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In the United States (where there are more people who speak English as a first language than anywhere else),[1][2][3]
This in no way requires 3 citations. Somatosis ( talk) 03:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I've deleted the last three paragraphs of the intro, as IMO they served no purpose other than to stoke these ridiculous UK/US flame wars about the "correct" shortened name for association football. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.113.57.167 ( talk) 14:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible that this is the American origin of the word?: http://9gag.com/gag/a2N4nZY — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metarob ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
This version of the article says: "Australian Rules football and American football are neither played nor watched within the United Kingdom or in any European country."
This sentence appears to be entirely false:
-- Jtir ( talk) 20:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I've lived in Ireland for thirty-five years and could count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've heard someone talk abour Soccer. In both Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic when 99% of the population say football they mean Association Football. When talking about Gaelic Football they say GAA, Gaelic or All Ireland Football. It is often stated that GAA is more popular in Ireland than Soccer due to the comparison in attendances at games on the island but this is misleading as the vast majority of soccer fans in Ireland attend games at and are supporters of British clubs. In every instance where I have heard the phrase said "did you see the football last night" in Ireland, the conversation has been about Association Football and never has the perseon asking the question had to qualify the statement to avoid confusion. For this reason I propose Ireland be removed from the list of regions where it is suggested in this article that Football does not mean Association Football. Captainbeecher ( talk) 23:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I removed rugby league from the Irish section because there is next to no league in Ireland, and as such, no evidence has been given that the word football is ever used to describe league.
This removal was reverted by Mattdocbrown with a source of Rugby League Ireland and the comment of "didn't mean to delete rugbyfootball though"
There are also similar numbers of Irish American Football teams and eight in the Australian Rules Football of Ireland. if Rugby League why not AFI and ARFI? These numbers are just so small that to include them in this article is misleading. -- PBS ( talk) 11:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
The assertion that 'The word "soccer" was in fact the most common way of referring to association football in the UK until around the 1970s, ...' appears to be wildly incorrect. I can find no-one amongst my friends and acquaintances who had heard the word until the first English football players went to play in the USA. I have been unable to find any references whatsoever to the word in several hundred old game programmes, newspapers, football annuals, or football magazines from the 1950s or 1960s. I'd be intrigued to know on what basis the assertion is made. DickyP ( talk) 15:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
There is an editor who is incorrectly editing the section , I read it misunderstood what was meant edited (incorrectly in some parts) , the editor reverted without disambiguating , while claiming that was done . I have now drawn their attention to WP:IMOS , I am reverting the edits with a note here .
I have now edited correctly the parts to do with Ireland removing the edits on Republic of Ireland and the Hull reference from Northern Ireland .PS I noticed that the last time I edited but I had an idea if the editor is editing for correctness with Ireland they would change it WP:AGF but if they were POV editing they would only edit the section I had just done. QED . Murry1975 ( talk) 12:40, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
has anybody some info about the italian word for soccer? (calcio) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paranoid Android1208 ( talk • contribs) 10:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
The etymology section seems to be loaded with WP:OR. This paragraph in particular stands out:
"In 1363, King Edward III of England issued a proclamation banning "...handball, football, or hockey; coursing and cock-fighting, or other such idle games",[5] showing that "football" was being differentiated from games as they involved other parts of the body, such as handball, not simply because it was played on foot."
Does anyone have access to the reference "Derek Baker (England in the Later Middle Ages). 1995. Boydell & Brewer. p. 187" to see if they are actually discussing the etymology/usage of the word 'football' or just commenting on a specific proclamation? Glaucus ( talk) 22:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
As Melburnian now living in Canberra (with many friends from both Sydney and Brisbane) I can confirm that people in Sydney do not refer to Rugby League as "football", rather the term "footy" is used.
In Canberra, the term is much more ambiguous as "football" can mean Australian Rules, soccer or Rugby League depending on the context. Usually in Canberra, "football" means soccer though the terms used in Canberra the majority of the time are as follows: Football Association = "soccer"; Rugby Union = "Rugby" (or rarely "Union"); Rugby League = "League" (or rarely "footy"); and Australian Rules Football = "AFL".
