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What if this is the proof of that we actually have several lifes, and that you are getting the accent of a former self? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.255.133.48 ( talk) 15:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Im not sure but i think Sting suffered from this condition when he was a singer in The Police, he's from Newcastle but often sang with a Jamaican-esque accent like "Roxanne, you don' have to turn on de red light" but other times he would sing with his native accent, like "Message in a Bottle" no
Can't find any reference to it, but in a recent TV item an American sufferer spoke with an "English" accent which sounded like Dick Van Dyke in "Mary Poppins", i.e. it was a pretty poor attempt at an English accent. Presumably the quality of the "foreign" accent depends upon the skills of the sufferer. That is not to say it is deliberately faked - but certainly it is not a "genuine" foreign accent. Anjouli 17:36, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Surely it just sounds like one. It's an phonetic impairment (caused by brain damage) which makes the speaker sound foreign. Secretlondon 17:38, Dec 6, 2003 (UTC)
A PubMed search for "Foreign accent syndrome" certainly points in the direction of this being physical, rather than psychological, in nature. -- Anon.
This is the most recently reported case ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3235934.stm ) I think it was also reported on the front page of The Daily Telegraph. Mintguy 17:49, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I don't think this is really treated as a syndrome. From what I've learned on the topic, people sometimes develop speech problems as a result of brain injuries. Some of them happen to end up sounding like a foreign accent. That doesn't mean, though, that it is necessarily a syndrome; it's more of a coincidence. WoodenTaco 02:21, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
On the Discovery Channel, on a program called "Medical Incredible", it was said that there had been only 20 reported cases since 1919. -- Guthrie
I have foreign accent syndrome. It developed out of my illness. I have a very rare condition called PANDAS SYNDROME IN ADULTS. Basically I got a streptococchal (strep) throat infection which created antibodies to kill off the strep throat but instead of dying they carried on to my brain and damaged the basal ganglia. This is the part of brain that sorts out the movement and speech. I have to disagree with any of the people who say it is made up, mine certainly was not. When I was first in hospital undiagnosed I had three phases. 1st a very slow speech, 2nd normal speech, 3rd very fast repetitive speech e.g I I I dont dont dont know know know. I was given Trihexyphenidyl. Within 4-5 weeks my very slow accent got quicker. It sounded like a South Wales chapel preacher. My fast accent got slower down to 2 repeats. I I dont dont know know. Then it all merged into one. It was English with "a" at the end of every word. e.g. Ia donta knowa. I went to a speech therapist and she said i had a half french and half italian accent. She helped me by removing the "a" from the end of every word, I could not say lettuce or surface I spoke them how they sounded.----
For those unbelievers out there; FAS is actually a syndrome, not a fad designed to look cool. It just happens that in the case of Cindy Lou Romberg, her new accent sounds unusual, funny, and quirky. The former is a case of a physical and chemical change in the body; the latter is a case of sociology and social constructs. rock8591 08:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8591 ( talk • contribs)
This July 3 "Evening Chronicle" article includes the paragraph about the Norwegian woman, word for word. And the article was last edited in April. Hmm. Sandstein 17:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Here is an artcile from the BBC's website from 2002 that would seem to have been at least partially plagiarised for the Wikipedia entry.
From the BBC page: 'To add insult to injury, some doctors dismissed the problem as more likely to be psychiatric in origin than physical.
Dr Jennfier Gurd, who led the research with phonetician Dr John Coleman, said: "The way we speak is an important part of our personality and influences the way people interact with us.
"It is understandably quite traumatic for patients to find that their accent has changed."
Dr Coleman told BBC News Online: "There is a good likelihood in time you are going to improve and become more like you used to be."'
Compared to the (later) Wikipedia entry: 'Usually, it is very traumatic for stroke patients to find that their accent has unexpectedly changed, usually adding insult to the previous, severe brain injury. Furthermore, many physicians have dismissed foreign accent syndrome, calling it psychological.'
