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Sooner or later he will need one, I don't spend enough time on Wikipedia to do it though. Danny Boy 420 ( talk) 03:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I had uploaded multiple images weeks ago and edits were made by other users. Having a pre-transition photo be the first thing a user sees is painful for me. Editors that continually revert changes to my profile pic that were made by other editors at my request are really doing a disservice to the entire trans community. Gabbituft ( talk) 05:54, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
That shouldn't be on there. 92.235.168.144 ( talk) 17:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
His current finisher is not called the "Burning Hammer" because that is an inverted Death Valley Driver. I know they've referred to it as a "Burning Hammer-type maneuver" which is likely where the confusion is from. As far as I know, his new finisher is unnamed. dj_ansi ( talk) 17:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that Curt Hawkins#In other media mentions that Hawkins is playable in Smackdown v Raw 2009. It makes me wonder, were he and Reks playable in any of the later games? I'll check to see if the current ones have roster lists on their pages. Ranze ( talk) 16:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Just read this 25 November 2014 interview, supposedly Cena told him "find another finisher or you're fired" because he thought the Burning Hammer looked too much like the attitude adjustment, even though the Hammer sets up with guy on side and has the guy land on his front while the Adjustment sets up with guy on front and lands on his back. Wondering if this should be included in some fashion that he spoke out against Cena.
Also related:
Might be others on this site or others. Ranze ( talk) 03:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Where does the essay located at WP:GenderID say that images must be scrubbed? Which is an essay, not policy. She is notable for being a wrestler. Nothing else. Any DUE image would be related to her wrestling. A time in her life where she would have a masculine look. This seems like a bit of a stretch and should be reverted but if there is a policy or some public disavowal of her wrestling days I am missing, please let me know. Slywriter ( talk) 04:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
should not be used unless the subject's pre-transition appearance is especially well-known and notable(emphasis added). A professional wrestler probably satisfies that criterion, but it is a bit tighter than simply being notable. Newimpartial ( talk) 18:49, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Just so it is recorded here, I will point out that last year's RfC at MOS:DEADNAME enshrined the principle that deadnames under which a person was never notable should not be included in articles; this has been understood as a reason to exclude from WP articles birth names in instances where a person had formerly been notable under their stage name but not under their birth name, q.v. Elliot Page. Newimpartial ( talk) 18:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
I believe we should keep the pronouns as he because he was wrestling as a male until he recently came out as Trans, I have nothing against Transgender I just don’t see the point changing it when we identified as male then ( TheKinkdomMan talk 21:32, 5 February 2021 (UTC))
He* ( TheKinkdomMan talk 21:35, 5 February 2021 (UTC))
I hope no one is driving a car to this logic where you are told a brick wall is a pile of sand.. you know it would really be funny if this was all a staged wrestling story script.. but it is obviously not because the transformation is well along. Nobody is saying that she is not a woman but it is very dangerous to tell people who were looking at a man that it was a woman it has to be explained very carefully the feelings and rights of Gabbi Tufts are very important but so too are the sanity tights of those trying to make sense of physical reality.. Strattonsmith ( talk) 23:48, 6 February 2021 (UTC)|
Yes I agree the policy is in place and will honor it. This is a talk page don't become what you so ardently oppose. Case closed. Strattonsmith ( talk) 14:16, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
In light of Gabbi coming out as transgender, one of the page categories needs to be updated. The American male professional wrestlers category needs to be changed to American female professional wrestlers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.37.165.243 ( talk) 23:41, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Since Tuft now identifies as a woman shouldn't the old pre-transition pictures be removed? Yodabyte ( talk) 10:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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Change main photo to any one of the newer one’s she posted on Instagram 98.116.167.50 ( talk) 00:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
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Would like to request changing Gabbi's photo since her current photo is from before her transition 24.192.44.142 ( talk) 13:57, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
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Change Gabbi's photo from a photo before her transition Chaceadkins22 ( talk) 14:00, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
If there's not going to be a new picture of her used for article following her transition, would it at least be possible to remove the pre-transition picture? I would have to imagine it's deeply disrespectful to keep the current picture up. 2A02:C7C:3669:1B00:755E:7CFC:BB78:F987 ( talk) 01:49, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Gabbi has requested that her pre transition photo not be the first picture on this page. If you would like to put a picture up please use a current photo. You can check her twitter where she has been trying to get Wikipedia to fix this. 2600:1700:2B40:C410:AC83:6D73:3E34:9010 ( talk) 03:58, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Given the scattered discussions above and recent edit warring on this subject, I've decided to formalise the discussion here.
As we have had difficulty acquiring a post-transition photo of Tuft, the question is should we continue to use the previous image ( File:Tyler Reks 2012.jpg) until such time that we're able to replace it with a more recent picture, or should the infobox remain blank? Of course, it goes without saying that once a more recent picture becomes available it'll be replaced. — Czello 20:31, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Avoid using an out-of-date, pre-coming-out photo of a transgender subject as a lead image. If no other photos are available, it is generally better to have no lead image at all.TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 20:49, 16 February 2023 (UTC)TheTranarchist
To be clear, GIDINFO only has the force of an essay, but I do think it represents the community view of best practices. The same conclusion was reached, for example, in this discussion and this one. Newimpartial ( talk) 21:05, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
In the first sentence after the comma, the grammar needs to be corrected. It should read "Tuft has been working in marketing." instead of "Tuft works in marketing." 2600:6C5E:563F:B543:20F4:850D:AA9F:2D1F ( talk) 01:11, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Hey ya'll!
