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Reiner Gavriel let's talk here. Can you prove that national identity of Ingushes didn't exist in 17th century? Also I could also say that the national identity of Chechens didn't exist during that time.
The "Nokhchi" term is very young itself and first mention was in 18th century. The Torshkhoy who founded the Tärsh village are Ingush and never called themselves Chechen or anything else. In 17th century Ingush term was used for all Ingushes including fyappiy, don't lie please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk • contribs) 08:56, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Good that you mentioned Ingush folklore, during 17th century the Ghalghai term was already used for Fyappiy, from book "Ингуши" written by Яковлев: "Галгай Хамхи был дружен с одним богатым феппинцем (из племени феппий, живущего ближе к Дарьяльскому ущелью), который посватался за сестру Хамхи, калеку от рожденья. Два года тянулись переговоры, так как галгай не хотели родниться с низшим, подвластным им племенем феппинцев. Наконец, старший в роде галгаев, Эги, согласился на брак, назначив большой „калым“. Калека-жена родила от феппинца двух мальчиков. Они понравились своему дяде Хамхи и тот взял их себе на воспитание. Одного он сделал пастухом, а другого оставил в своем доме. Однажды Хамхи заметил, что его воспитанник-мальчик сидит печален. Хамхи призвал свою любимую жену и спросил: „Что с мальчиком?“ „Не знаю“, отвечала она: „я спрашивала его, но не добилась ответа“. „Иди сейчас же к нему и узнай, что случилось, или я убью тебя!“ приказал Хамхи. Тогда мальчик рассказал женщине следующее: „Лалоевы убили брата моего отца и за его смерть хотят платить лишь 6 коров, как за феппинца“… Хамхи, узнав в чем дело, порадовался: „Настоящий выйдет из него человек. Я не ошибся, взяв его на воспитание“. Он собрал войско и объявил Лалоеву: „Плати за убийство 12 коров или будем биться“. Лалоев долго отказывался, говоря, что ведь убитый — не галгай, за которого следует платить 12 коров, а феппий, за которого издавна платилось только 6 коров. Наконец, под страхом нападения Лалоев должен был заплатить 12 коров, и произошло примирение. С тех-то пор, говорят ингуши, и стали ГАЛГАИ И ФЕППИНЦЫ НАЗЫВАТЬСЯ ОДИНАКОВО „ГАЛГАЯ МИ“, Т.-Е. ИНГУШАМИ". — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk • contribs) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
But it does say that the Fyappiy started calling themselves Ghalghai in 15 century. If you ask how do I know this story happened in 15th century, it's because Lors of Bummat lived in 15th century (source: Amin Tesayev "ИСТОРИЧЕСКИЕ ЛИЧНОСТИ ЧЕЧНИ XI-XXI ВВ." page 111) and three brothers (Egi, Khamkhi, Targim) lived at same time, which means that the Fyappiy started calling themselves Fyappiy starting from 15th century because the story takes part in 15th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Your own Chechen historian Amin Tesayev says that Egi lived in 15th century. So in conclusion the Fyappiy already called themselves Ghalghaj in the 17th centuries since the story I mentioned takes place in the 15th century. Could you prove that the Aukh Fyappiy never indetified themselves as Ghalghaj and indetified as Chechens always? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
These are not facts at all, Galgai (Ingush) never considered Fyappi as inferior people, since according to the charter of the Ingush people, all Societies, all Surnames, and all Teips are equal to each other, more precisely, absolutely all Ingush are equal, if we exclude the false information of some incompetent Russian historians which some Chechen "historians" like to refer to. Records of the German traveler and historian Guldenstedt, studied the Caucasus and especially the Ingush, and witnessed the oath of the Ingush in 1770, he noted all the villages that signed the agreement, and among them were the Fyappins.And to deny the fact that Galgai is the ancestor of many Nakh societies is a very dubious statement. Ingush Orsthoy ( talk) 11:21, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Where are your so-called pseudo-sources stronger than my sources? This is ridiculous, “Nakhchi” was called a society in Ichkeria, it never spread to Ingush societies, Ingush were attributed to Chechens only because of the ease of pronunciation of the word “Chechen”. Ingush Orsthoy ( talk) 18:59, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Vainakh is an ethnonym coined by Yakovlev and Malsagov to unite the Ingush and Chechens. Regarding the “Nakhchi”, how could the Ingush call themselves that if the same Laudaev wrote that the Nazrans (Ingush) laughed at the flat Nakhchi people for calling themselves “cheese”, even the mountain Chechens refused to call themselves “Nakhchi” Ingush Orsthoy ( talk) 