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I think this edit should be undone as unhelpful. Even if it's true that by some of the several competing schemes for naming Popes they are not supposed to be numbered until their names have been used more than once, there are plenty of references that nevertheless refer to the current Pope as 'Francis I', and the purpose of a disambiguation page is to help users find content, not to niggle. -sche ( talk) 19:18, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I think that so is perfect! Now we should only wish long life to the pope, otherwise - in case of a Francis II - we will have to change it again. :-) Alex2006 ( talk) 06:59, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Disambiguation pages are only meant to get readers where they want to go, we don't need to lecture them on what's "erroneous". It's also debatable that it's really erroneous, considering how much "Francis I" has been used in various sources. [1] Obviously many people will type in or click on that name looking for the Pope; this page's only real concern is getting them there. I've removed the unnecessaries.-- Cúchullain t/ c 20:59, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
This way of naming the pope is wrong, not debatable. The convention to name popes is one, and the Holy See recalled it immediately after the election (see for example here). Moreover, you can see this way of styling them on all the literature on the subject (Pastor, Gregorovius, etc.). See also a similar discussion on wiki:it. BTW, here in Italy (I am in Rome) after the first couple of days after the election, none is naming the pope as "Francis I" anymore, which demonstrates that "lecturing others" sometime works. :-) After reading WP:MOSDAB, which I could not find yesterday (thanks Cuchullain!), I think that we can assimilate the wrong denomination to a misspelling, and put it under a "See also" subsection, as it is recommended there. I agree with Cuchullain that the rest of the info can be removed, and can be put on the article about Pope Francis (if it is not there already). @Cuchullain: please refrain to change the original version until this discussion is finished. Thanks, Alex2006 ( talk) 07:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Ciao Cuchullain, and thanks for your reply. The problem for the Pope's names, is that they are not decided by me, you, or google. It is the Holy See which decide them. If google gives millions of hits, well, there are millions of people which are presently wrong. It is absolutely correct to have the wrong spelling in a dab page (only idiots don't change mind :-)), but this spelling remains wrong (unless poor Francis won't end like John Paul (I), then we have to change the name of the main article :-)). Anyway, I made a little statistics regarding Italian sites on Google, and I saw that the frequency of "Francesco I" is dramatically decreasing in the last days. Regarding your suggestion, (* Pope Francis, erroneously Pope Francis I (born 1936), Pope since 2013) it is 100% fine to me. A final word about my reversions: I think that it's fine to revert once, but then one should always discuss, having as base the version which started the discussion (the wrong one according to you). That's the only reason why I kept reverting your changes. Buona Pasqua da Roma con Papa Francesco (I), who I hopefully will meet tomorrow at the Via Crucis (if it stops raining, otherwise we will see soon the landing of Noah on the Ararat :-)) Alex2006 ( talk) 15:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Can't we just say unofficially instead of erroneously for Pope Francis? Many instances of the mention of Francis I in the media are not because of errors, but rather to portray him as the first pope in a new direction for the Holy See? -- FrancisPontifex talk 05:06, 15 April 2013 (UTC) (possible bias)
I concede that with your name you are not in the best position to start an edit war here :-) . I think that the main point here is that the new pope chooses his name, and that, with the above mentioned exception, none put an "I" at the end of the name. On the other side, the Style is unequivocal. (you can also read about that the italian wiki article about the pope's name) In this sense "Francis I" it is wrong. The adjective "erroneously" was IMHO a good compromise between not mentioning this pope at all (an excessive measure) and don't mentioning at all that this appellation is not correct. I must say that here in Rome (and in Italy) the appellation "Francesco I" after the first couple of days disappeared, and everyone names it "Papa Francesco", name which is also in accordance with his humble character. Alex2006 ( talk) 13:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
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I think this edit should be undone as unhelpful. Even if it's true that by some of the several competing schemes for naming Popes they are not supposed to be numbered until their names have been used more than once, there are plenty of references that nevertheless refer to the current Pope as 'Francis I', and the purpose of a disambiguation page is to help users find content, not to niggle. -sche ( talk) 19:18, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I think that so is perfect! Now we should only wish long life to the pope, otherwise - in case of a Francis II - we will have to change it again. :-) Alex2006 ( talk) 06:59, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Disambiguation pages are only meant to get readers where they want to go, we don't need to lecture them on what's "erroneous". It's also debatable that it's really erroneous, considering how much "Francis I" has been used in various sources. [1] Obviously many people will type in or click on that name looking for the Pope; this page's only real concern is getting them there. I've removed the unnecessaries.-- Cúchullain t/ c 20:59, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
This way of naming the pope is wrong, not debatable. The convention to name popes is one, and the Holy See recalled it immediately after the election (see for example here). Moreover, you can see this way of styling them on all the literature on the subject (Pastor, Gregorovius, etc.). See also a similar discussion on wiki:it. BTW, here in Italy (I am in Rome) after the first couple of days after the election, none is naming the pope as "Francis I" anymore, which demonstrates that "lecturing others" sometime works. :-) After reading WP:MOSDAB, which I could not find yesterday (thanks Cuchullain!), I think that we can assimilate the wrong denomination to a misspelling, and put it under a "See also" subsection, as it is recommended there. I agree with Cuchullain that the rest of the info can be removed, and can be put on the article about Pope Francis (if it is not there already). @Cuchullain: please refrain to change the original version until this discussion is finished. Thanks, Alex2006 ( talk) 07:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Ciao Cuchullain, and thanks for your reply. The problem for the Pope's names, is that they are not decided by me, you, or google. It is the Holy See which decide them. If google gives millions of hits, well, there are millions of people which are presently wrong. It is absolutely correct to have the wrong spelling in a dab page (only idiots don't change mind :-)), but this spelling remains wrong (unless poor Francis won't end like John Paul (I), then we have to change the name of the main article :-)). Anyway, I made a little statistics regarding Italian sites on Google, and I saw that the frequency of "Francesco I" is dramatically decreasing in the last days. Regarding your suggestion, (* Pope Francis, erroneously Pope Francis I (born 1936), Pope since 2013) it is 100% fine to me. A final word about my reversions: I think that it's fine to revert once, but then one should always discuss, having as base the version which started the discussion (the wrong one according to you). That's the only reason why I kept reverting your changes. Buona Pasqua da Roma con Papa Francesco (I), who I hopefully will meet tomorrow at the Via Crucis (if it stops raining, otherwise we will see soon the landing of Noah on the Ararat :-)) Alex2006 ( talk) 15:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Can't we just say unofficially instead of erroneously for Pope Francis? Many instances of the mention of Francis I in the media are not because of errors, but rather to portray him as the first pope in a new direction for the Holy See? -- FrancisPontifex talk 05:06, 15 April 2013 (UTC) (possible bias)
I concede that with your name you are not in the best position to start an edit war here :-) . I think that the main point here is that the new pope chooses his name, and that, with the above mentioned exception, none put an "I" at the end of the name. On the other side, the Style is unequivocal. (you can also read about that the italian wiki article about the pope's name) In this sense "Francis I" it is wrong. The adjective "erroneously" was IMHO a good compromise between not mentioning this pope at all (an excessive measure) and don't mentioning at all that this appellation is not correct. I must say that here in Rome (and in Italy) the appellation "Francesco I" after the first couple of days disappeared, and everyone names it "Papa Francesco", name which is also in accordance with his humble character. Alex2006 ( talk) 13:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)