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@ Premeditated Chaos and Nightscream: I hope that we can discuss some of the recent changes to the Halloween ComicFest paragraph of the article. At some point – if the event itself stabilizes around COVID – I'd like to take it to GAN and any appearance of edit warring in the article history might disqualify it from consideration.
One of the changes was promoting titles with a "spooky" theme
→ promoting titles with a Halloween theme
. The edit summary cited
WP:TONE. I understand the point, and I wouldn't mind a more formal word being used there if we can agree upon one. I object to using "Halloween theme" because neither of the two sources used for the paragraph state this, and Halloween is not a synonym for spooky (the term used by the source). To me, "a Halloween theme" suggests trick-or-treating, costume parties, jack-o'-lanterns, etc. The sources don't mention these elements in the comics. To me, spooky suggests 'frightening' but with a light-hearted tone (noting that the titles are family-friendly and not hard horror). Is there another way to convey this? "Eerie" comes close, but I'm not sure it's that much better than "spooky".
WP:TONE states Standards for formal tone vary a bit depending upon the subject matter but should usually match the style used in Featured- and Good-class articles in the same category.
I checked a few event FAs for informal language:
The Chaser APEC pranks uses "gag" (informal),
Disco Demolition Night uses "shock jock" (slang),
Truthiness uses a number of neologisms and portmanteaus. So maybe one instance of "spooky" isn't too bad? If we can't agree to an alternative, I suggest changing it back to "spooky" which satisfies
verification policy (while WP:TONE is neither a policy nor a guideline).
Some other changes to the paragraph were explained in an edit summary as "trim fluff, reword". I felt it was important to state it plainly that the comics were free as, unlike the other events, Halloween ComicsFest does not have "free" (or gratis) in its name. The party/costume contest was an attempt to briefly show that it was developing into an event like the article subject. I felt that that content was important enough to include, though I don't mind attempts to rephrase it.
Please let me know your thoughts when you have time; no rush on this. – Reidgreg ( talk) 23:28, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
I was hoping that either of you might find a source to support your edits.It makes zero sense for you to expect me to have a source that supports the trimming of unencyclopedic content. It honestly amazes me that you're spending this much time and energy trying to keep this trivial content in an article that isn't even about Halloween ComicFest. This article should be focused on Free Comic Book Day, not some other event that's jumped onto its coattails. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:35, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
the "importance" of a fact is subjective. It is not reasonable to disallow all information that some editors feel is unimportant, because that information could be important to some readers.and
Stand-alone trivia usually make excellent candidates for integration into the articles they appear in.While the guideline does recommend to "be bold" in removing items from trivia sections, it also notes that
There should be no specific timetable for the integration of trivia. I still hold that this isn't trivia to the subtopic, and I briefly included the subtopic in the article per WP:NOPAGE. – Reidgreg ( talk) 19:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey, I just noticed that the entire paragraph on Halloween ComicFest was plagiarized by (by, not from) Bleeding Cool (Johnston, Rich (8 September 2021). "Diamond Cancels Halloween ComicFest For 2021". Bleeding Cool.). Amusing. – Reidgreg ( talk) 17:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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Spidey104: You changed (or restored?) a passage in the lead: usually taking place on the first Saturday of May.
→ taking place on the first Saturday of May, with exceptions for 2004, 2020, and 2021.
In your edit summary, you stated Much more precise than "usually"
. While that's true, I feel that it's a level of precision that isn't needed for the lead – when summarizing the event through its whole history. Also, I feel that it makes for a rather long and awkward
MOS:LEADSENTENCE. I should try to rewrite the lead to better reflect the expanded article. Would you mind if I tried changing it back? –
Reidgreg (
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06:15, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
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Hi there, I'll be reviewing this nomination over the coming days. I'll try to prioritize this so that you can hopefully get it up on DYK in a few weeks.
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Comparable values nearby one another should be all spelled out or all in figures.The comparisons are: 4 publishers and 29 publishers; 2,000 stores and 2,340 retailers; 2 million, 2.5 million and 5.6 million books. Putting the attendance figure as
1 million
just looks weird to me. What if I expressed it as FCBD 2012 exceeded a million attendees
?
No issues.
complete 32-page single-issue storiesshould I remove 'single-issue'? The idea is that it's a full-length book which tells it's own story.
I seem to have miscounted the 20th anniversary. I've fixed that at the end of the History section.