Recognising that sports may engender feelings of passion, desire and attachment in a quasi-religious fashion, I'd like to steer - as gently as I can - discussion here away from any personal opinions or points of view and toward examination of reliable sources to inform our readership. Are there any more to be found? So far the easiest and most visible sources are showing that "Football" in Australia means the same thing as in most of the rest of the world, and "Soccer" is fading from view. I'd like to hear from other editors before I change the article. -- Pete ( talk) 18:27, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
This whole discussion is pointless. Please keep it in one place at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). HiLo48 ( talk) 11:13, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
HiLo, regarding your addition of unsourced material, previously noted as unsourced. Content in Wikipedia must be cited to reliable sources. I have again removed it. Feel free to add it when you have a reliable, independent source. Thanks for your advice on this. -- Pete ( talk) 09:50, 1 December 2014 (UTC) I'd be interested in an explanation for your edit summary, which reads in part, Reverted bad faith edit.. A cn tag may have been more diplomatic. You have been following this for the nine days since I actually inserted the "citation needed" tags you now call for! How is this bad faith? I looked at the sources - most of which are dead links - none of them supporting the statements claimed in any case, put in the cite needed tags, and when after a week no sources had been found, removed the offending material. There's a further dead link to remedy, and I am hoping that someone can find it, and the sole actual checkable source remaining is a 2008 American source which is very general in nature. WP:RS is a fundamental plank in our encyclopaedia - you understand this well enough, given that you advised a new editor of this fact only a few hours ago. I'll accept that you hadn't fully understood the situation, but if you keep on inserting unsourced material that has been challenged, I'm going to have to press you for an explanation couched in wikipolicy terms rather than personal abuse. Over to you. -- Pete ( talk) 11:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
user:Skyring please read WP:BRD you make a bold edit it is reverted. You initiate a discussion to see if there is a consensus for change. Reverting a revert of a bold edit made by you is edit warring double so if you revert two people.
You claim "contemporary usage as evolved in recent years" you need a source to support that claim. The current source you are using to support your claim is http://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-americans-call-it-soccer-2014-6 and it says:
-- PBS ( talk) 15:30, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Hum you signature is confusing I had not appreciated that you had started this section when I read it.
When you made this revert to my revert your change included the start of a sentence "Australia-wide, soccer was commonly used to describe association football" which is a complete change from what was there before, but you supported that change with the source http://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-americans-call-it-soccer-2014-6 and it says:
So what is the source you are using for you claim that "soccer was commonly used to describe association football" (my bold emphasis on the word "was") and why did you not include it in you edit? -- PBS ( talk) 20:51, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
- Guardian Australia's sport editor Tom Lutz fired off a quick piece about his decision to label the section 'soccer', pointing out that it will "avoid confusion" with the other codes.
- It's a fair enough response, but it misunderstands the extent of the feeling for the word down under. Those are fighting words to the more radical followers of the round ball.
“Rugby football” became “ruggle” for short. “Association football” became “soccer.” After these two sports spread across the Atlantic, Americans and Australians invented their own variant of the game that they simply called “football” in the early 1900s.
User:Skyring you are cherry picking when you talk about businessinsider.com.au being "hardly an authoritative" as it makes a much clear statement than the Guardian piece. As to the Peter FitzSimons' quote it is written as a facetious piece to tease writes such as Joe Gorman (the author of the Guardian blog article) and those (it seems such as yourself) who prefer to call the dribbling game football rather than soccer (Gorman writes in his piece "Rugby man Peter FitzSimons has had plenty of fun over the years poking fun at football fans in Australia"). As you noted above at 01:47, 3 April 2015 Gorman's ending statement "Personally, I prefer 'football', but find myself using the 'soccer' ..." makes clear that Gorman is not disputing FitzSimons sarcastic publication, and that Alessandro Del Piero used the term soccer is a indication that he expected his audience to be using the same term. The original Peter FitzSimons' article can be found at: Peter FitzSimons. "Del Piero in need of football lesson". Sydney Morning Herald..
That the governing body of on type of football decided to change their name and launch a PR drive to have that branding used in Australia does not mean that they have been successful in changing common usage to date. It also does not mean that they will not be eventually successful. But what is the source that you are using to justify the change to "Australia-wide, soccer was commonly used to describe association football"?
