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Was the Republic of Ireland ever a member of the Non Aligned Movement? If so, when did it leave? JAJ 22:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
The border with Northern Ireland was accepted by the Irish Free State government in 1925. See Boundary Commission (Ireland). The same agreement that resolved the border also absolved the Irish Free State of any responsibility for payment of the United Kingdom public debt, part of which it would normally have been expected to take responsibility for as a successor state.
Only the adoption of the Constitution of Ireland in 1937 re-opened the question, until amended in 1998/99. But it appears that other countries never recognised this claim. JAJ 22:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
In Horgan v. Ireland, the government argued that they were simply maintaining what they called "the longstanding arrangements for the overflight and landing in Ireland of US military and civilian aircraft". So I've added a {{ Fact}} tag to this statement. Demiurge 17:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
It says here that the Soviet Union originally blocked the membership of Eire (as the 26 county Irish nation-state was than known) from U.N. membership? Why would they have done that, it makes no sense to me. Didn't the USSR, amongst other Communist nations have sympathy for the Irish nationalist and republican cause??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadianpunk77 ( talk • contribs) 17:58, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
actually it was the US that intially blocked Irish membership, two primary reasons the Irish hadn't been even nominal part of the UN alliance, and they Irish government had offered condolences on the death of Hitler but not FDR, it was the British government that convinced the americans to let the Irish join. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.70.60 ( talk) 05:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
They are the guidelines....I have tried but do not appear to be able to get the formatted logo etc to show up...Wonder where I went wrong...Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 21:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was wait for WP:IECOLL to finish its work. Aervanath ( talk) 15:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I have proposed that this article be moved to "foreign relations of Ireland". This accords with the name of the state which is "Ireland" not "Republic of Ireland" - (See Names of the Irish state). There is, in my view, no room for confusion with the island of Ireland in this case because islands do not have foreign relations. The move is currently being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Irish Wikipedians' notice board. Please support this move.
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Overview: The name of the Irish State is Ireland not the Republic of Ireland. This is discussed at length at: Names of the Irish state. Sometimes people say that confusion can be caused by using "Ireland" instead of "Republic of Ireland" because it is the same name as the island of Ireland – what I will call the “Confusion Argument”. Sometimes, that argument is genuine and makes sense. Other times it stems from a POV where people do not accept the name of the State; do not regard the name used as important; and/or are not concerned that use of other names are inaccurate and misleading.
Several attempts to use the Confusion Argument against the moves have been made. The central response to each is that these particular articles concern the civil service, the public service and foreign relations. Islands do not have civil services, public services or foreign relations. If a reader comes to the article, the reader could not possibly think that these were institution or foreign relations of a geographical entity. They necessarily have to be institutions of a political entity, i.e. the State. There is no potential for any confusion. Rather than repeating this point over and over, I will call this counter-argument the “Islands Are Not States Response".
CONFUSION ARGUMENT
The following is a response to each particular Confusion Argument raised:
CONSISTENCY AND OTHER ARGUMENTS
SHORT SUMMARY OF ARGUMENTS FOR THE MOVES
In conclusion, please Support this move. Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 21:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Oppose wait for WP:IECOLL to conclude it's business Gnevin ( talk) 21:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Oppose per Fribbler. Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 01:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
The article says "By 2004, China (including Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau) had become Ireland’s 7th largest trading partner." The source provided is "Speech by Mr Dermot Ahern, TD, Minister for Foreign Affairs at a business lunch co-hosted with Enterprise Ireland for His Excellency Huang Ju, Vice Premier of the People’s Republic of China, 17/11/2004 (Department of Foreign Affairs Website)", but there is no link given so that the text of the speech can be verified. Did the Minister actually specify that his statistics were including Hong Kong, Macau and even Taiwan? Did the Minister actually go out of his way to insult Taiwan like that? If this information is correct, the Citation needs to include the quote that shows this is what the Minister actually said. Readin ( talk) 14:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Should Cuba be added considering 1) Cuba has an embassy in dublin 2) A high profile visit to cuba recently by the govt.
