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Given the continual vandalism of this page, I've recommended that it be placed under permanent semi-protection. Instead of constantly reverting the page back to an old state (which already prompted temporary protection for the page a year ago) please come here to discuss any issues you have with the page. Pfaupfaupfau ( talk) 07:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Not sure I should be the one making the change, since I've been strongly involved in editing the text that went into this article, but there may not be a whole lot more to say on the subject, so the article should probably be raised from stub to at least "start class"... AnonMoos ( talk) 14:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
What about this flag from the Larousse dictionary?
http://pamelageller.com/2014/11/the-flag-of-palestine-before-1948.html/ -- 00:10, 16 November 2014 67.164.94.86
67.164.94.86 -- We already have that flag on Commons as Image:Flag of Palestine (1924).svg, but it certainly did not have any official status under the British Mandate. If you could tell us exactly what that flag was, and back it up with a reliable source, then maybe it could be included on the article page -- but not displacing Image:Palestine-Mandate-Ensign-1927-1948.svg... -- AnonMoos ( talk) 22:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Britain had no right to do many things they did, the mandate as you read it you see is for the establishment of the Jewish homeland, the Flag that was in use was the blue white yellow star flag. The British though used another one. They had no right to go against and as you can see from the French Larousse wich is an Encyclopedia the British flag was not recognized.
For more info if you which to understand the legality, here is a video.
The Legal Case for Israel Video by Professor Eugene Kontorovich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2x5UvjUs4
Another great International Lawyer who investigated this subject for over 20 years is Dr. Jaques Gautier who concludes that not only is Israel in accordance with International law but that the International community is in direct violation of it’s own Agreements and Charters they have themselves formulated
Another great Attorney who came to the same conclusion is Howard Grief who wrote the book “The Legal Foundation and Borders of Israel under International Law”
The Conclusion is all the same: the Jewish people have been betrayed many times over by the Nations of the world who do not abide by their own agreements that they have themselves formulated while continuing to do so and them being the reason behind many baseless wars where so many innocent live were lost
You can also read this 1947 testimony that speaks about many things that happened in Palestine mandated to the British
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/364A6AC0DC52ADA785256E8B00716662
Thank you Dalandau (talk) 03:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC) Dalandau ( talk) 03:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Maybe this can help shed light on the situation: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%93%D7%92%D7%9C_%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%99#mediaviewer/File:Emanuel_ship%27s_Hebrew_flag.svg This image, which is similiar to the Larouse flag, was used by a Jewish-owned shipping company from Yaffo in the 30s, and might have been the cause of the mistake in Larouse. The specifics are discussed in the Hebrew Wiki article דגל עברי. רונן אלטמן קידר ( talk) 07:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
רונן אלטמן קידר -- A more direct link to that image is
File:Emanuel ship's Hebrew flag.svg, but it only has a somewhat vague resemblance to the mystery Larousse flag.
Tibetan Pop Rocks -- That flag is much closer match in terms of visual appearance and original date, but it was pretty certainly never an official governmental flag of anything, and would not seem to be eligible for inclusion in this article...
AnonMoos (
talk) 15:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
This flag is *not* a mistake, as it was featured along side the British flag in the Anglo-Palestine Exhibition of 1933. As seen here: https://files.kedem-auctions.com/files/Ol14-public/28_1.jpg It needs to be added to multiple wikipedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NukeSlywalker ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
"The Most Relevant Parts of The Mandate of Palestine that the British Violated"
What does this have to do with an article on a flag? I am not sure how such a heading relates to anything. Further, how does the text of the mandate relate to an article on a flag? I am guessing that it was a political statement of some sort. Even if it were relevant, it would need explanation as to how the British violated the mandate. For now, I am going to let those who have been involved with this page to offer explanations and / or make revisisions. I assume that I am missing something. Dstern1 ( talk) 17:48, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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I commented out the "Flag of the High Commissioner" for having no source. There was an attempt to create such a flag for use on a launch when the HC was present, but for whether it was actually created and what it looked like we need evidence. There is a very long file in the Israeli National Archives on this subject. Be warned that the items in the file are not in chronological order but sometimes go forwards in time and sometimes backwards. That plus difficult handwriting makes it a chore to decode. Zero talk 12:14, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
The whole "Jewish flags in Mandatory Palestine" section seems to be quite a lot to take in without any source given, as it's basing most of it on the unsourced 1924 "Larousse Palestine Flag" like already mentioned on this talk page almost a decade ago. In this day and age it should be preferable to not just add unsourced flags of any type, especially given the contentious topic. The whole topic needs a rewrite in any case. I will be removing the "purported flag" in the meantime, as, again, no reliable source has ever been given, other than a faulty flag chart. -- HolonZeias ( talk) 09:39, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
LivLovisa -- The Flag of the Arab Revolt definitely had some use among Arabs, and File:Jaffa Alhambra Cinema03562ucroped.jpg is photographic evidence of a variation of the Arab Revolt flag in use in 1937. If you could present evidence of a flag in actual use among the Jews of the British Mandate (not just a visual design published in the UK or France), then that could certainly be included. AnonMoos ( talk) 18:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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Given the continual vandalism of this page, I've recommended that it be placed under permanent semi-protection. Instead of constantly reverting the page back to an old state (which already prompted temporary protection for the page a year ago) please come here to discuss any issues you have with the page. Pfaupfaupfau ( talk) 07:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Not sure I should be the one making the change, since I've been strongly involved in editing the text that went into this article, but there may not be a whole lot more to say on the subject, so the article should probably be raised from stub to at least "start class"... AnonMoos ( talk) 14:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
What about this flag from the Larousse dictionary?
