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Am I the only one that thinks that the section on the Middle East is overly long compared to the other sections, and exhbibits considerable bias? David.Monniaux
I agree that it is overly long and I think many Haitians would be offended by the statement that France tried to reinstall democracy in Haiti. The Haitians I know claim that French and US forces hijacked Aristide and hand the power to members of the former dictatorial regime. Get-back-world-respect 01:27, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
De Gaulle launched the immense shift in policy from one favouring Israel to one favouring the Arab states for a combination of reasons. It was becoming obvious that the strengthening alliance between the United States and Israel would soon make France's role as an ally mostly irrelevant. The US could always provide Israel with more money and with higher levels of military technology. For France to play an important role in the region it seemed supporting the Arab side would give it more leverage in the future. Trade considerations also came into play.
Isn't that speculation as to De Gaulle's motives and intentions? Is there documentation for this?
Nasser and de Gaulle, who shared many similarities, – as in? Same politics (Nasser was a Socialist, de Gaulle was certainly not one)?
The United States, the United Kingdom and West Germany all sold far more to the Middle East each year than France, and none of these states pursued as strong a pro-Arab policy as did the French. Quite the opposite was true of the United States and Britain which firmly backed Israel and were opposed to many of the governments in the region, especially Nasser's Egypt. The Arab states would almost always prefer the cheaper goods from an anti-Arab nation than more expensive ones from a pro-Arab state such as France. France was not as successful economically as Britain, Germany, or the United States and no amount of positive relations with the Arab world could overcome the greater costs of French goods. Any evidence that French goods were substantially more expensive than British goods?
The last part of the article sounds like an editorial piece written from the point of view that the French government is stupid to have pursued a policy that did not gain it anything, except terrorism and US and Israeli hostility. This may be true; yet, Wikipedia is not the place to write essays as to what kind of foreign policy such and such country should have followed 30 years ago. We should give the facts, with correct perspective. David.Monniaux 13:29, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Sure that's nice but really who cares?
Please refrain from POV such as "France was found guilty of corruption". A country cannot be corrupt, people can. The scandal referred to included many politicians and firms from many countries, also from North America. Añoranza 15:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I know it's going to double the size of Wikistan, but where do we list all the corruption in French arms sales like this: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2011/06/mil-110610-cna02.htm Hcobb ( talk) 01:50, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Removed section about drugs. Can't believe it was there for years.
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It's stated what kind of relations France has with Germany, UK and even Spain is mentioned altought on a very common base, but with Italy. I think at least the article could have the same for Italy it has for Spain, but since this is poor too and Italy is a more important country, more important partner and economy to France, I think the article could talk more of Italy's case.
ACamposPinho 2:10, 26 November 2007
The Franco-Columbian Relations section direly needs to be updated in light of Ingrid Betancourt's rescue this summer. I'm not an expert on the issue, so if someone enlightened on the issue could update this section, that'd be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Icetitan17 ( talk • contribs) 04:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
IF YOU AE OK WE ARE OK CAN YOU LET THE SHP PASS AFTER DAYS
EMAD KALT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.137.200.5 ( talk) 19:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
It says, "In Southeast Asia, France was an architect of the Paris Peace Accords, which ended the conflict in Cambodia." Should that be Vietnam? St Anselm ( talk) 03:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
>> Africans closer to forming intervention force >> France - Africa's policeman? >> France: Out of Africa and back? ( Lihaas ( talk) 18:11, 7 December 2013 (UTC)).
The article is gotten too long, and I propose to spinoff the Historical sections to a new article. History of French foreign relations. Take a look at how it currently stands. It would include the current sections on 1-4 on 1 Second Empire: 1851-1871 2 Third Republic: 1871-1940 3 Vichy regime: 1940-44 and 4 Fourth Republic. Any comments? Rjensen ( talk) 13:12, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
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It's an out-of-date, one-source, highly speculative & subjective analysis, so is not adequate for any purpose on its own. So the whole "Future" section should be enhanced with other views, to provide the balance consistent with WP:NPOV, or simply deleted (thereby dumping Sophie Meunier's piece in the process).
