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I like you,from China. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.128.14.208 ( talk) 06:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Gadot was born in Rosh Ha'ayin, Israel. In 2007, she took a part in the Maxim photo shoot "Women of the Israeli army", which focused on Israeli models who were members of the Israeli Army.
Umm...aren't virtually all young Israeli women members of the Israeli army? This is like "Women of the American electorate," which focuses on American models are are members of the American electorate. john k ( talk) 22:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
That is true not all serve if you are disabled you do not serve but if you are able bodied you must serve. So it is redundant, as an Israeli in America it makes the article look ridiculous. OMEGAUNIT ( talk) 08:43, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
i think its fascinating they chose Gadot, of obvious israeli or general middle east ethnicity, to play a character usually represented as "all american". I would love to find references showing why this is, but i suspect its related to how they will portray WW in the new film (which we probably wont get info on until its release). WW is, after all, not american, but an Amazonian, whatever that translates as.(mercurywoodrose) 99.157.205.106 ( talk) 23:58, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
In answer to all the above commenters, there is more to this "controversy" than anyone so far has been willing to state: First, Wonder Woman is Mediterrean (and "northern" at that,[which also includes Turkey'] as opposed to "southern" Mediterrean, i.e. African (Egyptian, Cyrenaican, Algerian, Moroccan, Libyan; or Palestinian, Lebanese, or Syrian. So, this gives some credence to this unknown actress. that being said, I contest why not have an American actress fulfill the role; or is it that the obvious years-long contention by movie-industry honchos could not come to any consensus of who should play the role, and what ethnicity should represent the character (it goes without saying that an African-American, or Africana actress would be THE last consideration-if at all-to be a candidate! Also, in the article, all these references to her "Jewishness" (added to her gritty credentials as an army commando,)and "Israeliness" as qualification for her playing this character seems as self-serving to the notorious nepotism in Hollywood. Doubtful she'll be elible to knock-off Audrey Hepburn's mantle. (Otherwise, I really cared for the character except for the early 70s iteration, when she was stripped of her powers, and appeared more like a "two-dimensional" profile-at least. (Taking her powers then was absolutely sexist, I thought at the time!! -- 65.88.88.125 ( talk) 16:14, 1 November 2014 (UTC)Veryverser
The American actress Lynda Carter's character played a Mediterrean princess, whose alter-ego was an "All-American" seeming professional female, "Diana Prince"!!! -- 65.88.88.125 ( talk) 16:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC)Veryverser
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This is hardly suitable for an infobox image when we have a proper portrait photo. We're not Maxim. -- NeilN talk to me 20:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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I think WP:MINORS applies here: the children's names should not be included, even if substantiated by reliable sources. The guidance states "Do not name or otherwise identify the person, even if good sources do publish the name, when a more general description will suffice."- Bri ( talk) 01:05, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
The original version of the family name was Grünstein, as they did not come from any English-speaking country. It is German, with an Umlaut. The literal translation into English would be Green stone. So apparently after emigration they felt they had to alter the vowl to ease pronounciation by people unfamiliar with German sounds. - The same happened in many instances in North America after Emigration. You easily recognize that in a name if you are familiar with the language.
Regards, -- 147.142.186.54 ( talk) 19:46, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
The lede summarizes the article. Notable events should be covered in the lede; consistent removal of notable events (Miss Israel Pageant win, and Fast and Furious role) are notable items within her biography, and should be included. These are items that made her notable long before Wonder Woman was ever offered for a role, as shown by her notability prior to 2014. Scr★pIron IV 21:26, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
The current version of the article has a section named "Activism and recognition". The section has a single paragraph which states:
On October 21, 2016, the 75th anniversary of her first appearance, the Wonder Woman character was designated by the United Nations as its "Honorary Ambassador for the Empowerment of Women and Girls", a gesture intended to promote global gender equality and empowerment. In attendance to mark the occasion was Gadot, fellow Wonder Woman actress Lynda Carter, DC Entertainment President Diane Nelson, Wonder Woman director Patty Jenkins and U.N. Under-Secretary General Cristina Gallach.
The content of this paragraph is
I am therefore removing this section. Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 14:27, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
This section was recently removed from the military service section by Avaya1, a biased pro-Israel user who has a history of adding pro-Israel material and removing material which paints Israel in a negative light from various articles. This was done under the pretence that it was political and should not be included in actor entries. This is not reasonable as wiki entries should very much contain political leanings and affiliations, especially for those actors who use their spotlight to shine light onto these personal leanings.
The movie has been banned in a number of countries due to these remarks by the actor; it would be disingenuous to pretend that it was not relevant or important.
