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Some information I found sometimes contradict with Aburish so I'll list what I found here for comments. From Hussein, Adel (2000). Egypt and the Egyptians (1 ed.). Amado Publishing. ISBN 9775411173. :
There is a lot more info but what for now?-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 19:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
This book has a lot of information about Nasser's childhood. It doesn't however mention that he ever attended a Qur'aninc school. Is this certain from aburish?-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 00:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Section "Birth and childhood" now starts with info about his father and ancestors. How should it be retitled? And I'm not sure starting with "Gamal's father" would be a good paragraph start. Also the sentence "He was the first son of Fahima Hamad and Abdel Nasser Hussein who later brought Izz al-Arab and al-Leithi." could need a second opinion. Tell me what you think...-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 22:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Google has digitized issues of Life Magazine and now there are many resources detailing Nassers political career through western eyes...-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 11:45, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
When was he born? I know it's sometime between 1949 and 1952? Is there a source that lists all the children and their births. Hoda and Mona are from one source, Khaled is from one source, and Abdel-Hamid was another source. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 02:09, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Should we have articles about his books?-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 23:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
the info box at the side and the dates within the article all conflict on when nasser actually assumed power as president. please can someone find the info from a scholarly source and clarify the dates in this article? 198.103.53.5 ( talk) 18:32, 2 December 2009 (UTC)xfireworksx
He resigned on the 9th. http://encyclopedia.stateuniversity.com/pages/8182/Gamal-Abdel-Nasser.html http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/848/sc5.htm
I will work to find better sources later and then I will revise the artice. dynam001 19:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dynamo152 ( talk • contribs)
Dear Al Ameer Son, I've been busy with finals, tomorrow is my last one, here are some things that need to be verified:
Reviewer: Canadian Paul 01:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
I will be reviewing this article very shortly, but I just wanted to set up the review page now. Canadian Paul 01:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Overall, a very good article. Some comments:
There's other, more minor punctuation/grammatical issues. I've fixed a couple of them along the way, but mostly these would be concerns for a FA, rather than a GA, nomination. I may also have to go over the last few sections again after all of these issues have been cleared up, as one tends to miss/ignore more things when they've been reviewing for a long time. Anyhow, to allow for these changes to be made I am placing the article on hold for a period of up to a week. I'm always open to discussion on any of the items, so if you think I'm wrong on something leave your thoughts here and we'll discuss. I'll be checking this page at least daily, unless something comes up, so you can be sure I'll notice any comments left here. Canadian Paul 03:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
It's about time someone corrects the record and tell something about what did really go on prior to the 23rd of July,1952; The US musician and the CIA agent Miles Copeland played a major role in directing and supervising the Free Officers in their preparations for the coup. The US policy towards the Middle East during the Roosevelt administration geared towards picking the right leaders in all Arab Nations, starting by initiating series of military coups in Syria, where the power shifting from one military officer to another took place at rapid repetition, and some leaders governed for a few months before another coup sends them home or jailed them indefinitely. In Iraq, Abdulkareem Qassim led a military coup which changed Iraq's government style for decades to come, but was also taken down by another coup. He too was trialed and was found guilty of treason, and later was executed by a death squad. Nasir was picked to become Egypt's leader months before the coup, but was not scheduled to take the role of the nation's leader until Najeeb was found unfit to adhere to the CIA's agenda to the fullest measures. Nasir continued to control a balanced foreign and internal policy in Egypt until his death in the 70s. His role extended beyond the Egyptian boundaries to reach out other Arab nations like Jordan, Syria, Iraq and others, and while the US administration saw in him a favorable key Arab leader, he was seen as an Arab nationalist by Arabs, a status he achieved by unprecedented propaganda using Radio Cairo and Egypt's powerful press. His anti-American false propaganda made him sound like a hero to peoples of most of the Arab nations, coupled by his friendly approach to the Soviets, and to his leading role in the establishment of the non-alliance group of nations, added to his staged animosity to the Jewish state, all consequences showed him to be a different person to what he really was. Arabs to this day may never find him guilty of initiating a war with the Israelis that he himself could not foresee winning in any way or shape, and even when he made his address to the Egyptians upon surrendering to the Israelis, and when he assumed his fullest responsibility of the war's outcomes, Egyptians were passionate enough to demonstrate in the streets of Cairo and other Egyptians cities begging him to reconsider his decision to give up his presidency.{citation: pages 57-133, Game of Nations by Miles Copeland III. Published by Simon & Schuster, NY, 1969. ISBN 671-20532-3}
This needs verification before being displayed on the article-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 13:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I have added all the previously written transcriptions of his name, so as, I wrote DIN 31635 standard, in a hidden comment.
''{{unicode|Gamāl or Jamāl ‘Abd an-Nāṣir}}''/''{{unicode|Gamāl ‘Abd an-Nāṣir}}'' {{transl|DIN|Ǧamāl ʿAbd al-Nāṣir}} All fail to represent pronunciation
However, they all fail to transcribe or transliterate the name. There is no standard I know of which succeeds in transliterating/transcribing Egyptian Arabic phonology or at least approximating it. All the standards there: Romanization of Arabic#Comparison table are only made for Modern Standard Arabic, lacking Modern Standard Arabic pronunciation in Egypt and other regional standard pronunciations elsewhere. But, the problem is that names in Egypt aren't normally transcribed or pronounced with any of those standards ( Romanization of Arabic#Comparison table), so as those standards distort how Egyptian names are pronounced. (The same applies to other varieties of Arabic names' pronunciations)
This is how his name is normally pronounced: [ɡæˈmæːl ʕæbdenˈnɑːsˤeɾ]. Attempting to use ALA-LC standard, would be [Jamāl ‘Abd al-Nāṣir] Error: {{Transliteration}}: unrecognized language / script code: ALA-LC ( help). ALA-LC problem is, it ignores ɡ, as well as, failing to represent e. DIN 31635 also has its problems, its letter: ǧ suggests that ج has other possibilities of pronunciations rather than ɡ only, as well as, failing to represent e.
DIN 31635 or other ways might be appropriate to transliterate Modern Standard Arabic or possibly other spoken varieties of Arabic, but not all of them, especially Egyptian Arabic. The only way I found to provide proper pronunciation for Egyptian names is by IPA. -- Mahmudmasri ( talk) 12:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
The article states: "Later in 1957, Turkish troops massed along the border with Syria, accusing it of harboring PKK Rebels." but the PKK was founded 1978. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.131.159.196 ( talk) 17:25, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I have deleted this statement
Although his status as "leader of the Arabs" was badly damaged by the Israeli victory over the Arab armies in the Six-Day War, many in the general Arab population still view Nasser as a symbol of Arab dignity and freedom.
