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I wrote here a year ago requesting a change to the table in the " Historical progression of designs" subsection, but I see now that no one acted on my request (either to make the proposed change or to decline my request). So here I am again. The 1795-1818 flag is the only one to have a number of stripes other than 13, so it strikes me as needlessly taking up space to have a "Number of stripes" column in the table. It would make more sense to remove the column and instead add something to the "States represented by new stars" column saying that 1795-1818 was the only flag to have 15 stripes.
My request: Remove the "Number of stripes" column in the table under " Historical progression of designs", and add some text to the 1795-1818 flag explaining this was the only version to have 15 stripes. This is how I want the table to look:
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Thank you in advance. - 188.182.13.127 ( talk) 00:12, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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It's not necessary to add a source to the statement that a bill before Congress in 2020 to make D.C. a state didn't pass. If it had passed, there would now be 51 states, and it's notorious that there are only 50. Also, this article states elsewhere how many states there are. If you want to add a source about the fate of the bill, then go ahead, but meanwhile there's no reason to keep out of date information in the article. Richard75 ( talk) 00:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
I was expecting, but did not find it, a list of all the times the US flag has been ordered to be flown at half mast. I thought that would be very interesting and I don’t know where one would go to look for it if not Wikipedia. I don’t know even how to begin to research it so I’m begging you the editors that maybe that should be part of this page or another page. It is absolutely the kind of detail that you list and it absolutely shows what events were important in the mind of at least the President of the United States at the time.
Not the dates that CAN be declared half-mast; those that have. For example. At some point flags were flow at half mast for COVID-19 deaths in the US. Often it is a very political choice by the president about when we will and will not fly the flag at half mast which is well beyond that list. I was looking for that on Wikipedia. I can’t find anywhere on the Internet that has it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:F90:6950:10DD:594C:D96C:59DB ( talk) 20:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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" Raising the Flag at Ground Zero" Flag ChonkyPhteven ( talk) 12:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Hey
Volteer1,
Sorry about this. It's literally my first attempt at editing. I'll go read up some more on how to submit these types of edits. I figured that since it said I should state "Change X to Y" it would need to look like what I have below. Thanks for not deleting it.
Here's a horribly formatted version of what I had originally put:
Requested edits:
1. The "Surviving Historical Flags" table near the bottom of the page. Heading of column 4 labeled "Historical Significants"
Change - "!Historical Significants"
to - "!Historical Significance"
2. The last entry in the "Surviving Historical Flags" table near the bottom of the page titled '"Raising the Flag at Ground Zero" Flag'
Change - "Following the collapse of the two world trade centers on [...]"
to - "Following the collapse of the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center on [...]"
Change - "[...] raised on a titled flag pole [...]"
to - "[...] raised on a tilted flag pole [...]"
Change - "This event was photograph and helped boost moral, similar to the "Raising the flag on Iwo Jima" photo."
to - "This event was photographed and helped boost morale, similar to the "Raising the flag on Iwo Jima" photo."
(Spelling/Grammar of photograph, moral, and titled; Proper reference for the Twin Towers at the WTC)
|"
Raising the Flag at Ground Zero" Flag
|
|3 x 5 ft. 50 star American Flag
|Following the collapse of the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center on
September 11, 2001, this flag, which had been on board a yacht, was attached and raised on a tilted flag pole by three members of the
New York City Fire Department, Dan McWilliams, Billy Eisengrein, and George Johnson. This event was photographed and helped boost morale, similar to the "
Raising the flag on Iwo Jima" photo.
[1] It is currently in the possession of the
9/11 Memorial & Museum.
Hey Volteer1, Thanks so much for the help! The only thing missed was changing "photograph" to "photographed". That's definitely my fault. My inexperience with editing hid the change within my comments. Also, thanks for the Welcome message! I'm digging into the tutorial page now. ChonkyPhteven ( talk) 13:24, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Partly done:
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In the section referencing the Brazilian national flag, the first sentence reads: "The Republic of the United States of Brazil used a flag that greatly resembled the U.S. flag since 15 November 1889, it was proposed by the lawyer Ruy Barbosa."