I propose that we add to the personal life section, or create a new activism section, or a controversy section:
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09:42, 6 July 2017 (UTC)I suggest CaptainJustice read Wikipedia:No personal attacks, Wikipedia:Etiquette and WP:AVOIDABUSE before making accusations against other editors. The material on Twitter comments and Zionism are clearly undue and not suitable for a BLP encyclopedia entry, as a result multiple editors (including myself) have removed this material. In addition, CaptainJustice has apparently stated at the beginning of this very discussion, that he is adding this content for political reasons. Avaya1 ( talk) 01:12, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Light show, would you kindly consider the following?
Again, I would like to highlight that the article's entire body is showing the subject in a positive and flattering light only: Roles won, awards won, pageants won, modeling contracts won, which brands she represents, awards nominated for et al; and her immense income from these streams . Any negative content which aims to paint a more complete picture, even when genuinely true, has been removed. The following additions aim to paint a more neutral picture of the subject so that the article is less a five star endorsement / advertisement of the subject, and more a wholly rounded information peace, which is more in keeping with the spirit of Wikipedia.
I propose that the military section be edited to: CaptainJustice ( talk) 23:19, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Military service and support for the Israel Defence Forces
1) At the age of 20, Gadot served for two years as an enlisted soldier in the Israel Defense Forces, serving as a combat trainer. [8] She says of her time in the army: "You give two or three years, and it's not about you. You learn discipline and respect." [9] Gadot says that her background helped her to win the role of Gisele in Fast & Furious: "I think the main reason was that the director Justin Lin really liked that I was in the military, and he wanted to use my knowledge of weapons." [10]
2) Gadot has spoken publicly about her support for the Israeli military in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As the conflict between Israel and Gaza deteriorated, she uploaded a photograph of herself praying with her daughter Alma, and wrote “I am sending my love and prayers to my fellow Israeli citizens. Especially to all the boys and girls who are risking their lives protecting my country against the horrific acts conducted by Hamas, who are hiding like cowards behind women and children...We shall overcome!!! Shabbat Shalom!" [11] This message was "met with immense backlash". [12] [13]
3) I would like to kindly highlight here that unlike other films which had been banned in Arab countries in the somewhat distant past simply because an actor was Israeli, Gadot's film was banned because of her publicly stated support for one side in the conflict as well as boasting about her military training. Had she not made these remarks, the film would most likely not have been banned, especially on the 11th hour before premiere screenings. Giving an example, Natalie Portman is Israeli but there is no ban on her films (for any reason). Portman, in fact, wrote a letter to a paper highlighting her neutral stance, and calling upon us all to take responsibility, including Europe and the US. [14] CaptainJustice ( talk) 23:19, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
4) Her latest film, Wonder Woman, was consequently banned in Lebanon by the Lebanese government following an effort by a group called Campaign to Boycott Supporters of Israel which accused Gadot of "boasting about the army training her for Hollywood" and condemned her for supporting the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict, [15] in addition to Gadot's service during the 2006 Lebanon War. [15] [16] The film was consequently also banned in Tunisia, and Qatar. [17]
5) Obviously I can't add the following, word for word. However, can I add the gist, but perhaps in a more tasteful manner? I want to highlight that very many people feel that Wonder Woman's stance would be that of Portman which highlights the similarities between all of us and calls on us all to take responsibility, rather than that of Gadot who naively supports a single side in a multi-faceted conflict. CaptainJustice ( talk) 23:19, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
6) Since she took the acting role of Wonder Woman, "the actress has been ridiculed for the character she plays vs. what she stands for, with her critics noting that she chooses to support inhumane war crimes against innocent Palestinian civilians while playing a character that would be opposed to such a thing." [18]
7) I believe Avaya1 has also removed a section which dealt with Gadot being the face of an Israeli clothing brand Castro, where she attracted criticism from the Israel's more conservative community when she appeared nude in a commercial; prodding 9 members of the Israeli senate to write a letter of protest.
Modeling After: Gadot has been the main model for fashion brand Castro in 2008–2016. [19]
I would like to add:
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Military service is compulsory in Israel ( although some avoid it). Woman are required to serve 21 months (there also seems to be some variation in time depending on the type of training received, I didn't do a very deep search). Service is required at age 18 although there seem to be allowances. The article says Gadot served for 2 years, so basically the time required.
Not many countries have compulsory military service for women. You can read between the lines but one specific sentence "Gadot joined the Israeli Army." is misleading. Without knowing the cultural background and the _unusual_ fact that service is required, that phrasing implies much more choice than really exists. I do not want to diminish her service to her country in any way, but an encyclopedia should be clear and unambiguous and try to avoid misinterpretations that might arise for readers with different cultural backgrounds. I would advise a more cautious wording. (Also while writing this and looking closely at the sources, I notice that the paragraph says, she was modeling at age nineteen, and again somewhat redundantly says, "At age 19, Gadot joined the Israeli Army" but the source UMM.ca says "At the age of 20," so the current wording is not supported by the source. The source for her studying law is also unclear, the phrasing implies she left her studies incomplete as her film career took off, but the source says she was working as a model and actress. It is entirely possible she was also studying law but I haven't trawled through the other sources yet to try and find out where that is stated.)