for the following reasons
now I don't want to go into an edit war just stating some points here. Nasser was not a democrat-- ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 21:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Nasser was a dictator, but he is still regarded by many Egyptians as a symbol of freedom (i.e. self-government) for his role in breaking from Britain and France and nationalising the Suez Canal. It is entirely true that his image was badly damaged by the defeat of the Arab armies in the Six Day War in 1967, together with the subsequent stalemate in the War of Attrition, but he is still praised for his earlier achievements. As for what killed him, I would imagine continuing to smoke like a chimney after suffering two heart attacks had a lot more to do with his early death than losing the Sinai. ( 92.7.25.247 ( talk) 21:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC))
He is regarded by many Arabs (mainly Palestinians and other arab nationalists) as a hero or symbolic figure for their fight against Israel and western colionazation. but for it be allowed to imply he represent's freedom is POV and utter fantasy. to say someone who TOOK AWAY many intellectual freedoms Egyptians had in terms of theory and religion (he expelled all the jews) had and turned the country into a one-party is a personification of what an Arab concieves as freedom is twisted. He does not represent freedom in any format of freedom is revision. Also the POV shouldnt be allowed. I seriously want to avoid another edit war the source from Al-Jazeera is opinionated and dreams of the revival of a dying (thank goodness!) ideology when their are many factors that contradict Lamis's opioion. -- ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 21:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
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Utterly pathetic. That whole introduction is pure unadulterated propaganda, in the style of Pravda or indeeed Al Ahram. 'Reliable sources', my foot. It's a disgrace to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.94.86 ( talk) 07:16, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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Should it not be mentioned that the election of June 1956 was massively rigged in Nasser's favour? ( 92.7.0.36 ( talk) 16:47, 14 December 2011 (UTC))
What is the mansheya incident? There's no explanation and little information on outside resources. 209.152.69.110 ( talk) 20:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
"heralded a new period of modernization, and socialist reform in Egypt together with a profound advancement of pan-Arab nationalism"
This is pure propaganda. His "modernisation" institutionalised military rule, something Egypt is still struggling to escape from. His "socialist reform" bankrupted the country, leaving it heavily dependent first on Soviet aid and now on US aid, and his "profound advancement of pan-Arab nationalism" (which is by the way a contradiction in terms, since pan-Arabism is an anti-nationalist idea) amounted to a futile war in Yemen, failed unification projects with Syria, Libya and Sudan (none of whom wanted to be ruled by the Egyptian Army), and the 1967 war, largely caused by his inflated rhetoric and resulting in total defeat. Nasser's dictatorship was the greatest disaster to befall Egypt in modern times, and while the article can't of course say that in so many words, it can at least avoid lies like the passage I have quoted. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 05:00, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, IMT. That was the immediate impression I got from reading the whole of that absurd introduction, It's a disgrace to Wikipedia. It reads like something you might find in Pravda or Isvestia, or indeed Al Ahram in October 1970. Utterly pathetic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.94.86 ( talk) 07:05, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if this has already been discussed: I have just finished trawling various Palestine related list so that names are sorted by Abdul and Abu as per Wikipedia:Categorization of people#Sort by surname. Yes, Abdul Nasser is abbriviated to Nasser by western sources - but it is not his name and is disrespectful to the man and the culture. You wouldn't think of writing about "Ben Gurion" as "Gurion"? Padres Hana ( talk) 10:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
This piece of text was reverted for the copy editing process. I'm copying it here to see whether its notable for later use:
As a result of the Suez crisis, Nasser brought in a set of sweeping regulations abolishing civil liberties and allowing the state to stage mass arrests without charge and strip away Egyptian citizenship from any group it desired; these measures were mostly directed against the Jews of Egypt.(Laskier, Michael "Egyptian Jewry under the Nasser Regime, 1956–70" pp. 573–619 from Middle Eastern Studies, Volume 31, Issue # 3, July 1995, p. 579.)As part of its new policy, 1,000 Jews were arrested and 500 Jewish businesses were seized by the government.(Laskier, Michael "Egyptian Jewry under the Nasser Regime, 1956-70" pages 573-619 from Middle Eastern Studies, Volume 31, Issue # 3, July 1995 pages 579-580.) The decree bound all Jews with relatives in Israel and those suspected as Zionist agents - nearly half of the whole community. Similar measures were enacted against British and French nationals in retaliation for the invasion. About 25,000 Jews left Egypt following the decree, urged to abandon all their property. By 1957 the Jewish population of Egypt had fallen to 15,000.( Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries. Jewishvirtuallibrary.org)
There is also generally no mention of jews in the article. I'm pretty sure most jews left Egypt during Nasser's presidency and it's worth a research one day.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 21:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
I recently reverted the insertion of an alleged statement by Nasser to an unnamed German newspaper about his serious doubt that 6 million people died in the Holocaust because it is not relevant to Nasser's legacy whatsoever, especially since this article is set for an FAC soon. Even if the details are verified, I cannot see how it could fit into the article. When we try to ensure high articles quality, and these types of random quotes (assuming it was said), we have to ask: Did the statement get serious attention by the international/domestic media to warrant mention? Did it signify or reflect a major policy decision? Did it have an effect on his domestic or foreign in anyway? The answer for each of these questions is no. Of all the things Nasser accomplished, of all his blunders, of all his policies, and quotes, and more importantly, of all of the excluded details on Nasser's impact on Egypt and his opinions on a huge range of issues and events, why is this alleged statement important enough to warrant mention in the Legacy section or anywhere in his biography? I don't want to come off as trying to whitewash history or whatever, but this is something that simply isn't a major fact or detail as it's not discussed at all by any of his biographers or the academic sources about Nasser and his rule, even the scholarly works that discuss the maligned effect of the Nasser era on Egyptian Jews or other groups (indigenous or foreign), including the source currently used in the Suez Crisis section. This article is already huge and is going through a process of trimming to keep the info tight on Nasser's person, without sacrificing important context of course. This is just a random quote carelessly attached to a section where it simply doesn't belong. If there's an article about Holocaust denial in the Arab world it could be added there, if the details are verified and attributed. -- Al Ameer ( talk) 19:31, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
( Hohum @) 20:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The article is currently an inconsistent mishmash of American and British spellings. We need consensus to choose one and then standardize the rest of the article. czar · · 04:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I have been rewriting the "Disputes with Naguib" section with more info from the Kandil source because Kandil devotes far more detail on this juncture than Aburish. Aburish generalized the events of 1953-54 to the point that some of the info was not fully accurate. About the Sudan, this has been an issue that's come to my attention since the peer review. I've now determined from the sources (including Jankowski and a number of online books on google) that on the Sudan, Nasser and Naguib's opinions were more-or-less harmonious. Both favored offering Sudan the right to self-determination, partially as a tactical step in their negotiations with the British regarding the canal withdrawal (the British were strongly opposed to historical Egyptian claims on Sudan) and partially as a realization that keeping the highly sectarian and impoverished Sudan would be a burden on Egypt. Both were familiar about the Sudanese' Nonetheless, all in the RCC agreed (at least privately) that Egypt should maintain some sort of hegemony over Sudan. In February 1953 Sudan was given the right to self-determination and referenda was held in Sudan in 1956, not 1954 as Aburish implies. In any case, the Sudan issue was not a matter of dispute between Nasser and Naguib, but somewhere in the article (maybe the same section or the 1952 revolution) we should have a line or two on it, since it's an important issue in its own right. -- Al Ameer ( talk) 02:39, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Thought it'd be easier to add bullets here instead of making separate sections.
czar · · 04:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
✓ -- Al Ameer ( talk) 19:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
If this article is taken to FAC, the following partial spot-check of printed sources may be of use. See the exchange here:
Happy to do a wider review for FAC if wanted. – Tim riley ( talk) 12:50, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
One of the main criticisms I always here about Nasser outside the Arab world is criticism of his position against Israel. Considering this is definitely a prominent view outside the Arab world I find it odd that there is no criticism of his behavior towards Israel. Surely it wouldn't be undue to mention this sort of criticism in the legacy section? Stumink ( talk) 15:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
The "Six day war" section presents Nasser as a weak person who followed Amer, the strong man and the real leader. This is humiliating for Nasser followers, and it is not true according to other historians. The section is based on Kandil. Is he an wp:rs? Ykantor ( talk) 22:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Please keep this section for quotes only.
-The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences, Avi Shlaim, William Roger Louis - 2012 , page 7, 106
Nasser responded by taking three successive steps which made war virtually inevitable: he deployed his troops in Sinai near Israel's border, he expelled the United Nations Emergency Force from Sinai, and, on 22 May, he closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping. [1]
-Gordon2012,Nasser: Hero of the Arab Nation, p68
Nasser responded on 18 May, demanding full withdrawal of UNEF forces. After that, the rush to war was unavoidable'....(4 June) Iraq joined the Egyptian= Jordanian defense alliance and other front line states- Algeria, Libia, the Sudan and Kuwait- reportedly began mobilizing troops to join the coalition [2]
-Gluska2007page-xv, The Israeli Military and the Origins of the 1967 War: Government, Armed Forces and Defence Policy 1963–67
The dynamics of the situation- the mass psychosis, concentration of forces and Egyptian blockade of the Tiran straits- renderd war inevitable- [3]
-John W. Young, John Kent - 2013 , International Relations Since 1945 - Page 265, -
When Nasser insisted on the withdrawal of UN peacekeeping forces from Sinai on I 6 May fears of a major attack appeared to be confirmed. Nasser ... His determination to crush the Israelis was further demonstrated by his blockade of the Straits of Tiran on 23 May after the UN forces had left, which made an Israeli response unavoidable'; hence the surprise Israeli attack on Egyptian and Syrian airfields [4]
-Mark A. Tessler - 1994, A History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - Page 392. -
Yet in taking this step, Nasser and other Egyptian leaders understood that it would be considered a casus belli by Israel. ... Indeed, a number of senior Egyptian officials rightly concluded at the time that closing the strait to Israel made war inevitable. [5]
-Zaki Shalom - 2012, The Role of US Diplomacy in the Lead-up to the Six Day ... - Page 123, -
. ... Nasser's decision to blockade the Straits of Tiran seemed to have been the straw that broke the camel's back. [6]
-Malcolm H. Kerr - 1975, Elusive Peace in the Middle East - Page 283, -
By demanding recall of the UN Emergency Force, declaring a blockade of the Straits of Tiran, and moving his army into Sinai, Nasser had made "the war nobody wanted" almost inevitable [7]
-Yaacov Ro'i, Boris Morozov - 2008, The Soviet Union and the June 1967 Six Day War - Page 126, -
Later on at the ... In the course of the discussion it became known that the closure of the straits applied specifically to tankers transporting oil to Israel. The General Staff rapidly came to the conclusion that this Egyptian step required Israel to declare war at once, without waiting for further developments. Assuming that war was inevitable, the DMI was immediately requested to [8]
-Eric Hammel - 2001, Six Days in June: How Israel Won the 1967 Arab-Israeli War - Page 29, -
It just so happened that the bluff President Gamal Abdel Nasser commenced on May 13, 1967, ensured that the inevitable war would commence sooner rather than later. By the time Nasser decided, and from then on, all the rest was byplay [9]
-Burton Ira Kaufman - 1996 , The Arab Middle East and the United States: inter-Arab ... - Page 54, -
In closing the strait to Israeli shipping, Nasser turned an increasingly dangerous situation in the Middle East into a full-blown diplomatic crisis and probably made a third Arab-Israeli war inevitable. [10]
-Anita Shapira - 2007 , Yigal Allon, Native Son: A Biography - Page 309, -
On 23 May Nasser seized Sharm al-Sheikh and closed the Straits of Tiran. War looked inevitable. [11]
-Kenneth Dombroski - 2007, Peacekeeping in the Middle East as an International Regime - Page 67, -
UNEF was not an international security garantee, but a trip-wire. Removal of that trip-wire signaled Israel that it was on its own. War was inevitable; the only question remaining was who would strike first. [12] Ykantor ( talk) 22:06, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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Nasser responded on 18 May, demanding full withdrawal of UNEF forces. After that, the rush to war was unavoidable'....(4 June) Iraq joined the Egyptian= Jordanian defense alliance and other front line states- Algeria, Libia, the Sudan and Kuwait- reportedly began mobilizing troops to join the coalition
The dynamics of the situation- the mass psychosis, concentration of forces and Egyptian blockade of the Tiran straits- renderd war inevitable.