Do you think the Free Comic Book Summer image should be removed? We had it during the previous years of the pandemic while things were up in the air. However, it's derivative of the infobox image and I'm not sure it provides enough added value to justify fair use. – Reidgreg ( talk) 22:46, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Spidey104, Nightscream, Ralphjerald, Susmuffin, and Kchishol1970: We've got a GA reviewer (please don't edit the article until the review is posted, btw) so I thought I'd invite frequent contributors to brainstorm on a DYK. I was worried about making the date and am not sure that I have any strong hooks. Some possibilities:
Please feel free to comment or add suggestions. Thanks. – Reidgreg ( talk) 16:23, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
In his August 2001 "Big Picture" column in Comics & Games Retailer magazine, inspired by Free Scoop Night at the Baskin-Robbins ice cream parlor next to his store, Field proposed Free Comic Book Day.Reading like this makes the reader throw away the the statement you're highlighting. I think better free scoop emphasis would come at the beginning.
Inspired by Free Scoop Night at the Baskin-Robbins ice cream parlor next to his store, Field proposed Free Comic Book Day in his August 2001 "Big Picture" column in Comics & Games Retailer magazine.or
Field was inspired by Free Scoop Night at the Baskin-Robbins ice cream parlor next to his store, and in his August 2001 "Big Picture" column in Comics & Games Retailer magazine, he proposed Free Comic Book Day.Or changing the subject to the scoop night instead of Field:
Free Scoop Night at the Baskin-Robbins ice cream parlor next to his store inspired Field to propose Free Comic Book Day in his August 2001 "Big Picture" column in Comics & Games Retailer magazine.(But then there might be more weight going to DYK rather than FCBD) Just some options... - 2pou ( talk) 07:03, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
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Improved to Good Article status by Reidgreg ( talk) and Spidey104 ( talk). Nominated by Reidgreg ( talk) at 22:09, 1 May 2022 (UTC).
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Earwig flagged a couple of close paraphrasing items. -- evrik ( talk) 00:34, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
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Awarded jointly and severally to Spidey104. PCN02WPS, Evrik, and Theleekycauldron, for all of your timely help with Free Comic Book Day for the event's 20th anniversary: expanding the article, cleaning it up, offering advice, reviewing it at GAN and DYK, and promoting its late entry into the queue. It has been greatly appreciated. – Reidgreg ( talk) 23:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC) |
Feel free to copy this to your userspaces. – Reidgreg ( talk) 23:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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@ Premeditated Chaos and Nightscream: I hope that we can discuss some of the recent changes to the Halloween ComicFest paragraph of the article. At some point – if the event itself stabilizes around COVID – I'd like to take it to GAN and any appearance of edit warring in the article history might disqualify it from consideration.
One of the changes was promoting titles with a "spooky" theme
→ promoting titles with a Halloween theme
. The edit summary cited
WP:TONE. I understand the point, and I wouldn't mind a more formal word being used there if we can agree upon one. I object to using "Halloween theme" because neither of the two sources used for the paragraph state this, and Halloween is not a synonym for spooky (the term used by the source). To me, "a Halloween theme" suggests trick-or-treating, costume parties, jack-o'-lanterns, etc. The sources don't mention these elements in the comics. To me, spooky suggests 'frightening' but with a light-hearted tone (noting that the titles are family-friendly and not hard horror). Is there another way to convey this? "Eerie" comes close, but I'm not sure it's that much better than "spooky".
WP:TONE states Standards for formal tone vary a bit depending upon the subject matter but should usually match the style used in Featured- and Good-class articles in the same category.
I checked a few event FAs for informal language:
The Chaser APEC pranks uses "gag" (informal),
Disco Demolition Night uses "shock jock" (slang),
Truthiness uses a number of neologisms and portmanteaus. So maybe one instance of "spooky" isn't too bad? If we can't agree to an alternative, I suggest changing it back to "spooky" which satisfies
verification policy (while WP:TONE is neither a policy nor a guideline).
Some other changes to the paragraph were explained in an edit summary as "trim fluff, reword". I felt it was important to state it plainly that the comics were free as, unlike the other events, Halloween ComicsFest does not have "free" (or gratis) in its name. The party/costume contest was an attempt to briefly show that it was developing into an event like the article subject. I felt that that content was important enough to include, though I don't mind attempts to rephrase it.
