep 5: 179
ep 6: 198
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decimated. We did not see their deaths, and we saw a lot of them later. Changed to The Dothraki's charge is immediately repulsed.
No one is going to listen to a thing he says, much less follow his call to ring the bells to surrender the city. The point is that he is likely the only person who can get through to Cersei, both literally and figuratively.The show doesn't make sense, okay? They had bad writers. You are taking the approach that assumes it makes sense but it doesn't have to make sense. Please read/watch the show again.
starts razing the city. She doesn't see the people; they are just part of the city that was denied her peacefully. She punishes. She destroys. There might be different interpretations to why she attacked the city, but she wasn't doing it to kill the people; they were just collateral damage and incidental to her goal.- again, this is your original interpretation. What is literally seen (please rewatch the scene) is that Drogon's fire is along the streets where the people are. If Drogon were targeting the buildings, he would not keep burning the streets. Edited to an enraged Daenerys levels the city and indiscriminately burns soldiers and civilians starship .paint ( talk) 00:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
A And while we're at it, let's put the reason why Tyrion sent Jaime into Kings Landing, as well. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 03:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
The Dothraki weren't "repulsed"; at the time, it looked like they had been all but annihilated. Only at the battle of Kings Landing and the aftermath did we see any appreciable numbers of them. Repulsed doesn't accurately describe the results of their charge against the Army of the Dead. Decimate is; look it up.
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Jack Sebastian: - look at the funerals in Episode 4. We can see around 11 rows and 8 columns. Let's assume there's a further 2 columns off-screen. The nearest row of pyres have about 10 people each. The behind rows of pyres have about 30 people each. Nearest row x 10 columns x 10 people = 100 dead. Behind 10 rows x 10 columns x 30 people = 3,000 dead. Total = 3,100 dead in total. Didn't Dany have tens of thousands of Dothraki? Even 30% is not a decimation in the common sense of the word (not the Roman sense). Also, it looked like
= apparently.
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And while we're at it, let's put the reason why Tyrion sent Jaime into Kings Landing, as well. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 03:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
If you think that Daenerys has far too many people in her Dothraki and Unsullied army, you aren’t alone. Many people are wondering the same thing, since the Dothraki seemed to be wiped out mostly in the Battle of Winterfell (during “The Long Night” episode.)[6]
one by one the lights were seen to disappear as the Dothraki men appeared to be wiped out. Fans of the HBO series took to Twitter to share their shock at the Dothraki’s return with huge numbers.They were apparently but not really decimated. If you say they were apparently decimated, I'm okay. If you say they were decimated, it's not okay. starship .paint ( talk) 03:58, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
The Dothraki are seemingly decimated in their initial charge. starship .paint ( talk) 04:20, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
It looks like PNW Raven has presented a pretty good alternative. The editor offered as an alternative, "The initial Dothraki charge is decimated"; a pretty ingenious solution, if you ask me. A pity the editor isn't contributing to this discussion, - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 13:17, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
There is an issue about Sandor Clegane's name. For the purpose of the summary, he should be consistently referred to by one name, preferably "Clegane" as that is what the majority of the characters call him. He is referred to as "The Hound" indirectly. It has also been a derogatory name for him. He should also not be called "Sandor" as the only character I can think of who ever called him that was Arya at the very end. This was to show how her feelings about him had changed.