Looking to update my page here and hoping one of you amazing editors could assist :)
If possible, how would we update the main photo again? CCO licensed photo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/193721339@N02/53406174506/in/dateposted-public/
Next, I was never trained by Mike Bell. I actually never met him. Wondering how this made it into my profile. TY!
Next, my current weight is hovering in the mid 180-lbs. What is the best way to get that updated? Google is showing I weight 240-something lbs (ouch) lol.
And finally, in the other media section, is there a way to update this? In 2023 alone I've been featured on several television shows and media outlets:
-The Tamron Hall Show: https://tamronhallshow.com/videos/wwes-first-transgender-star-gabbi-tuft-updates-us-on-her-3-year-transition/
-Breakfast Television https://www.breakfasttelevision.ca/videos/gabbi-tuft-on-navigating-her-transition-as-a-former-wwe-wrestler/
-The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/style/gabbi-tuft.html
-Insider.com https://www.tvinsider.com/1113738/ex-wwe-star-gabbi-tuft-plans-comeback-as-first-transgender-wrestling-superstar/
-Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/transgender-ex-wwe-wrestler-understands-company-boycotts-1823821
-Woman's World: Top 10 women run businesses in 2023 https://www.womansworld.com/posts/real-women-stories/top-10-women-led-businesses-and-brands
Thank you all so very much!
Gabbi :) Gabbituft ( talk) 18:48, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Genuine good faith question here. If Gabbi Tuft (as Tyler Reks) had won the WWE Championship, the same belt that Stone Cold and Rock held, would she now be recognized as the first woman to win the men's WWE Championship?
Asking since according to WP:GenderID this article treats her entire WWE career as if she was a female wrestler at the time (not debating whether she was or wasn't). Kvwiki1234 ( talk) 04:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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This article should adhere to the gender identity guideline because it contains material about one or more trans women. Precedence should be given to self-designation as reported in the most up-to-date reliable sources, anywhere in article space, even when it doesn't match what's most common in reliable sources. Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to by the pronouns, possessive adjectives, and gendered nouns (for example "man/woman", "waiter/waitress", "chairman/chairwoman") that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. Some people go by singular they pronouns, which are acceptable for use in articles. This applies in references to any phase of that person's life, unless the subject has indicated a preference otherwise. Former, pre-transition names may only be included if the person was notable while using the name; outside of the main biographical article, such names should only appear once, in a footnote or parentheses.If material violating this guideline is repeatedly inserted, or if there are other related issues, please report the issue to the LGBT WikiProject, or, in the case of living people, to the BLP noticeboard. |
Sooner or later he will need one, I don't spend enough time on Wikipedia to do it though. Danny Boy 420 ( talk) 03:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I had uploaded multiple images weeks ago and edits were made by other users. Having a pre-transition photo be the first thing a user sees is painful for me. Editors that continually revert changes to my profile pic that were made by other editors at my request are really doing a disservice to the entire trans community. Gabbituft ( talk) 05:54, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
That shouldn't be on there. 92.235.168.144 ( talk) 17:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
His current finisher is not called the "Burning Hammer" because that is an inverted Death Valley Driver. I know they've referred to it as a "Burning Hammer-type maneuver" which is likely where the confusion is from. As far as I know, his new finisher is unnamed. dj_ansi ( talk) 17:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that Curt Hawkins#In other media mentions that Hawkins is playable in Smackdown v Raw 2009. It makes me wonder, were he and Reks playable in any of the later games? I'll check to see if the current ones have roster lists on their pages. Ranze ( talk) 16:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Just read this 25 November 2014 interview, supposedly Cena told him "find another finisher or you're fired" because he thought the Burning Hammer looked too much like the attitude adjustment, even though the Hammer sets up with guy on side and has the guy land on his front while the Adjustment sets up with guy on front and lands on his back. Wondering if this should be included in some fashion that he spoke out against Cena.