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Am I the only one that thinks that the section on the Middle East is overly long compared to the other sections, and exhbibits considerable bias? David.Monniaux
I agree that it is overly long and I think many Haitians would be offended by the statement that France tried to reinstall democracy in Haiti. The Haitians I know claim that French and US forces hijacked Aristide and hand the power to members of the former dictatorial regime. Get-back-world-respect 01:27, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
De Gaulle launched the immense shift in policy from one favouring Israel to one favouring the Arab states for a combination of reasons. It was becoming obvious that the strengthening alliance between the United States and Israel would soon make France's role as an ally mostly irrelevant. The US could always provide Israel with more money and with higher levels of military technology. For France to play an important role in the region it seemed supporting the Arab side would give it more leverage in the future. Trade considerations also came into play.
Isn't that speculation as to De Gaulle's motives and intentions? Is there documentation for this?
Nasser and de Gaulle, who shared many similarities, – as in? Same politics (Nasser was a Socialist, de Gaulle was certainly not one)?
The United States, the United Kingdom and West Germany all sold far more to the Middle East each year than France, and none of these states pursued as strong a pro-Arab policy as did the French. Quite the opposite was true of the United States and Britain which firmly backed Israel and were opposed to many of the governments in the region, especially Nasser's Egypt. The Arab states would almost always prefer the cheaper goods from an anti-Arab nation than more expensive ones from a pro-Arab state such as France. France was not as successful economically as Britain, Germany, or the United States and no amount of positive relations with the Arab world could overcome the greater costs of French goods. Any evidence that French goods were substantially more expensive than British goods?
The last part of the article sounds like an editorial piece written from the point of view that the French government is stupid to have pursued a policy that did not gain it anything, except terrorism and US and Israeli hostility. This may be true; yet, Wikipedia is not the place to write essays as to what kind of foreign policy such and such country should have followed 30 years ago. We should give the facts, with correct perspective. David.Monniaux 13:29, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Sure that's nice but really who cares?
Please refrain from POV such as "France was found guilty of corruption". A country cannot be corrupt, people can. The scandal referred to included many politicians and firms from many countries, also from North America. Añoranza 15:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I know it's going to double the size of Wikistan, but where do we list all the corruption in French arms sales like this: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2011/06/mil-110610-cna02.htm Hcobb ( talk) 01:50, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Removed section about drugs. Can't believe it was there for years.
This article needs additional citations for
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-- Akral 09:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
It's stated what kind of relations France has with Germany, UK and even Spain is mentioned altought on a very common base, but with Italy. I think at least the article could have the same for Italy it has for Spain, but since this is poor too and Italy is a more important country, more important partner and economy to France, I think the article could talk more of Italy's case.
ACamposPinho 2:10, 26 November 2007
The Franco-Columbian Relations section direly needs to be updated in light of Ingrid Betancourt's rescue this summer. I'm not an expert on the issue, so if someone enlightened on the issue could update this section, that'd be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Icetitan17 ( talk • contribs) 04:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
IF YOU AE OK WE ARE OK CAN YOU LET THE SHP PASS AFTER DAYS
EMAD KALT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.137.200.5 ( talk) 19:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
It says, "In Southeast Asia, France was an architect of the Paris Peace Accords, which ended the conflict in Cambodia." Should that be Vietnam? St Anselm ( talk) 03:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
>> Africans closer to forming intervention force >> France - Africa's policeman? >> France: Out of Africa and back? ( Lihaas ( talk) 18:11, 7 December 2013 (UTC)).
The article is gotten too long, and I propose to spinoff the Historical sections to a new article. History of French foreign relations. Take a look at how it currently stands. It would include the current sections on 1-4 on 1 Second Empire: 1851-1871 2 Third Republic: 1871-1940 3 Vichy regime: 1940-44 and 4 Fourth Republic. Any comments? Rjensen ( talk) 13:12, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
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Who the hell is writing these articles? No other "Foreign relations of...." displays such ridiculous biais ( Jules Agathias ( talk) 16:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC))
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In the section: /* Emmanuel Macron, 2017–present */ I extracted the highly speculative Sophie Meunier and obsolete excerpt (which is so lengthy that it may violate copyright), and moved it to a new subsequent section ("Future").
I did so because her piece provides virtually no documentable information about the foreign policy of Macron, specifically -- so does NOT belong in this section.
It's an out-of-date, one-source, highly speculative & subjective analysis, so is not adequate for any purpose on its own. So the whole "Future" section should be enhanced with other views, to provide the balance consistent with WP:NPOV, or simply deleted (thereby dumping Sophie Meunier's piece in the process).