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according to
[1], the census data from 2004 shows that the population of comrat was not even close to 70.000 people.
Constantzeanu
02:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
The official language of The Republic of Moldova, has been ever since independence "Moldovan"(which is virtually the same as romanian), so I don't understand the statement "The Gagauz national movement intensified when Romanian was accepted as the official language of the Republic of Moldova.", that never happened, the President of the Republic Of Moldova, Mircea Snegur, proposed that Constitutional Amendment to the Parliament but it failed and was classified as "Romanian Expansionism", so, therefore I am deleting that sentence. Sufitul 13 April, 2006
The [Independence declarations of Gagauzia and Transnistria] prompted the nationalist Popular Front to tone down its pro-Romanian line and speak up for the rights of minorities. - umm, what? The events prompted them to send armed volunteers to the breakaway regions, causing further escalation of the conflict. The "toning down" happened only later, in 1994 when the popularity of the Popular Front (and thus, their number of seats in the Parliament) suffered a sharp decline (no pun intended :)). Of course, there's always the chance that I've missed something important. Perhaps somebody here could provide a link to PF activists actually speaking up for the rights of minorities back then? -- Illythr 23:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I meant to say:
Găgăuzia is in Romanian, Gagauz-Yeri is in Gagauz, and the Moldovan (Parliament's) Law uses both names from respect to the minority. Short English is Gagauzia, without diactics.
If the double name is not official, how come the russian version of the laws also use "Гагаузия (Гагауз-Ери)"? And how come the Moldovan version doesn't use the Russian diacritic free Gagauzia too? They have less respect for the Russian minority? Anonimu 17:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
In the text is written "the right of self-determination". I have put a fact tag there. Unless is provided soon an official document to support this, I will remove the sentence. Sambure talk 05:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Here you go: ЗАКОН об особом правовом статусе Гагаузии (Гагауз Ери) Nr.344-XIII от 23.12.94 in Russian in Romanian
“ | Ст.1. - (1) Гагаузия (Гагауз Ери) - это территориальное автономное образование с особым статусом как форма самоопределения гагаузов, являющееся составной частью Республики Молдова.
(2) Гагаузия в пределах своей компетенции самостоятельно решает вопросы политического, экономического и культурного развития в интересах всего населения. (3) На территории Гагаузии гарантируются все права и свободы, предусмотренные Конституцией и законодательством Республики Молдова. (4) В случае изменения статуса Республики Молдова как независимого государства народ Гагаузии имеет право на внешнее самоопределение. |
” |
Alæxis ¿question? 13:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.e-democracy.md/files/elections/gagauzia2006/special-legal-status-gagauzia-ro.pdf this one is old, plus is not the official link. It's from e-democracy. Give me a link from official web sites of Gov. or Presidency. I asked you the latest documents, because as you know the law from 1994 is not functioning any more. -- Sambure talk 13:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
From constitution of Moldova:
Article 111. Special Autonomy Statutes (1) The places on the left bank of the Nistru river, as well as certain other places in the south of the Republic of Moldova may be granted special forms of autonomy according to special statutory provisions of organic law. (2) The organic laws establishing special statutes for the places mentioned under paragraph (1) above may be amended if three fifths of the Parliament members support such amendments.
Now show me where is written in the Constitution that "If Moldova decided to unite with Romania, Gagauzia would have the right of self-determination" this is the line that you kept inserting there. Sambure talk 14:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
The ammendament of the law from 1994 regarding the status of Gagauzia, taken from the official website of Parliament of Moldova: http://www.parliament.md/download/laws/ro/344-XV-25.07.2003.doc
3. Articolul 111 va avea următorul cuprins:
„Articolul 111. Unitatea teritorială autonomă Găgăuzia
(1) Găgăuzia este o unitate teritorială autonomă cu un statut special care, fiind o formă de autodeterminare a găgăuzilor, este parte integrantă şi inalienabilă a Republicii Moldova şi soluţionează de sine stătător, în limitele competenţei sale, potrivit prevederilor Constituţiei Republicii Moldova, în interesul întregii populaţii, problemele cu caracter politic, economic şi cultural.
