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How did this become a 'founding myth'? Gaurav
The Battle of Gallipoli is known simply as Gallipoli in Newfoundland. Newfoundland was the only country in North America to commit troops to the battle as the Royal Newfoundland Regiment fought alongside Australian and New Zealand forces in the Gallipoli Campaign. BmPower, April 27,2005
The Newfoundlanders served in the Suvla sector of Gallipoli, which existed from August until December 1915. The only Australians permanently stationed in that sector were the members of the Royal Australian Naval Bridging Train (RANBT), and there were no New Zealander units permanently stationed there. So in fact the Newfoundlanders served mainly with the English, Welsh, Scots and Irish forces which made up the majority of troops at Suvla. Approximately 45 Newfoundlanders died at Gallipoli. There was a Canadian Hospital situated on the Greek island of Lemnos in support of the Gallipoli campaign. Two of its nurses died on that island during the campaign.
See
Gallishaw, J. Trenching at Gallipoli. A Personal Narrative of a Newfoundlander with the Illfated Dardanelles Expedition, New York, A.L. Burt Co., 1916.
and
Stacey, A. J. Memoirs of a Blue Puttee: The Newfoundland Regiment in the Great War, St. John's, Newfoundland, DRC Publishers, 2002. Hayaman ( talk) 03:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
The result of the debate was don't move. — Nightst a llion (?) Seen this already? 08:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Gallipoli → Gallipoli, Turkey … Rationale: This is to avoid ambiguity with Gallipoli, Italy. Thanks g_fiore 15:30, 4 May 2006 (BST)
Any Kiwi or Ausi I have ever head say that they are going to Gallipoli (for ANZAC Day). I have never heard anyone qualify Gallipoli with the word Turkey because there is another pace in Italy with the same name. It is like qualifying London with England because there are other places with the same name. -- Philip Baird Shearer 15:25, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
He is quoted in the article as saying:
But wasn't what he said closer to the following:
"His famous speech "I do not command you to fight, I command you to die" shows his courageous and determined personality and also shows the main character of a Turkish Warrior. He went on to found the modern Turkish state after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire." Is this part propaganda for Attatürk?
The quote isn't a sign of courage - it doesn't take much courage to command/commend others to die - but it is a sign of a determined military commander. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.157.128.180 ( talk) 17:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
There was no 'Battle' of Gallipoli. The correct term in English is 'Gallipoli Campaign'. A campaign consists of a series of battles. Some of the battles fought at Gallipoli were 'The Landing', 1st Krithia', '2nd Krithia', 'Sari Bair', 'Scimitar Hill' and 'Hill 60'. Hayaman ( talk) 03:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
For a discussion on the historical use of the word 'Anzac' as opposed to the acronym for the army corps 'ANZAC', see [here [1]] Hayaman ( talk) 03:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Overall, there were around 300,000 Allied casualties including around 100,000 deaths and 150,000 Turkish casualties including around 20,000 deaths. ....
In fact around 21,000 British died, 10,000 French, 8,700 Australians, 2,700 New Zealanders and 1,370 Indians. Nearly twice as many Turks died (85,000) as all the Allies combined. However it must also be noted that, relative to its population, Australia suffered more losses than any other nation in World War I[citation needed]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.174.73.247 ( talk) 03:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
can we have a disambiguation page? gallipoli campaign, place, movie? i'm sure there are more. it'd make life easier. or is that old fashioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.36.169 ( talk) 16:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure that we need to - before you make the move, is there anything in a Style Guide that might give some advice? Given that the disambig page is listed on the first line of the page here PalawanOz ( talk) 12:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC) I'd also note the result of the page move proposal above - which was to keep the page as is, rather than renaming to "Gallipoli, Turkey", or similar PalawanOz ( talk) 12:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
As Gelibolu and Gallipoli are the same place, it would be best to merge the two, with an appropriate redirect. Although "Gelibolu" is the Turkish usage, "Gallipoli" is the usual English language version and this article is the most developed, so I propose the merge into Gallipoli. Folks at 137 ( talk) 18:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Rerated article as "start". No way is it "B", since referencing is incomplete and the subject is confused - is it about the town or the peninsular - it's not indicated by the title which is linked to by articles that assume the town. Some projects have criteria for "B" status; it might be useful to consider them. Folks at 137 ( talk) 18:31, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I have added in one or two sentences about the landings and the subsequent failure to take advantage of the initial lack of oppossition, allowing the Ottoman Empire to pour in reinforcements. Please feel free to change or delete as you see fit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willski72 ( talk • contribs) 10:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
the state that we are in we do not know about the gallipoli isa really boring so we do not know anything about it the end!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.42.195 ( talk) 23:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
This is listed in Music on the Dutch page for the battle of Gallipoli. It says The Sweedish heavy/powermetal band Sabaton brought the Album The Art of War out in 2008 with a number over the battle of Gallipoli: Cliffs of Gallipoli.
