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The page currently states: "Kaz will return as the masked wrestler Evolution and team with Prince Justice Brotherhood , along Shark Boy , Super Eric , and Curryman."
There is no source given for this and this information does not appear to be anywhere in the public domain. Unless there is any objection I will be removing this sentence as being unsourced speculation. Salim555 ( talk) 15:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Frankie currently does shows for JAPW(Jersey All PRO). He is an excellent to his art of wrestling and overall an enjoyment to watch in the ring...-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.203 ( talk) 19:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
About that pic of him and Shannon Moore together. I think it's a WWE Velocity taping, not a Smackdown taping.-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.183.53 ( talk) 02:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Same thing, Velocity was taped before SmackDown! - so it was a smackDown!/Velocity taping SAH-DennyCrane 14:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
On his profile at tnawrestling.com, his finishing move is technically called the Flex Capacitor. [1] It's just something I noticed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.157.179.197 ( talk)
OK, does TNA really bill him at that height and weight? I suspect that that part of the entry is the work of a vandal, because there is no way that they could bill him at that height, OR that weight. Jackjackjackjackjack ( talk) 21:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
shouldnt the flux capaciter be described as a rolling moonsault side slam? he doesnt really backflip, just turns like in a rolling moonsault. Skilldog2 ( talk) 02:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
There is a story on TNA's website that states Kazarian asked for his release, but it's believed that the story's a work, so I suggest the story should not be added to the entry. Steveweiser ( talk) 22:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Kaz should be returning as a masked wrestler "Suicide." Multiple sites state it and TNA has been airing subliminal ads for this guy, such as the 8/21/08 episode during Booker T's entrance. As he's walking up the stairs, the ad appears for less that 16.25 milliseconds. This is what they've been advertising subliminally. Just to let you know. I'm not too sure if this should be noted or not, but I'm just letting everyone know. SAVIOR_ SELF .777 07:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Nah, Kaz is. But really, I am Siocide. -- Numyht ( talk) 14:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
How about the Baltimore Sun as a reliable source? "It is Kaz in the Suicide costume, but the DOA finishing move he hit last night was a little sloppy, and that is very un-Kaz like." [2] Now will someone add the Suicide section. Austinmayor ( talk) 03:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Sure, not every publication is not reliable, but what makes the New York Times or Washington Post more "reliable" than the Baltimore Sun? Why should I consider them reliable sources at all? Perhaps I should go and flag all Wiki articles that reference these publications, as there is no proof that they are "reliable". As a matter of fact, what makes ANY print publication reliable? Might as well flag all of Wikipedia then.
Please tell me why would any print publication be deemed more reliable than the Baltimore Sun, a venerable newspaper with decades of history and numerous awards to its credit? -- Goosedoggy ( talk) 05:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I didn't bring in the Baltimore Sun as a source actually. However, if you want to discredit the Baltimore Sun as a credible source, it is YOUR job to prove why it is NOT a credible source. I gave clear reasons above why the Baltimore Sun is both reliable and verifiable. If this were not a wrestling-based article -- say a political article -- and I used the New York Times as a resource, it would be considered a credible and reliable resource, and it would be up to you to provide reasons why we should discredit it as a source.
Here, a reliable source (The Baltimore Sun, a historic, award-winning, reputable newspaper) is reporting information on their website through one of their reporters. It is verifiable by making a contact to the Baltimore Sun, asking for the reporter, and verifying if he stands by the statements in his article.
Will, please don't stump about Wikipedia's standards because it is clear you don't fully understand them. In this case you are misinterpreting the standard of verification. If TNA as a company doesn't want to officially state who is playing Suicide, and Kaz himself isn't commenting, we aren't going to get a verification from the "source". Take the politics example again -- if a reporter from the Post or Times implicates a politician and sites only unnamed or "insider" sources, that information still makes Wikipedia.