(2) Pe teritoriul unităţii teritoriale autonome Găgăuzia sînt garantate toate drepturile şi libertăţile prevăzute de Constituţia şi legislaţia Republicii Moldova.
(3) În unitatea teritorială autonomă Găgăuzia activează organe reprezentative şi executive potrivit legii.
(4) Pămîntul, subsolul, apele, regnul vegetal şi cel animal, alte resurse naturale aflate pe teritoriul unităţii teritoriale autonome Găgăuzia sînt proprietate a poporului Republicii Moldova şi constituie totodată baza economică a Găgăuziei.
(5) Bugetul unităţii teritoriale autonome Găgăuzia se formează în conformitate cu normele stabilite în legea care reglementează statutul special al Găgăuziei.
(6) Controlul asupra respectării legislaţiei Republicii Moldova în unitatea teritorială autonomă Găgăuzia se exercită de Guvern, în condiţiile legii.
(7) Legea organică care reglementează statutul special al unităţii teritoriale autonome Găgăuzia poate fi modificată cu votul a trei cincimi din numărul deputaţilor aleşi în Parlament.”
PREŞEDINTELE PARLAMENTULUI
EUGENIA OSTAPCIUCChişinău, 25 iulie 2003. Nr.344-XV.
So, the law from 1994 was ammendated and there isn't any reference for "If Moldova decided to unite with Romania, Gagauzia would have the right of self-determination" this is the line that you kept inserting there. Sambure talk 14:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's what the amendment to the Constitution changes in the text. This 2004 statement by the chairwoman confirms not only that the law on the special status of Gagauzia is still in force, but that steps were taken to enforce it. -- Illythr ( talk) 15:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I have protected the page for 48 hours until you guys can discuss your differences here. JodyB talk 14:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
User Dc76 Talk asked me to comment here on my partial revert on his edit that changed the second level header Administrative divisions into third level header Localities under second level header Geography. I think that the second level header Administrative divisions is more in line with Wikipedia standards. But the name of the header could as well be Municipalities, cities and communes. -- Jhattara ( Talk · Contrib) 08:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I started to clean up this confusion, but I'm sure there's more. A Gagauz is a Turk. A Gagauzian is not. A Gagauzian is a resident of Gagauzia, whether Turk, Romanian, Rom, or Russian. It makes no sense to say that some counties were 50% Gagauzian, because before the establishment of Gagauzia none of the inhabitants were Gagauzian, and afterwards all of them were. kwami ( talk) 20:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
User:Anonimu has again brought in the Moldovan/Romanian controversy. I can not possibly fend off this (imho) very damaging activity by this user: he jumps in from article to article at the most controversial issues and does the most controversial edits. Under a comment "partial rv" he not only rv fully, but even went beyond that. I desperately ask other users to look into the matter, otherwise I will just stop editing this article.