I feel the sentence reads much better as: "The Republic of the United States of Brazil used a flag that greatly resembled the U.S. flag FROM NOVEMBER 15-19, 1889. It was proposed by the lawyer Ruy Barbosa."
Also not the period breaking the longer sentence into two shorter ones.
Thank you, Fred 2601:346:117F:FBD0:785F:2FF7:EA5D:CEBD ( talk) 14:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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In the descriptions of famous US flags, the sentence "In 1861 the flags original stars", should have an apostrophe: "In 1861 the FLAG'S original stars"
Thank you, Fred 2601:346:117F:FBD0:785F:2FF7:EA5D:CEBD ( talk) 14:20, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I added the official Pantone colors from the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. Can someone with more knowledge of colors help with any needed cleanup? Do we still need the approximations listed for the cloth colors? Thanks. Gemini-Two ( talk) 01:41, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Pantone is a device-independent system, while RGB is device-dependent, so there are many possible RGB conversions of a Pantone color... AnonMoos ( talk) 09:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
I created a new redirect for "
Hopkinson flag" but this might be better off as a new article. There seems to be a lot of material and history on this page already for this particular flag design. I also replaced the image used in the article from "
file:Hopkinson Flag for the U.S. Navy.pdf
" to "
file:Hopkinson Flag.svg
" since the SVG has much better image quality than the PDF (which appears to have an image defect). However, these two files have different proportions for the flag. I think the proportions on the PDF image might be more accurate. Would it be possible for someone to create an SVG version of this flag using the proportions from the PDF?
Nicole Sharp (
talk)
01:58, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
@ DevinCook: Nicole Sharp ( talk) 02:09, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
I created a new category on Wikimedia Commons: "
commons:category:Hopkinson flag
." There are currently three different versions of this flag on Commons. I concur that there wasn't any formal standardization of the flag (Hopkinson or otherwise) in this period. I was just annoyed by the PDF image quality and was hoping someone might be able to make a cleaner SVG version. But with the design(s) for the original Hopkinson flag(s) lost to history, the number of possible interpretations is technically infinite.
Nicole Sharp (
talk)
04:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW closure. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 14:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Flag of the United States →
American flag – The national flag of the USA is most commonly referred to as the American flag. There has not been a point in the entire post-1800 corpus of
ngrams, where "Flag of the United States" has been more frequently used than "American flag". The
WP:CRITERIA of naturalness and concision come to mind here: the natural title usually conveys what the subject is actually called in English and also is the one that people are most likely to search for, while the concise title is the one that is no longer than necessary to uniquely identify the article's subject. Since "American flag" is the
term used most frequently to refer to the article subject and is a whole three words shorter than the current title, it has advantages over the current title. The proposed title is equally recognizable and precise to the current title, which leads to no advantage on the criteria of recognizably and precision. As such, the proposed title is superior on two criteria to the current title. Therefore, I request that this article be moved to
American flag. —
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01:31, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Its been 62 years -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.131.228 ( talk) 15:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
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This article on Slate.com asserts that the 50-star flag was not designed by Robert G. Heft as this Wikipedia article and many other sources states. I do not feel qualified to weigh in on this, but it would be worth looking into. Francoisdjvr ( talk) 14:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Francoisdjvr ( talk) 14:40, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
While the flag burning photo is encyclopedic, it shouldn't be on this page. Depictions of flag desecration make more sense in the main article. -- Rockstone Send me a message! 06:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
"The flag has become a powerful symbol of Americanism, and is flown on many occasions, with giant outdoor flags used by retail outlets to draw customers. Reverence for the flag has at times reached religion-like fervor: in 1919 William Norman Guthrie's book The Religion of Old Glory discussed "the cult of the flag" [1] and formally proposed vexillolatry. [2]"
Chaheel Riens ( talk) 03:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
I see the first sentence: "This essay is not a standard reply that can be hurled against anyone you disagree with who has made a reference to how something is done somewhere else." You interpret policy one way - I another. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 18:42, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Your opinion, and you're welcome to it. My opinion is that the image does contribute to the article in that it shows how flag desecration can be carried out, and is an example of same. I feel that it will be impossible to appease you based on comments such as "...flag desecration, as tasteless and as unethical as it is..."' - which suggests a severe case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT, and "you cannot use WP:OTHERCONTENT to dismiss my comparison either, as the article says" - when I quite clearly can, because you literally request (three times) removal based on the content of other articles.