'Dr. Jennifer Gurd and Dr. John Coleman, the latter a phonetician, have studied patients of this condition, and have found that the great majority are severely traumatized. However, Coleman believes that in time, patients may improve, regaining their former speaking abilities.'
I believe Cindy Lou Romberg was featured in a brief story on CNN recently. Another problem she had was what she called something like "speaking in a language no one can identify". She basically was attempting to speak English and believed the sounds she was making were separate words, but it was coming out as strings of nonsense syllables. I think she said this was involuntary, but I'm not sure. I don't know what this would be called medically or how to describe it in the article itself. Atherva ( talk) 07:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Since the condition shows up after a physical trauma, often a head injury, probably with a period of unconsciousness, an explanation would - if you can fit it in your belief system ... - be that such a person is a "walk in". What is that? See http://www.christian-reincarnation.com/WalkInE.htm for an explanation. Or how else would you explain that the person can in certain cases even speak words or sentences in a language he or she hasn’t learned (xenoglossy)? Any other "natural" explanation will be a lot more far fetched than this one! But you would have to admit that the human being has a soul that survives the death of the body. Signed: Jan Erik Sigdell (see the stated website) Nov. 19, 2008, UTC 13:55
There was an incident involving an American television news reporter called Serene Branson - she was providing an on-the-spot report on the Grammys for her TV station - the moment she started to speak, she suddenly spouted a lot of incomprehensible gibberish.
Here is the video:
News Reporter Has A Stroke On Air
It's actually called an "Aura Migraine", what she suffered - apparently, it only affects women!
Arthurvasey ( talk) 22:30, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
After a stroke, her normal Geordie accent was transformed and has been variously described as resembling a Jamaican, as well as a French Canadian, Italian and a Slovak accent.
When you click on French Canadian, it brings you to Canada instead of where it properly belongs, Quebec. Good one fellas. (Vive le Quebec Libre!) KiNgFrOmHeLl ( talk) 23:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey guys, I am surprised no one has mentioned the possibility of people faking it for publicity... I mean, the article is talking about these people becoming famous and skipping from talk show to talk show...
I mean, sure, it seems plausible that brain damage can alter how you speak, given that all we are is a complex set of connections in our brains, but some of this is ridiculous. I mean, seriously, I can't count the times the news has interviewed "psychics" "people who say the got a message from god" "people who claim to cure disease" I mean, there are tons of articles all over where people get exposed for faking that kind of stuff, and this has got to be even easier to fake... Done rambling now, but to put it succinctly, 1. This seems an easy disorder to fake/exaggerate 2. It seems some of these people are going out of their way to get as much publicity as possible from this... Connect the dots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.132.147 ( talk) 21:11, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I met the nicest lady in her late 50s to mid 60s who has this condition. She was bit by a spider. The venom reached her brain and the only side effect is her distorted accent. Sounds German or Slovikian. I would have not believed it accept she had to get her husband to explain what happened and the condition she has. She's not been on any talk shows she just does organic gardening at home. If there's money to be made she's missing out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.46.196.38 ( talk) 19:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
No mention of treatment in the article.
www.ehow.com * states:
"Individuals with Foreign Accent Syndrome usually respond well to treatment."
—DIV (
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I am a sufferer of FAS and would like to clarify a few points that people generally misinterpret when discussing or talking about this condition. FAS is a speech disorder in which others interpret the speech as a foreign accent when actually it is a dysfunction with the prosody, the rhythm, stress, and intonation of speech. The name of the condition is really a misnomer because people who suffer from this do not actually acquire a foreign accent. People with FAS do not wake up one day with the lingo and other generalized phrases of another region nor do they suddenly start writing in the variation of a particular language (i.e. American English vs. British English spellings). We may however miss words/letters, repeat words, add letters to words (such as ending words in a 's' sound when there isn't normally one there), have trouble finding the appropriate word that we are trying to use and the like. There are also many causes including differing forms of brain trauma. A few people, like me, have developed the 'accent' after severe, prolonged bouts of Sporadic Hemiplegic Migraines (see: Familial hemiplegic migraine).