The article already requires review but I don't have a specific wording yet that I think would be better. I'd appreciate if someone could take a look and maybe phrase things more cautiously. (Corrections, or named references, may also be needed to make sources clearer, for the minor issues I mentioned in parenthesis in the previous paragraph.) -- 93.107.152.97 ( talk) 00:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
According to the Hebrew Wikipedia, Gadot was not a "Combat Instructor" but a "Combat Fitness Trainer" (She didn't teach soldiers how to fight. She kept them in physical shape). Barakb32 ( talk) 12:17, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
This is accurate that it is mandatory to serve in the Israeli defence forces. This is not notable, nor special as all Israeli 18 year olds must serve. OMEGAUNIT ( talk) 08:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
The article currently says "Combat Trainer" which is a nonsensical title that implies she was involved with tactical or melee instruction. 122.249.85.143 ( talk) 12:24, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
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Gal Gadot is the new face of Revlon. [3] Sokuya ( talk) 22:08, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
This image was reinserted by Winkelvi. I think it has no MOS:PERTINENCE, as it just an image of her on her own at the same event is used just before in the infobox. Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 23:28, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm that this is actually how you would use this special spelling method to pronounce Gal Gadot's name correctly?
gah-L GAH-do-T'
And here is her saying it at Jimmy Kimmel's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA8pQMJrcNY/ EditsOrArticles ( talk) 21:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
The English notation has been reinstated citing this article, but whoever wrote it clearly didn't understand how language works. As mentioned above, the vowel in the final syllable is [o] ([ o̞ to be precise), which doesn't exist in English. So English speakers are likely to perceive it as whatever is the closest sound that exists in their accent when they hear her pronunciation. Chances are Americans hear the sound of boat, while Britons hear the sound of dot, because generally the words are pronounced respectively with [oʊ] (starts with a back sound with lip rounding) and [ɑ] (no rounding) in many accents of North America and [əʊ] (starts with a schwa, i.e. no rounding) and [ɒ] (single sound, rounded) in RP. But strictly speaking neither are correct because [oʊ] is two sounds, [ɒ] is too low, and [əʊ]/[ɑ] are not round for good measure. Whatever the case, the confusion seems primarily to lie in whether or not the final "t" is pronounced (mistaking it for a French name), so, again, we can't possibly have one definitive notation until one particular way is adopted by the majority of English speakers, and it might be better if we just had one Hebrew pronunciation and let the reader decide how to articulate it. Nardog ( talk) 10:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
In the Jimmy Kimmel interview, Kimmel pronounced her full name as /ˈɡæl ɡəˈdoʊt/, to which she corrected the last name to /ɡəˈdɒt/. She says it later again with the same Anglicized pronunciation. As for the first name, she didn't correct Kimmel, and said it afterwards with (what I assume is) an Israeli accent, so either
Either way, she clearly has a preferred English pronunciation for her last name, so it should be noted alongside the Hebrew pronunciation.
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In the first video, she first says /ɡəˈdɒt/, then /ɡəˈdɑːt/, and both can be interpreted as /ɡəˈdɒt/. She can't expect Americans to say /ɡəˈdɒt/, as /ɒ/ merges with /ɑː/ for the vast majority of Americans. The sequence ⟨ot⟩ is never /ɔːt/ in English, so that's a no-no either. The reason she corrects the /ɡəˈdoʊt/ pronunciation is simple ignorance of how English accents work. Kimmel doesn't even get /ɡəˈdɒt/ right and says /ɡəˈdʌt/ instead.
/ɡəˈdoʊt/ is a perfectly regular anglicization of Hebrew /ɡaˈdot/, at least as far as American English is concerned. In loanwords, stressed ⟨o⟩ is regularly mapped to /oʊ/. Spanish /o/ is practically the same as Hebrew /o/, yet nobody has a problem with saying /ˈɡoʊmɛz/ for Gomez or Gómez.
I don't think she can truly have a preference for the exact English pronunciation of her name. She should educate herself on English phonetics and phonology before correcting native speakers on that and then make an educated choice on how to pronounce her name in English.
Compare the very similar case of Alja Tomljanovic. Mr KEBAB ( talk) 12:17, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
I've removed the English IPA. [5] says that the correct pronunciation is /ɡəˈdɒt/. But in [6] (which it cites), we can hear that Gadot can't differentiate between /ɡəˈdoʊt/, /ɡəˈdɒt/ and /ɡəˈdʌt/; instead, all she "corrects" in Kimmel's pronunciation is the final /t/, which she apparently wants to be audibly released, not being aware that the distinction is allophonic in English. Mr KEBAB ( talk) 09:36, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
CindyShae1986 made an edit yesterday changing the spelling of Gadot's husband's name from Yaron Varsano to Jaron Varsano. I reverted because it's spelled Yaron in the cited source. However, they then pointed out to me on my talk page that Varsano's Instagram account is jaronvarsano. I did some Googling, and it seems like the spelling is just about interchangeable - I see many articles spelling it each way, with maybe a few more coming back as Yaron (and at least one referring to "Yaron Varsano aka Jaron Varsano"). Anybody have any idea what's going on here? I'm guessing there's a linguistic thing going on that I don't know anything about? ‑‑ ElHef ( Meep?) 04:04, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
The subject was identified as Gal Gadot Varsano in the introductory paragraph on the basis of this source: "גל גדות על פרשת אופק בוכריס: "איפה הצדק?"".