I'm pretty new to wikipedia so if anyone else wants to do it I'd be happy to step aside but if no one does it or has anything against me doing it I might add a section —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookingthrough ( talk • contribs) 00:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
This article says that there are 20,000 Armenians living in Waterford!!! Considering that there are less than 50,000 people in Waterford City and another 57,000 in Co. Waterford (outside the city), it would mean that the population would be about 19% Armenian. I've checked the Census results for 2006 and there were between 51 and 200 Armenians living in the entire country at the time. So, unless there's been a mass exodus from Armenia to Waterford in the last four years, this claim is way off. I'm removing that figure from the page. If anyone has a valid source that can claim those 20,000 people really live there, then by all means add it in! :-) Dennisc24 ( talk) 15:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm wondering why were the flags removed from the tables? They are in place on pages for most other countries in the world, so why were they removed from the Ireland page? I see in the annos that it was done apparently in line with MOS:FLAGS. If this was standard procedure on Wikipedia, should it not be visible on a large percentage of pages relating to other countries already? I for one think that the flags should be put back in the table - not just for their aesthetic value, they do assist when scrolling through long lists. Dennisc24 ( talk) 21:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
could someone add flags to the countries please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.12.218 ( talk) 17:48, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
>> Column: Ireland is reviewing its foreign policy – but it’s asking the wrong questions( Lihaas ( talk) 15:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)).
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The result of the move request was: Move. No objections after over 9 days. Cúchullain t/ c 20:50, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
An exception is where the state forms a major component of the topic (e.g. on articles relating to states, politics or governance) where "Ireland" should be preferred and the island should be referred to as the "island of Ireland" or similar (e.g. "Ireland is a state in Europe occupying most of the island of Ireland")."
This is clearly one of the exceptions set out in the second of the two paragraphs above from WP:IRE-IRL. In international relations, the country is known by its constitutional name "Ireland", rather than by the description "Republic of Ireland": the United Nations and the European Union (EU) both use "Ireland", as does the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) and the Universal Postal Union (UPU), etc etc.
There is no ambiguity here with Northern Ireland, because Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom. As such Northern Ireland is not a sovereign state and like Texas or Bavaria or Queensland it does not conduct its own diplomatic relations or hold its own membership of international organisations. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
"wait for WP:IECOLL to finish its work". IECOLL completed its work back in 2009. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:54, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Category:Foreign relations of the Republic of Ireland, which is relates to this article, has been nominated for renaming to Category:Foreign relations of Ireland. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:13, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Considering that data for resident Andorran nationals are absent from the 2016 Irish Census, which even records the 47 Luxembourgers resident in the State, this would appear to be clearly false. [1] Culloty82 ( talk) 16:59, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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Was the Republic of Ireland ever a member of the Non Aligned Movement? If so, when did it leave? JAJ 22:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
The border with Northern Ireland was accepted by the Irish Free State government in 1925. See Boundary Commission (Ireland). The same agreement that resolved the border also absolved the Irish Free State of any responsibility for payment of the United Kingdom public debt, part of which it would normally have been expected to take responsibility for as a successor state.
Only the adoption of the Constitution of Ireland in 1937 re-opened the question, until amended in 1998/99. But it appears that other countries never recognised this claim. JAJ 22:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
In Horgan v. Ireland, the government argued that they were simply maintaining what they called "the longstanding arrangements for the overflight and landing in Ireland of US military and civilian aircraft". So I've added a {{ Fact}} tag to this statement. Demiurge 17:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
It says here that the Soviet Union originally blocked the membership of Eire (as the 26 county Irish nation-state was than known) from U.N. membership? Why would they have done that, it makes no sense to me. Didn't the USSR, amongst other Communist nations have sympathy for the Irish nationalist and republican cause??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadianpunk77 ( talk • contribs) 17:58, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
actually it was the US that intially blocked Irish membership, two primary reasons the Irish hadn't been even nominal part of the UN alliance, and they Irish government had offered condolences on the death of Hitler but not FDR, it was the British government that convinced the americans to let the Irish join. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.70.60 ( talk) 05:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
They are the guidelines....I have tried but do not appear to be able to get the formatted logo etc to show up...Wonder where I went wrong...Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 21:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was wait for WP:IECOLL to finish its work. Aervanath ( talk) 15:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I have proposed that this article be moved to "foreign relations of Ireland". This accords with the name of the state which is "Ireland" not "Republic of Ireland" - (See Names of the Irish state). There is, in my view, no room for confusion with the island of Ireland in this case because islands do not have foreign relations. The move is currently being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Irish Wikipedians' notice board. Please support this move.
THE ARGUMENTS CONCERNING THE MOVE
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This following is a very long (possibly dull and unavoidably repetitious) comment. As is apparent from the above, I have proposed the three moves under discussion. This is a serious response to a comment that I needed to “step back and actually read other users comments [rejecting the three moves] and not just ignore them””. It is an attempt to build consensus.