The most important thing for people to remember is that this is not a true accent but a disorder in the way the words are formed, syllables are pronounced etc. so that the speech itself really cannot necessary be identified as an actual known accent. By this I mean that there may be times that a person with FAS 'sounds' British to the untrained ear but may actually pronounce various syllables in a manner that may match a combination of sounds associated with British, Australian and Irish accents. The quality of the speech may also change for many of us dependent on our fatigue levels, how we are trying to stress words, volume and other factors. It is a complicated and very frustrating condition to have not only because so few people are aware that it exists but also because of the loss of a very real part of our personalty.
Many people have implied that people with this condition are 'faking it' for the publicity or some other crazy reason. Please understand that this is not a condition you would want to have. The first year after my speech 'changed' I spent my time going to speech therapy and trying to get my own family to understand what I was saying. Many times during that period I would have to actually write out what I wanted to say or send emails across the room because my speech was so slurred and difficult to understand. Even two and a half years later I still have to repeat myself frequently, even with close friends and family, and have even had occasions where I have had to have a family member that is around me often explain to others what I am saying. Due to fears of foreigners that some Americans have, I have even been verbally accosted in public because people automatically think that I am foreign. I did not ask for this to happen and have enough struggles in my life without being further abused by people who choose to side on ignorance rather than education. But because of the trials I have had I am currently working on efforts to inform both the general public and medical community that this and other rare disorders do exist in the hope that others may receive better diagnosis and treatment for their conditions and not have to suffer the challenges that I have had to face. Juliekfrazier ( talk) 06:14, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I think that this article so far seems very misleading. I particularly dislike that specific accents are assigned to the sufferers of the syndrome in the list format at the end. Given that no one is really picking up another foreign accent (just having some changes in their accessible phonemes, prosody, etc, as Juliekfrazier mentioned above), it seems non-encyclopedic to give a list of what accent it "sounds like" they have, which is hugely subjective. I imagine people will be curious, but it might be worth while to either try to re-emphasize that these are not real accents or at least reword the sentences that make it seem like they are accents. Example:
Could be re-worded as:
(New details taken from the sources). Doing so may be a bit wordier, but it is certainly more accurate, and less likely to give a faulty impression to the reader of what FAS is actually like. 0x0077BE ( talk) 00:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
This article is increasingly just becoming a list of people who have claimed in the popular media to have foreign accent syndrome. Most of the synopses are decidedly misleading or parroted from popular articles in direct contradiction to the more scientific parts of the article. I recommend that the list part of this article be purged. If someone wants to turn it into a little paragraph about how FAS is often reported in the media that seems like it could be done OK. 0x0077BE ( talk) 18:46, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm not saying this article is trivia. I'm saying an article listing everyone who has experienced this disease would be trivial. JoelWhy?( talk) 20:03, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The list of foreign accent syndrome cases in this article has grown over time - what should be done with it going forward? Options currently under consideration are listed below:
I think that seeing some of the responses to the survey, I'd like to make a comment about the list sourcing. For those in favor of keeping the list but "improving the sources", what exactly does that mean? From what I can see every item in the list has several sources. Does improving the sources mean keeping it to case studies mentioned in academic literature? Does a CNN fluff piece about someone who talks with a different accent now count but a similar article in the Daily Mail or New York Post not count? It seems to me that the fact that these are real cases is not at issue, and the sourcing is adequate. My two biggest concerns is that the sources almost uniformly will try to identify what kind of accent the person is talking with, which is an exercise in pareidolia and does not belong in this article. I'm not even comfortable with including, "People say that it sounded like a <blank> accent", as this gives the false impression that foreign accent syndrome results in someone going from talking like Kevin Bacon to talking like Pierce Brosnan overnight (which is not how it works).