-- PBS ( talk) 12:07, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
I did a google search of site:gov.au. Among other it returns these (in chronological publishing date order):
{{
cite web}}
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(
help) -- contrast usage with a 20011 report: Smith, Warwick (2011).
"Building Australia's Football Community - Australian Sports ." (PDF)."In each Australian state and territory the word football' has a different meaning. For those living in the Northern Territory, South Australia, Tasmania, Victoria and Western Australia, football usually refers to Australian Rules Football. In the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, and Queensland, it could mean rugby league or rugby union. The word 'soccer' equates to the game played by the Football Federation Australia for all of Australia."
Australians are enthusiastic about their sport and have a particular passion for football. Football (or footy as it is also known) in Australia can mean any one of four codes - Australian Rules football, Association Football (Soccer), Rugby League or Rugby Union. All four codes are team sports. .... Australia is home to four professional football codes: Australian Football League (AFL), Australian Rugby Union (ARU), National Rugby League (NRL), and Football Federation Australia (FFA). ... NRL is the Australian national competition for Rugby League and FFA is the governing body for soccer in Australia. New South Wales and Queensland have teams represented in all four codes. Tasmania and the Northern Territory are the only state and territory without a football team in any of the four competitions. The football code an Australian plays or follows is often dictated by where they live, their cultural heritage, or by the code they were taught at school Both Rugby Union and Rugby League are most popular in New South Wales and Queensland. Australian Rules football is the dominant form of football in Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia, Tasmania and the Northern Territory. Soccer is considered to be the most popular team sport in the world and is played in over 200 countries (Endnote 4).
I reckon that most of these documents are each composites put together by different people. I do like the comment in the document 3 December 2009 which was clearly written by a rugby league follower "Rugby League is played in more than 30 countries and is most prominent in Australia, England and New Zealand. Rugby Union is also popular in many countries including Australia, England, Wales and Japan" (not "popular in many more countries" nor any mention of South Africa or New Zealand!). -- PBS ( talk) 14:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Could someone please find a current Australian source for our statement that association football is usually called soccer in Australia? Please? The official name of the sport changed eleven years ago, so we need a current source (something within the last couple of years would be acceptable), and we need an Australian source, preferably from a sporting organisation or something to do with tracking language usage. Surely we can find something like this to stop me complaining about old and weak overseas sources? -- Pete ( talk) 22:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- In each Australian state and territory the word ‘football’ has a different meaning. For those living in the Northern Territory, South Australia, Tasmania, Victoria and Western Australia, football usually refers to Australian Rules Football. In the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, and Queensland, it could mean rugby league or rugby union. The word ‘soccer’ equates to the game played by the Football Federation Australia for all of Australia.
"However, as in Canada, "football" refers to soccer if the game is neither Canadian nor American in context." Does anyone have any idea what that is trying to say? -- Khajidha ( talk) 17:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, guys! I originally started this whole discussion 14 years ago when Wikipedia had only a few hundred regular contributors. I noticed that "football" meant soccer in British English but American football in American English. So I turned what was then a redirect into the Football page.
I still think that the term soccer deserves some mention. The delicious irony is that nearly everyone who plays soccer - particularly as a professional sport - calls it "football" (or "footie"). And of course, people who play "football" (er, I mean soccer) are typically called "footballers".
It is chiefly in America (er, I mean the USA) that the terms "soccer" and "soccer player" are used. Elsewhere - typically overseas and in Latin America, where the bulk of professional play carries on - the terms are "football" and "footballer".
I'd like to see this usage distinguised in the article - not to promote the American English usage, but rather to help my fellow Americans understand how people worldwide refer to the sports and their participants. Thank you for your time. --14:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed Poor ( talk • contribs) 14:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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I'm back after 7 years, and in fine fettle! This article clearly explains what a person means when they say " football". I'm interested in doing it the other way around.
When they're talking about a certain sport, what will they call it? That team sport with the round ball that players move primarily with their feet, what do they call it? And does it depend on where they are? Just because I'm in the United States, I might call it soccer, but people outside of North America (which is 99% of the world, I guess) call it "football".
