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72 scholarly articles use this phrase; several of them are about Canada or Eastern Europe, or mean a political system with a fourth party. [1]. Generally used? Not by my standards. Septentrionalis 03:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
American Politics, Second Edition William Lasser, Clemson University http://www.college.hmco.com/polisci/lasser/am_pol/2e/students/ch_out09.html Chapter Nine: Political Parties Basic Concepts The Framers and Political Parties The Idea of a Party System The American Party System Parties in the American Political System Parties and the Party Systems in American History The Idea of Realignment The First Party System The Second Party System The Third and Fourth Party Systems The Fifth (or New Deal) Party System The Modern American Party System Democrats and Republicans Today Rjensen 03:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen 04:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I congratulate Rjensen on his ability to cut and paste; is this a scholar.google.com result (in which case there should be a couple dozen more) or has he actually called up JSTOR?
Nevertheless, the 16 books mentioning Fourth Party System in the United States are a small fraction of the discussion of political realignment in the United States. Septentrionalis 04:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
How prevalent is this 'party system' stuff? Someone has splattered this "party system" method of understanding American political party development all over American history articles in wiki. But how prevalent is this system stuff. Who is McCormick, the guy who invented it? Is this system in common use in scholarship, or is it just the academic bailiwick of some little scholar in Pennsylvania, for example? Wise people want to know. I think this article needs to give some background on the "party system" method of understanding American history, who developed it, and what it's all about
Really, now. There was a severe contraction in 1902 and another in 1907; and does this count Bryan himself as a personality of the Third Party System or does it not? It's an exaggeration either way. The claims of historical systems should not be presented as fact, but as the opinions of their proponents. Septentrionalis 04:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't the two article somehow overlap? Tazmaniacs 19:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Note that the Party Systems articles also overlap with various History of the United States of America, i.e. History of the United States (1918–1945)... I know they don't refer exactly to the same thing (in particular do not have the exact same correspondence of chronologies) but do overlap in many ways. I think some sort of general structure between these articles should be used. Maybe by focusing "Party Systems" articles on political history (while Progressive Era would refer to more social & cultural changes) and having the main, historical articles on general matters. Tazmaniacs 19:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I quote from a work of political science published in 1997, thirty years into this alleged predominance:
TWO ERRORS: Factually, Theodore Roosevelt was not elected President in 1901; he succeeded upon the assassination of McKinley in September of that year. Stylistically, the United States should never be referred to as "they." It's one nation.
Doug O'Connell (
talk) 03:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
The caption (both here and on the image page) on the map at the top of the page ( File:USPresResults1896 1932.png) says it covers 1896-1932 elections (excluding 1912). This would include nine elections, but the color scheme only accounts for eight elections. I'm guessing 1932 isn't actually included, because many of the states coded "Voted Republican 8 out of 8 elections" voted Democratic in 1932 (Oregon, Idaho, Minnesota, several others.) Could somebody else confirm that this is the case? Thanks-- Malepheasant ( talk) 09:49, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
What was the role of Redemptorist 'missionary' priests who were sent up north from Baltimore to organize German brewery workers in otherwise dry Prostestant areas? US expansion MaynardClark ( talk) 22:36, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Part of the end of the fourth party system was the switch of African-American voters to the Democratic Party, particularly after the anaemic response of the federal government to the catastrophic flooding in the lower Mississippi River basin in 1927. In particular it involved Herbert Hoover, first as a member of the Coolidge Administration then as President. It was such a complete and rapid change that it came up in the media and elsewhere after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. One of the people I see quoted most often by political scientists on this is Al Sharpton. In the South the flooding was worse than 1993 with some towns in Mississppi and Louisiana being under more than 33m/100 ft of water at one point. The African-American vote had gone mainly to to the Republicans during Reconstruction and Post-Reconstruction, the latter of which takes us up to the autumn of 1929, by which point the die was cast and in 1932 those votes were part of the FDR coalition to a large extent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.95.162.32 ( talk) 23:36, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Idaho voted Democrat in 1916. So why is it shown as 8 out of 8 times Republican in the first picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.129.176 ( talk) 14:55, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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Just pointing out that the sentence "The Presidency of Woodrow Wilson marked a watershed as a new generation of Democrats without the baggage of slavery and secession" is missing a verb in the second part. What did the new generation of Democrats do? O0drogue0o ( talk) 07:52, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
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72 scholarly articles use this phrase; several of them are about Canada or Eastern Europe, or mean a political system with a fourth party. [1]. Generally used? Not by my standards. Septentrionalis 03:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
American Politics, Second Edition William Lasser, Clemson University http://www.college.hmco.com/polisci/lasser/am_pol/2e/students/ch_out09.html Chapter Nine: Political Parties Basic Concepts The Framers and Political Parties The Idea of a Party System The American Party System Parties in the American Political System Parties and the Party Systems in American History The Idea of Realignment The First Party System The Second Party System The Third and Fourth Party Systems The Fifth (or New Deal) Party System The Modern American Party System Democrats and Republicans Today Rjensen 03:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen 04:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I congratulate Rjensen on his ability to cut and paste; is this a scholar.google.com result (in which case there should be a couple dozen more) or has he actually called up JSTOR?
