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The result of the move request was: not moved --
JHunterJ (
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Note: target or "new" titles cannot have non-redirected content unless they are also to be renamed. So this request has been altered to reflect that requirement. P.I. Ellsworthed.put'r there01:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC) 02:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose, since the mathematician has more page views. I actually think his
WP:COMMONNAME is also "Frank Ramsey", and would rather disambiguate that page to something like
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Ortizesp (
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Comment For convenient reference, the mathemetician is currently titled
Frank P. Ramsey.—
Bagumba (
talk) 11:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Support per nomination. This is a classic example of
WP:TWODABS in almost all instances, there is no need for a disambiguation page if there are only two articles on the subject that can easily use hatnotes. Using a hatnote uses the same amount of clicks as a disambiguation page: one. Hatnotes can solve the issue. Also,
WP:SMALLDETAILS apply. One of the subjects is known with their middle initial so there is no reason the other one can't use the base name of Frank Ramsey.
cookie monster(2020)755 06:06, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Re: SMALLDETAILS, an initial in the title doesn't necessarily mean the subject is more know with the initial.
WP:NATURALDIS is preferred over parenthetical disambiguation, and it seems that's why the title has the initial, not
WP:COMMONNAME. The recent bio published on him is titled Frank Ramsey: A Sheer Excess of Powers, and a Google News search including "Cambridge" shows more hits without the initial.—
Bagumba (
talk) 12:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
If he is better known without the initial, I still support deletion of the disambiguation page. Hatnotes should suffice.
cookie monster(2020)755 21:02, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose No primary topic here. The mathemetician is more commonly known without the initial; it's presence in the title is due to
WP:NATURALDIS being preferred over parethetical disambiguation, not
WP:COMMONTITLE. Per the guideline
WP:NOPRIMARY (bolding added for emphasis): If there are multiple topics (even just two) to which a given title might refer, but per the criteria at
Is there a primary topic? there is no primary topic, then the base name should lead the reader to the disambiguation page for the term The nomination is confusing the guideline
WP:TWODABS with
WP:2DABPRIMARY, an essay which contradicts WP:NOPRIMARY.—
Bagumba (
talk) 12:38, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose The basketball player is certainly not the primary topic of "Frank Ramsey". In fact, the mathematician is probably the primary topic since he gets 6x the pageviews of the basketball player. --
King of♥♦♣ ♠ 00:28, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment@
King of Hearts: There is a recent spike in views due to the release of a the book I mentioned above at 12:21, 1 May. At this time last year, the views were about 100/day for each.
[1].—
Bagumba (
talk) 01:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Ah, OK. Then it's pretty clear there's no primary topic. --
King of♥♦♣ ♠ 02:00, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose; I have added a see also for
Frank William Ramsay (1875–1954), senior British Army officer in World War I, which is likely to be confused with Ramsey.
BD2412T 21:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. There is certainly no clear primary topic here. The mathematician should be renamed
Frank Ramsey (mathematician), given we never add middle names and initials purely for purposes of disambiguation and his common name is without the initial. --
Necrothesp (
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The result of the move request was: not moved --
JHunterJ (
talk) 11:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Note: target or "new" titles cannot have non-redirected content unless they are also to be renamed. So this request has been altered to reflect that requirement. P.I. Ellsworthed.put'r there01:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC) 02:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose, since the mathematician has more page views. I actually think his
WP:COMMONNAME is also "Frank Ramsey", and would rather disambiguate that page to something like
Frank Ramsey (mathematician).--
Ortizesp (
talk) 03:00, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment For convenient reference, the mathemetician is currently titled
Frank P. Ramsey.—
Bagumba (
talk) 11:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Support per nomination. This is a classic example of
WP:TWODABS in almost all instances, there is no need for a disambiguation page if there are only two articles on the subject that can easily use hatnotes. Using a hatnote uses the same amount of clicks as a disambiguation page: one. Hatnotes can solve the issue. Also,
WP:SMALLDETAILS apply. One of the subjects is known with their middle initial so there is no reason the other one can't use the base name of Frank Ramsey.
cookie monster(2020)755 06:06, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Re: SMALLDETAILS, an initial in the title doesn't necessarily mean the subject is more know with the initial.
WP:NATURALDIS is preferred over parenthetical disambiguation, and it seems that's why the title has the initial, not
WP:COMMONNAME. The recent bio published on him is titled Frank Ramsey: A Sheer Excess of Powers, and a Google News search including "Cambridge" shows more hits without the initial.—
Bagumba (
talk) 12:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
If he is better known without the initial, I still support deletion of the disambiguation page. Hatnotes should suffice.
cookie monster(2020)755 21:02, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose No primary topic here. The mathemetician is more commonly known without the initial; it's presence in the title is due to
WP:NATURALDIS being preferred over parethetical disambiguation, not
WP:COMMONTITLE. Per the guideline
WP:NOPRIMARY (bolding added for emphasis): If there are multiple topics (even just two) to which a given title might refer, but per the criteria at
Is there a primary topic? there is no primary topic, then the base name should lead the reader to the disambiguation page for the term The nomination is confusing the guideline
WP:TWODABS with
WP:2DABPRIMARY, an essay which contradicts WP:NOPRIMARY.—
Bagumba (
talk) 12:38, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose The basketball player is certainly not the primary topic of "Frank Ramsey". In fact, the mathematician is probably the primary topic since he gets 6x the pageviews of the basketball player. --
King of♥♦♣ ♠ 00:28, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment@
King of Hearts: There is a recent spike in views due to the release of a the book I mentioned above at 12:21, 1 May. At this time last year, the views were about 100/day for each.
[1].—
Bagumba (
talk) 01:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Ah, OK. Then it's pretty clear there's no primary topic. --
King of♥♦♣ ♠ 02:00, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose; I have added a see also for
Frank William Ramsay (1875–1954), senior British Army officer in World War I, which is likely to be confused with Ramsey.
BD2412T 21:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. There is certainly no clear primary topic here. The mathematician should be renamed
Frank Ramsey (mathematician), given we never add middle names and initials purely for purposes of disambiguation and his common name is without the initial. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 15:22, 6 May 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.