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G. B. Jones is strongly associated with LGBT culture in Canada, specifically with the queercore movement, and is regularly listed on weblists of notable LGBT people. Would the anon user who keeps removing LGBT-related categories from this article care to explain why? Bearcat 23:49, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Dear Bearcat, I removed those categories in the interest of being factual, not for any insidious reasons. If you read the recent essay I added to the links of Queercore, called "Queercore: the distinct identities of subculture", perhaps that will offer an explanation of why members of the queercore subculture may not wish to be affiliated with the gay and lesbian community. As well, if you read the interview with Ms. Jones in "Dangerous Drawings", you'll find she doesn't identify herself as gay/lesbian. In removing these categories I have acceded to her wishes. I hope this offers some explanation.
From " Queer"; ..."Because of the context in which it was reclaimed, queer has sociopolitical connotations, and is often preferred ...by those who strongly reject distinct sexual identities such as gay, lesbian...In this context, "queer" is not a synonym for LGBT..."
Don't change the name of this person from 'G.B.' to something else. In all the articles I've read, in all the books mentioned here, in everyone of the links from this page, both internal and external, the name of this artist is consistently G.B. Jones. Intheshadows 23:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The Queen of 'Zine. Authors: Block, Adam Source: Advocate; 11/20/90 Issue 564, p75, 1p, 2bw Abstract: Profiles artist and drummer of the band Fifth Column, G.B. Jones. Career history; Albums released by the group; Creative style; Major exhibitions. ISSN: 0001-8996
Even in the stubbiest stub articles, the year of birth is stated. How old is this person? When was she born? Could be 1975 or 1935 as far as I know. -- 85.178.101.61 ( talk) 09:54, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
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Year of birth is still missing after years of being around and most sentences don't have proper citations. There is a TON of stuff about Bruce La Bruce works with Jones that need filling in. Mansheimer ( talk) 23:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
The filmography section was a mess, mixing works by the subject with works by completely different people, not even clear what they are about and how they relate to the subject. I've kept the filmmakers own works in that list. The full list is below, so these should be sorted out and whatever relation to the subject, they should be used as inline citations, otherwise to the reader its confusing and makes no sense:
Mansheimer ( talk) 02:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Added a couple sources for Paul Petro (entire mention of this gallery apparently missing entirely!) and La Centrale, but the others listed still have no sources so those should definitely be added otherwise if not verifiable, has to be removed. Mansheimer ( talk) 02:53, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Lack of sources and insufficient content issue should necessitate merging this article with G. B. Jones. Mansheimer ( talk) 06:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Based on edit history, I suspect User:Intheshadows is connected to the subject or is the subject themselves. Many, if not most of their edits on this and other article do not use sources and suggest first-hand knowledge. Mansheimer ( talk) 09:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Jones is listed as lesbian in the categories but I can't find any reliable (non-blog) sources actually identifying her as such. Surely there must be at least one interview or bio out there that does provide this detail and conforms to WP:RS, WP:V? Mansheimer ( talk) 11:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
I assume there is also a source for her being a resident of Toronto? Mansheimer ( talk) 12:02, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Although the subject of the article is credited as a musician, and her bands are listed right at the top of the article, several editors (see above) have insisted that the fact that her band, Fifth Column was nominated for a Polaris Prize for their album To Sir With Hate under the Heritage section for three consecutive years: 2016; 2017; and 2018, is not notable These editors insist this should not be mentioned. The nomination is listed quite clearly on the Polaris Prize page for each year, and since the list is still visible, obviously it has cleared Wikipedia's criteria, and yet these editors still refuse to include it.The editor Mansheiner insists "Only anything directly pertaining to the subject of the article should be added", as if awards for albums this musician wrote and played on do not directly pertain to her. The logic behind Wikipedia's editing escapes me, as I imagine it will others, so I'll just leave this note here and give up on trying to improve this article. 216.154.9.114 ( talk)
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I noticed someone removed templates. Looking it over, I don't find it's been resolved and I have reverted the template removal. @ Mansheimer:, since you touched on this concern earlier as well, would you mind looking over if the article in current state is ready for template removal? Graywalls ( talk) 00:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
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G. B. Jones is strongly associated with LGBT culture in Canada, specifically with the queercore movement, and is regularly listed on weblists of notable LGBT people. Would the anon user who keeps removing LGBT-related categories from this article care to explain why? Bearcat 23:49, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Dear Bearcat, I removed those categories in the interest of being factual, not for any insidious reasons. If you read the recent essay I added to the links of Queercore, called "Queercore: the distinct identities of subculture", perhaps that will offer an explanation of why members of the queercore subculture may not wish to be affiliated with the gay and lesbian community. As well, if you read the interview with Ms. Jones in "Dangerous Drawings", you'll find she doesn't identify herself as gay/lesbian. In removing these categories I have acceded to her wishes. I hope this offers some explanation.