To the issue at hand, I'd like to add this example: Costeşti, Moldova is a small city that is composed of the city itself and a suburban village. All census data write the population of each locality separately. Summation is done only by rural/urban within an entity electing a mayor, and then district-wise. You cannot find anywhere in the 2004 statistics data how much is x+y, although you find x and y. A similar case exists for Anenii Noi: you can find the population of the city itself, of each of its 5 suburban villages, and the sum of the rural population (i.e. of the 5 villages), but the sum urban+rural is not there. And a tone of such cases awaits us in the future, because separate articles will exist only for legal entities electing own administration: cities and communes, not for the component small villages and hamlets. I claim it is by no mean OR to add x+y, as long as we write what is x, what is y, and state that x+y is the sum of x and y. The same is here: we write how many declared ethnicity as Moldovan, how many declared ethnicity as Romanian, and the sum, but we do not infer anything about the Moldova/Romanian controversy. Is this so complicated to get? Dc76\ talk 20:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
OK. I hope Anonimu is happy now. Dc76\ talk 20:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I found this page as I was searching for the English name for this people. A friend of mine is as a matter of fact a Gagauzan (that is where I first heard of them), and his account of his people was that they were an Orthodox Christian people in Asia Minor who at one point were forced by the Muslim Turks to either retain their language (whatever that was, I don't know) but become Muslims, or else give up their language for Turkish and retain their faith, and they chose the latter. Sometime later they fled to modern-day Moldavia, where a local ruler by the name of Gagauzos (or something like that) gave them land and protection and they, in gratitude and since they were hitherto nameless, took this king's name. That was his account, and obviously I believe him, being himself a Gagauzan. Anyway, so I wanted to share that, since I didn't see any hint at it on the page; if I missed it, forgive me. -Gregory H. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.92.8.180 ( talk) 20:28, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
So we need the name in English (this is English Wikipedia, after all), also Romanian, as the official language of the state, and Gaugaz, as used by the people themselves. But I see no need to add Ukrainian and Russian. Anyone disagree? Jan1naD ( talk • contrib) 14:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
it's extremely unusual to have a multilingual topo-map in the infobox, so I reverted this. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 10:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
In Moldova there are at least three important minority. So I made maps multilingual. You can not send everyone to their ethnic wikipedia. Unusual? From now on must be common. Moldova is a country with multiple languages. SVG Map is a map type simplistic, incomparable to the one made by me. I return to my version, considering your reason as childish beings. Asybaris01 ( talk) 07:14, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Is there a info about the gdp per capita in gagauzia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beshogur ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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this edit: the source might not be a reliable source on English terminology on Gagauzia. It is written by Norwegian and Polish politicians, and the English translated and copyedited by who knows whom. and by the way, it uses not Gagauz-Yeri, but Gagauzia-Yeri which appears in almost no books.
[2] —
Michael
Z. 22:44, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Done
Diff. —
Michael
Z.
20:42, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
This section begins: "Gagauzia comprises four enclaves".
An enclave is territory of one state, completely surrounded by territory of another state. On that definition, no part of Gagauzia comprises an "enclave", because Gagauzia is a part of Moldova, the surrounding state.
This section lacks any citations, so I propose to remove it. MrDemeanour ( talk) 11:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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according to
[1], the census data from 2004 shows that the population of comrat was not even close to 70.000 people.
Constantzeanu
02:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
The official language of The Republic of Moldova, has been ever since independence "Moldovan"(which is virtually the same as romanian), so I don't understand the statement "The Gagauz national movement intensified when Romanian was accepted as the official language of the Republic of Moldova.", that never happened, the President of the Republic Of Moldova, Mircea Snegur, proposed that Constitutional Amendment to the Parliament but it failed and was classified as "Romanian Expansionism", so, therefore I am deleting that sentence. Sufitul 13 April, 2006
The [Independence declarations of Gagauzia and Transnistria] prompted the nationalist Popular Front to tone down its pro-Romanian line and speak up for the rights of minorities. - umm, what? The events prompted them to send armed volunteers to the breakaway regions, causing further escalation of the conflict. The "toning down" happened only later, in 1994 when the popularity of the Popular Front (and thus, their number of seats in the Parliament) suffered a sharp decline (no pun intended :)). Of course, there's always the chance that I've missed something important. Perhaps somebody here could provide a link to PF activists actually speaking up for the rights of minorities back then? -- Illythr 23:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I meant to say:
Găgăuzia is in Romanian, Gagauz-Yeri is in Gagauz, and the Moldovan (Parliament's) Law uses both names from respect to the minority. Short English is Gagauzia, without diactics.
If the double name is not official, how come the russian version of the laws also use "Гагаузия (Гагауз-Ери)"? And how come the Moldovan version doesn't use the Russian diacritic free Gagauzia too? They have less respect for the Russian minority? Anonimu 17:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
In the text is written "the right of self-determination". I have put a fact tag there. Unless is provided soon an official document to support this, I will remove the sentence. Sambure talk 05:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Here you go: ЗАКОН об особом правовом статусе Гагаузии (Гагауз Ери) Nr.344-XIII от 23.12.94 in Russian in Romanian
“ | Ст.1. - (1) Гагаузия (Гагауз Ери) - это территориальное автономное образование с особым статусом как форма самоопределения гагаузов, являющееся составной частью Республики Молдова.