20:06, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Reiner Gavriel Fyappin society is and was Ingush. There's many authorative sources about it. Nataev claims that it's Chechen and doesn't mention Ingush at all, he even claims Kostoevs as Chechens (which is ridiculous). Nataev is Chechen historian and is interested party in this matter, he shouldn't be used as authorative source, you should know that yourself. So why did you remove my 3 authorative sources and replace them with your Nataev: [1]? Fyappiy aren't society that are equally belonging to both Ingush and Chechens, the Chechen Fyappins in Aukh are offspring of Fyappin (Ingush) tayp Torshkhoy. No source claims that they are equally belonging to both nations. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 20:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Wich translates to english as: “Since very old times, the Georgians have called the upper parts of the river Kumbalei, on which the Ingush live — Dsurdsukethi (Dzurdzuketi), who are said to have received their name from Dsurdsuk'os. This is followed by the district of Khistethi on the same rivers, to which the Ingush tribe of Wapi also belongs, on the Makal-don of the Terek, and the lower regions to where the Kumbalei emerges from the mountains are called Shuaschi Dshariechi by them (Georgians).”
As you can see this is exactly what it said in the French translation of the book I initially send. And your source one again confirms that the Fyappiy are placed in the vicinity of Dzheyrakh and Armkhi (ossetian: Makaldon). which is located in Ingushetia, and they are specifically called Ingush, not Chechen.
So this means you are knowingly reverting correct edits, and adding incorrect information to this article. You continuesly refuse to seek consensus and did not engage in a constructive discussion on the Administrator's Notice Board on this topic, which administrator Rosguill proposed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muqale ( talk • contribs) 07:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Reiner Gavriel Funny, just yesterday in another article related to the Ingush people you reverted edits stating that the Fyappiy are not Ingush at all see here, now here you are saying they are "Chechen as well as Ingush". This is becoming ridiculous. You are obviously vandalising Ingush related articles for no valid reason other than your own amusement I presume. Fyappi are an Ingush society. The name Vyappiy Vabua or Vabo are foreign pronounciations and if mentioned should only come in secundary order, not primary-- Muqale ( talk) 18:33, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
You have destroyed Krupnov, Volkova and Zhdanov sources. Nataev, Chechen historian, even claimed Kostoevs and didn't say that Fyappins are equally belonging to both nations. Interested parties like Chechen and Ingush in matter of ethnicity aren't authorative, so that's I only mentioned neutral and authorative sources. I don't think that you understand that Fyappin society is big and isn't some small teip, it isn't equally Chechen and Ingush. As I said, the Chechen Fyappins are offspring of Ingush teip Torshkhoy, they claim that their ancestors came from village Tärsh that's located in region Vabo and this was proven by DNA tests. The reason that they identify as Chechens could be because they got assimilated. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 21:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Reiner Gavriel what can't you understand? The Chechen Fyappins are very small minority compared to the other majority Ingush Fyappins that have many surnames and taips. This isn't equally belonging to both, it doesn't make Fyappin society Chechen. When you first made the page, you wrote that Vyappiy are Teip which makes me immediately think that your knowledge on Fyappiy is small. You have no authorative sources backing you up and you destroyed Krupnov, Volkova and Zhdanov sources here and replaced with Chechen source: [5] [6]. The admins should look out into you as you destroy authorative sources and call everything biased that doesn't fit your narrative. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 07:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