Please let me know your thoughts when you have time; no rush on this. – Reidgreg ( talk) 23:28, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
I was hoping that either of you might find a source to support your edits.It makes zero sense for you to expect me to have a source that supports the trimming of unencyclopedic content. It honestly amazes me that you're spending this much time and energy trying to keep this trivial content in an article that isn't even about Halloween ComicFest. This article should be focused on Free Comic Book Day, not some other event that's jumped onto its coattails. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:35, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
the "importance" of a fact is subjective. It is not reasonable to disallow all information that some editors feel is unimportant, because that information could be important to some readers.and
Stand-alone trivia usually make excellent candidates for integration into the articles they appear in.While the guideline does recommend to "be bold" in removing items from trivia sections, it also notes that
There should be no specific timetable for the integration of trivia. I still hold that this isn't trivia to the subtopic, and I briefly included the subtopic in the article per WP:NOPAGE. – Reidgreg ( talk) 19:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey, I just noticed that the entire paragraph on Halloween ComicFest was plagiarized by (by, not from) Bleeding Cool (Johnston, Rich (8 September 2021). "Diamond Cancels Halloween ComicFest For 2021". Bleeding Cool.). Amusing. – Reidgreg ( talk) 17:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
@
Spidey104: You changed (or restored?) a passage in the lead: usually taking place on the first Saturday of May.
→ taking place on the first Saturday of May, with exceptions for 2004, 2020, and 2021.
In your edit summary, you stated Much more precise than "usually"
. While that's true, I feel that it's a level of precision that isn't needed for the lead – when summarizing the event through its whole history. Also, I feel that it makes for a rather long and awkward
MOS:LEADSENTENCE. I should try to rewrite the lead to better reflect the expanded article. Would you mind if I tried changing it back? –
Reidgreg (
talk)
06:15, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: PCN02WPS ( talk · contribs) 16:16, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi there, I'll be reviewing this nomination over the coming days. I'll try to prioritize this so that you can hopefully get it up on DYK in a few weeks.
PCN02WPS (
talk |
contribs)
16:16, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
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Comparable values nearby one another should be all spelled out or all in figures.The comparisons are: 4 publishers and 29 publishers; 2,000 stores and 2,340 retailers; 2 million, 2.5 million and 5.6 million books. Putting the attendance figure as
1 million
just looks weird to me. What if I expressed it as FCBD 2012 exceeded a million attendees
?
No issues.
complete 32-page single-issue storiesshould I remove 'single-issue'? The idea is that it's a full-length book which tells it's own story.
I seem to have miscounted the 20th anniversary. I've fixed that at the end of the History section.
Do you think the Free Comic Book Summer image should be removed? We had it during the previous years of the pandemic while things were up in the air. However, it's derivative of the infobox image and I'm not sure it provides enough added value to justify fair use. – Reidgreg ( talk) 22:46, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Spidey104, Nightscream, Ralphjerald, Susmuffin, and Kchishol1970: We've got a GA reviewer (please don't edit the article until the review is posted, btw) so I thought I'd invite frequent contributors to brainstorm on a DYK. I was worried about making the date and am not sure that I have any strong hooks. Some possibilities:
Please feel free to comment or add suggestions. Thanks. – Reidgreg ( talk) 16:23, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
In his August 2001 "Big Picture" column in Comics & Games Retailer magazine, inspired by Free Scoop Night at the Baskin-Robbins ice cream parlor next to his store, Field proposed Free Comic Book Day.Reading like this makes the reader throw away the the statement you're highlighting. I think better free scoop emphasis would come at the beginning.
Inspired by Free Scoop Night at the Baskin-Robbins ice cream parlor next to his store, Field proposed Free Comic Book Day in his August 2001 "Big Picture" column in Comics & Games Retailer magazine.or
Field was inspired by Free Scoop Night at the Baskin-Robbins ice cream parlor next to his store, and in his August 2001 "Big Picture" column in Comics & Games Retailer magazine, he proposed Free Comic Book Day.Or changing the subject to the scoop night instead of Field:
Free Scoop Night at the Baskin-Robbins ice cream parlor next to his store inspired Field to propose Free Comic Book Day in his August 2001 "Big Picture" column in Comics & Games Retailer magazine.(But then there might be more weight going to DYK rather than FCBD) Just some options... - 2pou ( talk) 07:03, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Theleekycauldron (
talk)
01:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by Reidgreg ( talk) and Spidey104 ( talk). Nominated by Reidgreg ( talk) at 22:09, 1 May 2022 (UTC).
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Earwig flagged a couple of close paraphrasing items. -- evrik ( talk) 00:34, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
The Teamwork Barnstar | ||
Awarded jointly and severally to Spidey104. PCN02WPS, Evrik, and Theleekycauldron, for all of your timely help with Free Comic Book Day for the event's 20th anniversary: expanding the article, cleaning it up, offering advice, reviewing it at GAN and DYK, and promoting its late entry into the queue. It has been greatly appreciated. – Reidgreg ( talk) 23:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC) |
Feel free to copy this to your userspaces. – Reidgreg ( talk) 23:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)