(2) Гагаузия в пределах своей компетенции самостоятельно решает вопросы политического, экономического и культурного развития в интересах всего населения. (3) На территории Гагаузии гарантируются все права и свободы, предусмотренные Конституцией и законодательством Республики Молдова. (4) В случае изменения статуса Республики Молдова как независимого государства народ Гагаузии имеет право на внешнее самоопределение. |
” |
Alæxis ¿question? 13:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.e-democracy.md/files/elections/gagauzia2006/special-legal-status-gagauzia-ro.pdf this one is old, plus is not the official link. It's from e-democracy. Give me a link from official web sites of Gov. or Presidency. I asked you the latest documents, because as you know the law from 1994 is not functioning any more. -- Sambure talk 13:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
From constitution of Moldova:
Article 111. Special Autonomy Statutes (1) The places on the left bank of the Nistru river, as well as certain other places in the south of the Republic of Moldova may be granted special forms of autonomy according to special statutory provisions of organic law. (2) The organic laws establishing special statutes for the places mentioned under paragraph (1) above may be amended if three fifths of the Parliament members support such amendments.
Now show me where is written in the Constitution that "If Moldova decided to unite with Romania, Gagauzia would have the right of self-determination" this is the line that you kept inserting there. Sambure talk 14:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
The ammendament of the law from 1994 regarding the status of Gagauzia, taken from the official website of Parliament of Moldova: http://www.parliament.md/download/laws/ro/344-XV-25.07.2003.doc
3. Articolul 111 va avea următorul cuprins:
„Articolul 111. Unitatea teritorială autonomă Găgăuzia
(1) Găgăuzia este o unitate teritorială autonomă cu un statut special care, fiind o formă de autodeterminare a găgăuzilor, este parte integrantă şi inalienabilă a Republicii Moldova şi soluţionează de sine stătător, în limitele competenţei sale, potrivit prevederilor Constituţiei Republicii Moldova, în interesul întregii populaţii, problemele cu caracter politic, economic şi cultural.
(2) Pe teritoriul unităţii teritoriale autonome Găgăuzia sînt garantate toate drepturile şi libertăţile prevăzute de Constituţia şi legislaţia Republicii Moldova.
(3) În unitatea teritorială autonomă Găgăuzia activează organe reprezentative şi executive potrivit legii.
(4) Pămîntul, subsolul, apele, regnul vegetal şi cel animal, alte resurse naturale aflate pe teritoriul unităţii teritoriale autonome Găgăuzia sînt proprietate a poporului Republicii Moldova şi constituie totodată baza economică a Găgăuziei.
(5) Bugetul unităţii teritoriale autonome Găgăuzia se formează în conformitate cu normele stabilite în legea care reglementează statutul special al Găgăuziei.
(6) Controlul asupra respectării legislaţiei Republicii Moldova în unitatea teritorială autonomă Găgăuzia se exercită de Guvern, în condiţiile legii.
(7) Legea organică care reglementează statutul special al unităţii teritoriale autonome Găgăuzia poate fi modificată cu votul a trei cincimi din numărul deputaţilor aleşi în Parlament.”
PREŞEDINTELE PARLAMENTULUI
EUGENIA OSTAPCIUCChişinău, 25 iulie 2003. Nr.344-XV.