De Zweedse heavy/powermetal band Sabaton bracht in 2008 zijn album The Art Of War uit met daarop het nummer Cliffs of Gallipoli.
I think this is a nice addition to the article as the song is very good and it teaches history in a way that is easy to remember. Music —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clwijnen ( talk • contribs) 13:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
As someone wrote above, this article reads like a school essay. It has way too few sources and makes sweeping statements like Anzac Day is the most important national day of commemoration for Australians. I don't want to go through and put citation needed everywhere, but something needs to be done. Anyone? Rumiton ( talk) 12:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:43, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
05:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi yet there — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.83.216 ( talk) 23:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
No consensus for any move. bd2412 T 20:37, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
– Per WP:COMMONNAME & WP:ENGLISH. For example English-language maps published by companies, such as National Geographic [ [2]] also use both of the proposed names. Google & googlebooks prefer Gallipoli for both the peninsula and the city (gbooks by a ratio of more than 10vs1), characteristic example is Enc.Brittanica [ [3]]...Gallipoli, Turkish Gelibolu, historically Callipolis, seaport and town,...
Additionally it's erroneous that both bear the same name in every language: English, Turkish, Latin, Greek etc., since historically the peninsula was named after the city, but in wikipedia their names differ. --Relisted. Red Slash 04:15, 26 November 2013 (UTC) Alexikoua ( talk) 20:10, 12 November 2013 (UTC) Alexikoua ( talk) 20:10, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
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As in WPs of other languages I propose to move this article about the Gallipoli peninsula to it's appropriate Lemma and move the disambiguation here. Then it's really clear that this term has many meanings. Btw: yes, I know that much links here - and it will be a big work to adapt all these links; but I consider that it is worth it. -- ProloSozz ( talk) 11:42, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
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How did this become a 'founding myth'? Gaurav
The Battle of Gallipoli is known simply as Gallipoli in Newfoundland. Newfoundland was the only country in North America to commit troops to the battle as the Royal Newfoundland Regiment fought alongside Australian and New Zealand forces in the Gallipoli Campaign. BmPower, April 27,2005
The Newfoundlanders served in the Suvla sector of Gallipoli, which existed from August until December 1915. The only Australians permanently stationed in that sector were the members of the Royal Australian Naval Bridging Train (RANBT), and there were no New Zealander units permanently stationed there. So in fact the Newfoundlanders served mainly with the English, Welsh, Scots and Irish forces which made up the majority of troops at Suvla. Approximately 45 Newfoundlanders died at Gallipoli. There was a Canadian Hospital situated on the Greek island of Lemnos in support of the Gallipoli campaign. Two of its nurses died on that island during the campaign.
See
Gallishaw, J. Trenching at Gallipoli. A Personal Narrative of a Newfoundlander with the Illfated Dardanelles Expedition, New York, A.L. Burt Co., 1916.
and
Stacey, A. J. Memoirs of a Blue Puttee: The Newfoundland Regiment in the Great War, St. John's, Newfoundland, DRC Publishers, 2002. Hayaman ( talk) 03:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
The result of the debate was don't move. — Nightst a llion (?) Seen this already? 08:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Gallipoli → Gallipoli, Turkey … Rationale: This is to avoid ambiguity with Gallipoli, Italy. Thanks g_fiore 15:30, 4 May 2006 (BST)
Any Kiwi or Ausi I have ever head say that they are going to Gallipoli (for ANZAC Day). I have never heard anyone qualify Gallipoli with the word Turkey because there is another pace in Italy with the same name. It is like qualifying London with England because there are other places with the same name. -- Philip Baird Shearer 15:25, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
He is quoted in the article as saying:
But wasn't what he said closer to the following:
"His famous speech "I do not command you to fight, I command you to die" shows his courageous and determined personality and also shows the main character of a Turkish Warrior. He went on to found the modern Turkish state after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire." Is this part propaganda for Attatürk?
