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Reviewer: Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I'll review this article tonight. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Here are the issues:
Just a couple things. Article will be put on hold and passed when the issues are fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 14:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
The "assaults" mentioned in the article bring up a question: How does Wikipedia distinguish between the (sorry, wrestling fans) obviously scripted events called "assaults" and actual real-world assaults? There's no discussion of police and legal action re these "assaults," which tells me that the fiction of wrestling is being discussed as if it were reality. Derrick Chapman 22:30, 25 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derrickchapman ( talk • contribs)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Gail Kim's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 19:31, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Please stop changing the maneuver's type to "stomp facebreaker". The move is specifically called an "inverted stomp facebreaker" because it is done in a reversed fashion, as oppose to actually stomping on one's face, and this is well-documented. This also means stop changing the name of the move that's in between the hash tag and the vertical bar to this, as this is vandalism of the move's name tagged with the "professional wrestling throws" page. Thank you. AjaKongfan —Preceding undated comment added 01:30, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
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The "assaults" mentioned in the article bring up a question: How does Wikipedia distinguish between the (sorry, wrestling fans) obviously scripted events called "assaults" and actual real-world assaults? There's no discussion of police and legal action re these "assaults," which tells me that the fiction of wrestling is being discussed as if it were reality. (this is an old comment posted in 2012 to Talk:Gail_Kim#Untitled, without reply)
In addition, is it a good idea to describe outcomes of scripted play as winning? "where she won the WWE Women's Championship in her first match" For me it seems like writing in Ian McKellen article "was fighting against Christopher Lee during War of the Ring" (instead of something like "He achieved worldwide fame for his notable film roles, which include Magneto in the X-Men films and Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings")
Note, this nomination was triggered by nominating traslation of this article to our equivalent to GA - https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Propozycje_do_Dobrych_Artyku%C5%82%C3%B3w/Gail_Kim Unfortunately I have extremely limited knowledge about acting so I am not qualified to fix this.
AFAIK the "assault" thing may be also a WP:BLP issue
Mateusz Konieczny ( talk) 09:27, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
I've long supported removing in-universe material. There does come a point where we end up overdoing this though and the end result is just as insulting to readers as trying to pass off the fictional material as totally legitimate. Here's a New York Times article on Jinder Mahal's rise. It's written like our articles should be because it makes it clear where the lines between kayfabe and reality are. But it still uses phrases like "[Mahal] won the championship at a pay-per-view in May called Backlash" and "Mahal will fight a rising star named Shinsuke Nakamura." Everyone who reads this article, even those who never heard of professional wrestling before, can tell Mahal and Nakamura aren't going to "fight" Fraser and Ali style. I don't think, even in the world of wrestling lingo, that there's a word for "choreographed fight" and repeatedly stating that every match is pre-determined is counter productive. The article also gives some background on the process Mahal went through to "win" his championship. In the past I've compared it to winning any other award; bookers ultimately select a champion to represent their company. LM2000 ( talk) 09:47, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
So I'm just going to point out once again. Editor A will show that the article has achieved at passing the guidelines posed by the in universe policy in a reasonable fashion that sources even attest too. Editor B will whine that it is in universe and never provide a single source of reference for their claim. And we repeat and repeat because someone is ignorant to how wrestling articles are even written or to the history of how the articles are written. And this discussion just keeps going and going and going with no good end result. Lets make it simple. A national publication that is designed to be written to garner the largest audience possible is writing their articles in the exact same fashion as we do. The articles thus passes the in universe policy. We have proof we are writing the articles to fit all readers. This thing needs to be closed. I'm going to put in a request at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure for closure because the only legitimate grievance is the in universe issue and that was just legitimately fixed and addressed. I may not be an uninvolved editor, but someone else needs to be involved in this farce.-- Will C 07:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
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No problem. Here are the issues:
Just a couple things. Article will be put on hold and passed when the issues are fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 14:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
The "assaults" mentioned in the article bring up a question: How does Wikipedia distinguish between the (sorry, wrestling fans) obviously scripted events called "assaults" and actual real-world assaults? There's no discussion of police and legal action re these "assaults," which tells me that the fiction of wrestling is being discussed as if it were reality. Derrick Chapman 22:30, 25 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derrickchapman ( talk • contribs)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Gail Kim's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "WWE":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 19:31, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Please stop changing the maneuver's type to "stomp facebreaker". The move is specifically called an "inverted stomp facebreaker" because it is done in a reversed fashion, as oppose to actually stomping on one's face, and this is well-documented. This also means stop changing the name of the move that's in between the hash tag and the vertical bar to this, as this is vandalism of the move's name tagged with the "professional wrestling throws" page. Thank you. AjaKongfan —Preceding undated comment added 01:30, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
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The "assaults" mentioned in the article bring up a question: How does Wikipedia distinguish between the (sorry, wrestling fans) obviously scripted events called "assaults" and actual real-world assaults? There's no discussion of police and legal action re these "assaults," which tells me that the fiction of wrestling is being discussed as if it were reality. (this is an old comment posted in 2012 to Talk:Gail_Kim#Untitled, without reply)
In addition, is it a good idea to describe outcomes of scripted play as winning? "where she won the WWE Women's Championship in her first match" For me it seems like writing in Ian McKellen article "was fighting against Christopher Lee during War of the Ring" (instead of something like "He achieved worldwide fame for his notable film roles, which include Magneto in the X-Men films and Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings")
Note, this nomination was triggered by nominating traslation of this article to our equivalent to GA - https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Propozycje_do_Dobrych_Artyku%C5%82%C3%B3w/Gail_Kim Unfortunately I have extremely limited knowledge about acting so I am not qualified to fix this.
AFAIK the "assault" thing may be also a WP:BLP issue
Mateusz Konieczny ( talk) 09:27, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
I've long supported removing in-universe material. There does come a point where we end up overdoing this though and the end result is just as insulting to readers as trying to pass off the fictional material as totally legitimate. Here's a New York Times article on Jinder Mahal's rise. It's written like our articles should be because it makes it clear where the lines between kayfabe and reality are. But it still uses phrases like "[Mahal] won the championship at a pay-per-view in May called Backlash" and "Mahal will fight a rising star named Shinsuke Nakamura." Everyone who reads this article, even those who never heard of professional wrestling before, can tell Mahal and Nakamura aren't going to "fight" Fraser and Ali style. I don't think, even in the world of wrestling lingo, that there's a word for "choreographed fight" and repeatedly stating that every match is pre-determined is counter productive. The article also gives some background on the process Mahal went through to "win" his championship. In the past I've compared it to winning any other award; bookers ultimately select a champion to represent their company. LM2000 ( talk) 09:47, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
So I'm just going to point out once again. Editor A will show that the article has achieved at passing the guidelines posed by the in universe policy in a reasonable fashion that sources even attest too. Editor B will whine that it is in universe and never provide a single source of reference for their claim. And we repeat and repeat because someone is ignorant to how wrestling articles are even written or to the history of how the articles are written. And this discussion just keeps going and going and going with no good end result. Lets make it simple. A national publication that is designed to be written to garner the largest audience possible is writing their articles in the exact same fashion as we do. The articles thus passes the in universe policy. We have proof we are writing the articles to fit all readers. This thing needs to be closed. I'm going to put in a request at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure for closure because the only legitimate grievance is the in universe issue and that was just legitimately fixed and addressed. I may not be an uninvolved editor, but someone else needs to be involved in this farce.-- Will C 07:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)