http://pamelageller.com/2014/11/the-flag-of-palestine-before-1948.html/ -- 00:10, 16 November 2014 67.164.94.86
67.164.94.86 -- We already have that flag on Commons as Image:Flag of Palestine (1924).svg, but it certainly did not have any official status under the British Mandate. If you could tell us exactly what that flag was, and back it up with a reliable source, then maybe it could be included on the article page -- but not displacing Image:Palestine-Mandate-Ensign-1927-1948.svg... -- AnonMoos ( talk) 22:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Britain had no right to do many things they did, the mandate as you read it you see is for the establishment of the Jewish homeland, the Flag that was in use was the blue white yellow star flag. The British though used another one. They had no right to go against and as you can see from the French Larousse wich is an Encyclopedia the British flag was not recognized.
For more info if you which to understand the legality, here is a video.
The Legal Case for Israel Video by Professor Eugene Kontorovich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2x5UvjUs4
Another great International Lawyer who investigated this subject for over 20 years is Dr. Jaques Gautier who concludes that not only is Israel in accordance with International law but that the International community is in direct violation of it’s own Agreements and Charters they have themselves formulated
Another great Attorney who came to the same conclusion is Howard Grief who wrote the book “The Legal Foundation and Borders of Israel under International Law”
The Conclusion is all the same: the Jewish people have been betrayed many times over by the Nations of the world who do not abide by their own agreements that they have themselves formulated while continuing to do so and them being the reason behind many baseless wars where so many innocent live were lost
You can also read this 1947 testimony that speaks about many things that happened in Palestine mandated to the British
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/364A6AC0DC52ADA785256E8B00716662
Thank you Dalandau (talk) 03:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC) Dalandau ( talk) 03:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Maybe this can help shed light on the situation: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%93%D7%92%D7%9C_%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%99#mediaviewer/File:Emanuel_ship%27s_Hebrew_flag.svg This image, which is similiar to the Larouse flag, was used by a Jewish-owned shipping company from Yaffo in the 30s, and might have been the cause of the mistake in Larouse. The specifics are discussed in the Hebrew Wiki article דגל עברי. רונן אלטמן קידר ( talk) 07:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
רונן אלטמן קידר -- A more direct link to that image is
File:Emanuel ship's Hebrew flag.svg, but it only has a somewhat vague resemblance to the mystery Larousse flag.
Tibetan Pop Rocks -- That flag is much closer match in terms of visual appearance and original date, but it was pretty certainly never an official governmental flag of anything, and would not seem to be eligible for inclusion in this article...
AnonMoos (
talk) 15:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
This flag is *not* a mistake, as it was featured along side the British flag in the Anglo-Palestine Exhibition of 1933. As seen here: https://files.kedem-auctions.com/files/Ol14-public/28_1.jpg It needs to be added to multiple wikipedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NukeSlywalker ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
"The Most Relevant Parts of The Mandate of Palestine that the British Violated"
What does this have to do with an article on a flag? I am not sure how such a heading relates to anything. Further, how does the text of the mandate relate to an article on a flag? I am guessing that it was a political statement of some sort. Even if it were relevant, it would need explanation as to how the British violated the mandate. For now, I am going to let those who have been involved with this page to offer explanations and / or make revisisions. I assume that I am missing something. Dstern1 ( talk) 17:48, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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Message 03:00, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I commented out the "Flag of the High Commissioner" for having no source. There was an attempt to create such a flag for use on a launch when the HC was present, but for whether it was actually created and what it looked like we need evidence. There is a very long file in the Israeli National Archives on this subject. Be warned that the items in the file are not in chronological order but sometimes go forwards in time and sometimes backwards. That plus difficult handwriting makes it a chore to decode. Zero talk 12:14, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
The whole "Jewish flags in Mandatory Palestine" section seems to be quite a lot to take in without any source given, as it's basing most of it on the unsourced 1924 "Larousse Palestine Flag" like already mentioned on this talk page almost a decade ago. In this day and age it should be preferable to not just add unsourced flags of any type, especially given the contentious topic. The whole topic needs a rewrite in any case. I will be removing the "purported flag" in the meantime, as, again, no reliable source has ever been given, other than a faulty flag chart. -- HolonZeias ( talk) 09:39, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
LivLovisa -- The Flag of the Arab Revolt definitely had some use among Arabs, and File:Jaffa Alhambra Cinema03562ucroped.jpg is photographic evidence of a variation of the Arab Revolt flag in use in 1937. If you could present evidence of a flag in actual use among the Jews of the British Mandate (not just a visual design published in the UK or France), then that could certainly be included. AnonMoos ( talk) 18:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)