This is NOT a Game of Thrones fan site. It is an encyclopedia, so it should not be assumed that all readers are overly-familiar with this character and his various names. Suddenly switching to calling him to "The Hound" is confusing and can lead non-fans to assume it is a different character. It appears that some want to revert to calling him "The Hound" when it is juxtaposed next to "The Mountain" because it has some sort of symmetry. Gregor Glegane should probably be referred to as "Ser Gregor" as that is what he is directly called. PNW Raven ( talk) 21:47, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Clegane ... engages Gregor Clegane. This is exactly the scenario to cause the most confusion. starship .paint ( talk) 00:36, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
It is NOT known if Jaime's wounds were "mortal" as he did not die from them. He might eventually have died from them but he also could have survived. Euron's claim that he "killed" him was unsubstantiated. Maybe it is unclear to some what "mortal wound" means, but it means it would have been fatal. PNW Raven ( talk) 21:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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{{.@ Sebastian James: I invite you here for a civil discussion about whether saying the season "received mixed reviews" needs a special source. I am of the opinion it doesn't need it because a) The season reviews mentioned on the article (which I have checked) gave a range of views and b) Rotten Tomatoes cites 3 positive season reviews and 5 negative ones, which is bascially the definition of mixed. -- Ted Edwards 14:40, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
If there's disagreement about whether a source is "needed", then a source should be provided. If nothing else, it beats the heck out of arguing about whether a source is needed. It will also ensure that nobody comes along later and removes the info for being unsourced, or slaps a CN tag on it, or what-not. Why even bother arguing about the need for a source? That said, in terms of reception, is there an issue with letting the sources speak for themselves? Why must a summary be provided? DonIago ( talk) 20:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
The show’s final bow received mixed reviews from long-time fans.The second one from Mashable says
While many agree that most of the final season was a rocky, unpleasant road to go down, reactions to the series finale have been mixed. Some critics walked away unsatisfied, others had a handful of emotions, and a few felt content with how things wrapped up given the lead up to the end.Both reliable sources that together cover every aspect of "The season received mixed reviews from critics and fans alike." There is no need for citing more sources per WP:CITEKILL. Please remove the last two of them yourself. Thank you. Radiphus ( talk) 01:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Consensus was needed until the sources.. Unlike you, I didn't suggest watching Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure in the first place, no relation to the article whatsoever. Then you went full bullshit and claimed to know the guidelines and policies, while you don't even know how to write a lead for an article. Then you continued to try seek for attention on other talk pages, and even harrassed others when you had no right. There is only one "we", and it is you. Continue to think that other new sections written by me "peripherally involves you", as you did here, where you appeared out of nowhere (not surprised) and attacked another editor just because they appeared out of nowhere. It looks like you will always be a bully with a low-life. Sebastian James what's the T? 14:35, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
you even called me a "sockpuppet" only because no one agrees with you.What? Why would I call only you sockpuppet then? You weren't even involved on this discussion before. Think before you write something. You should also read WP:OR, "fresh" or "rotten" reviews cannot represent "mixed". Sebastian James what's the T? 16:45, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Jack Sebastian, to Sebastian James's point about WP:Synthesis, I don't see that the two sources left state that the season received mixed reviews. Those two sources are about the series finale receiving mixed reviews. So why do you think it's acceptable to state that the season received mixed reviews? GoneIn60 and Gonnym, any thoughts on this? And, Jack Sebastian, don't close down this subsection either. I'll just open it back up. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 10:14, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
And Doniago is also right. I'd rather not have to start an RfC on this, but I will if that WP:Synthesis is not fixed. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 10:23, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
one of the most divisive seasons of a TV show in recent memory" – Digital Spy
The show's last season...struggled to impress critics" – Screen Rant
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I'm slightly curious as to why this isn't titled "Season 8 (Game of Thrones)". -- NoToleranceForIntolerance ( talk) 04:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
For an article that describes one season of a television show (possibly containing a section for episode summaries), the article should be named first by the name of the show, and then by the season/series number.-- Alex TW 05:37, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
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I realise that the page is protected to prevent vandalism - rightfully so. So can we suggest edits here:
Episode 2: The episode summary does not include Missandei's encounter with racism - which might play a greater role in the rest of the season - as a basis for the Unsullied departure from Westeros Neoconfi ( talk) 02:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
It mentions the "dead hoard"—this is clearly a typo, since it's not like someone is hoarding the dead, but rather, it's a dead horde. Softwaremills ( talk) 13:53, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
In the description for episode 3, it is stated that Arya took the face of a white walker to attack the night king. Not only is there no evidence of this, but for someone's face to be taken, they have to be dead. Not only would the Night King have been made aware of this, but it must be rather difficult to take a face off of a white walker once it has been shattered to pieces by valerian steel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.26.25 ( talk) 00:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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Please add a new cast member to the 'in the north' section of characters. Bea Glancy as Teela. 2A00:23C5:5011:2A01:3886:EED5:F756:2D2 ( talk) 21:14, 25 April 2019 (UTC) 2A00:23C5:5011:2A01:3886:EED5:F756:2D2 ( talk) 21:14, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
HBO are not confirming episode titles until the episode airs this season. Both episodes shown so far have had incorrect names added to this article beforehand, and there have been multiple attempts to set the name of the third episode as "Battle for Winterfell" from dubious sources.
