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The FRA is direct successor to the EUMC, as the MC was the successor to the previous commissions. This is a simple expansion of mandate with the same structure, director, location etc. Essentially the same org under a different name, even inherited the same website. There isn't much detail beyond the two reports. They are doing the same work, hence it would be helpful for the information to be found in the same place. Would save re-categorising EUMC page as a defunct agency. - JLogan 10:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Agree - it's the same organisation, simply changed its name. Its website says it: "From 1 March the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC) became the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA)." Confusing to have two separate entries. No-itsme 21:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Should be some mention in this article about how the release of the EUMC antisemitism report was controversially held up, apparently over objections to mentioning leftists and Islamists as sources of antisemitism... AnonMoos 17:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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The map pointer doesn't display properly for me, although every other one I've seen does. For me it's closer to Munich than Vienna. - Oreo Priest 14:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Link (to FRA/EU) in footnote #5 is dead. Mondeo ( talk) 19:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
There are a number of dead links to the FRA website, as well as outdated information, particularly in the Publications section. Will fix/update this (NB: I work for the FRA - please see my profile page). Mooseboy ( talk) 16:08, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Especially for the views in the (now) last section. E.g., Jakob Cornides seems to be this guy. Some of the other criticism appears to be WP:OR or come from sourced below the radar of WP:RS/ WP:UNDUE (but I could be wrong.) More WP:INTEXT is needed. Tijfo098 ( talk) 17:50, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
This section gives WP:UNDUE to that part of the EUMC draft Working Definition: that refers to anti semitism that could be directed to the State of Israel. This section " Aside from the usual definitions of hatred toward Jews and physical manifestations thereof," is much much shorter than the section that relates to the State of Israel. The EUMC document actually contains two sections that allot equal importance to antisemitism against Jews, and antisemitism against the State of Israel. This problem previously occured with the similar section in antisemitism. I propose to adopt the same solution that was adopted in that article. The section on the State of Israel will be cut down to a precis, that more closely matches the prominence given to that of anti semitism against Jews. Other posters have previously pointed out in antisemitism that large chunks of text should not be taken directly from a source, and that should apply here as well. Dalai lama ding dong ( talk) 20:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I've removed this trivia added by DLDD to the article:
On 13 October 2005 European Jews for a Just Peace, a federation of Jewish groups in ten European countries, wrote to the EUMC expressing its concerns over the 'working definition of antisemitism’. They claimed that NGOs and prominent academics who should have been consulted were not consulted, and raised several concerns with the 'working definition.' Beate Winkler's reply for the EUMC stated that the draft guidelines and working definition were ‘work in progress’, and would be reviewed in the light of feedback received, and that EJJP were welcome to comment on them. [1]
This is an overview of the entire Fundamental Rights Agency. In an article that already devotes too much space to the FRA's definition of antisemitism, why would we want to devote even more space to a couple of letters that were allegedly sent regarding it in 2005? Do a bunch of reliable secondary sources make reference to this exchange of two letters? Jayjg (talk) 05:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, you still haven't answered the question. This is an overview of the entire Fundamental Rights Agency, and the section on the Working Definition of Antisemitism is already longer than any other section in the article. You are now proposing to add even more material to that section, a brief correspondence between two individuals in 2005. Which reliable secondary sources discuss this two letter exchange between these two individuals, and therefore establish its significance and meaning? Wikipedia is not interested in your personal view that it is important, but rather requires that significant and importance be established by reliable secondary sources. Please name those sources. Jayjg (talk) 22:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
The section in question is about the FRA's definition of antisemitism, and states:
Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the State of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:
- Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
- Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
However, the document stated that criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.
The material is obviously related to the I-P conflict; indeed, that has been the sole reason you have spent months trying to downplay and debunk the FRA definition. The ban extends to Talk: pages and discussions of related articles. While the topic ban is in place, please don't post here or anywhere else about the FRA definition of antisemitism again, or you will be brought to WP:AE. Jayjg (talk) 21:38, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:44, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
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Firstly, I am an intern with the Fundamental Rights Agency, please see my user page.