Nevertheless, the 16 books mentioning Fourth Party System in the United States are a small fraction of the discussion of political realignment in the United States. Septentrionalis 04:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
How prevalent is this 'party system' stuff? Someone has splattered this "party system" method of understanding American political party development all over American history articles in wiki. But how prevalent is this system stuff. Who is McCormick, the guy who invented it? Is this system in common use in scholarship, or is it just the academic bailiwick of some little scholar in Pennsylvania, for example? Wise people want to know. I think this article needs to give some background on the "party system" method of understanding American history, who developed it, and what it's all about
Really, now. There was a severe contraction in 1902 and another in 1907; and does this count Bryan himself as a personality of the Third Party System or does it not? It's an exaggeration either way. The claims of historical systems should not be presented as fact, but as the opinions of their proponents. Septentrionalis 04:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't the two article somehow overlap? Tazmaniacs 19:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Note that the Party Systems articles also overlap with various History of the United States of America, i.e. History of the United States (1918–1945)... I know they don't refer exactly to the same thing (in particular do not have the exact same correspondence of chronologies) but do overlap in many ways. I think some sort of general structure between these articles should be used. Maybe by focusing "Party Systems" articles on political history (while Progressive Era would refer to more social & cultural changes) and having the main, historical articles on general matters. Tazmaniacs 19:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I quote from a work of political science published in 1997, thirty years into this alleged predominance:
TWO ERRORS: Factually, Theodore Roosevelt was not elected President in 1901; he succeeded upon the assassination of McKinley in September of that year. Stylistically, the United States should never be referred to as "they." It's one nation.
Doug O'Connell (
talk) 03:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
The caption (both here and on the image page) on the map at the top of the page ( File:USPresResults1896 1932.png) says it covers 1896-1932 elections (excluding 1912). This would include nine elections, but the color scheme only accounts for eight elections. I'm guessing 1932 isn't actually included, because many of the states coded "Voted Republican 8 out of 8 elections" voted Democratic in 1932 (Oregon, Idaho, Minnesota, several others.) Could somebody else confirm that this is the case? Thanks-- Malepheasant ( talk) 09:49, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
What was the role of Redemptorist 'missionary' priests who were sent up north from Baltimore to organize German brewery workers in otherwise dry Prostestant areas? US expansion MaynardClark ( talk) 22:36, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Part of the end of the fourth party system was the switch of African-American voters to the Democratic Party, particularly after the anaemic response of the federal government to the catastrophic flooding in the lower Mississippi River basin in 1927. In particular it involved Herbert Hoover, first as a member of the Coolidge Administration then as President. It was such a complete and rapid change that it came up in the media and elsewhere after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. One of the people I see quoted most often by political scientists on this is Al Sharpton. In the South the flooding was worse than 1993 with some towns in Mississppi and Louisiana being under more than 33m/100 ft of water at one point. The African-American vote had gone mainly to to the Republicans during Reconstruction and Post-Reconstruction, the latter of which takes us up to the autumn of 1929, by which point the die was cast and in 1932 those votes were part of the FDR coalition to a large extent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.95.162.32 ( talk) 23:36, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Idaho voted Democrat in 1916. So why is it shown as 8 out of 8 times Republican in the first picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.129.176 ( talk) 14:55, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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Just pointing out that the sentence "The Presidency of Woodrow Wilson marked a watershed as a new generation of Democrats without the baggage of slavery and secession" is missing a verb in the second part. What did the new generation of Democrats do? O0drogue0o ( talk) 07:52, 28 June 2018 (UTC)