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I son't see the point of the photograph. A Georgian ( talk) 17:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
The four-part division is arbitrary and interferes with discussing the actual content. -- Wetman 22:14, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
The textual criticism is questionable. The comment that most scholars don't attribute Timothy 1 and 2 to Paul is misleading. An appeal to "most scholars" is not verifyable. Many New Testament scholars (including Ben Witherington III) argue for authorship from within Paul's inner circle of associates (that is on Paul's behalf and with Paul's direction). Other scholars attribute the text directly to Paul's hand. Either way, it is clear that there is not unanimity among scholars.
Since the previous outline was so bad, I started from scratch. Here's the original stuff if someone wants to reintroduce it. -- JBJ830726 23:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
The verses 14:33-34 deal with the role and behavior of women in the church, that women are to keep silent, and are regarded by some to be an interpolation written by someone other than Paul. Some believe that the topic of line 33, of prophesying, appears to be disrupted by the dialogue concerning women, only to be picked up again at line 14:36. Further, these restrictions against women's authority mirror the language and tone of similar restrictions in First Timothy, which is considered by most scholars to be of non-Pauline origin.
we missed an important point in this article. Paul was questioing thwm why the corinthian church not believing jesus resurrection. I think he is communicating with the Jewish chritian churth who denies resurrection ot divinity of Jesus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.147.0.172 ( talk) 11:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Is there any possibility of using a more scholarly, inclusive language and modern Bible source? The KJV/AV Bible is hardly a suitable source for serious Theological study
A pretty thorough exegesis has been added based on a new translation. I would not be so hard on the KJV, though, its shortcomings have more to do with the manuscripts available at the time than with its precision, which is usually excellent, and sometimes preferable to, say, the RSV. 74.184.50.87 ( talk) 16:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I would be hard on the KJV, considering that it was not a translation to begin with. Taking the Geneva Bible and removing notes does not constitute a translation. Plus, to say its precision is excellent assumes that word-for-word translations are appropriate, when in fact all discourse analysis and communication study says that only a meaning-for-meaning translation of any text can be faithful to an original message. Covinben ( talk) 21:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Of the four quotes at the start of the article ("all things to all men" (9:22), "without love, I am nothing" (13:2), "through a glass, darkly" (13:12), and "when I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child" (13:11).), only two are from the KJV. In the KJV, 1 Cor 13:2 has "have not charity" rather than "without love", and 1 Cor 13:11 has "spake... understood... thought" instead of "spoke... felt... thought". (KJV text for comparison here: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2013&version=KJV) WikiwikiwikiwikiWildWildWest ( talk) 21:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
1 Corinthians 7:3-5 (New International Version)
3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
Should the above controversial passage noted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.25.175 ( talk) 04:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to see the information about verses 14:33-34 (the role and behavior of
women in the church) incorporated in the article. I don't have online references but I listened to a lecture series on CD ("The New Testament," by Bart Ehrman,
ISBN
1-56585-366-0) where he relates the same information as in the original outline. He also says that it comes after verse 40 in some manuscripts and that it may have originally been a margin note that a scribe somewhere along the way added to the text.
Why was the contribution made by 74.218.82.170 reverted by Neutralle? A Georgian ( talk) 16:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
1 Corinthians 9:22 reads, "To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some."
St. Paul's above explanation of his philosophy for winning converts has since acquired a pejorative connotation: today it is more often said that trying to be "all things to all men" is not desirable.[* "All things to all men" at phrases.org]
Moved to discussion because it does not seem appropriate for the page. Interpretation of the Bible is not a purpose that a encyclopedia should serve.~
I'm on a mission to bring down the weasel-words tag! All we have to do is change a few sentances so that it would make sense to someone of any faith. For example, "Paul argued against their erroneous beliefs" would only make sense from a Christian viewpoint. "Paul considered their beliefs un-Christian and argued strongly against them" is more NPOV, and still conveys the same meaning. As a test, maybe some non-Christian readers out there could read this article and give us their feedback. Anyone? -- Glistenray 02:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Chapter One
1. “From Paul … and from Sostainos our brother,”
2. “to the assembly of God in Corinth, to those that were separated in the Anointed one [Christ, the messiah] Jesus and were called to be saints together with all those called”
“in all places in the name of our lord Jesus the Anointed one.”
“Our lord is their lord.”
3. “Grace and peace to you from the God our father, and the lord Jesus the Anointed one.”