@ WikiEditor1234567123, after user Reiner Gavriel multiple reverts claiming his version is the only correct one, I have looked at this user's contributions on many Ingush articles, he appers to be of Chechen origin, which would explan the nationalist edits. I don't see the point, nor do I have the time to in engage in edit wars with Reiner Gavriel. Perhaps an administrator should look into this matter. -- Muqale ( talk) 22:37, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Indeed the administrators should look into this matter. Reiner has been destroying authorative sources and replacing with non-authorative Nataev, who's Chechen. As I have many times told him, interested parties like Chechen and Ingush in the matter of ethnicity shouldn't be used as authorative and neutral source. Nataev doesn't even mention that Fyappiy are Ingush too, he just blindly claims it and Kostoevs too. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 07:20, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Why has the Chechen part of this article been removed? I would like to make a complaint or report against Wikieditor1234567123, this guy has been removing every single mention of the Chechen Vyappi teip. You can see him do it here and then he has twice tried to remove the Vyappi teip from the Chechen teip list first, second Rosguill. This looks like a blatant nationalistic POV pushing he has been engaging in non stop. Wikieditor1234567123 is straight up trying to erase Chechen Vyappi history and then he has the audacity to nominate this article as a "Good article". Landkomtur ( talk) 10:02, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:27, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Vyappiy → Fyappiy – Most if not all Russian and English sources refer to this society as Fyappiy, Feappi, Feppins or Fappins. Very few old sources refer to it with a V but modern day sources all refer to it with a F, not V, it's a big difference. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 17:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I agree that the article should retain the name Fyappiy, which is how the natives pronounce it. The Fyappiy are an Ingush ( Ingushetia) society who speak the Ingush language: see Consonants section < Fricatives (Labial) < ф f [f]. The version Vyappiy comes from some neighboring nations who do not have the consonant 'f' (phoneme) in their language. So it would be more correct to use Fyappiy, since this society is or will be referenced in other articles, so therefore should properly be named Fyappiy.-- Muqale ( talk) 15:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
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I'm starting this review now. I do note substantial controversy on the talk page, but that was 11 months ago so I'm assuming that's all be resolved. I also see that this has had
extensive reworking since it was nominated on July 1st. The article history has been stable for about the past 5-6 weeks, so I think we're good as far as stability (i.e. item 4 of
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Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.That is not the case here. For example, I don't see any mention of how the Dzherakh, Khamkhins, Nazranians, or Gudomakarians bordered on the Fyappins; the later three aren't mentioned at all.
Georgia, Tusheti. Isn't Tusheti a part of Georgia, so it should be written in the other order?
Voeynno-Ossetinskiy Okrug, Ingushskiy Okrug, Vladikavkazsky Okrug, Sunzhensky Otdel and lastly the Nazranovskiy Okrug.most of these are not mentioned in the body.
(I'll probably pick this up in a couple of days)
I've read through this a couple of times yesterday and today. I'm afraid I'm going to have to close this as a failed nomination. There's a number of issues, but the biggest one is that English grammar and diction isn't up to the standard required by point 1a ("Well-written") of WP:GACR. I take it from the userboxes on your user page that English is not your first language. Unfortunately, there's too many places in the text where there's words missing, or an odd choice of word, or awkward sentence construction for me to be able to say this meets the "well-written" criteria. My recommendation is to list this at WP:GOCE to get some help improving the writing, then come back and renominate it for another review.
I'm not going to do a detailed review of the rest of this, but here's a couple of things that stand out:
The result of the move request was: moved. No opposition or comments since inception and no comment since it was relisted. Closing. Best, ( closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 12:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Fyappiy → Feappii – WP:COMMONNAME: the only anglicized form of the ethnonym Fyappiy is found in the works of Johanna Nichols (Ghalghaai-ingalsii, Ingalsii-ghalghaai Lughat, 2004; The Origin of the Chechen and Ingush, 2004; Ingush Grammar, 2011, etc.), and that is Feappii. WikiEditor 123… 20:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 ( talk) 17:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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Reiner Gavriel let's talk here. Can you prove that national identity of Ingushes didn't exist in 17th century? Also I could also say that the national identity of Chechens didn't exist during that time.