Also related:
Might be others on this site or others. Ranze ( talk) 03:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Where does the essay located at WP:GenderID say that images must be scrubbed? Which is an essay, not policy. She is notable for being a wrestler. Nothing else. Any DUE image would be related to her wrestling. A time in her life where she would have a masculine look. This seems like a bit of a stretch and should be reverted but if there is a policy or some public disavowal of her wrestling days I am missing, please let me know. Slywriter ( talk) 04:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
should not be used unless the subject's pre-transition appearance is especially well-known and notable(emphasis added). A professional wrestler probably satisfies that criterion, but it is a bit tighter than simply being notable. Newimpartial ( talk) 18:49, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Just so it is recorded here, I will point out that last year's RfC at MOS:DEADNAME enshrined the principle that deadnames under which a person was never notable should not be included in articles; this has been understood as a reason to exclude from WP articles birth names in instances where a person had formerly been notable under their stage name but not under their birth name, q.v. Elliot Page. Newimpartial ( talk) 18:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
I believe we should keep the pronouns as he because he was wrestling as a male until he recently came out as Trans, I have nothing against Transgender I just don’t see the point changing it when we identified as male then ( TheKinkdomMan talk 21:32, 5 February 2021 (UTC))
He* ( TheKinkdomMan talk 21:35, 5 February 2021 (UTC))
I hope no one is driving a car to this logic where you are told a brick wall is a pile of sand.. you know it would really be funny if this was all a staged wrestling story script.. but it is obviously not because the transformation is well along. Nobody is saying that she is not a woman but it is very dangerous to tell people who were looking at a man that it was a woman it has to be explained very carefully the feelings and rights of Gabbi Tufts are very important but so too are the sanity tights of those trying to make sense of physical reality.. Strattonsmith ( talk) 23:48, 6 February 2021 (UTC)|
Yes I agree the policy is in place and will honor it. This is a talk page don't become what you so ardently oppose. Case closed. Strattonsmith ( talk) 14:16, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
In light of Gabbi coming out as transgender, one of the page categories needs to be updated. The American male professional wrestlers category needs to be changed to American female professional wrestlers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.37.165.243 ( talk) 23:41, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Since Tuft now identifies as a woman shouldn't the old pre-transition pictures be removed? Yodabyte ( talk) 10:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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Would like to request changing Gabbi's photo since her current photo is from before her transition 24.192.44.142 ( talk) 13:57, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
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Change Gabbi's photo from a photo before her transition Chaceadkins22 ( talk) 14:00, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
If there's not going to be a new picture of her used for article following her transition, would it at least be possible to remove the pre-transition picture? I would have to imagine it's deeply disrespectful to keep the current picture up. 2A02:C7C:3669:1B00:755E:7CFC:BB78:F987 ( talk) 01:49, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Gabbi has requested that her pre transition photo not be the first picture on this page. If you would like to put a picture up please use a current photo. You can check her twitter where she has been trying to get Wikipedia to fix this. 2600:1700:2B40:C410:AC83:6D73:3E34:9010 ( talk) 03:58, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Given the scattered discussions above and recent edit warring on this subject, I've decided to formalise the discussion here.
As we have had difficulty acquiring a post-transition photo of Tuft, the question is should we continue to use the previous image ( File:Tyler Reks 2012.jpg) until such time that we're able to replace it with a more recent picture, or should the infobox remain blank? Of course, it goes without saying that once a more recent picture becomes available it'll be replaced. — Czello 20:31, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Avoid using an out-of-date, pre-coming-out photo of a transgender subject as a lead image. If no other photos are available, it is generally better to have no lead image at all.TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 20:49, 16 February 2023 (UTC)TheTranarchist
To be clear, GIDINFO only has the force of an essay, but I do think it represents the community view of best practices. The same conclusion was reached, for example, in this discussion and this one. Newimpartial ( talk) 21:05, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
In the first sentence after the comma, the grammar needs to be corrected. It should read "Tuft has been working in marketing." instead of "Tuft works in marketing." 2600:6C5E:563F:B543:20F4:850D:AA9F:2D1F ( talk) 01:11, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Hey ya'll!
Looking to update my page here and hoping one of you amazing editors could assist :)
If possible, how would we update the main photo again? CCO licensed photo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/193721339@N02/53406174506/in/dateposted-public/
Next, I was never trained by Mike Bell. I actually never met him. Wondering how this made it into my profile. TY!
Next, my current weight is hovering in the mid 180-lbs. What is the best way to get that updated? Google is showing I weight 240-something lbs (ouch) lol.
And finally, in the other media section, is there a way to update this? In 2023 alone I've been featured on several television shows and media outlets:
-The Tamron Hall Show: https://tamronhallshow.com/videos/wwes-first-transgender-star-gabbi-tuft-updates-us-on-her-3-year-transition/
-Breakfast Television https://www.breakfasttelevision.ca/videos/gabbi-tuft-on-navigating-her-transition-as-a-former-wwe-wrestler/
-The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/style/gabbi-tuft.html
-Insider.com https://www.tvinsider.com/1113738/ex-wwe-star-gabbi-tuft-plans-comeback-as-first-transgender-wrestling-superstar/
-Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/transgender-ex-wwe-wrestler-understands-company-boycotts-1823821
-Woman's World: Top 10 women run businesses in 2023 https://www.womansworld.com/posts/real-women-stories/top-10-women-led-businesses-and-brands
Thank you all so very much!
Gabbi :) Gabbituft ( talk) 18:48, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Genuine good faith question here. If Gabbi Tuft (as Tyler Reks) had won the WWE Championship, the same belt that Stone Cold and Rock held, would she now be recognized as the first woman to win the men's WWE Championship?
Asking since according to WP:GenderID this article treats her entire WWE career as if she was a female wrestler at the time (not debating whether she was or wasn't). Kvwiki1234 ( talk) 04:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)