Overview: The name of the Irish State is Ireland not the Republic of Ireland. This is discussed at length at: Names of the Irish state. Sometimes people say that confusion can be caused by using "Ireland" instead of "Republic of Ireland" because it is the same name as the island of Ireland – what I will call the “Confusion Argument”. Sometimes, that argument is genuine and makes sense. Other times it stems from a POV where people do not accept the name of the State; do not regard the name used as important; and/or are not concerned that use of other names are inaccurate and misleading.
Several attempts to use the Confusion Argument against the moves have been made. The central response to each is that these particular articles concern the civil service, the public service and foreign relations. Islands do not have civil services, public services or foreign relations. If a reader comes to the article, the reader could not possibly think that these were institution or foreign relations of a geographical entity. They necessarily have to be institutions of a political entity, i.e. the State. There is no potential for any confusion. Rather than repeating this point over and over, I will call this counter-argument the “Islands Are Not States Response".
CONFUSION ARGUMENT
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CONSISTENCY AND OTHER ARGUMENTS
SHORT SUMMARY OF ARGUMENTS FOR THE MOVES
In conclusion, please Support this move. Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 21:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Oppose wait for WP:IECOLL to conclude it's business Gnevin ( talk) 21:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Oppose per Fribbler. Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 01:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
The article says "By 2004, China (including Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau) had become Ireland’s 7th largest trading partner." The source provided is "Speech by Mr Dermot Ahern, TD, Minister for Foreign Affairs at a business lunch co-hosted with Enterprise Ireland for His Excellency Huang Ju, Vice Premier of the People’s Republic of China, 17/11/2004 (Department of Foreign Affairs Website)", but there is no link given so that the text of the speech can be verified. Did the Minister actually specify that his statistics were including Hong Kong, Macau and even Taiwan? Did the Minister actually go out of his way to insult Taiwan like that? If this information is correct, the Citation needs to include the quote that shows this is what the Minister actually said. Readin ( talk) 14:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Should Cuba be added considering 1) Cuba has an embassy in dublin 2) A high profile visit to cuba recently by the govt.
I'm pretty new to wikipedia so if anyone else wants to do it I'd be happy to step aside but if no one does it or has anything against me doing it I might add a section —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookingthrough ( talk • contribs) 00:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
This article says that there are 20,000 Armenians living in Waterford!!! Considering that there are less than 50,000 people in Waterford City and another 57,000 in Co. Waterford (outside the city), it would mean that the population would be about 19% Armenian. I've checked the Census results for 2006 and there were between 51 and 200 Armenians living in the entire country at the time. So, unless there's been a mass exodus from Armenia to Waterford in the last four years, this claim is way off. I'm removing that figure from the page. If anyone has a valid source that can claim those 20,000 people really live there, then by all means add it in! :-) Dennisc24 ( talk) 15:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm wondering why were the flags removed from the tables? They are in place on pages for most other countries in the world, so why were they removed from the Ireland page? I see in the annos that it was done apparently in line with MOS:FLAGS. If this was standard procedure on Wikipedia, should it not be visible on a large percentage of pages relating to other countries already? I for one think that the flags should be put back in the table - not just for their aesthetic value, they do assist when scrolling through long lists. Dennisc24 ( talk) 21:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
could someone add flags to the countries please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.12.218 ( talk) 17:48, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
>> Column: Ireland is reviewing its foreign policy – but it’s asking the wrong questions( Lihaas ( talk) 15:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)).
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The result of the move request was: Move. No objections after over 9 days. Cúchullain t/ c 20:50, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
An exception is where the state forms a major component of the topic (e.g. on articles relating to states, politics or governance) where "Ireland" should be preferred and the island should be referred to as the "island of Ireland" or similar (e.g. "Ireland is a state in Europe occupying most of the island of Ireland")."
This is clearly one of the exceptions set out in the second of the two paragraphs above from WP:IRE-IRL. In international relations, the country is known by its constitutional name "Ireland", rather than by the description "Republic of Ireland": the United Nations and the European Union (EU) both use "Ireland", as does the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) and the Universal Postal Union (UPU), etc etc.
There is no ambiguity here with Northern Ireland, because Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom. As such Northern Ireland is not a sovereign state and like Texas or Bavaria or Queensland it does not conduct its own diplomatic relations or hold its own membership of international organisations. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
"wait for WP:IECOLL to finish its work". IECOLL completed its work back in 2009. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:54, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Category:Foreign relations of the Republic of Ireland, which is relates to this article, has been nominated for renaming to Category:Foreign relations of Ireland. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:13, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Considering that data for resident Andorran nationals are absent from the 2016 Irish Census, which even records the 47 Luxembourgers resident in the State, this would appear to be clearly false. [1] Culloty82 ( talk) 16:59, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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