Regarding my removal of material recently added to the article, the material goes against both WP:NPOV and WP:OR.
The line about Nasser's apparent dismissal of the number of victims of the Holocaust is mentioned in the Suez Crisis section of the article following the sentence about Nasser's expulsions of foreigners, including foreign Jews and even some Egyptian Jews. What does that quote have to do with the section or passage at hand? At best, it implies a correlation between Nasser's questioning of the Holocaust and the expulsions, but that is a correlation made by the editor instead of the sources, making it original research, which is not allowed in a wikipedia article (especially one that's been rated as a "Good Article".) In the worst case, it's just a random quote thrown into a random section. The reasons for the expulsions of British, Frenchmen and some Jews was directly related to the Suez War not the Holocaust.
As for the Six-Day War section:
Nasser took 3 successive steps that made the war virtually ineviteable: On 14 May he deployed his troops in Sinai near the border with Israel, On 19 May expelled the UN peacekeepers stationed in the Sinai Peninsula border with Israel, and on 23 May closed Tiran straits to Israeli shipping.
Nasser dismissed all rational analysis of the situation and took a series of irrational decisions. The compounded effect of these decisions was that it became impossible for Nasser to slow down or back out, resulting in the Israeli preemptive strike on 5 June.
In both passages, we are taking up the role of historians instead of editors. On top of that, we are blatantly stating the Israeli point of view instead of a neutral point of view by plainly asserting that Nasser "made the war inevitable" and that Nasser was irrational and dismissed rational analysis which resulted in Israel launching a "preemptive strike." This is unacceptable for a quality article or any article. This is why it was removed. Other material that was removed was taken out because it was already mentioned in the section and therefore redundant. -- Al Ameer ( talk) 07:22, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
"Historian Abd al-Azim Ramadan wrote that Nasser was an irrational and irresponsible leader, blaming his inclination to solitary decision making for Egypt's losses during the Suez War, among other events.[101] According to Ismail Fahmi, Nasser single handedly dismissed all rational analysis of the situation and took a series of irrational decisions. The result was the Israeli preemptive strike on 5 June, leading to an Egyptian defeat"
It seems that your version is supported by Kandil (only?) while I have quoted plenty of wp:rs. As we have to adhere to the rules, According to WP:BALANCE :"Neutrality assigns weight to viewpoints in proportion to their prominence.", as it is already quoted here. Hence the article should reflect both versions, but "assigns weight to viewpoints in proportion to their prominence." Ykantor ( talk) 06:35, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences books.google.com/books?isbn=1107002362 Avi Shlaim, William Roger Louis - 2012 - H According to two of those present at the 22 May meeting, Nasser said then that the blockade would make war 100 percent certain – although in his speech of 23 July, Nasser claimed his actual estimate at that time was 50 percent to 80 percent. [1]
- http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/nassers_challenge-martin-gilbert.htm Following Nasser's speech of May 26, one of his close allies, Mohammed Heykal, wrote in the Cairo newspaper Al-Ahram that an armed clash between Israel and Egypt was `inevitable. It would come because of the inexorable logic of the situation: Ykantor ( talk) 22:06, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Jeremy Bowen,Six Days: How the 1967 War Shaped the Middle East, 2012,pages=66,67; (p.66 )"He tried to convince Amer and Nasser that Israel was too strong and that they were risking a disaster. Don't worry, they told him. We know what we're doing. Nasser and Hussein were fatalistic. Both of them said, apparently sincerely,that whether, the battle was lost or won, they could not shy away from the fight. Arab dignity demanded nothing less. (The CIA commented that 'dignity has unquestionably become an overriding priority in the scale of Arab considerations'.)...(p.67)... Hussein, though, was not deluded by his new fans ... 'I knew that war was inevitable. I knew that we were going to lose." [2]
(p.66 )"He tried to convince Amer and Nasser that Israel was too strong and that they were risking a disaster. Don't worry, they told him. We know what we're doing. Nasser and Hussein were fatalistic. Both of them said, apparently sincerely,that whether, the battle was lost or won, they could not shy away from the fight. Arab dignity demanded nothing less. (The CIA commented that 'dignity has unquestionably become an overriding priority in the scale of Arab considerations'.)...(p.67)... Hussein, though, was not deluded by his new fans ... 'I knew that war was inevitable. I knew that we were going to lose"
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Hi, regarding your changes to the lead of Gamal Abdel Nasser, I reverted them because they repeat what's already stated in the lead (not just the body of the article). The lead is already quite long, and if anything it might need to be shortened a bit (without sacrificing important info or structure). I understand your intention here, but the summary-within-summary is unnecessary and makes the lead even longer than it should be. Also, there's too many generalities and contestable descriptions in the summary you added, but that's another matter.
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Here is the problem. We have a six paragraph lede with details on constitutions, presidential terms, summits, domestic policies, foreign policies, etc. But Abdel Nasser has been dead for 45 years and many people searching his name on the internet are not Egyptian or even Arab and do not know who he is. We need a quick description of why Abdel Nasser was famous. which I believe is a policy of
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Responding to an IP's recent edit, the lead intro passage has been discussed above. Also, what "massive Soviet intervention in the Middle East" did Nasser "sponsor"? Nasser pursued a neutralist (although arguably Soviet-leaning) policy in the Cold War until 1967 when he abandoned that path and entered into far closer relations with the Soviets. However, he did not sponsor any Soviet interventions into the Middle East. The only thing that would be remotely close to that was his request for Soviet advisers and a Soviet restock of Egyptian arsenals after the '67 losses. Please rely on neutral, scholarly sources for this kind of information. Also, we're intent on keeping the lead short (it already long enough as is). Adding details about Nasser's 1956 inauguration is unnecessary. It's sufficient to say that after ousting President Naguib in 1954 he officially became president in June 1956. The referendum that confirmed him was likely a sham, Nasser was not a democrat and we don't mention the other referendums (also likely shams) that confirmed Nasser in power in the 1960s. That's not to say Nasser's popularity wasn't of legendary proportions. The lead should remain as brief summary of the article body. -- Al Ameer ( talk) 20:57, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
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I don't really see how he fits anti-communist. He was allied with Cuba, Yugoslavia, USSR, etc. Cinefan Cinefan ( talk) 22:05, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
@ WookieInHeat: The information you inserted is virtually a repetition and not an improvement of what’s already in the Early life section:
It was in Alexandria that Nasser became involved in political activism.[9][13] After witnessing clashes between protesters and police in Manshia Square,[10] he joined the demonstration without being aware of its purpose.[14] The protest, organized by the ultranationalist Young Egypt Society, called for the end of colonialism in Egypt in the wake of the 1923 Egyptian constitution's annulment by Prime Minister Isma'il Sidqi.[10] Nasser was arrested and detained for a night[15] before his father bailed him out.[9] Nasser joined the group for a brief period in 1934.[16][17][18] His association with the group and active role in student demonstrations during this period "imbued him with a fierce Egyptian nationalism", according to the historian James Jankowski.