We obviously will not agree on this. Based on your text and responses so far it's apparent that the only reason you want it removed is because you personally find it offensive. That's not a good reason for removal. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 17:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
References
[...] a formal book-length proposal for vexillolatry was made by William Norman Guthrie in his The Religion of Old Glory (New York: Doran, l9l9).
Should the "Symbolism" section of this article include an image depicting the burning of an American flag? -- Rockstone Send me a message! 19:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Despite a number of attempts to ban the practice, desecration of the flag remains protected as free speech under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Scholars have noted the irony that "[t]he flag is so revered because it represents the land of the free, and that freedom includes the ability to use or abuse that flag in protest".[71] Comparing practice worldwide, Testi noted in 2010 that the United States was not unique in adoring its banner, for the flags of Scandinavian countries are also "beloved, domesticated, commercialized and sacralized objects".[72]The fact that it does not literally say "burning" does not mean that it is not discussed and would be silly pedantry; burning the flag was the exact subject of those bans. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
This might not belong here, but why is the current national flag shown as this weird blueish color if official sources show it as being the same blue as all of the other ones? Loganp23 ( talk) 14:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Internet images use "device dependent" color, while cloth fabric colors are defined in a "device independent" way, so there isn't necessarily a simple direct conversion between the two which is valid in all circumstances. AnonMoos ( talk) 00:00, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Bob Heft redirects to this page. Allegedly, he designed the current 50-star version in school project. However, there's little point redirecting when the article doesn't cover the fact. Can someone find a valid source and write it in? Nø ( talk) 16:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
There are many edits which swap the flag at the very top of the article to the pantone version. So, there are a few possible options I am proposing to possibly prevent edit wars.
A: Keep the flag as the one which matches official specifications
B: Keep the flag as the pantone version
C: Keep the flag which matches official specifications at the very top, but mention the pantone version as the "de facto" flag, at the bottom of the infobox
D: Keep the pantone version of the flag at the very top because it is more commonly used, and keep the one which matches official specifications at the bottom of the infobox
Flagvisioner (
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03:38, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
When describing a flag it is important to use the accepted terms for those colours.
White is Argent
Blue is Azure
Red is Gules
This is may be a minor detail, but if the article is intended to be taken seriously it should be addressed. 120.22.207.186 ( talk) 09:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Current text: "Traditionally, the Army and Air Force use a fringed flag for parades, color guard and indoor display, while the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard use a fringeless flag for all occasions."
Starting the sentence with "Traditionally" and then ending the sentence with no citation, should be enough to remove this sentence all together.
But the second half of the sentence is particularly nonsense. Simple google searches provide countless images of Navy, Marine, and Coast Guard flags with fringe.
https://www.google.com/search?q=flag%20of%20branches&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:Cb-ST0oNoShaYUVIm-lL6oKS8AEAsgIOCgIIABAAOgQIARAAQAE&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS955US955&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CAIQrnZqFwoTCKCC97SUh_sCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAU&biw=1695&bih=865 96.255.122.4 ( talk) 05:02, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
If it's just a proposed bill, is it important enough to be on this article? AnonMoos ( talk) 16:08, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
The article has these two statements:
"It was the 15-star, 15-stripe flag that inspired Francis Scott Key to write "Defence of Fort M'Henry", later known as "The Star-Spangled Banner", which is now the American national anthem."
and
"This flag is depicted by Francis Scott Key in the song "Star-Spangled Banner" which would later become the national anthem of the United States.[153] Details : 30 x 34 ft. (Currently) 15 horizontal stripes alternating red and white stripes 14 stars (one missing)"
Did one star fall off the flag? Or is there something else going on? sbelknap ( talk) 18:33, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
What's the difference?
Can you add an explanation of this apparent discrepancy to the article...