The quote isn't a sign of courage - it doesn't take much courage to command/commend others to die - but it is a sign of a determined military commander. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.157.128.180 ( talk) 17:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
There was no 'Battle' of Gallipoli. The correct term in English is 'Gallipoli Campaign'. A campaign consists of a series of battles. Some of the battles fought at Gallipoli were 'The Landing', 1st Krithia', '2nd Krithia', 'Sari Bair', 'Scimitar Hill' and 'Hill 60'. Hayaman ( talk) 03:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
For a discussion on the historical use of the word 'Anzac' as opposed to the acronym for the army corps 'ANZAC', see [here [1]] Hayaman ( talk) 03:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Overall, there were around 300,000 Allied casualties including around 100,000 deaths and 150,000 Turkish casualties including around 20,000 deaths. ....
In fact around 21,000 British died, 10,000 French, 8,700 Australians, 2,700 New Zealanders and 1,370 Indians. Nearly twice as many Turks died (85,000) as all the Allies combined. However it must also be noted that, relative to its population, Australia suffered more losses than any other nation in World War I[citation needed]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.174.73.247 ( talk) 03:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
can we have a disambiguation page? gallipoli campaign, place, movie? i'm sure there are more. it'd make life easier. or is that old fashioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.36.169 ( talk) 16:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure that we need to - before you make the move, is there anything in a Style Guide that might give some advice? Given that the disambig page is listed on the first line of the page here PalawanOz ( talk) 12:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC) I'd also note the result of the page move proposal above - which was to keep the page as is, rather than renaming to "Gallipoli, Turkey", or similar PalawanOz ( talk) 12:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
As Gelibolu and Gallipoli are the same place, it would be best to merge the two, with an appropriate redirect. Although "Gelibolu" is the Turkish usage, "Gallipoli" is the usual English language version and this article is the most developed, so I propose the merge into Gallipoli. Folks at 137 ( talk) 18:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Rerated article as "start". No way is it "B", since referencing is incomplete and the subject is confused - is it about the town or the peninsular - it's not indicated by the title which is linked to by articles that assume the town. Some projects have criteria for "B" status; it might be useful to consider them. Folks at 137 ( talk) 18:31, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I have added in one or two sentences about the landings and the subsequent failure to take advantage of the initial lack of oppossition, allowing the Ottoman Empire to pour in reinforcements. Please feel free to change or delete as you see fit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willski72 ( talk • contribs) 10:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
the state that we are in we do not know about the gallipoli isa really boring so we do not know anything about it the end!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.42.195 ( talk) 23:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
This is listed in Music on the Dutch page for the battle of Gallipoli. It says The Sweedish heavy/powermetal band Sabaton brought the Album The Art of War out in 2008 with a number over the battle of Gallipoli: Cliffs of Gallipoli.
De Zweedse heavy/powermetal band Sabaton bracht in 2008 zijn album The Art Of War uit met daarop het nummer Cliffs of Gallipoli.
I think this is a nice addition to the article as the song is very good and it teaches history in a way that is easy to remember. Music —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clwijnen ( talk • contribs) 13:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
As someone wrote above, this article reads like a school essay. It has way too few sources and makes sweeping statements like Anzac Day is the most important national day of commemoration for Australians. I don't want to go through and put citation needed everywhere, but something needs to be done. Anyone? Rumiton ( talk) 12:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:43, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
05:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi yet there — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.83.216 ( talk) 23:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
No consensus for any move. bd2412 T 20:37, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
– Per WP:COMMONNAME & WP:ENGLISH. For example English-language maps published by companies, such as National Geographic [ [2]] also use both of the proposed names. Google & googlebooks prefer Gallipoli for both the peninsula and the city (gbooks by a ratio of more than 10vs1), characteristic example is Enc.Brittanica [ [3]]...Gallipoli, Turkish Gelibolu, historically Callipolis, seaport and town,...
Additionally it's erroneous that both bear the same name in every language: English, Turkish, Latin, Greek etc., since historically the peninsula was named after the city, but in wikipedia their names differ. --Relisted. Red Slash 04:15, 26 November 2013 (UTC) Alexikoua ( talk) 20:10, 12 November 2013 (UTC) Alexikoua ( talk) 20:10, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
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As in WPs of other languages I propose to move this article about the Gallipoli peninsula to it's appropriate Lemma and move the disambiguation here. Then it's really clear that this term has many meanings. Btw: yes, I know that much links here - and it will be a big work to adapt all these links; but I consider that it is worth it. -- ProloSozz ( talk) 11:42, 3 October 2020 (UTC)