We don't need an entire new article. I'm thinking about table, Put the sport in the first column, and what it's generally called in the second column. Or something like that. Good idea? -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 19:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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In the United States (where there are more people who speak English as a first language than anywhere else),[1][2][3]
This in no way requires 3 citations. Somatosis ( talk) 03:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I've deleted the last three paragraphs of the intro, as IMO they served no purpose other than to stoke these ridiculous UK/US flame wars about the "correct" shortened name for association football. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.113.57.167 ( talk) 14:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible that this is the American origin of the word?: http://9gag.com/gag/a2N4nZY — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metarob ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
This version of the article says: "Australian Rules football and American football are neither played nor watched within the United Kingdom or in any European country."
This sentence appears to be entirely false:
-- Jtir ( talk) 20:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I've lived in Ireland for thirty-five years and could count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've heard someone talk abour Soccer. In both Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic when 99% of the population say football they mean Association Football. When talking about Gaelic Football they say GAA, Gaelic or All Ireland Football. It is often stated that GAA is more popular in Ireland than Soccer due to the comparison in attendances at games on the island but this is misleading as the vast majority of soccer fans in Ireland attend games at and are supporters of British clubs. In every instance where I have heard the phrase said "did you see the football last night" in Ireland, the conversation has been about Association Football and never has the perseon asking the question had to qualify the statement to avoid confusion. For this reason I propose Ireland be removed from the list of regions where it is suggested in this article that Football does not mean Association Football. Captainbeecher ( talk) 23:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I removed rugby league from the Irish section because there is next to no league in Ireland, and as such, no evidence has been given that the word football is ever used to describe league.
This removal was reverted by Mattdocbrown with a source of Rugby League Ireland and the comment of "didn't mean to delete rugbyfootball though"
There are also similar numbers of Irish American Football teams and eight in the Australian Rules Football of Ireland. if Rugby League why not AFI and ARFI? These numbers are just so small that to include them in this article is misleading. -- PBS ( talk) 11:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
The assertion that 'The word "soccer" was in fact the most common way of referring to association football in the UK until around the 1970s, ...' appears to be wildly incorrect. I can find no-one amongst my friends and acquaintances who had heard the word until the first English football players went to play in the USA. I have been unable to find any references whatsoever to the word in several hundred old game programmes, newspapers, football annuals, or football magazines from the 1950s or 1960s. I'd be intrigued to know on what basis the assertion is made. DickyP ( talk) 15:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
There is an editor who is incorrectly editing the section , I read it misunderstood what was meant edited (incorrectly in some parts) , the editor reverted without disambiguating , while claiming that was done . I have now drawn their attention to WP:IMOS , I am reverting the edits with a note here .
I have now edited correctly the parts to do with Ireland removing the edits on Republic of Ireland and the Hull reference from Northern Ireland .PS I noticed that the last time I edited but I had an idea if the editor is editing for correctness with Ireland they would change it WP:AGF but if they were POV editing they would only edit the section I had just done. QED . Murry1975 ( talk) 12:40, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
has anybody some info about the italian word for soccer? (calcio) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paranoid Android1208 ( talk • contribs) 10:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
The etymology section seems to be loaded with WP:OR. This paragraph in particular stands out:
"In 1363, King Edward III of England issued a proclamation banning "...handball, football, or hockey; coursing and cock-fighting, or other such idle games",[5] showing that "football" was being differentiated from games as they involved other parts of the body, such as handball, not simply because it was played on foot."
Does anyone have access to the reference "Derek Baker (England in the Later Middle Ages). 1995. Boydell & Brewer. p. 187" to see if they are actually discussing the etymology/usage of the word 'football' or just commenting on a specific proclamation? Glaucus ( talk) 22:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
As Melburnian now living in Canberra (with many friends from both Sydney and Brisbane) I can confirm that people in Sydney do not refer to Rugby League as "football", rather the term "footy" is used.
In Canberra, the term is much more ambiguous as "football" can mean Australian Rules, soccer or Rugby League depending on the context. Usually in Canberra, "football" means soccer though the terms used in Canberra the majority of the time are as follows: Football Association = "soccer"; Rugby Union = "Rugby" (or rarely "Union"); Rugby League = "League" (or rarely "footy"); and Australian Rules Football = "AFL".