Article currently says:
MBG02 ( talk) 04:10, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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I wrote here a year ago requesting a change to the table in the " Historical progression of designs" subsection, but I see now that no one acted on my request (either to make the proposed change or to decline my request). So here I am again. The 1795-1818 flag is the only one to have a number of stripes other than 13, so it strikes me as needlessly taking up space to have a "Number of stripes" column in the table. It would make more sense to remove the column and instead add something to the "States represented by new stars" column saying that 1795-1818 was the only flag to have 15 stripes.
My request: Remove the "Number of stripes" column in the table under " Historical progression of designs", and add some text to the 1795-1818 flag explaining this was the only version to have 15 stripes. This is how I want the table to look:
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Thank you in advance. - 188.182.13.127 ( talk) 00:12, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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It's not necessary to add a source to the statement that a bill before Congress in 2020 to make D.C. a state didn't pass. If it had passed, there would now be 51 states, and it's notorious that there are only 50. Also, this article states elsewhere how many states there are. If you want to add a source about the fate of the bill, then go ahead, but meanwhile there's no reason to keep out of date information in the article. Richard75 ( talk) 00:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
I was expecting, but did not find it, a list of all the times the US flag has been ordered to be flown at half mast. I thought that would be very interesting and I don’t know where one would go to look for it if not Wikipedia. I don’t know even how to begin to research it so I’m begging you the editors that maybe that should be part of this page or another page. It is absolutely the kind of detail that you list and it absolutely shows what events were important in the mind of at least the President of the United States at the time.
Not the dates that CAN be declared half-mast; those that have. For example. At some point flags were flow at half mast for COVID-19 deaths in the US. Often it is a very political choice by the president about when we will and will not fly the flag at half mast which is well beyond that list. I was looking for that on Wikipedia. I can’t find anywhere on the Internet that has it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:F90:6950:10DD:594C:D96C:59DB ( talk) 20:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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" Raising the Flag at Ground Zero" Flag ChonkyPhteven ( talk) 12:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Hey
Volteer1,
Sorry about this. It's literally my first attempt at editing. I'll go read up some more on how to submit these types of edits. I figured that since it said I should state "Change X to Y" it would need to look like what I have below. Thanks for not deleting it.
Here's a horribly formatted version of what I had originally put:
Requested edits:
1. The "Surviving Historical Flags" table near the bottom of the page. Heading of column 4 labeled "Historical Significants"
Change - "!Historical Significants"
to - "!Historical Significance"
2. The last entry in the "Surviving Historical Flags" table near the bottom of the page titled '"Raising the Flag at Ground Zero" Flag'
Change - "Following the collapse of the two world trade centers on [...]"
to - "Following the collapse of the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center on [...]"
Change - "[...] raised on a titled flag pole [...]"
to - "[...] raised on a tilted flag pole [...]"
Change - "This event was photograph and helped boost moral, similar to the "Raising the flag on Iwo Jima" photo."
to - "This event was photographed and helped boost morale, similar to the "Raising the flag on Iwo Jima" photo."
(Spelling/Grammar of photograph, moral, and titled; Proper reference for the Twin Towers at the WTC)
|"
Raising the Flag at Ground Zero" Flag
|
|3 x 5 ft. 50 star American Flag
|Following the collapse of the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center on
September 11, 2001, this flag, which had been on board a yacht, was attached and raised on a tilted flag pole by three members of the
New York City Fire Department, Dan McWilliams, Billy Eisengrein, and George Johnson. This event was photographed and helped boost morale, similar to the "
Raising the flag on Iwo Jima" photo.
[1] It is currently in the possession of the
9/11 Memorial & Museum.
Hey Volteer1, Thanks so much for the help! The only thing missed was changing "photograph" to "photographed". That's definitely my fault. My inexperience with editing hid the change within my comments. Also, thanks for the Welcome message! I'm digging into the tutorial page now. ChonkyPhteven ( talk) 13:24, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Partly done:
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In the section referencing the Brazilian national flag, the first sentence reads: "The Republic of the United States of Brazil used a flag that greatly resembled the U.S. flag since 15 November 1889, it was proposed by the lawyer Ruy Barbosa."