Episode titles for forthcoming episodes should not be added in until provided by a reliable source WP:RS and WP:Crystal. Until HBO or another verifiable source (i.e. not something like nextgot.com which is a fan site with no affiliation to Game of Thrones or HBO) provide an episode title, this should be left blank. Jonathan McLeod ( talk) 23:00, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
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"The Night King and his wights disintegrate" should read "The Night King and his White Walkers disintegrate" source: https://www.insider.com/game-of-thrones-white-walkers-wights-skeletons-difference-2017-8 Benikahn ( talk) 13:38, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
The source claiming that Edmure Tully and Robyn Arryn will appear in the premier episode is obviously fake. Please remove that. 98.187.239.5 ( talk) 17:20, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
@ TedEdwards: This is how it originally was about 10 days ago. I also want to point out that WP:TVCAST is a guideline, not a policy, but since you're eager to follow it, I just wanted to ask whether you changed the order for all of the previous seasons or not? Because I believe the general format needs to be consistent for all of these articles. Keivan.f Talk 19:24, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Editors should attempt to follow guidelines, though they are best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply; that doesn't mean "if I don't like it, ignore it", it means "if there's a reason it's not sensible to follow the guideline, don't follow it, but if there isn't a reason, follow it". So, is there a particular reason i.y.o. why this article shouldn't follow the sentence in WP:TVCAST
The cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list? -- Ted Edwards 22:27, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
The source expicitly says he would appear in the first episode, which was not the case. Please provide a source generally stating his possible appearance in this season or remove the actor from the list. -- 94.134.89.21 ( talk) 20:31, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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Under the heading 'Critical response', I have submitted a request to include a sentence about a petition which was launched to remake season 8. This further highlights how this season has been negatively received by audiences.
Change from: While the first three episodes were met with mostly positive feedback, the episodes "The Last of the Starks" and "The Bells" were criticized for their rushed pacing, writing, and deviation from critical character development, with the former being described as "anticlimactic" and "a huge letdown".[64][65][66][67][68] "The Bells" is the worst-reviewed episode of the entire series, with a Rotten Tomatoes approval of 47%.[64][69]
Change to: While the first three episodes were met with mostly positive feedback, the episodes "The Last of the Starks" and "The Bells" were criticized for their rushed pacing, writing, and deviation from critical character development, with the former being described as "anticlimactic" and "a huge letdown".[64][65][66][67][68] "The Bells" is the worst-reviewed episode of the entire series, with a Rotten Tomatoes approval of 47%.[64][69] After ‘The Bells’ aired, a petition was launched to remake season 8. [1] DaviesEmma ( talk) 11:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
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Add summary of "The Iron Throne" under Episodes section
Jon Snow and Ser Davos stop Greyworm from conitinuing his spate of war crimes. Danerys announces the launch of a campaign to emancipate all the slaves in the world. Jon Snow pretends to kiss her, but the treacherously stabs her, and feeds her to Drogon. A council is convened where Greyworm and Yara Greyjoy propose capital punishment for Jon, but Sansa, Arya and others oppose them. Bran becomes the first differently abled king with Tyrion as the hand of the king. Sansa becomes the Queen of the North, while Greyworm sends Jon to the Nights Watch. Arya leaves for Meereen to fight Daario Naharis, who suspects Bran of having used his magical three-eyed raven powers to turn Danerys into a despot, and who is expected to attempt to avenge the murder of Danerys.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.248.170.48 ( talk • contribs)
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I've removed the plot summary of the last episode, as most people haven't seen it yet. And before someone starts screaming about how there are no spoilers in Wikipedia, this isn't about that. The production company and broadcaster(s) have the right to make money on their product, and by publishing the plot of their episode bleeds potential watchers for them. Thoughts? - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 03:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Most of the money that a show makes comes from broadcasters worldwide who pay for the right to stream that show on their network (or companies like iTunes and Amazon that offer downloads of the program after it has aired). If we reveal aplot summary just because it has aired here and not everywhere, that latter group has less reason to watch the show, or purchase a download or stream. That's how we are depriving the maker of income. Its copyright infringement, and we are acting like a torrent site by posting the plot summary. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 05:56, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