Now, the publication making this claim is Ynet; can we trust the site to have properly vetted that the Ynet account in question does belong to Gadot? — C.Fred ( talk) 22:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
An anonymous IP who seems to have a knowledge of Wikipedia already (possibly editing anon to escape scrutiny with their registered account?) is insisting on Gadot's name in the lead to be solely Gal Gadot-Versano, despite policy found at WP:NAMECHANGES, WP:COMMONNAME, and MOS:LEGALNAME. It's established policy that we use recognizable names and names commonly used and known by - if there is a name change, we still use the commonly known name. It's also common to add "aka" (also known as) in the lead for the uncommonly known and used name following a name-change. In the case of this article, the name should read, "Gal Gadot (aka Gal Gadot Varsano)".
Would love to see this anon IP comment here rather than edit war. My suggestion is that the pending change/reversion they have just made not be accepted until discussion ensues and a better understanding and/or consensus is reached based on policy. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 21:39, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:COMMONNAME don't apply to opening paragraphs because they are under Wikipedia:Article titles. And MOS:LEGALNAME doesn't recommend a construction with "aka". The relevant sections of guidelines in this case, rather, are MOS:FULLNAME and MOS:MULTINAMES, and they doesn't mention "aka" either. As for hypen vs. space, unless there is an existing guideline or consensus on how to represent Israeli names on English Wikipedia, what we should consult is not Hebrew sources but what reliable sources written in English do and what other English Wikipedia articles about Israelis do. And I haven't seen concrete evidence to support putting the birth name before the current full name (which MOS:FULLNAME proscribes) or using a space for separating the surnames. I'm not going to fight this because it is far from my priority, and sockpuppetry is indeed inexcusable, but it is nonetheless strange to find myself siding with an IP against a couple of seemingly very experienced editors. Nardog ( talk) 11:31, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
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Reversion back to old photo showing a less mature Gadot was done. The current image is a newer photo, reflects who she is now, and the change to the current one was made based on that. It has been status quo for a few months now. The revert back was bold, now WP:BRD applies - please discuss on article talk page, Avaya1. Thanks. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 18:00, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
What area did her grandmother leave before the German army came? Calle Widmann ( talk) 21:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
The Wiki article says her father is 6th Generation Israeli but that's not possible. Israel was formed in 1947. Gadot was born in 1985. Take a conservative estimate, and imagine that her father was a young as 20 when he had her, that would mean he was born in 1965. If his father was 20, that would mean her grandfather was born in 1945, before Israel was formed, so Michael would be a first generation Israeli, not sixth. I see the citation is Rolling Stone Magazine. I love Rolling Stone but they're not exactly a peer-reviewed source. I think they it wrong, because it is possible mathematically possible. Could some please delete this from the main body of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.195.204.254 ( talk) 05:50, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Gal Gadot is not the voice of Wonder Woman in The Lego Movie 2: The Second Part. Wonder Woman in that animated film is voiced by Cobie Smulders. 104.49.119.231 ( talk) 13:34, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
It is nice that actors visit sick children in hospital and all, but I don't see how it is particularly notable. (Chris Pratt and Chris Evans have visited hospitals in costume but it is not mentioned in their articles.) Could someone please clarify why this is notable and add the necessary context or remove the sentence from the article. -- 22:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.235.192 ( talk)
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I think her upcoming projects, as announced on the official Instagram for Pilot Wave Motion Pictures and other sources such as Deadline, should be included on this Wikipedia page. #bodyContent a[title="User:Dreamfigure"] { background-color: #00FFFF; color: #FFFFFF; font-weight: bold; } 07:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
@ IslamBro: has taken it upon himself to change the infobox image to one that is two years newer. I am not so sure it is an improvement. The lighting on the 2016 photo is very good. Her face is very visible, and seen straight on. The 2018 photo is two years newer (that's a plus) but the lighting is poor, deep shadows, her face is darkened and can't see well, the background has poor contrast. Thoughts? Elizium23 ( talk) 09:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
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Can you add a space between Apple and TV+, please? 45.72.243.103 ( talk) 22:53, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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I like you,from China. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.128.14.208 ( talk) 06:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Gadot was born in Rosh Ha'ayin, Israel. In 2007, she took a part in the Maxim photo shoot "Women of the Israeli army", which focused on Israeli models who were members of the Israeli Army.