—Minus the added “similar to the Nazi Party” polemic, which may be relevant to the article on the Green Shirts and Young Egypt, but not to this article. This added polemic suggests, without sufficient proof, that Nasser joined out of sympathy to fascism or Nazism when the scholarly sources note he joined briefly during his activist youth and was attracted to its Egyptian ultranationalist approach to fight against the British interest in Egypt. It also has nothing to do with his military career. — Al Ameer ( talk) 16:09, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
"Or by labeling the UAR ultranationalist and the result of an alliance with a Nazi aligned party and somehow relating that his brief membership in an ultranationalist organization while he was a teenager: it all reads as synthesis or original research"
"I’m not even sure paramilitary is the appropriate or accurate term because he was merely a student activist involved in street protests"
Like I mentioned above, the inclusion of one source doesn't preclude the inclusion of other sources, this is a non-argument. And attack the Asia Times article or Marc Erikson if you like, it's not like there aren't other sources which say roughly the same thing. The existing sources for the section about Young Egypt are books, some of which are out of print and not easily accessible, we just have to take Al Ameer's word about what's in them. After a bit of digging, it appears Nasser was in the Green Shirts from 1934-1936, two years is hardly the insignificant amount of time Al Ameer is representing it as, and it's questionable if the existing sources actually support his claim. Anyway, the things you guys are trying to change the focus to here aren't really what's being debated. What is being debated is this article soft-peddling that Nasser joined a fascist political party with ambiguous language about "ultranationalism," and trying to obscure his participation in a unsavory paramilitary group by conflating it with his participation in student protests, which are two separate things. WookieInHeat ( talk) 10:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Al Ameer ( talk) 15:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)There isn’t even a hint that he ever acted on orders from the party, nor was its fiery leader, the uneducated rabble-rouser Ahmed Hussein, his type of man.
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Nableezy: actually nasser.org is already used extensively as a source throughout this article, including in the section we're discussing.
After witnessing clashes between protesters and police in Manshia Square,[10] ... 10.^abcdefghijklmn Abdel Nasser, Hoda. "A Historical Sketch of Gamal Abdel Nasser". Bibliotheca Alexandrina. Retrieved 23 July 2013. [*Note that nasser.org and nasser.bibalex.org are the same site
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Al Ameer son:'s quote from Aburish's book above; Aburish is clearly an admirer of his subject, using his biography as the basis for Nasser's Wiki article, while trying to use it to exclude other sources that are more objective, is like citing a biography of Stalin by a Soviet scholar which glosses over the Holodomor Famine, while trying to exclude other sources which address that topic from his article. In
his Wiki article he even refers to his own works as "revisionist history" according to NYT. His books are dramatized novels playing to an audience, they are not historical scholarship.
I managed to find most of the existing sources, and pinned down the exact years of Nasser's involvement with the Green Shirts, which concur with the nasser.org article's time frame of 1934-36. The Wafd Blue Shirt vs Green Shirt clashes I previously wrote into the article turned out to be not entirely accurate. The Blue Shirts were only created in 1936, it's possible Nasser was involved in some violence with them, but I haven't seen any sources the explicitly state this. The Green Shirt violence Nasser was actually involved in were student anti-Wafd demonstrations, where they fought with police (this is, at least partially, where his police record of "anti-govt protest" that initially hindered his entrance to the Military Academy stems from).
The Young Egypt Society was, as its name suggests, a youth political movement, its members were nearly all students. In a previous version of this article I discovered it once stated Nasser was "elected the chairman of Young Egypt," which is obviously incorrect. Nasser was elected chairman, but of a student union at his school.
"El Nahda school had a reputation for playing a leading part in schoolboy and student demonstrations. Towards the end of his time there Nasser was in the forefront of the demonstrations and was chairman of the executive committee of Cairo secondary school school students. During his last full school year between 1935 and 1936 Nasser was so involved in politics that he spent only forty-five days actually in school." - Stephens (1972) pg 32
According to another book by James P. Jankowski (who has a book cited in this article) specifically regarding Young Egypt, it seems these student unions existed in schools around the country - one of which Nasser was the chairman of - and were more or less the Green Shirt arms of Young Egypt.
"For three days in succession after Sir Samuel Hoare's speech, Nasser organized secondary school student demonstrations in Cairo in conjunction with university students. The police opened fire and two students were killed and many arrested. A bullet from a British police officer's revolver scored Nasser's forehead, leaving a permanent scar." - Stephens, 1972
"As a teen-ager, Nasser came into contact with the Young Egypt Society whose ideas were socialist, romantic and strongly religious. Indeed, at 17, Nasser was injured in a political demonstration. The newspapers reported that several students had been killed and that the leader of the attack, Gamal Abdel Nasser, had been wounded in the head." - A. F. Madsen, M.Ed. [this source was previously used in the article]
Ironically what that last source alludes to - that Nasser was leading a Green Shirt demo when those students were killed and his forehead was grazed by a bullet - is clarified by Aburish, on the same page of his book Al Ameer quoted from above:
"In February 1936, Gamal was wounded during a demonstration the purpose of which, except for being anti-British, escaped him in later years. The wound, which he earned when the students tried to cross Cairo's Al Rodah Bridge to the other side of the Nile, was superficial, but it won him a mention in the press, and a baptism of fire. He was also jailed for two days. Most of the people arrested with him belonged to the fascist Young Egypt, or Misr al-Fatat, the Egyptian Green shirts of the 1930s. In fact, some historians claim he joined the party in 1933 Whether or not he joined the party cannot be verified and is not important except to denote a restless state of mind. There isn't even a hint that he ever acted on orders from the party, nor was its fiery leader, the uneducated rabble-rouser Ahmed Hussein, his type of man." - Aburish, 2004
Nasser wasn't merely involved in student demonstrations, he was organizing and leading violent anti-Wafd Green Shirt clashes with police, one in which students died.
Before you start telling me this is synthesis, I'm aware I'm drawing a larger picture by connecting dots from multiple sources (although there are existing sources I've not seen full versions of yet, and other books I've become aware of that could give a more detailed picture of Nasser during this period, so that could change). The purpose of this is simply to disprove the notion Young Egypt was some minor footnote of Nasser's youth that occurred "briefly" in 1934, it was clearly more significant than that.
That said, some of this could certainly be included without even adding any additional sources. Such as Nasser being elected chairman of his school's student union and subsequently leading it in violent anti-govt demonstrations which resulted in deaths (seems particularly relevant in a biography about a man who later became president by overthrowing said govt in a coup), and being arrested on more than one occasion. The way it's currently written makes it sound like Nasser just inadvertently got caught up in some student demonstrations, got arrested once, and didn't really have a clue what any of it was all about, which is obviously not the case.
To add, as you intended, that the Green Shirts (who were also pro-royalist) often clashed with the pro-loyalist Wafdists or that it was Nazi-inspired would not only be giving undue weight, but it would misleadingly allude that Nasser participated in such clashes
No, this would not be misleading at all. Not only did Nasser participate in such clashes, he was leading them. This isn't the Nasser fan club, our job isn't to whitewash his image or determine his feelings about fascism, our job is to represent facts. And the fact is, he was a member of a fascist political/paramilitary group for two years - which is currently being obscured behind vague language about "ultranationalism" - and was undoubtedly involved in some violence during that period (he has the scars to prove it), which are not being represented in an accurate or forthright manner currently.
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On 13 November 1935, Nasser led a student demonstration against British rule, protesting against a statement made four days prior by UK foreign minister Samuel Hoare that rejected prospects for the 1923 Constitution's restoration.[10] Two protesters were killed and Nasser received a graze to the head from a policeman's bullet.[15] The incident garnered his first mention in the press: the nationalist newspaper Al Gihad reported that Nasser led the protest and was among the wounded.[10][21] On 12 December, the new king, Farouk, issued a decree restoring the constitution.[10] [break] Nasser's involvement in political activity increased throughout his school years, such that he only attended 45 days of classes during his last year of secondary school.[22][23] Despite it having the almost unanimous backing of Egypt's political forces, Nasser strongly objected to the 1936 Anglo-Egyptian Treaty because it stipulated the continued presence of British military bases in the country.[10] Nonetheless, political unrest in Egypt declined significantly and Nasser resumed his studies at al-Nahda,[22] where he received his leaving certificate later that year.
This page says "In January 1955, the RCC appointed him [Nasser] as their president, pending national elections."
On /info/en/?search=List_of_presidents_of_Egypt the table gives Nasser as becoming Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council on 14 November 1954.
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Remove the nassers' home town of alexandria from the Abdeen Palace incident. Abdeen Palace is in Cairo not alexandria 197.246.75.96 ( talk) 23:04, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Nasser became President in 1956 as stated multiple times in the article yet in the opening sentence it states he served as President beginning in 1954. Is there a reason for this discrepancy, and if not can someone fix it so there is no confusion? This very well could have already been addressed so apologies if this is a redundant discussion.
99.163.124.27 ( talk) 23:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC) Edit: I think I figured it out. He began serving as president in 1954, but wasn't officially elected to the position until 1956. Is that right?