Given the emphasis on sources, it seems to me like those in favor of removal and those opposed are not quite on the same page about what the problem is. In my opinion, the problem has nothing to do with sourcing, but the fact that this article should not be used as a repository for all news articles about foreign accent syndrome. I am of the opinion that it is not that these cases have not been adequately documented, but that they are simply not notable, nor is it relevant to the subject of the article, which is about the syndrome itself, not about the people who have it. Even if we had medical case studies listing every one of these patients in detail (the best source I can imagine for something like this), I still don't think it would be relevant for this article. My question to the "keep" supporters is: why do you think the sourcing is the problem, and under what theory do you propose that this list is notable? 0x0077BE ( talk) 17:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
On another note, I created a preliminary version of this article without the list in my namespace, retaining most of the sources and grouping the list into a paragraph on "Media coverage", as that seems to be the primary notable attribute of the list items: User:0x0077BE/Foreign_accent_syndrome 0x0077BE ( talk) 18:20, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
OK, it's been about a week, I'm thinking that the consensus is going towards removal of the list. I'll touch up the version in my userspace and unless there's a big swell against merge it into the article in the next few days. 0x0077BE ( talk) 19:41, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
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'60 Minutes Australia' ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLxhSu3UuU4) features the topic. Kdammers ( talk) 03:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
If anyone ever needs information from an actual sufferer of the disorder or how it effects general life and well being, or the social ramifications of having a non-standard dialect, feel free to ask me. Lifelong sufferer. Live in TN but instead of a Mid-Land Southern(Country) accent.
I have a non-rhotic variety of a Southern accent with a few minor AAVE features, such as th-stopping. Strangest feature is I have the extinct coil-curl merger. This collides with how
my realization of /aɪəɹ/ as [äːɻ], so that 'fire' has merged with the sound of 'far', as well as 'tire' with 'tar'; I cannot pronouce "first" or "nurse" it morphs to "farrst" and "narse" SouthernGentleman00 ( talk) 05:44, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
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What if this is the proof of that we actually have several lifes, and that you are getting the accent of a former self? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.255.133.48 ( talk) 15:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Im not sure but i think Sting suffered from this condition when he was a singer in The Police, he's from Newcastle but often sang with a Jamaican-esque accent like "Roxanne, you don' have to turn on de red light" but other times he would sing with his native accent, like "Message in a Bottle" no
Can't find any reference to it, but in a recent TV item an American sufferer spoke with an "English" accent which sounded like Dick Van Dyke in "Mary Poppins", i.e. it was a pretty poor attempt at an English accent. Presumably the quality of the "foreign" accent depends upon the skills of the sufferer. That is not to say it is deliberately faked - but certainly it is not a "genuine" foreign accent. Anjouli 17:36, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Surely it just sounds like one. It's an phonetic impairment (caused by brain damage) which makes the speaker sound foreign. Secretlondon 17:38, Dec 6, 2003 (UTC)
A PubMed search for "Foreign accent syndrome" certainly points in the direction of this being physical, rather than psychological, in nature. -- Anon.
This is the most recently reported case ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3235934.stm ) I think it was also reported on the front page of The Daily Telegraph. Mintguy 17:49, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I don't think this is really treated as a syndrome. From what I've learned on the topic, people sometimes develop speech problems as a result of brain injuries. Some of them happen to end up sounding like a foreign accent. That doesn't mean, though, that it is necessarily a syndrome; it's more of a coincidence. WoodenTaco 02:21, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
On the Discovery Channel, on a program called "Medical Incredible", it was said that there had been only 20 reported cases since 1919. -- Guthrie
I have foreign accent syndrome. It developed out of my illness. I have a very rare condition called PANDAS SYNDROME IN ADULTS. Basically I got a streptococchal (strep) throat infection which created antibodies to kill off the strep throat but instead of dying they carried on to my brain and damaged the basal ganglia. This is the part of brain that sorts out the movement and speech. I have to disagree with any of the people who say it is made up, mine certainly was not. When I was first in hospital undiagnosed I had three phases. 1st a very slow speech, 2nd normal speech, 3rd very fast repetitive speech e.g I I I dont dont dont know know know. I was given Trihexyphenidyl. Within 4-5 weeks my very slow accent got quicker. It sounded like a South Wales chapel preacher. My fast accent got slower down to 2 repeats. I I dont dont know know. Then it all merged into one. It was English with "a" at the end of every word. e.g. Ia donta knowa. I went to a speech therapist and she said i had a half french and half italian accent. She helped me by removing the "a" from the end of every word, I could not say lettuce or surface I spoke them how they sounded.----
For those unbelievers out there; FAS is actually a syndrome, not a fad designed to look cool. It just happens that in the case of Cindy Lou Romberg, her new accent sounds unusual, funny, and quirky. The former is a case of a physical and chemical change in the body; the latter is a case of sociology and social constructs. rock8591 08:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8591 ( talk • contribs)
This July 3 "Evening Chronicle" article includes the paragraph about the Norwegian woman, word for word. And the article was last edited in April. Hmm. Sandstein 17:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Here is an artcile from the BBC's website from 2002 that would seem to have been at least partially plagiarised for the Wikipedia entry.