Umm...aren't virtually all young Israeli women members of the Israeli army? This is like "Women of the American electorate," which focuses on American models are are members of the American electorate. john k ( talk) 22:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
That is true not all serve if you are disabled you do not serve but if you are able bodied you must serve. So it is redundant, as an Israeli in America it makes the article look ridiculous. OMEGAUNIT ( talk) 08:43, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
i think its fascinating they chose Gadot, of obvious israeli or general middle east ethnicity, to play a character usually represented as "all american". I would love to find references showing why this is, but i suspect its related to how they will portray WW in the new film (which we probably wont get info on until its release). WW is, after all, not american, but an Amazonian, whatever that translates as.(mercurywoodrose) 99.157.205.106 ( talk) 23:58, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
In answer to all the above commenters, there is more to this "controversy" than anyone so far has been willing to state: First, Wonder Woman is Mediterrean (and "northern" at that,[which also includes Turkey'] as opposed to "southern" Mediterrean, i.e. African (Egyptian, Cyrenaican, Algerian, Moroccan, Libyan; or Palestinian, Lebanese, or Syrian. So, this gives some credence to this unknown actress. that being said, I contest why not have an American actress fulfill the role; or is it that the obvious years-long contention by movie-industry honchos could not come to any consensus of who should play the role, and what ethnicity should represent the character (it goes without saying that an African-American, or Africana actress would be THE last consideration-if at all-to be a candidate! Also, in the article, all these references to her "Jewishness" (added to her gritty credentials as an army commando,)and "Israeliness" as qualification for her playing this character seems as self-serving to the notorious nepotism in Hollywood. Doubtful she'll be elible to knock-off Audrey Hepburn's mantle. (Otherwise, I really cared for the character except for the early 70s iteration, when she was stripped of her powers, and appeared more like a "two-dimensional" profile-at least. (Taking her powers then was absolutely sexist, I thought at the time!! -- 65.88.88.125 ( talk) 16:14, 1 November 2014 (UTC)Veryverser
The American actress Lynda Carter's character played a Mediterrean princess, whose alter-ego was an "All-American" seeming professional female, "Diana Prince"!!! -- 65.88.88.125 ( talk) 16:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC)Veryverser
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This is hardly suitable for an infobox image when we have a proper portrait photo. We're not Maxim. -- NeilN talk to me 20:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
No, it's not just my end, something's wrong here. Look at the file page. Look at the thumbnail for the current version. Look at the lying-down letter C on the sign behind her. You can see about 90% of the letter, which is how that version of the image looks on my computer. Now click on the thumbnail. You now see less of the C, perhaps 70% of it. The thumbnail is correct, the image itself is the original. ― Mandruss ☎ 23:11, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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I think WP:MINORS applies here: the children's names should not be included, even if substantiated by reliable sources. The guidance states "Do not name or otherwise identify the person, even if good sources do publish the name, when a more general description will suffice."- Bri ( talk) 01:05, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
The original version of the family name was Grünstein, as they did not come from any English-speaking country. It is German, with an Umlaut. The literal translation into English would be Green stone. So apparently after emigration they felt they had to alter the vowl to ease pronounciation by people unfamiliar with German sounds. - The same happened in many instances in North America after Emigration. You easily recognize that in a name if you are familiar with the language.
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The lede summarizes the article. Notable events should be covered in the lede; consistent removal of notable events (Miss Israel Pageant win, and Fast and Furious role) are notable items within her biography, and should be included. These are items that made her notable long before Wonder Woman was ever offered for a role, as shown by her notability prior to 2014. Scr★pIron IV 21:26, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
The current version of the article has a section named "Activism and recognition". The section has a single paragraph which states:
On October 21, 2016, the 75th anniversary of her first appearance, the Wonder Woman character was designated by the United Nations as its "Honorary Ambassador for the Empowerment of Women and Girls", a gesture intended to promote global gender equality and empowerment. In attendance to mark the occasion was Gadot, fellow Wonder Woman actress Lynda Carter, DC Entertainment President Diane Nelson, Wonder Woman director Patty Jenkins and U.N. Under-Secretary General Cristina Gallach.
The content of this paragraph is
I am therefore removing this section. Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 14:27, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
This section was recently removed from the military service section by Avaya1, a biased pro-Israel user who has a history of adding pro-Israel material and removing material which paints Israel in a negative light from various articles. This was done under the pretence that it was political and should not be included in actor entries. This is not reasonable as wiki entries should very much contain political leanings and affiliations, especially for those actors who use their spotlight to shine light onto these personal leanings.
The movie has been banned in a number of countries due to these remarks by the actor; it would be disingenuous to pretend that it was not relevant or important.