The "Nokhchi" term is very young itself and first mention was in 18th century. The Torshkhoy who founded the Tärsh village are Ingush and never called themselves Chechen or anything else. In 17th century Ingush term was used for all Ingushes including fyappiy, don't lie please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk • contribs) 08:56, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Good that you mentioned Ingush folklore, during 17th century the Ghalghai term was already used for Fyappiy, from book "Ингуши" written by Яковлев: "Галгай Хамхи был дружен с одним богатым феппинцем (из племени феппий, живущего ближе к Дарьяльскому ущелью), который посватался за сестру Хамхи, калеку от рожденья. Два года тянулись переговоры, так как галгай не хотели родниться с низшим, подвластным им племенем феппинцев. Наконец, старший в роде галгаев, Эги, согласился на брак, назначив большой „калым“. Калека-жена родила от феппинца двух мальчиков. Они понравились своему дяде Хамхи и тот взял их себе на воспитание. Одного он сделал пастухом, а другого оставил в своем доме. Однажды Хамхи заметил, что его воспитанник-мальчик сидит печален. Хамхи призвал свою любимую жену и спросил: „Что с мальчиком?“ „Не знаю“, отвечала она: „я спрашивала его, но не добилась ответа“. „Иди сейчас же к нему и узнай, что случилось, или я убью тебя!“ приказал Хамхи. Тогда мальчик рассказал женщине следующее: „Лалоевы убили брата моего отца и за его смерть хотят платить лишь 6 коров, как за феппинца“… Хамхи, узнав в чем дело, порадовался: „Настоящий выйдет из него человек. Я не ошибся, взяв его на воспитание“. Он собрал войско и объявил Лалоеву: „Плати за убийство 12 коров или будем биться“. Лалоев долго отказывался, говоря, что ведь убитый — не галгай, за которого следует платить 12 коров, а феппий, за которого издавна платилось только 6 коров. Наконец, под страхом нападения Лалоев должен был заплатить 12 коров, и произошло примирение. С тех-то пор, говорят ингуши, и стали ГАЛГАИ И ФЕППИНЦЫ НАЗЫВАТЬСЯ ОДИНАКОВО „ГАЛГАЯ МИ“, Т.-Е. ИНГУШАМИ". — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk • contribs) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
But it does say that the Fyappiy started calling themselves Ghalghai in 15 century. If you ask how do I know this story happened in 15th century, it's because Lors of Bummat lived in 15th century (source: Amin Tesayev "ИСТОРИЧЕСКИЕ ЛИЧНОСТИ ЧЕЧНИ XI-XXI ВВ." page 111) and three brothers (Egi, Khamkhi, Targim) lived at same time, which means that the Fyappiy started calling themselves Fyappiy starting from 15th century because the story takes part in 15th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Your own Chechen historian Amin Tesayev says that Egi lived in 15th century. So in conclusion the Fyappiy already called themselves Ghalghaj in the 17th centuries since the story I mentioned takes place in the 15th century. Could you prove that the Aukh Fyappiy never indetified themselves as Ghalghaj and indetified as Chechens always? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
These are not facts at all, Galgai (Ingush) never considered Fyappi as inferior people, since according to the charter of the Ingush people, all Societies, all Surnames, and all Teips are equal to each other, more precisely, absolutely all Ingush are equal, if we exclude the false information of some incompetent Russian historians which some Chechen "historians" like to refer to. Records of the German traveler and historian Guldenstedt, studied the Caucasus and especially the Ingush, and witnessed the oath of the Ingush in 1770, he noted all the villages that signed the agreement, and among them were the Fyappins.And to deny the fact that Galgai is the ancestor of many Nakh societies is a very dubious statement. Ingush Orsthoy ( talk) 11:21, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Where are your so-called pseudo-sources stronger than my sources? This is ridiculous, “Nakhchi” was called a society in Ichkeria, it never spread to Ingush societies, Ingush were attributed to Chechens only because of the ease of pronunciation of the word “Chechen”. Ingush Orsthoy ( talk) 18:59, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Vainakh is an ethnonym coined by Yakovlev and Malsagov to unite the Ingush and Chechens. Regarding the “Nakhchi”, how could the Ingush call themselves that if the same Laudaev wrote that the Nazrans (Ingush) laughed at the flat Nakhchi people for calling themselves “cheese”, even the mountain Chechens refused to call themselves “Nakhchi” Ingush Orsthoy ( talk) 20:06, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Reiner Gavriel Fyappin society is and was Ingush. There's many authorative sources about it. Nataev claims that it's Chechen and doesn't mention Ingush at all, he even claims Kostoevs as Chechens (which is ridiculous). Nataev is Chechen historian and is interested party in this matter, he shouldn't be used as authorative source, you should know that yourself. So why did you remove my 3 authorative sources and replace them with your Nataev: [1]? Fyappiy aren't society that are equally belonging to both Ingush and Chechens, the Chechen Fyappins in Aukh are offspring of Fyappin (Ingush) tayp Torshkhoy. No source claims that they are equally belonging to both nations. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 20:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Wich translates to english as: “Since very old times, the Georgians have called the upper parts of the river Kumbalei, on which the Ingush live — Dsurdsukethi (Dzurdzuketi), who are said to have received their name from Dsurdsuk'os. This is followed by the district of Khistethi on the same rivers, to which the Ingush tribe of Wapi also belongs, on the Makal-don of the Terek, and the lower regions to where the Kumbalei emerges from the mountains are called Shuaschi Dshariechi by them (Georgians).”
As you can see this is exactly what it said in the French translation of the book I initially send. And your source one again confirms that the Fyappiy are placed in the vicinity of Dzheyrakh and Armkhi (ossetian: Makaldon). which is located in Ingushetia, and they are specifically called Ingush, not Chechen.
So this means you are knowingly reverting correct edits, and adding incorrect information to this article. You continuesly refuse to seek consensus and did not engage in a constructive discussion on the Administrator's Notice Board on this topic, which administrator Rosguill proposed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muqale ( talk • contribs) 07:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Reiner Gavriel Funny, just yesterday in another article related to the Ingush people you reverted edits stating that the Fyappiy are not Ingush at all see here, now here you are saying they are "Chechen as well as Ingush". This is becoming ridiculous. You are obviously vandalising Ingush related articles for no valid reason other than your own amusement I presume. Fyappi are an Ingush society. The name Vyappiy Vabua or Vabo are foreign pronounciations and if mentioned should only come in secundary order, not primary-- Muqale ( talk) 18:33, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
You have destroyed Krupnov, Volkova and Zhdanov sources. Nataev, Chechen historian, even claimed Kostoevs and didn't say that Fyappins are equally belonging to both nations. Interested parties like Chechen and Ingush in matter of ethnicity aren't authorative, so that's I only mentioned neutral and authorative sources. I don't think that you understand that Fyappin society is big and isn't some small teip, it isn't equally Chechen and Ingush. As I said, the Chechen Fyappins are offspring of Ingush teip Torshkhoy, they claim that their ancestors came from village Tärsh that's located in region Vabo and this was proven by DNA tests. The reason that they identify as Chechens could be because they got assimilated. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 21:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Reiner Gavriel what can't you understand? The Chechen Fyappins are very small minority compared to the other majority Ingush Fyappins that have many surnames and taips. This isn't equally belonging to both, it doesn't make Fyappin society Chechen. When you first made the page, you wrote that Vyappiy are Teip which makes me immediately think that your knowledge on Fyappiy is small. You have no authorative sources backing you up and you destroyed Krupnov, Volkova and Zhdanov sources here and replaced with Chechen source: [5] [6]. The admins should look out into you as you destroy authorative sources and call everything biased that doesn't fit your narrative. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 07:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