From the BBC page: 'To add insult to injury, some doctors dismissed the problem as more likely to be psychiatric in origin than physical.
Dr Jennfier Gurd, who led the research with phonetician Dr John Coleman, said: "The way we speak is an important part of our personality and influences the way people interact with us.
"It is understandably quite traumatic for patients to find that their accent has changed."
Dr Coleman told BBC News Online: "There is a good likelihood in time you are going to improve and become more like you used to be."'
Compared to the (later) Wikipedia entry: 'Usually, it is very traumatic for stroke patients to find that their accent has unexpectedly changed, usually adding insult to the previous, severe brain injury. Furthermore, many physicians have dismissed foreign accent syndrome, calling it psychological.'
'Dr. Jennifer Gurd and Dr. John Coleman, the latter a phonetician, have studied patients of this condition, and have found that the great majority are severely traumatized. However, Coleman believes that in time, patients may improve, regaining their former speaking abilities.'
I believe Cindy Lou Romberg was featured in a brief story on CNN recently. Another problem she had was what she called something like "speaking in a language no one can identify". She basically was attempting to speak English and believed the sounds she was making were separate words, but it was coming out as strings of nonsense syllables. I think she said this was involuntary, but I'm not sure. I don't know what this would be called medically or how to describe it in the article itself. Atherva ( talk) 07:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Since the condition shows up after a physical trauma, often a head injury, probably with a period of unconsciousness, an explanation would - if you can fit it in your belief system ... - be that such a person is a "walk in". What is that? See http://www.christian-reincarnation.com/WalkInE.htm for an explanation. Or how else would you explain that the person can in certain cases even speak words or sentences in a language he or she hasn’t learned (xenoglossy)? Any other "natural" explanation will be a lot more far fetched than this one! But you would have to admit that the human being has a soul that survives the death of the body. Signed: Jan Erik Sigdell (see the stated website) Nov. 19, 2008, UTC 13:55
There was an incident involving an American television news reporter called Serene Branson - she was providing an on-the-spot report on the Grammys for her TV station - the moment she started to speak, she suddenly spouted a lot of incomprehensible gibberish.
Here is the video:
News Reporter Has A Stroke On Air
It's actually called an "Aura Migraine", what she suffered - apparently, it only affects women!
Arthurvasey ( talk) 22:30, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
After a stroke, her normal Geordie accent was transformed and has been variously described as resembling a Jamaican, as well as a French Canadian, Italian and a Slovak accent.
When you click on French Canadian, it brings you to Canada instead of where it properly belongs, Quebec. Good one fellas. (Vive le Quebec Libre!) KiNgFrOmHeLl ( talk) 23:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey guys, I am surprised no one has mentioned the possibility of people faking it for publicity... I mean, the article is talking about these people becoming famous and skipping from talk show to talk show...