"According to Dave Johnson of the New York Times, Senator Smith with Mr Davidson five times in November and received 1.5 million in illegal contributions" A typical statement you would see on fictional Senator Smith's Wikipedia entry. But how would this statement be "verifiable"? What if this were a breaking story and the NYT were the first to report it? Do we not allow the information to post until the information has been "verified" by other news sources? What if reporter Johnson has sources that no other news outlet has? How would his information be verifiable?
Wikipedia is an oxymoron in itself ... its a real-time community resource of historic information. But if a reporter from the Baltimore Sun reports in an article, even a web article, that Kaz is Suicide, that qualifies as a source. It doesn't matter that other unreliable, disreputable sources reported it to be Amazing Red or Christopher Daniels (really?) ... what matters is that a reporter from a reliable newspaper IS saying that it is Kaz.
And what if the reporter from The Sun is wrong? Well, if a more reliable source can be found that states that Suicide is someone else, then Wikipedia will be updated accordingly. It wouldn't be the first time that a newspaper, major news outlet, or Wikipedia published incorrect information. -- Goosedoggy ( talk) 06:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_29684.shtml -- Goosedoggy ( talk) 03:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
TNAwrestling.com doesn't recognize his title win with Eric Young. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.39.132.154 ( talk) 05:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
The source that is being used for his Armenian origin seems to be far from credible — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.176.233.4 ( talk) 15:15, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
"In October/November 2012, Gerdelman and Brookshaw welcomed their first child, a son, which was confirmed in early July 2013." Why would they confirm it eight or nine months after the child was born? Wouldn't make sense to do so. I will revise that sentence to read "early 2013" as that makes much more sense. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 19:38, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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I noticed that the reference for Frankie's birthday is dead. I Googled for some reliable sources, but found none. However, on his official FaceBook, he talks about his birthday and thanks people for birthdays on this past August 4th. Surely Facebook is generally an unreliable source, but can there be any exception when the information is coming directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak? "Yes... It's Raining" 17:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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The page currently states: "Kaz will return as the masked wrestler Evolution and team with Prince Justice Brotherhood , along Shark Boy , Super Eric , and Curryman."
There is no source given for this and this information does not appear to be anywhere in the public domain. Unless there is any objection I will be removing this sentence as being unsourced speculation. Salim555 ( talk) 15:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Frankie currently does shows for JAPW(Jersey All PRO). He is an excellent to his art of wrestling and overall an enjoyment to watch in the ring...-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.203 ( talk) 19:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
About that pic of him and Shannon Moore together. I think it's a WWE Velocity taping, not a Smackdown taping.-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.183.53 ( talk) 02:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Same thing, Velocity was taped before SmackDown! - so it was a smackDown!/Velocity taping SAH-DennyCrane 14:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
On his profile at tnawrestling.com, his finishing move is technically called the Flex Capacitor. [1] It's just something I noticed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.157.179.197 ( talk)
OK, does TNA really bill him at that height and weight? I suspect that that part of the entry is the work of a vandal, because there is no way that they could bill him at that height, OR that weight. Jackjackjackjackjack ( talk) 21:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
shouldnt the flux capaciter be described as a rolling moonsault side slam? he doesnt really backflip, just turns like in a rolling moonsault. Skilldog2 ( talk) 02:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
There is a story on TNA's website that states Kazarian asked for his release, but it's believed that the story's a work, so I suggest the story should not be added to the entry. Steveweiser ( talk) 22:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Kaz should be returning as a masked wrestler "Suicide." Multiple sites state it and TNA has been airing subliminal ads for this guy, such as the 8/21/08 episode during Booker T's entrance. As he's walking up the stairs, the ad appears for less that 16.25 milliseconds. This is what they've been advertising subliminally. Just to let you know. I'm not too sure if this should be noted or not, but I'm just letting everyone know. SAVIOR_ SELF .777 07:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Nah, Kaz is. But really, I am Siocide. -- Numyht ( talk) 14:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
How about the Baltimore Sun as a reliable source? "It is Kaz in the Suicide costume, but the DOA finishing move he hit last night was a little sloppy, and that is very un-Kaz like." [2] Now will someone add the Suicide section. Austinmayor ( talk) 03:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Sure, not every publication is not reliable, but what makes the New York Times or Washington Post more "reliable" than the Baltimore Sun? Why should I consider them reliable sources at all? Perhaps I should go and flag all Wiki articles that reference these publications, as there is no proof that they are "reliable". As a matter of fact, what makes ANY print publication reliable? Might as well flag all of Wikipedia then.