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Some information I found sometimes contradict with Aburish so I'll list what I found here for comments. From Hussein, Adel (2000). Egypt and the Egyptians (1 ed.). Amado Publishing. ISBN 9775411173. :
There is a lot more info but what for now?-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 19:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
This book has a lot of information about Nasser's childhood. It doesn't however mention that he ever attended a Qur'aninc school. Is this certain from aburish?-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 00:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Section "Birth and childhood" now starts with info about his father and ancestors. How should it be retitled? And I'm not sure starting with "Gamal's father" would be a good paragraph start. Also the sentence "He was the first son of Fahima Hamad and Abdel Nasser Hussein who later brought Izz al-Arab and al-Leithi." could need a second opinion. Tell me what you think...-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 22:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Google has digitized issues of Life Magazine and now there are many resources detailing Nassers political career through western eyes...-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 11:45, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
When was he born? I know it's sometime between 1949 and 1952? Is there a source that lists all the children and their births. Hoda and Mona are from one source, Khaled is from one source, and Abdel-Hamid was another source. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 02:09, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Should we have articles about his books?-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 23:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
the info box at the side and the dates within the article all conflict on when nasser actually assumed power as president. please can someone find the info from a scholarly source and clarify the dates in this article? 198.103.53.5 ( talk) 18:32, 2 December 2009 (UTC)xfireworksx
He resigned on the 9th. http://encyclopedia.stateuniversity.com/pages/8182/Gamal-Abdel-Nasser.html http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/848/sc5.htm
I will work to find better sources later and then I will revise the artice. dynam001 19:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dynamo152 ( talk • contribs)
Dear Al Ameer Son, I've been busy with finals, tomorrow is my last one, here are some things that need to be verified:
Reviewer: Canadian Paul 01:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
I will be reviewing this article very shortly, but I just wanted to set up the review page now. Canadian Paul 01:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Overall, a very good article. Some comments:
There's other, more minor punctuation/grammatical issues. I've fixed a couple of them along the way, but mostly these would be concerns for a FA, rather than a GA, nomination. I may also have to go over the last few sections again after all of these issues have been cleared up, as one tends to miss/ignore more things when they've been reviewing for a long time. Anyhow, to allow for these changes to be made I am placing the article on hold for a period of up to a week. I'm always open to discussion on any of the items, so if you think I'm wrong on something leave your thoughts here and we'll discuss. I'll be checking this page at least daily, unless something comes up, so you can be sure I'll notice any comments left here. Canadian Paul 03:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
It's about time someone corrects the record and tell something about what did really go on prior to the 23rd of July,1952; The US musician and the CIA agent Miles Copeland played a major role in directing and supervising the Free Officers in their preparations for the coup. The US policy towards the Middle East during the Roosevelt administration geared towards picking the right leaders in all Arab Nations, starting by initiating series of military coups in Syria, where the power shifting from one military officer to another took place at rapid repetition, and some leaders governed for a few months before another coup sends them home or jailed them indefinitely. In Iraq, Abdulkareem Qassim led a military coup which changed Iraq's government style for decades to come, but was also taken down by another coup. He too was trialed and was found guilty of treason, and later was executed by a death squad. Nasir was picked to become Egypt's leader months before the coup, but was not scheduled to take the role of the nation's leader until Najeeb was found unfit to adhere to the CIA's agenda to the fullest measures. Nasir continued to control a balanced foreign and internal policy in Egypt until his death in the 70s. His role extended beyond the Egyptian boundaries to reach out other Arab nations like Jordan, Syria, Iraq and others, and while the US administration saw in him a favorable key Arab leader, he was seen as an Arab nationalist by Arabs, a status he achieved by unprecedented propaganda using Radio Cairo and Egypt's powerful press. His anti-American false propaganda made him sound like a hero to peoples of most of the Arab nations, coupled by his friendly approach to the Soviets, and to his leading role in the establishment of the non-alliance group of nations, added to his staged animosity to the Jewish state, all consequences showed him to be a different person to what he really was. Arabs to this day may never find him guilty of initiating a war with the Israelis that he himself could not foresee winning in any way or shape, and even when he made his address to the Egyptians upon surrendering to the Israelis, and when he assumed his fullest responsibility of the war's outcomes, Egyptians were passionate enough to demonstrate in the streets of Cairo and other Egyptians cities begging him to reconsider his decision to give up his presidency.{citation: pages 57-133, Game of Nations by Miles Copeland III. Published by Simon & Schuster, NY, 1969. ISBN 671-20532-3}
This needs verification before being displayed on the article-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 13:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I have added all the previously written transcriptions of his name, so as, I wrote DIN 31635 standard, in a hidden comment.
''{{unicode|Gamāl or Jamāl ‘Abd an-Nāṣir}}''/''{{unicode|Gamāl ‘Abd an-Nāṣir}}'' {{transl|DIN|Ǧamāl ʿAbd al-Nāṣir}} All fail to represent pronunciation
However, they all fail to transcribe or transliterate the name. There is no standard I know of which succeeds in transliterating/transcribing Egyptian Arabic phonology or at least approximating it. All the standards there: Romanization of Arabic#Comparison table are only made for Modern Standard Arabic, lacking Modern Standard Arabic pronunciation in Egypt and other regional standard pronunciations elsewhere. But, the problem is that names in Egypt aren't normally transcribed or pronounced with any of those standards ( Romanization of Arabic#Comparison table), so as those standards distort how Egyptian names are pronounced. (The same applies to other varieties of Arabic names' pronunciations)
This is how his name is normally pronounced: [ɡæˈmæːl ʕæbdenˈnɑːsˤeɾ]. Attempting to use ALA-LC standard, would be [Jamāl ‘Abd al-Nāṣir] Error: {{Transliteration}}: unrecognized language / script code: ALA-LC ( help). ALA-LC problem is, it ignores ɡ, as well as, failing to represent e. DIN 31635 also has its problems, its letter: ǧ suggests that ج has other possibilities of pronunciations rather than ɡ only, as well as, failing to represent e.
DIN 31635 or other ways might be appropriate to transliterate Modern Standard Arabic or possibly other spoken varieties of Arabic, but not all of them, especially Egyptian Arabic. The only way I found to provide proper pronunciation for Egyptian names is by IPA. -- Mahmudmasri ( talk) 12:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
The article states: "Later in 1957, Turkish troops massed along the border with Syria, accusing it of harboring PKK Rebels." but the PKK was founded 1978. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.131.159.196 ( talk) 17:25, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I have deleted this statement
Although his status as "leader of the Arabs" was badly damaged by the Israeli victory over the Arab armies in the Six-Day War, many in the general Arab population still view Nasser as a symbol of Arab dignity and freedom.