I mean, sure, it seems plausible that brain damage can alter how you speak, given that all we are is a complex set of connections in our brains, but some of this is ridiculous. I mean, seriously, I can't count the times the news has interviewed "psychics" "people who say the got a message from god" "people who claim to cure disease" I mean, there are tons of articles all over where people get exposed for faking that kind of stuff, and this has got to be even easier to fake... Done rambling now, but to put it succinctly, 1. This seems an easy disorder to fake/exaggerate 2. It seems some of these people are going out of their way to get as much publicity as possible from this... Connect the dots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.132.147 ( talk) 21:11, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I met the nicest lady in her late 50s to mid 60s who has this condition. She was bit by a spider. The venom reached her brain and the only side effect is her distorted accent. Sounds German or Slovikian. I would have not believed it accept she had to get her husband to explain what happened and the condition she has. She's not been on any talk shows she just does organic gardening at home. If there's money to be made she's missing out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.46.196.38 ( talk) 19:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
No mention of treatment in the article.
www.ehow.com * states:
"Individuals with Foreign Accent Syndrome usually respond well to treatment."
—DIV (
138.194.12.32 (
talk)
03:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC))
* Note: website blocked on Wikipedia, please correct URL manually.
I am a sufferer of FAS and would like to clarify a few points that people generally misinterpret when discussing or talking about this condition. FAS is a speech disorder in which others interpret the speech as a foreign accent when actually it is a dysfunction with the prosody, the rhythm, stress, and intonation of speech. The name of the condition is really a misnomer because people who suffer from this do not actually acquire a foreign accent. People with FAS do not wake up one day with the lingo and other generalized phrases of another region nor do they suddenly start writing in the variation of a particular language (i.e. American English vs. British English spellings). We may however miss words/letters, repeat words, add letters to words (such as ending words in a 's' sound when there isn't normally one there), have trouble finding the appropriate word that we are trying to use and the like. There are also many causes including differing forms of brain trauma. A few people, like me, have developed the 'accent' after severe, prolonged bouts of Sporadic Hemiplegic Migraines (see: Familial hemiplegic migraine).
The most important thing for people to remember is that this is not a true accent but a disorder in the way the words are formed, syllables are pronounced etc. so that the speech itself really cannot necessary be identified as an actual known accent. By this I mean that there may be times that a person with FAS 'sounds' British to the untrained ear but may actually pronounce various syllables in a manner that may match a combination of sounds associated with British, Australian and Irish accents. The quality of the speech may also change for many of us dependent on our fatigue levels, how we are trying to stress words, volume and other factors. It is a complicated and very frustrating condition to have not only because so few people are aware that it exists but also because of the loss of a very real part of our personalty.
Many people have implied that people with this condition are 'faking it' for the publicity or some other crazy reason. Please understand that this is not a condition you would want to have. The first year after my speech 'changed' I spent my time going to speech therapy and trying to get my own family to understand what I was saying. Many times during that period I would have to actually write out what I wanted to say or send emails across the room because my speech was so slurred and difficult to understand. Even two and a half years later I still have to repeat myself frequently, even with close friends and family, and have even had occasions where I have had to have a family member that is around me often explain to others what I am saying. Due to fears of foreigners that some Americans have, I have even been verbally accosted in public because people automatically think that I am foreign. I did not ask for this to happen and have enough struggles in my life without being further abused by people who choose to side on ignorance rather than education. But because of the trials I have had I am currently working on efforts to inform both the general public and medical community that this and other rare disorders do exist in the hope that others may receive better diagnosis and treatment for their conditions and not have to suffer the challenges that I have had to face. Juliekfrazier ( talk) 06:14, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I think that this article so far seems very misleading. I particularly dislike that specific accents are assigned to the sufferers of the syndrome in the list format at the end. Given that no one is really picking up another foreign accent (just having some changes in their accessible phonemes, prosody, etc, as Juliekfrazier mentioned above), it seems non-encyclopedic to give a list of what accent it "sounds like" they have, which is hugely subjective. I imagine people will be curious, but it might be worth while to either try to re-emphasize that these are not real accents or at least reword the sentences that make it seem like they are accents. Example:
Could be re-worded as:
(New details taken from the sources). Doing so may be a bit wordier, but it is certainly more accurate, and less likely to give a faulty impression to the reader of what FAS is actually like. 0x0077BE ( talk) 00:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
This article is increasingly just becoming a list of people who have claimed in the popular media to have foreign accent syndrome. Most of the synopses are decidedly misleading or parroted from popular articles in direct contradiction to the more scientific parts of the article. I recommend that the list part of this article be purged. If someone wants to turn it into a little paragraph about how FAS is often reported in the media that seems like it could be done OK. 0x0077BE ( talk) 18:46, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm not saying this article is trivia. I'm saying an article listing everyone who has experienced this disease would be trivial. JoelWhy?( talk) 20:03, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
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The list of foreign accent syndrome cases in this article has grown over time - what should be done with it going forward? Options currently under consideration are listed below:
I think that seeing some of the responses to the survey, I'd like to make a comment about the list sourcing. For those in favor of keeping the list but "improving the sources", what exactly does that mean? From what I can see every item in the list has several sources. Does improving the sources mean keeping it to case studies mentioned in academic literature? Does a CNN fluff piece about someone who talks with a different accent now count but a similar article in the Daily Mail or New York Post not count? It seems to me that the fact that these are real cases is not at issue, and the sourcing is adequate. My two biggest concerns is that the sources almost uniformly will try to identify what kind of accent the person is talking with, which is an exercise in pareidolia and does not belong in this article. I'm not even comfortable with including, "People say that it sounded like a <blank> accent", as this gives the false impression that foreign accent syndrome results in someone going from talking like Kevin Bacon to talking like Pierce Brosnan overnight (which is not how it works).
Given the emphasis on sources, it seems to me like those in favor of removal and those opposed are not quite on the same page about what the problem is. In my opinion, the problem has nothing to do with sourcing, but the fact that this article should not be used as a repository for all news articles about foreign accent syndrome. I am of the opinion that it is not that these cases have not been adequately documented, but that they are simply not notable, nor is it relevant to the subject of the article, which is about the syndrome itself, not about the people who have it. Even if we had medical case studies listing every one of these patients in detail (the best source I can imagine for something like this), I still don't think it would be relevant for this article. My question to the "keep" supporters is: why do you think the sourcing is the problem, and under what theory do you propose that this list is notable? 0x0077BE ( talk) 17:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
On another note, I created a preliminary version of this article without the list in my namespace, retaining most of the sources and grouping the list into a paragraph on "Media coverage", as that seems to be the primary notable attribute of the list items: User:0x0077BE/Foreign_accent_syndrome 0x0077BE ( talk) 18:20, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
OK, it's been about a week, I'm thinking that the consensus is going towards removal of the list. I'll touch up the version in my userspace and unless there's a big swell against merge it into the article in the next few days. 0x0077BE ( talk) 19:41, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
One if the references: http://www.healthmango.com/healthgeneral/foreign-accent-syndrome-what-is-it-and-most-notable-cases/ is reported to be a dangerous site by Mozilla Firefox. 89.138.15.255 ( talk) 13:47, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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'60 Minutes Australia' ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLxhSu3UuU4) features the topic. Kdammers ( talk) 03:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
If anyone ever needs information from an actual sufferer of the disorder or how it effects general life and well being, or the social ramifications of having a non-standard dialect, feel free to ask me. Lifelong sufferer. Live in TN but instead of a Mid-Land Southern(Country) accent.
I have a non-rhotic variety of a Southern accent with a few minor AAVE features, such as th-stopping. Strangest feature is I have the extinct coil-curl merger. This collides with how
my realization of /aɪəɹ/ as [äːɻ], so that 'fire' has merged with the sound of 'far', as well as 'tire' with 'tar'; I cannot pronouce "first" or "nurse" it morphs to "farrst" and "narse" SouthernGentleman00 ( talk) 05:44, 25 June 2021 (UTC)