I would think it deserves a mention somewhere in the article text. Зенитная Самоходная Установка ( talk) 07:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Change.org is blacklisted and petitions aren’t generally notable, especially as there is no standard for verification of identity. There’s no reason to mention it. Toa Nidhiki05 12:18, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Petitions aren’t generally notable, especially as there is no standard for verification of identity. There’s no reason to mention it.is not appropriate for this topic. Maybe you should more than one guideline. And please don't remove it again without a consensus/reasonable edit summary. Sebastian James what's the T? 12:24, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
AFAIK you’ve only insulted me,-->
don’t insult people in edit summaries again.(You are not the only person I disagreed with "concidentally", but somehow you are the only one who accuses me without a reasonable explanation.) I've already stated the meaning of the word, see above, apparently you don't know what it means. Everybody has a choice to choose the editor they want to work with and stay away from the editor they don't want. Wikipedia is full of editors, please don't try to change the issue, the problem here is you accusing falsely in the wrong place. If you have further brilliant accusations and don't want to get a block fifth time (March 2019 is the latest), go to WP:ANI or WP:IBAN. Sebastian James what's the T? 16:43, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Nobody likes to be bossed about by an editor who appears to believe that they are "superior", which is what smart ass stands for (someone who claims to be knowledgeable or an expert in something, obnoxiously dismissing the opinions, advice, suggestions, etc. of others.), and I think you should be careful about that. I'm not sure how "collaborative" will work when making a big deal about a tiny little thing and keep it going. Also don't make snide comments. ("it seems like you just can’t do it, which is kind of sad, really. But hey, you do you.") Bye. Sebastian James what's the T? 17:44, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
change.org is not reliable and petitions are generally not reported on. There’s a reason it’s blacklisted
Of course there's reason to mention it. First, plenty of reliable sources have reported on the petition, there's already now 10 of them in the article, and I'm sure more can be found. Second, at least two cast members have responded to the petition, that legitimizes it. Third, 1 million is a big number - either the petition is mostly legitimate, and many fans are displeased, or the petition is mostly bogus, and a small number of fans are going very far in their displeasure. Fourth, the response is not unexpected given that Richard Roeper, for the Chicago Sun Times, wrote I don’t think I've ever seen the level of fan vitriol leveled at GoT in recent weeks
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Not sure what's happened here, but is it possible to fix the problem with the graph detailing the Rotten Tomatoes scores for each episode? The cause seems to stem from the Episode 6 score of 4.8, as changing any of the scores to something else fixes the issue. -- Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 12:35, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
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As of today, RT suddenly has started to ignore all the episode reviews for the season and is displaying only season reviews now. What should we do? Sebastian James what's the T? 13:36, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Did archive.org save each individual page? starship .paint ( talk) 03:39, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm confused? As of right now, I'm looking at the season on RT and I can click individual episodes to see the rating, episode info and critic consensus for each. Either they changed it back or I have misunderstood what you meant by reviews. TheSameGuy ( talk) 06:38, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Jack Sebastian: For a short summary like this, you do not need to explain Bran's full title, just say he's king and readers understand enough to understand this article. The grammar error is in the sentence "Apart from Sansa asserting an independent North, the other Westerosi leaders proclaim..." The word other is erroneous, as Sansa is only mentioned in a clause. -- Ted Edwards 01:36, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The Westerosi leaders (except Sansa) proclaim Bran Stark as king, Bran accepts, granting Sansa the North's independence from his rule.Is this clear enough? starship .paint ( talk) 02:34, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The Westerosi leaders (except Sansa) proclaim Bran Stark as their king, Bran accepts; granting Sansa the North's independence from his rule.starship .paint ( talk) 02:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
New current text: The Westerosi leaders (except Sansa) proclaim Bran Stark as their king. Bran accepts, granting Sansa the North's secession
. Word count: 189.
And no one has addressed where this ambiguous 200-word count thing came from. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 03:11, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
approximately 100-200 words for each, with upwards of 350 words for complex storylines.
approximately 100–200 words for each, with upwards of 350 words for complex storylines, with the provision that articles using should not exceed 200 words in accordance with the instructions for that template.
with upwards of 350 words for complex storylineswas removed. starship .paint ( talk) 03:43, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
THere seems to be a bit of resistance to certain episode edits, hidden as they are in other, less consequential edits. .org/?title=Game_of_Thrones_(season_8)&diff=899142350&oldid=899131441I've addressed some of those, and will defend them here
Disagree? Let's talk. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 03:56, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
The Dothraki are nearly wiped out in their initial charge. This does not make any sense.
orders Missandei's beheading,- that's just an order. It doesn't say it was actually carried out.