Recognising that sports may engender feelings of passion, desire and attachment in a quasi-religious fashion, I'd like to steer - as gently as I can - discussion here away from any personal opinions or points of view and toward examination of reliable sources to inform our readership. Are there any more to be found? So far the easiest and most visible sources are showing that "Football" in Australia means the same thing as in most of the rest of the world, and "Soccer" is fading from view. I'd like to hear from other editors before I change the article. -- Pete ( talk) 18:27, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
This whole discussion is pointless. Please keep it in one place at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). HiLo48 ( talk) 11:13, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
HiLo, regarding your addition of unsourced material, previously noted as unsourced. Content in Wikipedia must be cited to reliable sources. I have again removed it. Feel free to add it when you have a reliable, independent source. Thanks for your advice on this. -- Pete ( talk) 09:50, 1 December 2014 (UTC) I'd be interested in an explanation for your edit summary, which reads in part, Reverted bad faith edit.. A cn tag may have been more diplomatic. You have been following this for the nine days since I actually inserted the "citation needed" tags you now call for! How is this bad faith? I looked at the sources - most of which are dead links - none of them supporting the statements claimed in any case, put in the cite needed tags, and when after a week no sources had been found, removed the offending material. There's a further dead link to remedy, and I am hoping that someone can find it, and the sole actual checkable source remaining is a 2008 American source which is very general in nature. WP:RS is a fundamental plank in our encyclopaedia - you understand this well enough, given that you advised a new editor of this fact only a few hours ago. I'll accept that you hadn't fully understood the situation, but if you keep on inserting unsourced material that has been challenged, I'm going to have to press you for an explanation couched in wikipolicy terms rather than personal abuse. Over to you. -- Pete ( talk) 11:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
user:Skyring please read WP:BRD you make a bold edit it is reverted. You initiate a discussion to see if there is a consensus for change. Reverting a revert of a bold edit made by you is edit warring double so if you revert two people.
You claim "contemporary usage as evolved in recent years" you need a source to support that claim. The current source you are using to support your claim is http://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-americans-call-it-soccer-2014-6 and it says:
-- PBS ( talk) 15:30, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Hum you signature is confusing I had not appreciated that you had started this section when I read it.
When you made this revert to my revert your change included the start of a sentence "Australia-wide, soccer was commonly used to describe association football" which is a complete change from what was there before, but you supported that change with the source http://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-americans-call-it-soccer-2014-6 and it says:
So what is the source you are using for you claim that "soccer was commonly used to describe association football" (my bold emphasis on the word "was") and why did you not include it in you edit? -- PBS ( talk) 20:51, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
- Guardian Australia's sport editor Tom Lutz fired off a quick piece about his decision to label the section 'soccer', pointing out that it will "avoid confusion" with the other codes.
- It's a fair enough response, but it misunderstands the extent of the feeling for the word down under. Those are fighting words to the more radical followers of the round ball.
“Rugby football” became “ruggle” for short. “Association football” became “soccer.” After these two sports spread across the Atlantic, Americans and Australians invented their own variant of the game that they simply called “football” in the early 1900s.
User:Skyring you are cherry picking when you talk about businessinsider.com.au being "hardly an authoritative" as it makes a much clear statement than the Guardian piece. As to the Peter FitzSimons' quote it is written as a facetious piece to tease writes such as Joe Gorman (the author of the Guardian blog article) and those (it seems such as yourself) who prefer to call the dribbling game football rather than soccer (Gorman writes in his piece "Rugby man Peter FitzSimons has had plenty of fun over the years poking fun at football fans in Australia"). As you noted above at 01:47, 3 April 2015 Gorman's ending statement "Personally, I prefer 'football', but find myself using the 'soccer' ..." makes clear that Gorman is not disputing FitzSimons sarcastic publication, and that Alessandro Del Piero used the term soccer is a indication that he expected his audience to be using the same term. The original Peter FitzSimons' article can be found at: Peter FitzSimons. "Del Piero in need of football lesson". Sydney Morning Herald..
That the governing body of on type of football decided to change their name and launch a PR drive to have that branding used in Australia does not mean that they have been successful in changing common usage to date. It also does not mean that they will not be eventually successful. But what is the source that you are using to justify the change to "Australia-wide, soccer was commonly used to describe association football"?
