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I've tried to re-write this as consisely as possible, removing anything that was not suitably cited. I would stress at this point, that adding {{ fact}} to an uncited critical claim will not suffice, but should be removed - WP:BLP#Remove_unsourced_criticism is explicit on this matter. With that in mind, I removed the reference to what "some neighours" were reported to have said, despite a reputable paper printing it, as I do not regard a vague reference from unnamed persons in the midst of an event as a reliable source.
I have also removed the crime stub, because labelling it as a stub might encourage expansion without sources, and when dealing with current affairs, and especially current events regarding living people, extreme caution must be taken before adding in speculation, which I why I think events of this nature should only be on wikinews, and not on wikipedia until the dust has settled. But as it's here, I will do my best to make sure it's fully referenced. Regards, MartinRe 10:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Now that this story seems to have settled down somewhat, it looks to me as if it can be summerised as "police raid house, nothing found, one injured, two arrested, later released without charge, and may sue". Is this really notable enough for an encyclopedia article? (as opposed to wikinews) Would it not be more appropiate as a section/note on more appropiate pages, such as Forest Gate? (I mention merge/delete above as, with this case, all informtion that can appear in a summary is self contained in later sources, so the summary can be written from scratch very easily, which wouldn't require this history retained (which contains speculation, later proven incorrect) Regards, MartinRe 11:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Now that some time has passed, it is clear that the Forest Gate raid is most definitely notable enough for an encyclopedia. I live in Forest Gate and last week, met with a team of police officers from Burnley who came down to speak to local people, the local police and Newham_Monitoring_Project. Apparently the Forest Gate raid is a touchstone issue for young people in Lancashire whenever discussions about terrorism and extremism are raised. I've heard the same thing from other people from different parts of the country but it's the sort of thing that is difficult to find references for, as there has been little academic research. The report by Newham Monitoring Project reportseems to be the only specific commentary of the raid. Has anyone heard of any other analysis that has been produced?
I've removed the section for the moment, as I believe the current links aren't necessary. One is a blog link, another is a link to an opinion which might be relevant into the main text under protests/reactions (if it's not too fringe (NPOV#undue weight) and the register article discusses "what wouldn't have happened anyway if this event turned out to be what was suspected (which it didn't)" which is somewhat a stretch for relevence. Regards, MartinRe 11:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Per naming conventions, I have renamed the article to reflect the more widespread name given to the events. The Guardian, The Associated Press, The Independent, The Times and ITV all use the term "Forest Gate raid". -- Irishpunktom\ talk 13:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
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I've tried to re-write this as consisely as possible, removing anything that was not suitably cited. I would stress at this point, that adding {{ fact}} to an uncited critical claim will not suffice, but should be removed - WP:BLP#Remove_unsourced_criticism is explicit on this matter. With that in mind, I removed the reference to what "some neighours" were reported to have said, despite a reputable paper printing it, as I do not regard a vague reference from unnamed persons in the midst of an event as a reliable source.
I have also removed the crime stub, because labelling it as a stub might encourage expansion without sources, and when dealing with current affairs, and especially current events regarding living people, extreme caution must be taken before adding in speculation, which I why I think events of this nature should only be on wikinews, and not on wikipedia until the dust has settled. But as it's here, I will do my best to make sure it's fully referenced. Regards, MartinRe 10:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Now that this story seems to have settled down somewhat, it looks to me as if it can be summerised as "police raid house, nothing found, one injured, two arrested, later released without charge, and may sue". Is this really notable enough for an encyclopedia article? (as opposed to wikinews) Would it not be more appropiate as a section/note on more appropiate pages, such as Forest Gate? (I mention merge/delete above as, with this case, all informtion that can appear in a summary is self contained in later sources, so the summary can be written from scratch very easily, which wouldn't require this history retained (which contains speculation, later proven incorrect) Regards, MartinRe 11:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Now that some time has passed, it is clear that the Forest Gate raid is most definitely notable enough for an encyclopedia. I live in Forest Gate and last week, met with a team of police officers from Burnley who came down to speak to local people, the local police and Newham_Monitoring_Project. Apparently the Forest Gate raid is a touchstone issue for young people in Lancashire whenever discussions about terrorism and extremism are raised. I've heard the same thing from other people from different parts of the country but it's the sort of thing that is difficult to find references for, as there has been little academic research. The report by Newham Monitoring Project reportseems to be the only specific commentary of the raid. Has anyone heard of any other analysis that has been produced?
I've removed the section for the moment, as I believe the current links aren't necessary. One is a blog link, another is a link to an opinion which might be relevant into the main text under protests/reactions (if it's not too fringe (NPOV#undue weight) and the register article discusses "what wouldn't have happened anyway if this event turned out to be what was suspected (which it didn't)" which is somewhat a stretch for relevence. Regards, MartinRe 11:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Per naming conventions, I have renamed the article to reflect the more widespread name given to the events. The Guardian, The Associated Press, The Independent, The Times and ITV all use the term "Forest Gate raid". -- Irishpunktom\ talk 13:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)