@ WikiEditor1234567123, after user Reiner Gavriel multiple reverts claiming his version is the only correct one, I have looked at this user's contributions on many Ingush articles, he appers to be of Chechen origin, which would explan the nationalist edits. I don't see the point, nor do I have the time to in engage in edit wars with Reiner Gavriel. Perhaps an administrator should look into this matter. -- Muqale ( talk) 22:37, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Indeed the administrators should look into this matter. Reiner has been destroying authorative sources and replacing with non-authorative Nataev, who's Chechen. As I have many times told him, interested parties like Chechen and Ingush in the matter of ethnicity shouldn't be used as authorative and neutral source. Nataev doesn't even mention that Fyappiy are Ingush too, he just blindly claims it and Kostoevs too. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 07:20, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Why has the Chechen part of this article been removed? I would like to make a complaint or report against Wikieditor1234567123, this guy has been removing every single mention of the Chechen Vyappi teip. You can see him do it here and then he has twice tried to remove the Vyappi teip from the Chechen teip list first, second Rosguill. This looks like a blatant nationalistic POV pushing he has been engaging in non stop. Wikieditor1234567123 is straight up trying to erase Chechen Vyappi history and then he has the audacity to nominate this article as a "Good article". Landkomtur ( talk) 10:02, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:27, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Vyappiy → Fyappiy – Most if not all Russian and English sources refer to this society as Fyappiy, Feappi, Feppins or Fappins. Very few old sources refer to it with a V but modern day sources all refer to it with a F, not V, it's a big difference. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 17:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I agree that the article should retain the name Fyappiy, which is how the natives pronounce it. The Fyappiy are an Ingush ( Ingushetia) society who speak the Ingush language: see Consonants section < Fricatives (Labial) < ф f [f]. The version Vyappiy comes from some neighboring nations who do not have the consonant 'f' (phoneme) in their language. So it would be more correct to use Fyappiy, since this society is or will be referenced in other articles, so therefore should properly be named Fyappiy.-- Muqale ( talk) 15:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
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I'm starting this review now. I do note substantial controversy on the talk page, but that was 11 months ago so I'm assuming that's all be resolved. I also see that this has had
extensive reworking since it was nominated on July 1st. The article history has been stable for about the past 5-6 weeks, so I think we're good as far as stability (i.e. item 4 of
WP:QF) goes.
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17:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.That is not the case here. For example, I don't see any mention of how the Dzherakh, Khamkhins, Nazranians, or Gudomakarians bordered on the Fyappins; the later three aren't mentioned at all.
Georgia, Tusheti. Isn't Tusheti a part of Georgia, so it should be written in the other order?
Voeynno-Ossetinskiy Okrug, Ingushskiy Okrug, Vladikavkazsky Okrug, Sunzhensky Otdel and lastly the Nazranovskiy Okrug.most of these are not mentioned in the body.
(I'll probably pick this up in a couple of days)
I've read through this a couple of times yesterday and today. I'm afraid I'm going to have to close this as a failed nomination. There's a number of issues, but the biggest one is that English grammar and diction isn't up to the standard required by point 1a ("Well-written") of WP:GACR. I take it from the userboxes on your user page that English is not your first language. Unfortunately, there's too many places in the text where there's words missing, or an odd choice of word, or awkward sentence construction for me to be able to say this meets the "well-written" criteria. My recommendation is to list this at WP:GOCE to get some help improving the writing, then come back and renominate it for another review.
I'm not going to do a detailed review of the rest of this, but here's a couple of things that stand out:
The result of the move request was: moved. No opposition or comments since inception and no comment since it was relisted. Closing. Best, ( closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 12:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Fyappiy → Feappii – WP:COMMONNAME: the only anglicized form of the ethnonym Fyappiy is found in the works of Johanna Nichols (Ghalghaai-ingalsii, Ingalsii-ghalghaai Lughat, 2004; The Origin of the Chechen and Ingush, 2004; Ingush Grammar, 2011, etc.), and that is Feappii. WikiEditor 123… 20:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 ( talk) 17:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)