I am proposing the below changes to shorten the section on the Working Definition of Antisemitism, as the current length of the section gives WP:UNDUE weight to one area of FRA's work and history. As mentioned above in a lengthy exchange, the page should be an "overview of the entire Fundamental Rights Agency" and currently "devotes too much space to the FRA's [sic] definition of antisemitism". Indeed, the work of FRA covers 9 thematic areas, as seen in the mandate section. In addition, the Working Definition was not even developed by FRA, but by its predecessor organisation, the EUMC.
Secondly, the extent and detail of the section moves away from the 'overview of the FRA' in general, and more towards the discussion of the definition of antisemitism, for which there already a section in the Antisemitism page, where such detail would be more appropriate. For the same reason, the FRA page should not be categorised as “part of a series on antisemitism” since antisemitism is just one of a much broader range of activities carried out by the Agency.
I would propose the following:
In 2005, the EUMC, together with the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) and Jewish organisations, developed a guide to data collection on anti-Semitic incidents, including “a proposal for a non-legal working definition of antisemitism [1] to be used at national level by primary data-collecting agencies” and considered as a “work in progress.” [2]
The working definition received varied responses, David Hirsh described the definition as "part of the terrain on which political struggles are conducted by, amongst others, academics" [3] while Brian Klug argued that it could be used to conflate criticism of Israel with antisemitism, and does not sufficiently distinguish between criticism of Israeli actions and criticism of Zionism as a political ideology, on the one hand, and racially based violence towards, discrimination against, or abuse of, Jews. [4] In 2013, the definition was removed from the FRA website. A spokesperson said that it had never been regarded as official and that the agency did not intend to develop its own definition. [5]
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It appears to me that the content of the "Reception" section has been selected to only include criticisms of and attacks upon the agency and its work. -- Orange Mike | Talk 22:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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The FRA is direct successor to the EUMC, as the MC was the successor to the previous commissions. This is a simple expansion of mandate with the same structure, director, location etc. Essentially the same org under a different name, even inherited the same website. There isn't much detail beyond the two reports. They are doing the same work, hence it would be helpful for the information to be found in the same place. Would save re-categorising EUMC page as a defunct agency. - JLogan 10:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Agree - it's the same organisation, simply changed its name. Its website says it: "From 1 March the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC) became the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA)." Confusing to have two separate entries. No-itsme 21:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Should be some mention in this article about how the release of the EUMC antisemitism report was controversially held up, apparently over objections to mentioning leftists and Islamists as sources of antisemitism... AnonMoos 17:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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The map pointer doesn't display properly for me, although every other one I've seen does. For me it's closer to Munich than Vienna. - Oreo Priest 14:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Link (to FRA/EU) in footnote #5 is dead. Mondeo ( talk) 19:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
There are a number of dead links to the FRA website, as well as outdated information, particularly in the Publications section. Will fix/update this (NB: I work for the FRA - please see my profile page). Mooseboy ( talk) 16:08, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Especially for the views in the (now) last section. E.g., Jakob Cornides seems to be this guy. Some of the other criticism appears to be WP:OR or come from sourced below the radar of WP:RS/ WP:UNDUE (but I could be wrong.) More WP:INTEXT is needed. Tijfo098 ( talk) 17:50, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
This section gives WP:UNDUE to that part of the EUMC draft Working Definition: that refers to anti semitism that could be directed to the State of Israel. This section " Aside from the usual definitions of hatred toward Jews and physical manifestations thereof," is much much shorter than the section that relates to the State of Israel. The EUMC document actually contains two sections that allot equal importance to antisemitism against Jews, and antisemitism against the State of Israel. This problem previously occured with the similar section in antisemitism. I propose to adopt the same solution that was adopted in that article. The section on the State of Israel will be cut down to a precis, that more closely matches the prominence given to that of anti semitism against Jews. Other posters have previously pointed out in antisemitism that large chunks of text should not be taken directly from a source, and that should apply here as well. Dalai lama ding dong ( talk) 20:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I've removed this trivia added by DLDD to the article:
On 13 October 2005 European Jews for a Just Peace, a federation of Jewish groups in ten European countries, wrote to the EUMC expressing its concerns over the 'working definition of antisemitism’. They claimed that NGOs and prominent academics who should have been consulted were not consulted, and raised several concerns with the 'working definition.' Beate Winkler's reply for the EUMC stated that the draft guidelines and working definition were ‘work in progress’, and would be reviewed in the light of feedback received, and that EJJP were welcome to comment on them. [1]
This is an overview of the entire Fundamental Rights Agency. In an article that already devotes too much space to the FRA's definition of antisemitism, why would we want to devote even more space to a couple of letters that were allegedly sent regarding it in 2005? Do a bunch of reliable secondary sources make reference to this exchange of two letters? Jayjg (talk) 05:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, you still haven't answered the question. This is an overview of the entire Fundamental Rights Agency, and the section on the Working Definition of Antisemitism is already longer than any other section in the article. You are now proposing to add even more material to that section, a brief correspondence between two individuals in 2005. Which reliable secondary sources discuss this two letter exchange between these two individuals, and therefore establish its significance and meaning? Wikipedia is not interested in your personal view that it is important, but rather requires that significant and importance be established by reliable secondary sources. Please name those sources. Jayjg (talk) 22:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
The section in question is about the FRA's definition of antisemitism, and states:
Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the State of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:
- Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
- Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
However, the document stated that criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.
The material is obviously related to the I-P conflict; indeed, that has been the sole reason you have spent months trying to downplay and debunk the FRA definition. The ban extends to Talk: pages and discussions of related articles. While the topic ban is in place, please don't post here or anywhere else about the FRA definition of antisemitism again, or you will be brought to WP:AE. Jayjg (talk) 21:38, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
References
An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:44, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. |
Firstly, I am an intern with the Fundamental Rights Agency, please see my user page.
I am proposing the below changes to shorten the section on the Working Definition of Antisemitism, as the current length of the section gives WP:UNDUE weight to one area of FRA's work and history. As mentioned above in a lengthy exchange, the page should be an "overview of the entire Fundamental Rights Agency" and currently "devotes too much space to the FRA's [sic] definition of antisemitism". Indeed, the work of FRA covers 9 thematic areas, as seen in the mandate section. In addition, the Working Definition was not even developed by FRA, but by its predecessor organisation, the EUMC.
Secondly, the extent and detail of the section moves away from the 'overview of the FRA' in general, and more towards the discussion of the definition of antisemitism, for which there already a section in the Antisemitism page, where such detail would be more appropriate. For the same reason, the FRA page should not be categorised as “part of a series on antisemitism” since antisemitism is just one of a much broader range of activities carried out by the Agency.
I would propose the following:
In 2005, the EUMC, together with the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) and Jewish organisations, developed a guide to data collection on anti-Semitic incidents, including “a proposal for a non-legal working definition of antisemitism [1] to be used at national level by primary data-collecting agencies” and considered as a “work in progress.” [2]
The working definition received varied responses, David Hirsh described the definition as "part of the terrain on which political struggles are conducted by, amongst others, academics" [3] while Brian Klug argued that it could be used to conflate criticism of Israel with antisemitism, and does not sufficiently distinguish between criticism of Israeli actions and criticism of Zionism as a political ideology, on the one hand, and racially based violence towards, discrimination against, or abuse of, Jews. [4] In 2013, the definition was removed from the FRA website. A spokesperson said that it had never been regarded as official and that the agency did not intend to develop its own definition. [5]
Mw16891 ( talk) 07:46, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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It appears to me that the content of the "Reception" section has been selected to only include criticisms of and attacks upon the agency and its work. -- Orange Mike | Talk 22:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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