for the following reasons
now I don't want to go into an edit war just stating some points here. Nasser was not a democrat-- ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 21:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Nasser was a dictator, but he is still regarded by many Egyptians as a symbol of freedom (i.e. self-government) for his role in breaking from Britain and France and nationalising the Suez Canal. It is entirely true that his image was badly damaged by the defeat of the Arab armies in the Six Day War in 1967, together with the subsequent stalemate in the War of Attrition, but he is still praised for his earlier achievements. As for what killed him, I would imagine continuing to smoke like a chimney after suffering two heart attacks had a lot more to do with his early death than losing the Sinai. ( 92.7.25.247 ( talk) 21:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC))
He is regarded by many Arabs (mainly Palestinians and other arab nationalists) as a hero or symbolic figure for their fight against Israel and western colionazation. but for it be allowed to imply he represent's freedom is POV and utter fantasy. to say someone who TOOK AWAY many intellectual freedoms Egyptians had in terms of theory and religion (he expelled all the jews) had and turned the country into a one-party is a personification of what an Arab concieves as freedom is twisted. He does not represent freedom in any format of freedom is revision. Also the POV shouldnt be allowed. I seriously want to avoid another edit war the source from Al-Jazeera is opinionated and dreams of the revival of a dying (thank goodness!) ideology when their are many factors that contradict Lamis's opioion. -- ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 21:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
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Utterly pathetic. That whole introduction is pure unadulterated propaganda, in the style of Pravda or indeeed Al Ahram. 'Reliable sources', my foot. It's a disgrace to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.94.86 ( talk) 07:16, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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Should it not be mentioned that the election of June 1956 was massively rigged in Nasser's favour? ( 92.7.0.36 ( talk) 16:47, 14 December 2011 (UTC))
What is the mansheya incident? There's no explanation and little information on outside resources. 209.152.69.110 ( talk) 20:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
"heralded a new period of modernization, and socialist reform in Egypt together with a profound advancement of pan-Arab nationalism"
This is pure propaganda. His "modernisation" institutionalised military rule, something Egypt is still struggling to escape from. His "socialist reform" bankrupted the country, leaving it heavily dependent first on Soviet aid and now on US aid, and his "profound advancement of pan-Arab nationalism" (which is by the way a contradiction in terms, since pan-Arabism is an anti-nationalist idea) amounted to a futile war in Yemen, failed unification projects with Syria, Libya and Sudan (none of whom wanted to be ruled by the Egyptian Army), and the 1967 war, largely caused by his inflated rhetoric and resulting in total defeat. Nasser's dictatorship was the greatest disaster to befall Egypt in modern times, and while the article can't of course say that in so many words, it can at least avoid lies like the passage I have quoted. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 05:00, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, IMT. That was the immediate impression I got from reading the whole of that absurd introduction, It's a disgrace to Wikipedia. It reads like something you might find in Pravda or Isvestia, or indeed Al Ahram in October 1970. Utterly pathetic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.94.86 ( talk) 07:05, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if this has already been discussed: I have just finished trawling various Palestine related list so that names are sorted by Abdul and Abu as per Wikipedia:Categorization of people#Sort by surname. Yes, Abdul Nasser is abbriviated to Nasser by western sources - but it is not his name and is disrespectful to the man and the culture. You wouldn't think of writing about "Ben Gurion" as "Gurion"? Padres Hana ( talk) 10:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
This piece of text was reverted for the copy editing process. I'm copying it here to see whether its notable for later use:
As a result of the Suez crisis, Nasser brought in a set of sweeping regulations abolishing civil liberties and allowing the state to stage mass arrests without charge and strip away Egyptian citizenship from any group it desired; these measures were mostly directed against the Jews of Egypt.(Laskier, Michael "Egyptian Jewry under the Nasser Regime, 1956–70" pp. 573–619 from Middle Eastern Studies, Volume 31, Issue # 3, July 1995, p. 579.)As part of its new policy, 1,000 Jews were arrested and 500 Jewish businesses were seized by the government.(Laskier, Michael "Egyptian Jewry under the Nasser Regime, 1956-70" pages 573-619 from Middle Eastern Studies, Volume 31, Issue # 3, July 1995 pages 579-580.) The decree bound all Jews with relatives in Israel and those suspected as Zionist agents - nearly half of the whole community. Similar measures were enacted against British and French nationals in retaliation for the invasion. About 25,000 Jews left Egypt following the decree, urged to abandon all their property. By 1957 the Jewish population of Egypt had fallen to 15,000.( Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries. Jewishvirtuallibrary.org)
There is also generally no mention of jews in the article. I'm pretty sure most jews left Egypt during Nasser's presidency and it's worth a research one day.-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 21:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
I recently reverted the insertion of an alleged statement by Nasser to an unnamed German newspaper about his serious doubt that 6 million people died in the Holocaust because it is not relevant to Nasser's legacy whatsoever, especially since this article is set for an FAC soon. Even if the details are verified, I cannot see how it could fit into the article. When we try to ensure high articles quality, and these types of random quotes (assuming it was said), we have to ask: Did the statement get serious attention by the international/domestic media to warrant mention? Did it signify or reflect a major policy decision? Did it have an effect on his domestic or foreign in anyway? The answer for each of these questions is no. Of all the things Nasser accomplished, of all his blunders, of all his policies, and quotes, and more importantly, of all of the excluded details on Nasser's impact on Egypt and his opinions on a huge range of issues and events, why is this alleged statement important enough to warrant mention in the Legacy section or anywhere in his biography? I don't want to come off as trying to whitewash history or whatever, but this is something that simply isn't a major fact or detail as it's not discussed at all by any of his biographers or the academic sources about Nasser and his rule, even the scholarly works that discuss the maligned effect of the Nasser era on Egyptian Jews or other groups (indigenous or foreign), including the source currently used in the Suez Crisis section. This article is already huge and is going through a process of trimming to keep the info tight on Nasser's person, without sacrificing important context of course. This is just a random quote carelessly attached to a section where it simply doesn't belong. If there's an article about Holocaust denial in the Arab world it could be added there, if the details are verified and attributed. -- Al Ameer ( talk) 19:31, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
( Hohum @) 20:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The article is currently an inconsistent mishmash of American and British spellings. We need consensus to choose one and then standardize the rest of the article. czar · · 04:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I have been rewriting the "Disputes with Naguib" section with more info from the Kandil source because Kandil devotes far more detail on this juncture than Aburish. Aburish generalized the events of 1953-54 to the point that some of the info was not fully accurate. About the Sudan, this has been an issue that's come to my attention since the peer review. I've now determined from the sources (including Jankowski and a number of online books on google) that on the Sudan, Nasser and Naguib's opinions were more-or-less harmonious. Both favored offering Sudan the right to self-determination, partially as a tactical step in their negotiations with the British regarding the canal withdrawal (the British were strongly opposed to historical Egyptian claims on Sudan) and partially as a realization that keeping the highly sectarian and impoverished Sudan would be a burden on Egypt. Both were familiar about the Sudanese' Nonetheless, all in the RCC agreed (at least privately) that Egypt should maintain some sort of hegemony over Sudan. In February 1953 Sudan was given the right to self-determination and referenda was held in Sudan in 1956, not 1954 as Aburish implies. In any case, the Sudan issue was not a matter of dispute between Nasser and Naguib, but somewhere in the article (maybe the same section or the 1952 revolution) we should have a line or two on it, since it's an important issue in its own right. -- Al Ameer ( talk) 02:39, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Thought it'd be easier to add bullets here instead of making separate sections.
czar · · 04:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
✓ -- Al Ameer ( talk) 19:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
If this article is taken to FAC, the following partial spot-check of printed sources may be of use. See the exchange here:
Happy to do a wider review for FAC if wanted. – Tim riley ( talk) 12:50, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
One of the main criticisms I always here about Nasser outside the Arab world is criticism of his position against Israel. Considering this is definitely a prominent view outside the Arab world I find it odd that there is no criticism of his behavior towards Israel. Surely it wouldn't be undue to mention this sort of criticism in the legacy section? Stumink ( talk) 15:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
The "Six day war" section presents Nasser as a weak person who followed Amer, the strong man and the real leader. This is humiliating for Nasser followers, and it is not true according to other historians. The section is based on Kandil. Is he an wp:rs? Ykantor ( talk) 22:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Please keep this section for quotes only.
-The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences, Avi Shlaim, William Roger Louis - 2012 , page 7, 106
Nasser responded by taking three successive steps which made war virtually inevitable: he deployed his troops in Sinai near Israel's border, he expelled the United Nations Emergency Force from Sinai, and, on 22 May, he closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping. [1]
-Gordon2012,Nasser: Hero of the Arab Nation, p68
Nasser responded on 18 May, demanding full withdrawal of UNEF forces. After that, the rush to war was unavoidable'....(4 June) Iraq joined the Egyptian= Jordanian defense alliance and other front line states- Algeria, Libia, the Sudan and Kuwait- reportedly began mobilizing troops to join the coalition [2]
-Gluska2007page-xv, The Israeli Military and the Origins of the 1967 War: Government, Armed Forces and Defence Policy 1963–67
The dynamics of the situation- the mass psychosis, concentration of forces and Egyptian blockade of the Tiran straits- renderd war inevitable- [3]
-John W. Young, John Kent - 2013 , International Relations Since 1945 - Page 265, -
When Nasser insisted on the withdrawal of UN peacekeeping forces from Sinai on I 6 May fears of a major attack appeared to be confirmed. Nasser ... His determination to crush the Israelis was further demonstrated by his blockade of the Straits of Tiran on 23 May after the UN forces had left, which made an Israeli response unavoidable'; hence the surprise Israeli attack on Egyptian and Syrian airfields [4]
-Mark A. Tessler - 1994, A History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - Page 392. -
Yet in taking this step, Nasser and other Egyptian leaders understood that it would be considered a casus belli by Israel. ... Indeed, a number of senior Egyptian officials rightly concluded at the time that closing the strait to Israel made war inevitable. [5]
-Zaki Shalom - 2012, The Role of US Diplomacy in the Lead-up to the Six Day ... - Page 123, -
. ... Nasser's decision to blockade the Straits of Tiran seemed to have been the straw that broke the camel's back. [6]
-Malcolm H. Kerr - 1975, Elusive Peace in the Middle East - Page 283, -
By demanding recall of the UN Emergency Force, declaring a blockade of the Straits of Tiran, and moving his army into Sinai, Nasser had made "the war nobody wanted" almost inevitable [7]
-Yaacov Ro'i, Boris Morozov - 2008, The Soviet Union and the June 1967 Six Day War - Page 126, -
Later on at the ... In the course of the discussion it became known that the closure of the straits applied specifically to tankers transporting oil to Israel. The General Staff rapidly came to the conclusion that this Egyptian step required Israel to declare war at once, without waiting for further developments. Assuming that war was inevitable, the DMI was immediately requested to [8]
-Eric Hammel - 2001, Six Days in June: How Israel Won the 1967 Arab-Israeli War - Page 29, -
It just so happened that the bluff President Gamal Abdel Nasser commenced on May 13, 1967, ensured that the inevitable war would commence sooner rather than later. By the time Nasser decided, and from then on, all the rest was byplay [9]
-Burton Ira Kaufman - 1996 , The Arab Middle East and the United States: inter-Arab ... - Page 54, -
In closing the strait to Israeli shipping, Nasser turned an increasingly dangerous situation in the Middle East into a full-blown diplomatic crisis and probably made a third Arab-Israeli war inevitable. [10]
-Anita Shapira - 2007 , Yigal Allon, Native Son: A Biography - Page 309, -
On 23 May Nasser seized Sharm al-Sheikh and closed the Straits of Tiran. War looked inevitable. [11]
-Kenneth Dombroski - 2007, Peacekeeping in the Middle East as an International Regime - Page 67, -
UNEF was not an international security garantee, but a trip-wire. Removal of that trip-wire signaled Israel that it was on its own. War was inevitable; the only question remaining was who would strike first. [12] Ykantor ( talk) 22:06, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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Nasser responded on 18 May, demanding full withdrawal of UNEF forces. After that, the rush to war was unavoidable'....(4 June) Iraq joined the Egyptian= Jordanian defense alliance and other front line states- Algeria, Libia, the Sudan and Kuwait- reportedly began mobilizing troops to join the coalition
The dynamics of the situation- the mass psychosis, concentration of forces and Egyptian blockade of the Tiran straits- renderd war inevitable.