-- PBS ( talk) 12:07, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
I did a google search of site:gov.au. Among other it returns these (in chronological publishing date order):
{{
cite web}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1=
(
help) -- contrast usage with a 20011 report: Smith, Warwick (2011).
"Building Australia's Football Community - Australian Sports ." (PDF)."In each Australian state and territory the word football' has a different meaning. For those living in the Northern Territory, South Australia, Tasmania, Victoria and Western Australia, football usually refers to Australian Rules Football. In the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, and Queensland, it could mean rugby league or rugby union. The word 'soccer' equates to the game played by the Football Federation Australia for all of Australia."
Australians are enthusiastic about their sport and have a particular passion for football. Football (or footy as it is also known) in Australia can mean any one of four codes - Australian Rules football, Association Football (Soccer), Rugby League or Rugby Union. All four codes are team sports. .... Australia is home to four professional football codes: Australian Football League (AFL), Australian Rugby Union (ARU), National Rugby League (NRL), and Football Federation Australia (FFA). ... NRL is the Australian national competition for Rugby League and FFA is the governing body for soccer in Australia. New South Wales and Queensland have teams represented in all four codes. Tasmania and the Northern Territory are the only state and territory without a football team in any of the four competitions. The football code an Australian plays or follows is often dictated by where they live, their cultural heritage, or by the code they were taught at school Both Rugby Union and Rugby League are most popular in New South Wales and Queensland. Australian Rules football is the dominant form of football in Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia, Tasmania and the Northern Territory. Soccer is considered to be the most popular team sport in the world and is played in over 200 countries (Endnote 4).
I reckon that most of these documents are each composites put together by different people. I do like the comment in the document 3 December 2009 which was clearly written by a rugby league follower "Rugby League is played in more than 30 countries and is most prominent in Australia, England and New Zealand. Rugby Union is also popular in many countries including Australia, England, Wales and Japan" (not "popular in many more countries" nor any mention of South Africa or New Zealand!). -- PBS ( talk) 14:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Could someone please find a current Australian source for our statement that association football is usually called soccer in Australia? Please? The official name of the sport changed eleven years ago, so we need a current source (something within the last couple of years would be acceptable), and we need an Australian source, preferably from a sporting organisation or something to do with tracking language usage. Surely we can find something like this to stop me complaining about old and weak overseas sources? -- Pete ( talk) 22:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- In each Australian state and territory the word ‘football’ has a different meaning. For those living in the Northern Territory, South Australia, Tasmania, Victoria and Western Australia, football usually refers to Australian Rules Football. In the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, and Queensland, it could mean rugby league or rugby union. The word ‘soccer’ equates to the game played by the Football Federation Australia for all of Australia.
"However, as in Canada, "football" refers to soccer if the game is neither Canadian nor American in context." Does anyone have any idea what that is trying to say? -- Khajidha ( talk) 17:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, guys! I originally started this whole discussion 14 years ago when Wikipedia had only a few hundred regular contributors. I noticed that "football" meant soccer in British English but American football in American English. So I turned what was then a redirect into the Football page.
I still think that the term soccer deserves some mention. The delicious irony is that nearly everyone who plays soccer - particularly as a professional sport - calls it "football" (or "footie"). And of course, people who play "football" (er, I mean soccer) are typically called "footballers".
It is chiefly in America (er, I mean the USA) that the terms "soccer" and "soccer player" are used. Elsewhere - typically overseas and in Latin America, where the bulk of professional play carries on - the terms are "football" and "footballer".
I'd like to see this usage distinguised in the article - not to promote the American English usage, but rather to help my fellow Americans understand how people worldwide refer to the sports and their participants. Thank you for your time. --14:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed Poor ( talk • contribs) 14:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 20:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm back after 7 years, and in fine fettle! This article clearly explains what a person means when they say " football". I'm interested in doing it the other way around.
When they're talking about a certain sport, what will they call it? That team sport with the round ball that players move primarily with their feet, what do they call it? And does it depend on where they are? Just because I'm in the United States, I might call it soccer, but people outside of North America (which is 99% of the world, I guess) call it "football".
We don't need an entire new article. I'm thinking about table, Put the sport in the first column, and what it's generally called in the second column. Or something like that. Good idea? -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 19:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)