So, the law from 1994 was ammendated and there isn't any reference for "If Moldova decided to unite with Romania, Gagauzia would have the right of self-determination" this is the line that you kept inserting there. Sambure talk 14:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's what the amendment to the Constitution changes in the text. This 2004 statement by the chairwoman confirms not only that the law on the special status of Gagauzia is still in force, but that steps were taken to enforce it. -- Illythr ( talk) 15:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I have protected the page for 48 hours until you guys can discuss your differences here. JodyB talk 14:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
User Dc76 Talk asked me to comment here on my partial revert on his edit that changed the second level header Administrative divisions into third level header Localities under second level header Geography. I think that the second level header Administrative divisions is more in line with Wikipedia standards. But the name of the header could as well be Municipalities, cities and communes. -- Jhattara ( Talk · Contrib) 08:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I started to clean up this confusion, but I'm sure there's more. A Gagauz is a Turk. A Gagauzian is not. A Gagauzian is a resident of Gagauzia, whether Turk, Romanian, Rom, or Russian. It makes no sense to say that some counties were 50% Gagauzian, because before the establishment of Gagauzia none of the inhabitants were Gagauzian, and afterwards all of them were. kwami ( talk) 20:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
User:Anonimu has again brought in the Moldovan/Romanian controversy. I can not possibly fend off this (imho) very damaging activity by this user: he jumps in from article to article at the most controversial issues and does the most controversial edits. Under a comment "partial rv" he not only rv fully, but even went beyond that. I desperately ask other users to look into the matter, otherwise I will just stop editing this article.
To the issue at hand, I'd like to add this example: Costeşti, Moldova is a small city that is composed of the city itself and a suburban village. All census data write the population of each locality separately. Summation is done only by rural/urban within an entity electing a mayor, and then district-wise. You cannot find anywhere in the 2004 statistics data how much is x+y, although you find x and y. A similar case exists for Anenii Noi: you can find the population of the city itself, of each of its 5 suburban villages, and the sum of the rural population (i.e. of the 5 villages), but the sum urban+rural is not there. And a tone of such cases awaits us in the future, because separate articles will exist only for legal entities electing own administration: cities and communes, not for the component small villages and hamlets. I claim it is by no mean OR to add x+y, as long as we write what is x, what is y, and state that x+y is the sum of x and y. The same is here: we write how many declared ethnicity as Moldovan, how many declared ethnicity as Romanian, and the sum, but we do not infer anything about the Moldova/Romanian controversy. Is this so complicated to get? Dc76\ talk 20:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
OK. I hope Anonimu is happy now. Dc76\ talk 20:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I found this page as I was searching for the English name for this people. A friend of mine is as a matter of fact a Gagauzan (that is where I first heard of them), and his account of his people was that they were an Orthodox Christian people in Asia Minor who at one point were forced by the Muslim Turks to either retain their language (whatever that was, I don't know) but become Muslims, or else give up their language for Turkish and retain their faith, and they chose the latter. Sometime later they fled to modern-day Moldavia, where a local ruler by the name of Gagauzos (or something like that) gave them land and protection and they, in gratitude and since they were hitherto nameless, took this king's name. That was his account, and obviously I believe him, being himself a Gagauzan. Anyway, so I wanted to share that, since I didn't see any hint at it on the page; if I missed it, forgive me. -Gregory H. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.92.8.180 ( talk) 20:28, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
So we need the name in English (this is English Wikipedia, after all), also Romanian, as the official language of the state, and Gaugaz, as used by the people themselves. But I see no need to add Ukrainian and Russian. Anyone disagree? Jan1naD ( talk • contrib) 14:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
it's extremely unusual to have a multilingual topo-map in the infobox, so I reverted this. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 10:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
In Moldova there are at least three important minority. So I made maps multilingual. You can not send everyone to their ethnic wikipedia. Unusual? From now on must be common. Moldova is a country with multiple languages. SVG Map is a map type simplistic, incomparable to the one made by me. I return to my version, considering your reason as childish beings. Asybaris01 ( talk) 07:14, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Is there a info about the gdp per capita in gagauzia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beshogur ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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Beshogur: Regarding
this edit: the source might not be a reliable source on English terminology on Gagauzia. It is written by Norwegian and Polish politicians, and the English translated and copyedited by who knows whom. and by the way, it uses not Gagauz-Yeri, but Gagauzia-Yeri which appears in almost no books.
[2] —
Michael
Z. 22:44, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Done
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Michael
Z.
20:42, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
This section begins: "Gagauzia comprises four enclaves".
An enclave is territory of one state, completely surrounded by territory of another state. On that definition, no part of Gagauzia comprises an "enclave", because Gagauzia is a part of Moldova, the surrounding state.
This section lacks any citations, so I propose to remove it. MrDemeanour ( talk) 11:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)