From " Queer"; ..."Because of the context in which it was reclaimed, queer has sociopolitical connotations, and is often preferred ...by those who strongly reject distinct sexual identities such as gay, lesbian...In this context, "queer" is not a synonym for LGBT..."
Don't change the name of this person from 'G.B.' to something else. In all the articles I've read, in all the books mentioned here, in everyone of the links from this page, both internal and external, the name of this artist is consistently G.B. Jones. Intheshadows 23:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The Queen of 'Zine. Authors: Block, Adam Source: Advocate; 11/20/90 Issue 564, p75, 1p, 2bw Abstract: Profiles artist and drummer of the band Fifth Column, G.B. Jones. Career history; Albums released by the group; Creative style; Major exhibitions. ISSN: 0001-8996
Even in the stubbiest stub articles, the year of birth is stated. How old is this person? When was she born? Could be 1975 or 1935 as far as I know. -- 85.178.101.61 ( talk) 09:54, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
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Year of birth is still missing after years of being around and most sentences don't have proper citations. There is a TON of stuff about Bruce La Bruce works with Jones that need filling in. Mansheimer ( talk) 23:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
The filmography section was a mess, mixing works by the subject with works by completely different people, not even clear what they are about and how they relate to the subject. I've kept the filmmakers own works in that list. The full list is below, so these should be sorted out and whatever relation to the subject, they should be used as inline citations, otherwise to the reader its confusing and makes no sense:
Mansheimer ( talk) 02:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Added a couple sources for Paul Petro (entire mention of this gallery apparently missing entirely!) and La Centrale, but the others listed still have no sources so those should definitely be added otherwise if not verifiable, has to be removed. Mansheimer ( talk) 02:53, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Lack of sources and insufficient content issue should necessitate merging this article with G. B. Jones. Mansheimer ( talk) 06:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Based on edit history, I suspect User:Intheshadows is connected to the subject or is the subject themselves. Many, if not most of their edits on this and other article do not use sources and suggest first-hand knowledge. Mansheimer ( talk) 09:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Jones is listed as lesbian in the categories but I can't find any reliable (non-blog) sources actually identifying her as such. Surely there must be at least one interview or bio out there that does provide this detail and conforms to WP:RS, WP:V? Mansheimer ( talk) 11:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
I assume there is also a source for her being a resident of Toronto? Mansheimer ( talk) 12:02, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Although the subject of the article is credited as a musician, and her bands are listed right at the top of the article, several editors (see above) have insisted that the fact that her band, Fifth Column was nominated for a Polaris Prize for their album To Sir With Hate under the Heritage section for three consecutive years: 2016; 2017; and 2018, is not notable These editors insist this should not be mentioned. The nomination is listed quite clearly on the Polaris Prize page for each year, and since the list is still visible, obviously it has cleared Wikipedia's criteria, and yet these editors still refuse to include it.The editor Mansheiner insists "Only anything directly pertaining to the subject of the article should be added", as if awards for albums this musician wrote and played on do not directly pertain to her. The logic behind Wikipedia's editing escapes me, as I imagine it will others, so I'll just leave this note here and give up on trying to improve this article. 216.154.9.114 ( talk)
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— Assignment last updated by Aqueenamary ( talk) 17:13, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
I noticed someone removed templates. Looking it over, I don't find it's been resolved and I have reverted the template removal. @ Mansheimer:, since you touched on this concern earlier as well, would you mind looking over if the article in current state is ready for template removal? Graywalls ( talk) 00:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)