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I suggest forking or splitting to the modern "skillet meal" which is referred to late in this article. Far from a "TV dinner", I think they should have their own "see also" article. Also, the last section in very UK-centric. Is their a template I can use to whine about that? Huw Powell ( talk) 03:30, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Birdseye marketed the frozen dinner for one in the UK from 1960s. It was in a covered aluminium tray which you lifted one corner to allow the Yorkshire pudding to rise. In the UK they were never referred to as TV dinner's though. ( 86.129.36.187 ( talk) 19:14, 27 February 2011 (UTC))
I see there in the history section, this line "the pewter tray with aluminum foil covering could be heated directly in the oven..."
Is this true? Were "TV dinners" ever packaged in pewter trays? Isn't pewter kind of heavy and stiff? I realize that pewter is not particularly expensive, but is it too expensive to be used as a disposable container? I imagine if pewter TV dinner trays were built like pewter beer mugs then people might have saved them for other use. Unless you can make a pewter foil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8A00:2890:3D0E:DC30:530D:E06E ( talk) 02:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
The History section of this article has had a tag added to it that claims it may have original research. Unfortunately, since the section already has several sources cited (at least five), it is exceedingly difficult to ascertain which claims the tagger considers to be original research. There is one statement "Swanson far exceeded its expectations, and ended up selling more than 10 million of these dinners in the first year of production." that (appropriately) has a "citation needed" tag on it, but that's not original research-looking, it's lack of sourcing.
Frankly, when I see editors whose tagging of articles constitute in the neighborhood of 50% of their total edits, I wonder if they're helping us or not. At the very least, when someone comes along and leaves a nebulous tag like that on an article, I think they should be required to explain what their concern is. Of course, some tags do not need an explanation. For example, if a tag says that an article has "no sources, and indeed, it has none, then I can understand what's the problem. But tagging like this, without leaving an explanation, is just rude and ignorant. HuskyHuskie ( talk) 04:35, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
TV dinners are generic and international. Therefore in referring to dessert options purely American desserts - "brownies" and "apple cobblers" should be avoided. Royalcourtier ( talk) 01:02, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Article says 1962; here is a Swanson ad from May 1968 which uses it. Relgif ( talk) 20:48, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Specifically the origin of the name. The claim that it's because of the shape may have a cite but it's obviously false: The original TV Dinner had three triangular sections, it did not have a "sidebar" arrangement like a television. This is even shown in the images used in the article. I can't access the cite to see if it's being misread or misrepresented, but there's a contradictory statement from Gerald Thomas here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzlkO8LIWrs
I don't know if it's a good enough source but the fact the remains that the article as it stands states something which is clearly false.
It is mentioned that the first non-foil ("microwave-safe") tray was introduced in 1986. When was the last foil tray sold? How long did it take for the entire industry to switch from trays designed for "regular ovens" to those designed for microwaves? 24.14.200.215 ( talk) 16:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
While following a couple of the article's external links, I noticed that Pinnacle Foods has dropped the Swanson name from its Hungry Man line of frozen dinners, per the expiration of the 10-year brand-licensing agreement with Campbell Soup (Swanson's parent company). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swanson#Other_frozen_dinners
Details on this might be added to the History section of this article, and the appropriate Swanson links updated. — DennisDallas ( talk) 00:08, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 03:05, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
TV dinner → Ready-made meal – This article doesn't specifically detail the dinner by Swanson, but rather discusses all ready-made meals, so I think we should move to the page to "Ready-made meal". KVDP ( talk) 09:08, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
It is stated as a fact that the name TV dinner came "from the shape of the tray it was served on". I always thought that it was so-called because it was often eaten in front of the TV. Can either origin be ruled out? Royalcourtier ( talk) 01:05, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move the page back to TV dinner, for the time being, per the discussion below; if another move is still desired, please feel free to initiate a new move request. Dekimasu よ! 07:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Prepackaged meal → TV dinner – This was an undiscussed move ("TV dinner" move to "prepackaged meal"); so should be reverted as a speedy revert. An older discussion occurs on the talk page, where no other term was found to be acceptable for various reasons. And the topic of the article is not prepackaged meals, it does not cover such things as canned meals or MRE-style meals, or ration bar meals, so it is not about "prepackaged meals" it is about TV dinner style prepackaged meals; nor should it be expanded to cover all types of prepackaged meals, since TV dinners are notable in themselves. – 67.70.35.44 ( talk) 08:01, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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An ad introducing the turkey dinner in the Boston Globe, March 26, 1954, includes the line "Skip cooking entirely the night of your favorite TV shows." It goes on to also suggest serving them to your bridge club and eating one when you're home alone, so the main thrust is it's a labor-saving convenience. Still, the connection is there between watching TV and not having to cook while your shows are on. Does it make sense to cook the dinner while watching TV, then stop watching to eat it? Sounds to me like the point is you cook and then you eat, all while you're watching TV, hence the name. 108.20.114.62 ( talk) 01:09, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Overall, most editors oppose the previous name of "TV dinner", and the option that has the most support is Frozen meal, on the grounds that it covers other meals besides dinners. After relisting for a week, no more comments appeared so this close is final (barring appeals to WP:MR). ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 21:28, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Frozen meal → ? – Current name appears to be a non-generic trademark which was only used in a particular region. Previous move requests seem to have gotten hung up on the "common" part of WP:COMMONNAME while ignoring the "recognisable" part. The current title is not particularly descriptive and could easily refer to numerous subjects (is it a dinner you order through a teleshopping programme? Is it a meal whose recipe was provided by a celebrity chef in a TV appearance? etc.) and a more WP:PRECISE title, possibly a WP:NDESC, which allows for international WP:COMMONALITY in understanding should probably be found. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 17:39, 24 March 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. Vaticidal prophet 21:13, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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We are now in a ridiculous position where we have an article called Frozen meal which spends a lot of its time describing products that are not frozen meals. The dreaded "all the world's America" syndrome seems to have struck yet again, as often happens with WP food articles. Ef80 ( talk) 13:31, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
The images currently adorning this article seem to be of lower quality than what we should aim for.
If it were up to me, I would suggest maybe keeping the "Country fried chicken" image, removing the other two images, and perhaps including other images, like:
I'd be happy to hear what others think before I go chopping away at the article. - Swiss Mister in NY ( talk) 23:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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I suggest forking or splitting to the modern "skillet meal" which is referred to late in this article. Far from a "TV dinner", I think they should have their own "see also" article. Also, the last section in very UK-centric. Is their a template I can use to whine about that? Huw Powell ( talk) 03:30, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Birdseye marketed the frozen dinner for one in the UK from 1960s. It was in a covered aluminium tray which you lifted one corner to allow the Yorkshire pudding to rise. In the UK they were never referred to as TV dinner's though. ( 86.129.36.187 ( talk) 19:14, 27 February 2011 (UTC))
I see there in the history section, this line "the pewter tray with aluminum foil covering could be heated directly in the oven..."
Is this true? Were "TV dinners" ever packaged in pewter trays? Isn't pewter kind of heavy and stiff? I realize that pewter is not particularly expensive, but is it too expensive to be used as a disposable container? I imagine if pewter TV dinner trays were built like pewter beer mugs then people might have saved them for other use. Unless you can make a pewter foil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8A00:2890:3D0E:DC30:530D:E06E ( talk) 02:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
The History section of this article has had a tag added to it that claims it may have original research. Unfortunately, since the section already has several sources cited (at least five), it is exceedingly difficult to ascertain which claims the tagger considers to be original research. There is one statement "Swanson far exceeded its expectations, and ended up selling more than 10 million of these dinners in the first year of production." that (appropriately) has a "citation needed" tag on it, but that's not original research-looking, it's lack of sourcing.
Frankly, when I see editors whose tagging of articles constitute in the neighborhood of 50% of their total edits, I wonder if they're helping us or not. At the very least, when someone comes along and leaves a nebulous tag like that on an article, I think they should be required to explain what their concern is. Of course, some tags do not need an explanation. For example, if a tag says that an article has "no sources, and indeed, it has none, then I can understand what's the problem. But tagging like this, without leaving an explanation, is just rude and ignorant. HuskyHuskie ( talk) 04:35, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
TV dinners are generic and international. Therefore in referring to dessert options purely American desserts - "brownies" and "apple cobblers" should be avoided. Royalcourtier ( talk) 01:02, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Article says 1962; here is a Swanson ad from May 1968 which uses it. Relgif ( talk) 20:48, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Specifically the origin of the name. The claim that it's because of the shape may have a cite but it's obviously false: The original TV Dinner had three triangular sections, it did not have a "sidebar" arrangement like a television. This is even shown in the images used in the article. I can't access the cite to see if it's being misread or misrepresented, but there's a contradictory statement from Gerald Thomas here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzlkO8LIWrs
I don't know if it's a good enough source but the fact the remains that the article as it stands states something which is clearly false.