Regarding my removal of material recently added to the article, the material goes against both WP:NPOV and WP:OR.
The line about Nasser's apparent dismissal of the number of victims of the Holocaust is mentioned in the Suez Crisis section of the article following the sentence about Nasser's expulsions of foreigners, including foreign Jews and even some Egyptian Jews. What does that quote have to do with the section or passage at hand? At best, it implies a correlation between Nasser's questioning of the Holocaust and the expulsions, but that is a correlation made by the editor instead of the sources, making it original research, which is not allowed in a wikipedia article (especially one that's been rated as a "Good Article".) In the worst case, it's just a random quote thrown into a random section. The reasons for the expulsions of British, Frenchmen and some Jews was directly related to the Suez War not the Holocaust.
As for the Six-Day War section:
Nasser took 3 successive steps that made the war virtually ineviteable: On 14 May he deployed his troops in Sinai near the border with Israel, On 19 May expelled the UN peacekeepers stationed in the Sinai Peninsula border with Israel, and on 23 May closed Tiran straits to Israeli shipping.
Nasser dismissed all rational analysis of the situation and took a series of irrational decisions. The compounded effect of these decisions was that it became impossible for Nasser to slow down or back out, resulting in the Israeli preemptive strike on 5 June.
In both passages, we are taking up the role of historians instead of editors. On top of that, we are blatantly stating the Israeli point of view instead of a neutral point of view by plainly asserting that Nasser "made the war inevitable" and that Nasser was irrational and dismissed rational analysis which resulted in Israel launching a "preemptive strike." This is unacceptable for a quality article or any article. This is why it was removed. Other material that was removed was taken out because it was already mentioned in the section and therefore redundant. -- Al Ameer ( talk) 07:22, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
"Historian Abd al-Azim Ramadan wrote that Nasser was an irrational and irresponsible leader, blaming his inclination to solitary decision making for Egypt's losses during the Suez War, among other events.[101] According to Ismail Fahmi, Nasser single handedly dismissed all rational analysis of the situation and took a series of irrational decisions. The result was the Israeli preemptive strike on 5 June, leading to an Egyptian defeat"
It seems that your version is supported by Kandil (only?) while I have quoted plenty of wp:rs. As we have to adhere to the rules, According to WP:BALANCE :"Neutrality assigns weight to viewpoints in proportion to their prominence.", as it is already quoted here. Hence the article should reflect both versions, but "assigns weight to viewpoints in proportion to their prominence." Ykantor ( talk) 06:35, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences books.google.com/books?isbn=1107002362 Avi Shlaim, William Roger Louis - 2012 - H According to two of those present at the 22 May meeting, Nasser said then that the blockade would make war 100 percent certain – although in his speech of 23 July, Nasser claimed his actual estimate at that time was 50 percent to 80 percent. [1]
- http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/nassers_challenge-martin-gilbert.htm Following Nasser's speech of May 26, one of his close allies, Mohammed Heykal, wrote in the Cairo newspaper Al-Ahram that an armed clash between Israel and Egypt was `inevitable. It would come because of the inexorable logic of the situation: Ykantor ( talk) 22:06, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Jeremy Bowen,Six Days: How the 1967 War Shaped the Middle East, 2012,pages=66,67; (p.66 )"He tried to convince Amer and Nasser that Israel was too strong and that they were risking a disaster. Don't worry, they told him. We know what we're doing. Nasser and Hussein were fatalistic. Both of them said, apparently sincerely,that whether, the battle was lost or won, they could not shy away from the fight. Arab dignity demanded nothing less. (The CIA commented that 'dignity has unquestionably become an overriding priority in the scale of Arab considerations'.)...(p.67)... Hussein, though, was not deluded by his new fans ... 'I knew that war was inevitable. I knew that we were going to lose." [2]
(p.66 )"He tried to convince Amer and Nasser that Israel was too strong and that they were risking a disaster. Don't worry, they told him. We know what we're doing. Nasser and Hussein were fatalistic. Both of them said, apparently sincerely,that whether, the battle was lost or won, they could not shy away from the fight. Arab dignity demanded nothing less. (The CIA commented that 'dignity has unquestionably become an overriding priority in the scale of Arab considerations'.)...(p.67)... Hussein, though, was not deluded by his new fans ... 'I knew that war was inevitable. I knew that we were going to lose"
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Hi, regarding your changes to the lead of Gamal Abdel Nasser, I reverted them because they repeat what's already stated in the lead (not just the body of the article). The lead is already quite long, and if anything it might need to be shortened a bit (without sacrificing important info or structure). I understand your intention here, but the summary-within-summary is unnecessary and makes the lead even longer than it should be. Also, there's too many generalities and contestable descriptions in the summary you added, but that's another matter.
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Here is the problem. We have a six paragraph lede with details on constitutions, presidential terms, summits, domestic policies, foreign policies, etc. But Abdel Nasser has been dead for 45 years and many people searching his name on the internet are not Egyptian or even Arab and do not know who he is. We need a quick description of why Abdel Nasser was famous. which I believe is a policy of
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Responding to an IP's recent edit, the lead intro passage has been discussed above. Also, what "massive Soviet intervention in the Middle East" did Nasser "sponsor"? Nasser pursued a neutralist (although arguably Soviet-leaning) policy in the Cold War until 1967 when he abandoned that path and entered into far closer relations with the Soviets. However, he did not sponsor any Soviet interventions into the Middle East. The only thing that would be remotely close to that was his request for Soviet advisers and a Soviet restock of Egyptian arsenals after the '67 losses. Please rely on neutral, scholarly sources for this kind of information. Also, we're intent on keeping the lead short (it already long enough as is). Adding details about Nasser's 1956 inauguration is unnecessary. It's sufficient to say that after ousting President Naguib in 1954 he officially became president in June 1956. The referendum that confirmed him was likely a sham, Nasser was not a democrat and we don't mention the other referendums (also likely shams) that confirmed Nasser in power in the 1960s. That's not to say Nasser's popularity wasn't of legendary proportions. The lead should remain as brief summary of the article body. -- Al Ameer ( talk) 20:57, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
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I don't really see how he fits anti-communist. He was allied with Cuba, Yugoslavia, USSR, etc. Cinefan Cinefan ( talk) 22:05, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
@ WookieInHeat: The information you inserted is virtually a repetition and not an improvement of what’s already in the Early life section:
It was in Alexandria that Nasser became involved in political activism.[9][13] After witnessing clashes between protesters and police in Manshia Square,[10] he joined the demonstration without being aware of its purpose.[14] The protest, organized by the ultranationalist Young Egypt Society, called for the end of colonialism in Egypt in the wake of the 1923 Egyptian constitution's annulment by Prime Minister Isma'il Sidqi.[10] Nasser was arrested and detained for a night[15] before his father bailed him out.[9] Nasser joined the group for a brief period in 1934.[16][17][18] His association with the group and active role in student demonstrations during this period "imbued him with a fierce Egyptian nationalism", according to the historian James Jankowski.