I feel the sentence reads much better as: "The Republic of the United States of Brazil used a flag that greatly resembled the U.S. flag FROM NOVEMBER 15-19, 1889. It was proposed by the lawyer Ruy Barbosa."
Also not the period breaking the longer sentence into two shorter ones.
Thank you, Fred 2601:346:117F:FBD0:785F:2FF7:EA5D:CEBD ( talk) 14:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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In the descriptions of famous US flags, the sentence "In 1861 the flags original stars", should have an apostrophe: "In 1861 the FLAG'S original stars"
Thank you, Fred 2601:346:117F:FBD0:785F:2FF7:EA5D:CEBD ( talk) 14:20, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I added the official Pantone colors from the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. Can someone with more knowledge of colors help with any needed cleanup? Do we still need the approximations listed for the cloth colors? Thanks. Gemini-Two ( talk) 01:41, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Pantone is a device-independent system, while RGB is device-dependent, so there are many possible RGB conversions of a Pantone color... AnonMoos ( talk) 09:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
I created a new redirect for "
Hopkinson flag" but this might be better off as a new article. There seems to be a lot of material and history on this page already for this particular flag design. I also replaced the image used in the article from "
file:Hopkinson Flag for the U.S. Navy.pdf
" to "
file:Hopkinson Flag.svg
" since the SVG has much better image quality than the PDF (which appears to have an image defect). However, these two files have different proportions for the flag. I think the proportions on the PDF image might be more accurate. Would it be possible for someone to create an SVG version of this flag using the proportions from the PDF?
Nicole Sharp (
talk)
01:58, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
@ DevinCook: Nicole Sharp ( talk) 02:09, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
I created a new category on Wikimedia Commons: "
commons:category:Hopkinson flag
." There are currently three different versions of this flag on Commons. I concur that there wasn't any formal standardization of the flag (Hopkinson or otherwise) in this period. I was just annoyed by the PDF image quality and was hoping someone might be able to make a cleaner SVG version. But with the design(s) for the original Hopkinson flag(s) lost to history, the number of possible interpretations is technically infinite.
Nicole Sharp (
talk)
04:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW closure. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 14:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Flag of the United States →
American flag – The national flag of the USA is most commonly referred to as the American flag. There has not been a point in the entire post-1800 corpus of
ngrams, where "Flag of the United States" has been more frequently used than "American flag". The
WP:CRITERIA of naturalness and concision come to mind here: the natural title usually conveys what the subject is actually called in English and also is the one that people are most likely to search for, while the concise title is the one that is no longer than necessary to uniquely identify the article's subject. Since "American flag" is the
term used most frequently to refer to the article subject and is a whole three words shorter than the current title, it has advantages over the current title. The proposed title is equally recognizable and precise to the current title, which leads to no advantage on the criteria of recognizably and precision. As such, the proposed title is superior on two criteria to the current title. Therefore, I request that this article be moved to
American flag. —
Mhawk10 (
talk)
01:31, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Its been 62 years -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.131.228 ( talk) 15:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
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This article on Slate.com asserts that the 50-star flag was not designed by Robert G. Heft as this Wikipedia article and many other sources states. I do not feel qualified to weigh in on this, but it would be worth looking into. Francoisdjvr ( talk) 14:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Francoisdjvr ( talk) 14:40, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
While the flag burning photo is encyclopedic, it shouldn't be on this page. Depictions of flag desecration make more sense in the main article. -- Rockstone Send me a message! 06:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
"The flag has become a powerful symbol of Americanism, and is flown on many occasions, with giant outdoor flags used by retail outlets to draw customers. Reverence for the flag has at times reached religion-like fervor: in 1919 William Norman Guthrie's book The Religion of Old Glory discussed "the cult of the flag" [1] and formally proposed vexillolatry. [2]"
Chaheel Riens ( talk) 03:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
I see the first sentence: "This essay is not a standard reply that can be hurled against anyone you disagree with who has made a reference to how something is done somewhere else." You interpret policy one way - I another. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 18:42, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Your opinion, and you're welcome to it. My opinion is that the image does contribute to the article in that it shows how flag desecration can be carried out, and is an example of same. I feel that it will be impossible to appease you based on comments such as "...flag desecration, as tasteless and as unethical as it is..."' - which suggests a severe case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT, and "you cannot use WP:OTHERCONTENT to dismiss my comparison either, as the article says" - when I quite clearly can, because you literally request (three times) removal based on the content of other articles.