Drogon melts the Iron Throne, then carries Daenerys' body away?
he receives House Tarly's ancestral sword as a gift from Sam?
entices Cersei to consummate their union?
Sam meets Daenerys, who reveals that she executed his father and brother?
Jaime later apologizes to Bran for crippling him; Bran replies he harbors no anger and says they are no longer the same people?
The Dothraki are nearly wiped out in their initial charge, and the Unsullied are overwhelmed.- there are so many of them left?
Jaime, Arya, and the Hound separately infiltrate King's Landing. This is inaccurate as Arya and the Hound were together. You also inserted
Daenarys. You've not been careful.
Daenerys indiscriminately begins leveling the city, burning soldiers and civilians alike.The focus here is the killing of people. Daenerys targeted people first and buildings later. She was lighting up the streets. Thus, my wording: an enraged Daenerys indiscriminately burns soldiers and civilians alike, and levels the city. : starship .paint ( talk) 05:26, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Word count as per
this version of the article:
ep 1: 172
ep 2: 171
ep 3: 176
ep 4: 193
ep 5: 179
ep 6: 198
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decimated. We did not see their deaths, and we saw a lot of them later. Changed to The Dothraki's charge is immediately repulsed.
No one is going to listen to a thing he says, much less follow his call to ring the bells to surrender the city. The point is that he is likely the only person who can get through to Cersei, both literally and figuratively.The show doesn't make sense, okay? They had bad writers. You are taking the approach that assumes it makes sense but it doesn't have to make sense. Please read/watch the show again.
starts razing the city. She doesn't see the people; they are just part of the city that was denied her peacefully. She punishes. She destroys. There might be different interpretations to why she attacked the city, but she wasn't doing it to kill the people; they were just collateral damage and incidental to her goal.- again, this is your original interpretation. What is literally seen (please rewatch the scene) is that Drogon's fire is along the streets where the people are. If Drogon were targeting the buildings, he would not keep burning the streets. Edited to an enraged Daenerys levels the city and indiscriminately burns soldiers and civilians starship .paint ( talk) 00:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
A And while we're at it, let's put the reason why Tyrion sent Jaime into Kings Landing, as well. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 03:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
The Dothraki weren't "repulsed"; at the time, it looked like they had been all but annihilated. Only at the battle of Kings Landing and the aftermath did we see any appreciable numbers of them. Repulsed doesn't accurately describe the results of their charge against the Army of the Dead. Decimate is; look it up.
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Jack Sebastian: - look at the funerals in Episode 4. We can see around 11 rows and 8 columns. Let's assume there's a further 2 columns off-screen. The nearest row of pyres have about 10 people each. The behind rows of pyres have about 30 people each. Nearest row x 10 columns x 10 people = 100 dead. Behind 10 rows x 10 columns x 30 people = 3,000 dead. Total = 3,100 dead in total. Didn't Dany have tens of thousands of Dothraki? Even 30% is not a decimation in the common sense of the word (not the Roman sense). Also, it looked like
= apparently.
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And while we're at it, let's put the reason why Tyrion sent Jaime into Kings Landing, as well. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 03:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
If you think that Daenerys has far too many people in her Dothraki and Unsullied army, you aren’t alone. Many people are wondering the same thing, since the Dothraki seemed to be wiped out mostly in the Battle of Winterfell (during “The Long Night” episode.)[6]
one by one the lights were seen to disappear as the Dothraki men appeared to be wiped out. Fans of the HBO series took to Twitter to share their shock at the Dothraki’s return with huge numbers.They were apparently but not really decimated. If you say they were apparently decimated, I'm okay. If you say they were decimated, it's not okay. starship .paint ( talk) 03:58, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
The Dothraki are seemingly decimated in their initial charge. starship .paint ( talk) 04:20, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
It looks like PNW Raven has presented a pretty good alternative. The editor offered as an alternative, "The initial Dothraki charge is decimated"; a pretty ingenious solution, if you ask me. A pity the editor isn't contributing to this discussion, - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 13:17, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
There is an issue about Sandor Clegane's name. For the purpose of the summary, he should be consistently referred to by one name, preferably "Clegane" as that is what the majority of the characters call him. He is referred to as "The Hound" indirectly. It has also been a derogatory name for him. He should also not be called "Sandor" as the only character I can think of who ever called him that was Arya at the very end. This was to show how her feelings about him had changed.