I propose that we add to the personal life section, or create a new activism section, or a controversy section:
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09:42, 6 July 2017 (UTC)I suggest CaptainJustice read Wikipedia:No personal attacks, Wikipedia:Etiquette and WP:AVOIDABUSE before making accusations against other editors. The material on Twitter comments and Zionism are clearly undue and not suitable for a BLP encyclopedia entry, as a result multiple editors (including myself) have removed this material. In addition, CaptainJustice has apparently stated at the beginning of this very discussion, that he is adding this content for political reasons. Avaya1 ( talk) 01:12, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Light show, would you kindly consider the following?
Again, I would like to highlight that the article's entire body is showing the subject in a positive and flattering light only: Roles won, awards won, pageants won, modeling contracts won, which brands she represents, awards nominated for et al; and her immense income from these streams . Any negative content which aims to paint a more complete picture, even when genuinely true, has been removed. The following additions aim to paint a more neutral picture of the subject so that the article is less a five star endorsement / advertisement of the subject, and more a wholly rounded information peace, which is more in keeping with the spirit of Wikipedia.
I propose that the military section be edited to: CaptainJustice ( talk) 23:19, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Military service and support for the Israel Defence Forces
1) At the age of 20, Gadot served for two years as an enlisted soldier in the Israel Defense Forces, serving as a combat trainer. [8] She says of her time in the army: "You give two or three years, and it's not about you. You learn discipline and respect." [9] Gadot says that her background helped her to win the role of Gisele in Fast & Furious: "I think the main reason was that the director Justin Lin really liked that I was in the military, and he wanted to use my knowledge of weapons." [10]
2) Gadot has spoken publicly about her support for the Israeli military in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As the conflict between Israel and Gaza deteriorated, she uploaded a photograph of herself praying with her daughter Alma, and wrote “I am sending my love and prayers to my fellow Israeli citizens. Especially to all the boys and girls who are risking their lives protecting my country against the horrific acts conducted by Hamas, who are hiding like cowards behind women and children...We shall overcome!!! Shabbat Shalom!" [11] This message was "met with immense backlash". [12] [13]
3) I would like to kindly highlight here that unlike other films which had been banned in Arab countries in the somewhat distant past simply because an actor was Israeli, Gadot's film was banned because of her publicly stated support for one side in the conflict as well as boasting about her military training. Had she not made these remarks, the film would most likely not have been banned, especially on the 11th hour before premiere screenings. Giving an example, Natalie Portman is Israeli but there is no ban on her films (for any reason). Portman, in fact, wrote a letter to a paper highlighting her neutral stance, and calling upon us all to take responsibility, including Europe and the US. [14] CaptainJustice ( talk) 23:19, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
4) Her latest film, Wonder Woman, was consequently banned in Lebanon by the Lebanese government following an effort by a group called Campaign to Boycott Supporters of Israel which accused Gadot of "boasting about the army training her for Hollywood" and condemned her for supporting the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict, [15] in addition to Gadot's service during the 2006 Lebanon War. [15] [16] The film was consequently also banned in Tunisia, and Qatar. [17]
5) Obviously I can't add the following, word for word. However, can I add the gist, but perhaps in a more tasteful manner? I want to highlight that very many people feel that Wonder Woman's stance would be that of Portman which highlights the similarities between all of us and calls on us all to take responsibility, rather than that of Gadot who naively supports a single side in a multi-faceted conflict. CaptainJustice ( talk) 23:19, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
6) Since she took the acting role of Wonder Woman, "the actress has been ridiculed for the character she plays vs. what she stands for, with her critics noting that she chooses to support inhumane war crimes against innocent Palestinian civilians while playing a character that would be opposed to such a thing." [18]
7) I believe Avaya1 has also removed a section which dealt with Gadot being the face of an Israeli clothing brand Castro, where she attracted criticism from the Israel's more conservative community when she appeared nude in a commercial; prodding 9 members of the Israeli senate to write a letter of protest.
Modeling After: Gadot has been the main model for fashion brand Castro in 2008–2016. [19]
I would like to add:
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Military service is compulsory in Israel ( although some avoid it). Woman are required to serve 21 months (there also seems to be some variation in time depending on the type of training received, I didn't do a very deep search). Service is required at age 18 although there seem to be allowances. The article says Gadot served for 2 years, so basically the time required.
Not many countries have compulsory military service for women. You can read between the lines but one specific sentence "Gadot joined the Israeli Army." is misleading. Without knowing the cultural background and the _unusual_ fact that service is required, that phrasing implies much more choice than really exists. I do not want to diminish her service to her country in any way, but an encyclopedia should be clear and unambiguous and try to avoid misinterpretations that might arise for readers with different cultural backgrounds. I would advise a more cautious wording. (Also while writing this and looking closely at the sources, I notice that the paragraph says, she was modeling at age nineteen, and again somewhat redundantly says, "At age 19, Gadot joined the Israeli Army" but the source UMM.ca says "At the age of 20," so the current wording is not supported by the source. The source for her studying law is also unclear, the phrasing implies she left her studies incomplete as her film career took off, but the source says she was working as a model and actress. It is entirely possible she was also studying law but I haven't trawled through the other sources yet to try and find out where that is stated.)