It is mentioned that the first non-foil ("microwave-safe") tray was introduced in 1986. When was the last foil tray sold? How long did it take for the entire industry to switch from trays designed for "regular ovens" to those designed for microwaves? 24.14.200.215 ( talk) 16:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
While following a couple of the article's external links, I noticed that Pinnacle Foods has dropped the Swanson name from its Hungry Man line of frozen dinners, per the expiration of the 10-year brand-licensing agreement with Campbell Soup (Swanson's parent company). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swanson#Other_frozen_dinners
Details on this might be added to the History section of this article, and the appropriate Swanson links updated. — DennisDallas ( talk) 00:08, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 03:05, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
TV dinner → Ready-made meal – This article doesn't specifically detail the dinner by Swanson, but rather discusses all ready-made meals, so I think we should move to the page to "Ready-made meal". KVDP ( talk) 09:08, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
It is stated as a fact that the name TV dinner came "from the shape of the tray it was served on". I always thought that it was so-called because it was often eaten in front of the TV. Can either origin be ruled out? Royalcourtier ( talk) 01:05, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move the page back to TV dinner, for the time being, per the discussion below; if another move is still desired, please feel free to initiate a new move request. Dekimasu よ! 07:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Prepackaged meal → TV dinner – This was an undiscussed move ("TV dinner" move to "prepackaged meal"); so should be reverted as a speedy revert. An older discussion occurs on the talk page, where no other term was found to be acceptable for various reasons. And the topic of the article is not prepackaged meals, it does not cover such things as canned meals or MRE-style meals, or ration bar meals, so it is not about "prepackaged meals" it is about TV dinner style prepackaged meals; nor should it be expanded to cover all types of prepackaged meals, since TV dinners are notable in themselves. – 67.70.35.44 ( talk) 08:01, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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An ad introducing the turkey dinner in the Boston Globe, March 26, 1954, includes the line "Skip cooking entirely the night of your favorite TV shows." It goes on to also suggest serving them to your bridge club and eating one when you're home alone, so the main thrust is it's a labor-saving convenience. Still, the connection is there between watching TV and not having to cook while your shows are on. Does it make sense to cook the dinner while watching TV, then stop watching to eat it? Sounds to me like the point is you cook and then you eat, all while you're watching TV, hence the name. 108.20.114.62 ( talk) 01:09, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Overall, most editors oppose the previous name of "TV dinner", and the option that has the most support is Frozen meal, on the grounds that it covers other meals besides dinners. After relisting for a week, no more comments appeared so this close is final (barring appeals to WP:MR). ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 21:28, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Frozen meal → ? – Current name appears to be a non-generic trademark which was only used in a particular region. Previous move requests seem to have gotten hung up on the "common" part of WP:COMMONNAME while ignoring the "recognisable" part. The current title is not particularly descriptive and could easily refer to numerous subjects (is it a dinner you order through a teleshopping programme? Is it a meal whose recipe was provided by a celebrity chef in a TV appearance? etc.) and a more WP:PRECISE title, possibly a WP:NDESC, which allows for international WP:COMMONALITY in understanding should probably be found. HumanBodyPiloter5 ( talk) 17:39, 24 March 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. Vaticidal prophet 21:13, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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We are now in a ridiculous position where we have an article called Frozen meal which spends a lot of its time describing products that are not frozen meals. The dreaded "all the world's America" syndrome seems to have struck yet again, as often happens with WP food articles. Ef80 ( talk) 13:31, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
The images currently adorning this article seem to be of lower quality than what we should aim for.
If it were up to me, I would suggest maybe keeping the "Country fried chicken" image, removing the other two images, and perhaps including other images, like:
I'd be happy to hear what others think before I go chopping away at the article. - Swiss Mister in NY ( talk) 23:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)