We obviously will not agree on this. Based on your text and responses so far it's apparent that the only reason you want it removed is because you personally find it offensive. That's not a good reason for removal. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 17:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
References
[...] a formal book-length proposal for vexillolatry was made by William Norman Guthrie in his The Religion of Old Glory (New York: Doran, l9l9).
Should the "Symbolism" section of this article include an image depicting the burning of an American flag? -- Rockstone Send me a message! 19:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Despite a number of attempts to ban the practice, desecration of the flag remains protected as free speech under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Scholars have noted the irony that "[t]he flag is so revered because it represents the land of the free, and that freedom includes the ability to use or abuse that flag in protest".[71] Comparing practice worldwide, Testi noted in 2010 that the United States was not unique in adoring its banner, for the flags of Scandinavian countries are also "beloved, domesticated, commercialized and sacralized objects".[72]The fact that it does not literally say "burning" does not mean that it is not discussed and would be silly pedantry; burning the flag was the exact subject of those bans. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
This might not belong here, but why is the current national flag shown as this weird blueish color if official sources show it as being the same blue as all of the other ones? Loganp23 ( talk) 14:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Internet images use "device dependent" color, while cloth fabric colors are defined in a "device independent" way, so there isn't necessarily a simple direct conversion between the two which is valid in all circumstances. AnonMoos ( talk) 00:00, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Bob Heft redirects to this page. Allegedly, he designed the current 50-star version in school project. However, there's little point redirecting when the article doesn't cover the fact. Can someone find a valid source and write it in? Nø ( talk) 16:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
There are many edits which swap the flag at the very top of the article to the pantone version. So, there are a few possible options I am proposing to possibly prevent edit wars.
A: Keep the flag as the one which matches official specifications
B: Keep the flag as the pantone version
C: Keep the flag which matches official specifications at the very top, but mention the pantone version as the "de facto" flag, at the bottom of the infobox
D: Keep the pantone version of the flag at the very top because it is more commonly used, and keep the one which matches official specifications at the bottom of the infobox
Flagvisioner (
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03:38, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
When describing a flag it is important to use the accepted terms for those colours.
White is Argent
Blue is Azure
Red is Gules
This is may be a minor detail, but if the article is intended to be taken seriously it should be addressed. 120.22.207.186 ( talk) 09:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Current text: "Traditionally, the Army and Air Force use a fringed flag for parades, color guard and indoor display, while the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard use a fringeless flag for all occasions."
Starting the sentence with "Traditionally" and then ending the sentence with no citation, should be enough to remove this sentence all together.
But the second half of the sentence is particularly nonsense. Simple google searches provide countless images of Navy, Marine, and Coast Guard flags with fringe.
https://www.google.com/search?q=flag%20of%20branches&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:Cb-ST0oNoShaYUVIm-lL6oKS8AEAsgIOCgIIABAAOgQIARAAQAE&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS955US955&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CAIQrnZqFwoTCKCC97SUh_sCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAU&biw=1695&bih=865 96.255.122.4 ( talk) 05:02, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
If it's just a proposed bill, is it important enough to be on this article? AnonMoos ( talk) 16:08, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
The article has these two statements:
"It was the 15-star, 15-stripe flag that inspired Francis Scott Key to write "Defence of Fort M'Henry", later known as "The Star-Spangled Banner", which is now the American national anthem."
and
"This flag is depicted by Francis Scott Key in the song "Star-Spangled Banner" which would later become the national anthem of the United States.[153] Details : 30 x 34 ft. (Currently) 15 horizontal stripes alternating red and white stripes 14 stars (one missing)"
Did one star fall off the flag? Or is there something else going on? sbelknap ( talk) 18:33, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
What's the difference?
Can you add an explanation of this apparent discrepancy to the article...
Article currently says:
MBG02 ( talk) 04:10, 28 January 2023 (UTC)