The article already requires review but I don't have a specific wording yet that I think would be better. I'd appreciate if someone could take a look and maybe phrase things more cautiously. (Corrections, or named references, may also be needed to make sources clearer, for the minor issues I mentioned in parenthesis in the previous paragraph.) -- 93.107.152.97 ( talk) 00:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
According to the Hebrew Wikipedia, Gadot was not a "Combat Instructor" but a "Combat Fitness Trainer" (She didn't teach soldiers how to fight. She kept them in physical shape). Barakb32 ( talk) 12:17, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
This is accurate that it is mandatory to serve in the Israeli defence forces. This is not notable, nor special as all Israeli 18 year olds must serve. OMEGAUNIT ( talk) 08:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
The article currently says "Combat Trainer" which is a nonsensical title that implies she was involved with tactical or melee instruction. 122.249.85.143 ( talk) 12:24, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
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Gal Gadot is the new face of Revlon. [3] Sokuya ( talk) 22:08, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
This image was reinserted by Winkelvi. I think it has no MOS:PERTINENCE, as it just an image of her on her own at the same event is used just before in the infobox. Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 23:28, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm that this is actually how you would use this special spelling method to pronounce Gal Gadot's name correctly?
gah-L GAH-do-T'
And here is her saying it at Jimmy Kimmel's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA8pQMJrcNY/ EditsOrArticles ( talk) 21:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
The English notation has been reinstated citing this article, but whoever wrote it clearly didn't understand how language works. As mentioned above, the vowel in the final syllable is [o] ([ o̞ to be precise), which doesn't exist in English. So English speakers are likely to perceive it as whatever is the closest sound that exists in their accent when they hear her pronunciation. Chances are Americans hear the sound of boat, while Britons hear the sound of dot, because generally the words are pronounced respectively with [oʊ] (starts with a back sound with lip rounding) and [ɑ] (no rounding) in many accents of North America and [əʊ] (starts with a schwa, i.e. no rounding) and [ɒ] (single sound, rounded) in RP. But strictly speaking neither are correct because [oʊ] is two sounds, [ɒ] is too low, and [əʊ]/[ɑ] are not round for good measure. Whatever the case, the confusion seems primarily to lie in whether or not the final "t" is pronounced (mistaking it for a French name), so, again, we can't possibly have one definitive notation until one particular way is adopted by the majority of English speakers, and it might be better if we just had one Hebrew pronunciation and let the reader decide how to articulate it. Nardog ( talk) 10:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
In the Jimmy Kimmel interview, Kimmel pronounced her full name as /ˈɡæl ɡəˈdoʊt/, to which she corrected the last name to /ɡəˈdɒt/. She says it later again with the same Anglicized pronunciation. As for the first name, she didn't correct Kimmel, and said it afterwards with (what I assume is) an Israeli accent, so either
Either way, she clearly has a preferred English pronunciation for her last name, so it should be noted alongside the Hebrew pronunciation.
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In the first video, she first says /ɡəˈdɒt/, then /ɡəˈdɑːt/, and both can be interpreted as /ɡəˈdɒt/. She can't expect Americans to say /ɡəˈdɒt/, as /ɒ/ merges with /ɑː/ for the vast majority of Americans. The sequence ⟨ot⟩ is never /ɔːt/ in English, so that's a no-no either. The reason she corrects the /ɡəˈdoʊt/ pronunciation is simple ignorance of how English accents work. Kimmel doesn't even get /ɡəˈdɒt/ right and says /ɡəˈdʌt/ instead.
/ɡəˈdoʊt/ is a perfectly regular anglicization of Hebrew /ɡaˈdot/, at least as far as American English is concerned. In loanwords, stressed ⟨o⟩ is regularly mapped to /oʊ/. Spanish /o/ is practically the same as Hebrew /o/, yet nobody has a problem with saying /ˈɡoʊmɛz/ for Gomez or Gómez.
I don't think she can truly have a preference for the exact English pronunciation of her name. She should educate herself on English phonetics and phonology before correcting native speakers on that and then make an educated choice on how to pronounce her name in English.
Compare the very similar case of Alja Tomljanovic. Mr KEBAB ( talk) 12:17, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
I've removed the English IPA. [5] says that the correct pronunciation is /ɡəˈdɒt/. But in [6] (which it cites), we can hear that Gadot can't differentiate between /ɡəˈdoʊt/, /ɡəˈdɒt/ and /ɡəˈdʌt/; instead, all she "corrects" in Kimmel's pronunciation is the final /t/, which she apparently wants to be audibly released, not being aware that the distinction is allophonic in English. Mr KEBAB ( talk) 09:36, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
CindyShae1986 made an edit yesterday changing the spelling of Gadot's husband's name from Yaron Varsano to Jaron Varsano. I reverted because it's spelled Yaron in the cited source. However, they then pointed out to me on my talk page that Varsano's Instagram account is jaronvarsano. I did some Googling, and it seems like the spelling is just about interchangeable - I see many articles spelling it each way, with maybe a few more coming back as Yaron (and at least one referring to "Yaron Varsano aka Jaron Varsano"). Anybody have any idea what's going on here? I'm guessing there's a linguistic thing going on that I don't know anything about? ‑‑ ElHef ( Meep?) 04:04, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
The subject was identified as Gal Gadot Varsano in the introductory paragraph on the basis of this source: "גל גדות על פרשת אופק בוכריס: "איפה הצדק?"".