Please tell me why would any print publication be deemed more reliable than the Baltimore Sun, a venerable newspaper with decades of history and numerous awards to its credit? -- Goosedoggy ( talk) 05:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I didn't bring in the Baltimore Sun as a source actually. However, if you want to discredit the Baltimore Sun as a credible source, it is YOUR job to prove why it is NOT a credible source. I gave clear reasons above why the Baltimore Sun is both reliable and verifiable. If this were not a wrestling-based article -- say a political article -- and I used the New York Times as a resource, it would be considered a credible and reliable resource, and it would be up to you to provide reasons why we should discredit it as a source.
Here, a reliable source (The Baltimore Sun, a historic, award-winning, reputable newspaper) is reporting information on their website through one of their reporters. It is verifiable by making a contact to the Baltimore Sun, asking for the reporter, and verifying if he stands by the statements in his article.
Will, please don't stump about Wikipedia's standards because it is clear you don't fully understand them. In this case you are misinterpreting the standard of verification. If TNA as a company doesn't want to officially state who is playing Suicide, and Kaz himself isn't commenting, we aren't going to get a verification from the "source". Take the politics example again -- if a reporter from the Post or Times implicates a politician and sites only unnamed or "insider" sources, that information still makes Wikipedia.
"According to Dave Johnson of the New York Times, Senator Smith with Mr Davidson five times in November and received 1.5 million in illegal contributions" A typical statement you would see on fictional Senator Smith's Wikipedia entry. But how would this statement be "verifiable"? What if this were a breaking story and the NYT were the first to report it? Do we not allow the information to post until the information has been "verified" by other news sources? What if reporter Johnson has sources that no other news outlet has? How would his information be verifiable?
Wikipedia is an oxymoron in itself ... its a real-time community resource of historic information. But if a reporter from the Baltimore Sun reports in an article, even a web article, that Kaz is Suicide, that qualifies as a source. It doesn't matter that other unreliable, disreputable sources reported it to be Amazing Red or Christopher Daniels (really?) ... what matters is that a reporter from a reliable newspaper IS saying that it is Kaz.
And what if the reporter from The Sun is wrong? Well, if a more reliable source can be found that states that Suicide is someone else, then Wikipedia will be updated accordingly. It wouldn't be the first time that a newspaper, major news outlet, or Wikipedia published incorrect information. -- Goosedoggy ( talk) 06:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_29684.shtml -- Goosedoggy ( talk) 03:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
TNAwrestling.com doesn't recognize his title win with Eric Young. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.39.132.154 ( talk) 05:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
The source that is being used for his Armenian origin seems to be far from credible — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.176.233.4 ( talk) 15:15, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
"In October/November 2012, Gerdelman and Brookshaw welcomed their first child, a son, which was confirmed in early July 2013." Why would they confirm it eight or nine months after the child was born? Wouldn't make sense to do so. I will revise that sentence to read "early 2013" as that makes much more sense. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 19:38, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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I noticed that the reference for Frankie's birthday is dead. I Googled for some reliable sources, but found none. However, on his official FaceBook, he talks about his birthday and thanks people for birthdays on this past August 4th. Surely Facebook is generally an unreliable source, but can there be any exception when the information is coming directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak? "Yes... It's Raining" 17:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)