This is NOT a Game of Thrones fan site. It is an encyclopedia, so it should not be assumed that all readers are overly-familiar with this character and his various names. Suddenly switching to calling him to "The Hound" is confusing and can lead non-fans to assume it is a different character. It appears that some want to revert to calling him "The Hound" when it is juxtaposed next to "The Mountain" because it has some sort of symmetry. Gregor Glegane should probably be referred to as "Ser Gregor" as that is what he is directly called. PNW Raven ( talk) 21:47, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Clegane ... engages Gregor Clegane. This is exactly the scenario to cause the most confusion. starship .paint ( talk) 00:36, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
It is NOT known if Jaime's wounds were "mortal" as he did not die from them. He might eventually have died from them but he also could have survived. Euron's claim that he "killed" him was unsubstantiated. Maybe it is unclear to some what "mortal wound" means, but it means it would have been fatal. PNW Raven ( talk) 21:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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{{.@ Sebastian James: I invite you here for a civil discussion about whether saying the season "received mixed reviews" needs a special source. I am of the opinion it doesn't need it because a) The season reviews mentioned on the article (which I have checked) gave a range of views and b) Rotten Tomatoes cites 3 positive season reviews and 5 negative ones, which is bascially the definition of mixed. -- Ted Edwards 14:40, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
If there's disagreement about whether a source is "needed", then a source should be provided. If nothing else, it beats the heck out of arguing about whether a source is needed. It will also ensure that nobody comes along later and removes the info for being unsourced, or slaps a CN tag on it, or what-not. Why even bother arguing about the need for a source? That said, in terms of reception, is there an issue with letting the sources speak for themselves? Why must a summary be provided? DonIago ( talk) 20:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
The show’s final bow received mixed reviews from long-time fans.The second one from Mashable says
While many agree that most of the final season was a rocky, unpleasant road to go down, reactions to the series finale have been mixed. Some critics walked away unsatisfied, others had a handful of emotions, and a few felt content with how things wrapped up given the lead up to the end.Both reliable sources that together cover every aspect of "The season received mixed reviews from critics and fans alike." There is no need for citing more sources per WP:CITEKILL. Please remove the last two of them yourself. Thank you. Radiphus ( talk) 01:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Consensus was needed until the sources.. Unlike you, I didn't suggest watching Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure in the first place, no relation to the article whatsoever. Then you went full bullshit and claimed to know the guidelines and policies, while you don't even know how to write a lead for an article. Then you continued to try seek for attention on other talk pages, and even harrassed others when you had no right. There is only one "we", and it is you. Continue to think that other new sections written by me "peripherally involves you", as you did here, where you appeared out of nowhere (not surprised) and attacked another editor just because they appeared out of nowhere. It looks like you will always be a bully with a low-life. Sebastian James what's the T? 14:35, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
you even called me a "sockpuppet" only because no one agrees with you.What? Why would I call only you sockpuppet then? You weren't even involved on this discussion before. Think before you write something. You should also read WP:OR, "fresh" or "rotten" reviews cannot represent "mixed". Sebastian James what's the T? 16:45, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Jack Sebastian, to Sebastian James's point about WP:Synthesis, I don't see that the two sources left state that the season received mixed reviews. Those two sources are about the series finale receiving mixed reviews. So why do you think it's acceptable to state that the season received mixed reviews? GoneIn60 and Gonnym, any thoughts on this? And, Jack Sebastian, don't close down this subsection either. I'll just open it back up. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 10:14, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
And Doniago is also right. I'd rather not have to start an RfC on this, but I will if that WP:Synthesis is not fixed. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 10:23, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
one of the most divisive seasons of a TV show in recent memory" – Digital Spy
The show's last season...struggled to impress critics" – Screen Rant
The reviews for the final season...have been mixed to say the least" – PopCulture.com