Now, the publication making this claim is Ynet; can we trust the site to have properly vetted that the Ynet account in question does belong to Gadot? — C.Fred ( talk) 22:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
An anonymous IP who seems to have a knowledge of Wikipedia already (possibly editing anon to escape scrutiny with their registered account?) is insisting on Gadot's name in the lead to be solely Gal Gadot-Versano, despite policy found at WP:NAMECHANGES, WP:COMMONNAME, and MOS:LEGALNAME. It's established policy that we use recognizable names and names commonly used and known by - if there is a name change, we still use the commonly known name. It's also common to add "aka" (also known as) in the lead for the uncommonly known and used name following a name-change. In the case of this article, the name should read, "Gal Gadot (aka Gal Gadot Varsano)".
Would love to see this anon IP comment here rather than edit war. My suggestion is that the pending change/reversion they have just made not be accepted until discussion ensues and a better understanding and/or consensus is reached based on policy. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 21:39, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:COMMONNAME don't apply to opening paragraphs because they are under Wikipedia:Article titles. And MOS:LEGALNAME doesn't recommend a construction with "aka". The relevant sections of guidelines in this case, rather, are MOS:FULLNAME and MOS:MULTINAMES, and they doesn't mention "aka" either. As for hypen vs. space, unless there is an existing guideline or consensus on how to represent Israeli names on English Wikipedia, what we should consult is not Hebrew sources but what reliable sources written in English do and what other English Wikipedia articles about Israelis do. And I haven't seen concrete evidence to support putting the birth name before the current full name (which MOS:FULLNAME proscribes) or using a space for separating the surnames. I'm not going to fight this because it is far from my priority, and sockpuppetry is indeed inexcusable, but it is nonetheless strange to find myself siding with an IP against a couple of seemingly very experienced editors. Nardog ( talk) 11:31, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
@ ScrapIronIV: How does my edit not reflect the content of the current sources? 13zmz13 ( talk) 13:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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Reversion back to old photo showing a less mature Gadot was done. The current image is a newer photo, reflects who she is now, and the change to the current one was made based on that. It has been status quo for a few months now. The revert back was bold, now WP:BRD applies - please discuss on article talk page, Avaya1. Thanks. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 18:00, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
What area did her grandmother leave before the German army came? Calle Widmann ( talk) 21:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
The Wiki article says her father is 6th Generation Israeli but that's not possible. Israel was formed in 1947. Gadot was born in 1985. Take a conservative estimate, and imagine that her father was a young as 20 when he had her, that would mean he was born in 1965. If his father was 20, that would mean her grandfather was born in 1945, before Israel was formed, so Michael would be a first generation Israeli, not sixth. I see the citation is Rolling Stone Magazine. I love Rolling Stone but they're not exactly a peer-reviewed source. I think they it wrong, because it is possible mathematically possible. Could some please delete this from the main body of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.195.204.254 ( talk) 05:50, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Gal Gadot is not the voice of Wonder Woman in The Lego Movie 2: The Second Part. Wonder Woman in that animated film is voiced by Cobie Smulders. 104.49.119.231 ( talk) 13:34, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
It is nice that actors visit sick children in hospital and all, but I don't see how it is particularly notable. (Chris Pratt and Chris Evans have visited hospitals in costume but it is not mentioned in their articles.) Could someone please clarify why this is notable and add the necessary context or remove the sentence from the article. -- 22:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.235.192 ( talk)
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I think her upcoming projects, as announced on the official Instagram for Pilot Wave Motion Pictures and other sources such as Deadline, should be included on this Wikipedia page. #bodyContent a[title="User:Dreamfigure"] { background-color: #00FFFF; color: #FFFFFF; font-weight: bold; } 07:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
@ IslamBro: has taken it upon himself to change the infobox image to one that is two years newer. I am not so sure it is an improvement. The lighting on the 2016 photo is very good. Her face is very visible, and seen straight on. The 2018 photo is two years newer (that's a plus) but the lighting is poor, deep shadows, her face is darkened and can't see well, the background has poor contrast. Thoughts? Elizium23 ( talk) 09:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
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Can you add a space between Apple and TV+, please? 45.72.243.103 ( talk) 22:53, 22 August 2020 (UTC)