—Minus the added “similar to the Nazi Party” polemic, which may be relevant to the article on the Green Shirts and Young Egypt, but not to this article. This added polemic suggests, without sufficient proof, that Nasser joined out of sympathy to fascism or Nazism when the scholarly sources note he joined briefly during his activist youth and was attracted to its Egyptian ultranationalist approach to fight against the British interest in Egypt. It also has nothing to do with his military career. — Al Ameer ( talk) 16:09, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
"Or by labeling the UAR ultranationalist and the result of an alliance with a Nazi aligned party and somehow relating that his brief membership in an ultranationalist organization while he was a teenager: it all reads as synthesis or original research"
"I’m not even sure paramilitary is the appropriate or accurate term because he was merely a student activist involved in street protests"
Like I mentioned above, the inclusion of one source doesn't preclude the inclusion of other sources, this is a non-argument. And attack the Asia Times article or Marc Erikson if you like, it's not like there aren't other sources which say roughly the same thing. The existing sources for the section about Young Egypt are books, some of which are out of print and not easily accessible, we just have to take Al Ameer's word about what's in them. After a bit of digging, it appears Nasser was in the Green Shirts from 1934-1936, two years is hardly the insignificant amount of time Al Ameer is representing it as, and it's questionable if the existing sources actually support his claim. Anyway, the things you guys are trying to change the focus to here aren't really what's being debated. What is being debated is this article soft-peddling that Nasser joined a fascist political party with ambiguous language about "ultranationalism," and trying to obscure his participation in a unsavory paramilitary group by conflating it with his participation in student protests, which are two separate things. WookieInHeat ( talk) 10:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Al Ameer ( talk) 15:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)There isn’t even a hint that he ever acted on orders from the party, nor was its fiery leader, the uneducated rabble-rouser Ahmed Hussein, his type of man.
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Nableezy: actually nasser.org is already used extensively as a source throughout this article, including in the section we're discussing.
After witnessing clashes between protesters and police in Manshia Square,[10] ... 10.^abcdefghijklmn Abdel Nasser, Hoda. "A Historical Sketch of Gamal Abdel Nasser". Bibliotheca Alexandrina. Retrieved 23 July 2013. [*Note that nasser.org and nasser.bibalex.org are the same site
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Al Ameer son:'s quote from Aburish's book above; Aburish is clearly an admirer of his subject, using his biography as the basis for Nasser's Wiki article, while trying to use it to exclude other sources that are more objective, is like citing a biography of Stalin by a Soviet scholar which glosses over the Holodomor Famine, while trying to exclude other sources which address that topic from his article. In
his Wiki article he even refers to his own works as "revisionist history" according to NYT. His books are dramatized novels playing to an audience, they are not historical scholarship.
I managed to find most of the existing sources, and pinned down the exact years of Nasser's involvement with the Green Shirts, which concur with the nasser.org article's time frame of 1934-36. The Wafd Blue Shirt vs Green Shirt clashes I previously wrote into the article turned out to be not entirely accurate. The Blue Shirts were only created in 1936, it's possible Nasser was involved in some violence with them, but I haven't seen any sources the explicitly state this. The Green Shirt violence Nasser was actually involved in were student anti-Wafd demonstrations, where they fought with police (this is, at least partially, where his police record of "anti-govt protest" that initially hindered his entrance to the Military Academy stems from).
The Young Egypt Society was, as its name suggests, a youth political movement, its members were nearly all students. In a previous version of this article I discovered it once stated Nasser was "elected the chairman of Young Egypt," which is obviously incorrect. Nasser was elected chairman, but of a student union at his school.
"El Nahda school had a reputation for playing a leading part in schoolboy and student demonstrations. Towards the end of his time there Nasser was in the forefront of the demonstrations and was chairman of the executive committee of Cairo secondary school school students. During his last full school year between 1935 and 1936 Nasser was so involved in politics that he spent only forty-five days actually in school." - Stephens (1972) pg 32
According to another book by James P. Jankowski (who has a book cited in this article) specifically regarding Young Egypt, it seems these student unions existed in schools around the country - one of which Nasser was the chairman of - and were more or less the Green Shirt arms of Young Egypt.
"For three days in succession after Sir Samuel Hoare's speech, Nasser organized secondary school student demonstrations in Cairo in conjunction with university students. The police opened fire and two students were killed and many arrested. A bullet from a British police officer's revolver scored Nasser's forehead, leaving a permanent scar." - Stephens, 1972
"As a teen-ager, Nasser came into contact with the Young Egypt Society whose ideas were socialist, romantic and strongly religious. Indeed, at 17, Nasser was injured in a political demonstration. The newspapers reported that several students had been killed and that the leader of the attack, Gamal Abdel Nasser, had been wounded in the head." - A. F. Madsen, M.Ed. [this source was previously used in the article]
Ironically what that last source alludes to - that Nasser was leading a Green Shirt demo when those students were killed and his forehead was grazed by a bullet - is clarified by Aburish, on the same page of his book Al Ameer quoted from above:
"In February 1936, Gamal was wounded during a demonstration the purpose of which, except for being anti-British, escaped him in later years. The wound, which he earned when the students tried to cross Cairo's Al Rodah Bridge to the other side of the Nile, was superficial, but it won him a mention in the press, and a baptism of fire. He was also jailed for two days. Most of the people arrested with him belonged to the fascist Young Egypt, or Misr al-Fatat, the Egyptian Green shirts of the 1930s. In fact, some historians claim he joined the party in 1933 Whether or not he joined the party cannot be verified and is not important except to denote a restless state of mind. There isn't even a hint that he ever acted on orders from the party, nor was its fiery leader, the uneducated rabble-rouser Ahmed Hussein, his type of man." - Aburish, 2004
Nasser wasn't merely involved in student demonstrations, he was organizing and leading violent anti-Wafd Green Shirt clashes with police, one in which students died.
Before you start telling me this is synthesis, I'm aware I'm drawing a larger picture by connecting dots from multiple sources (although there are existing sources I've not seen full versions of yet, and other books I've become aware of that could give a more detailed picture of Nasser during this period, so that could change). The purpose of this is simply to disprove the notion Young Egypt was some minor footnote of Nasser's youth that occurred "briefly" in 1934, it was clearly more significant than that.
That said, some of this could certainly be included without even adding any additional sources. Such as Nasser being elected chairman of his school's student union and subsequently leading it in violent anti-govt demonstrations which resulted in deaths (seems particularly relevant in a biography about a man who later became president by overthrowing said govt in a coup), and being arrested on more than one occasion. The way it's currently written makes it sound like Nasser just inadvertently got caught up in some student demonstrations, got arrested once, and didn't really have a clue what any of it was all about, which is obviously not the case.
To add, as you intended, that the Green Shirts (who were also pro-royalist) often clashed with the pro-loyalist Wafdists or that it was Nazi-inspired would not only be giving undue weight, but it would misleadingly allude that Nasser participated in such clashes
No, this would not be misleading at all. Not only did Nasser participate in such clashes, he was leading them. This isn't the Nasser fan club, our job isn't to whitewash his image or determine his feelings about fascism, our job is to represent facts. And the fact is, he was a member of a fascist political/paramilitary group for two years - which is currently being obscured behind vague language about "ultranationalism" - and was undoubtedly involved in some violence during that period (he has the scars to prove it), which are not being represented in an accurate or forthright manner currently.
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On 13 November 1935, Nasser led a student demonstration against British rule, protesting against a statement made four days prior by UK foreign minister Samuel Hoare that rejected prospects for the 1923 Constitution's restoration.[10] Two protesters were killed and Nasser received a graze to the head from a policeman's bullet.[15] The incident garnered his first mention in the press: the nationalist newspaper Al Gihad reported that Nasser led the protest and was among the wounded.[10][21] On 12 December, the new king, Farouk, issued a decree restoring the constitution.[10] [break] Nasser's involvement in political activity increased throughout his school years, such that he only attended 45 days of classes during his last year of secondary school.[22][23] Despite it having the almost unanimous backing of Egypt's political forces, Nasser strongly objected to the 1936 Anglo-Egyptian Treaty because it stipulated the continued presence of British military bases in the country.[10] Nonetheless, political unrest in Egypt declined significantly and Nasser resumed his studies at al-Nahda,[22] where he received his leaving certificate later that year.
This page says "In January 1955, the RCC appointed him [Nasser] as their president, pending national elections."
On /info/en/?search=List_of_presidents_of_Egypt the table gives Nasser as becoming Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council on 14 November 1954.
Is one of these statements incorrect or can they be resolved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterPedant ( talk • contribs) 13:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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Remove the nassers' home town of alexandria from the Abdeen Palace incident. Abdeen Palace is in Cairo not alexandria 197.246.75.96 ( talk) 23:04, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Nasser became President in 1956 as stated multiple times in the article yet in the opening sentence it states he served as President beginning in 1954. Is there a reason for this discrepancy, and if not can someone fix it so there is no confusion? This very well could have already been addressed so apologies if this is a redundant discussion.
99.163.124.27 ( talk) 23:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC) Edit: I think I figured it out. He began serving as president in 1954, but wasn't officially elected to the position until 1956. Is that right?