7. “… you lack no spiritual gift in your expectation of the revelation [αποκαλυψις, apocalypse] of our lord Jesus the Anointed one.”
9. “Faithful is the God who called you to the fellowship of his son, Jesus the Anointed one, our lord.”
10. “Brethren, I implore of you, in the name of our lord Jesus the Anointed one that you be, all of you, of one opinion in your utterances … stand united in the same thinking and in the same doctrine.”
12. “I am referring to the fact that each of you say, ‘I am associated with Saul’, or, ‘I am with Apolos’, ‘I am of Peter', and ‘I am of the Anointed’.”
18. “… the word [λογος logos] of the cross is foolishness in the eyes of those perishing, but to us, the saved, it is the power of God.”
…
20. “Where is the sophist [σοφων sophon]? Where is the expert in the law [γραμμουτευς τον σαιο grammouteus ton saio]. Where is the polemicist [Συξητηγης Suzeteges] of this world [αιων aion]? Has not God made the wisdom of the world [κοσμος kosmos] foolish?”
22. “Behold, the Jews request signs and the Greeks seek wisdom …”
23. “But we preach The Anointed one crucified, a stumbling stone to Jews, and foolishness in the eyes of the Greeks.”
Chapter Two
6. “We speak wisdom among the mature [τελειοις teleiois], but not the wisdom of this world [αιωνος ]”,
“nor the wisdom of the rulers of this world, coming to their end. 7. “We tell the hidden wisdom of God, the wisdom that was concealed, and that was ordained by God to our glory before the worlds – 8. “and not one of the rulers of this world knows, for had they known it, they would not have crucified the honored lord. 9. “As it is written,
‘Which eye does not see and ear does not hear, nor does it occur to anyone [ולא עלה על לב איש]’ (~Isai.lxiv.4)
“all that God prepared for his beloved.”
10. “But by his spirit God revealed to us even the depths of God, because the spirit discovers everything.”
Chapter Three
10. “According to the grace of God that was given me I laid a foundation like a wise builder, and another built upon it. But take care everyone how he builds, 11. “for none can lay a foundation over the foundation that has been laid, which is Jesus the the Anointed one.”
12. “And every man, if he build on this foundation with gold or silver or precious stones or wood or block or straw – 13. “his work will be made clear, because the day will bring it to light, because it will be revealed in fire; and the fire will examine the work of each and every man.”
16. “Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the spirit of God dwells among you? 17. “If man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, because the temple of God is holy, and you are his temple.” … 21. “Therefore, do not praise any man. Behold, all things are yours: 22. “Saul, Apolos, Kaipha [Peter], the world, life, death, things that are in the present, things that are in the future – everything is yours; 23. “and you are of the Anointed one, and the Anointed one is of God.”
Chapter Four
5. “Therefore do not judge anything before the time that the lord comes, which will bring to light transgressions in darkness, and reveal thoughts of the heart. Then will be given the praise to all men from God.”
8. “You are already satiated! You are already rich! You reign without us! I wish that you reigned indeed so that we could reign with you too. 9. “As for us, the apostles, I guess that God set us last, sentenced to death; for we were a spectacle to the world, both to angels and men. 10. “We are fools because of the Anointed one, but you are wise in the Anointed one! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, but we are despised. 11. “To this very hour we are hungry and thirsty, naked and beaten; we wander from place to place, 12. “and toil in manual labor.”
“They revile us – we bless; persecute us – we bear that. 13. “They defame us, despite our encouraging words. We have been as refuse of the world, repulsive to all unto this day.”
19. “But I will come to you shortly, Lord willing, and I will see not the words of the haughty but their power. 20. “For the kingdom of God is not in speech, but in the power [δυναμει dunamei] of the work.”
Chapter Five
1. “All ears hear that there is fornication [πορνεια (porneia)] among you, fornication like which there is not even among the gentiles: a man took to himself his father’s wife.”
5. “Deliver this man to Satan, for the destruction of his body so that his spirit can be saved in the day of YHVH.”
13. “ God will judge those that are without; burn the evil that is within you.”
Chapter Six
2. “Do you not know that the saints will judge the world [κρονος kronos]? … 3. “Do you not know that we will judge angels? All the more so things related to daily life! … 6. “Instead, brother sues brother, and this before unbelievers! … 8. “And ever do evil to and defraud each other; to your brethren you do this!”
9. “Or what? Do you not know that evil doers will not inherit the kingdom of God?”
12. “Everything is permitted me, but not everything is useful. Everything is permitted me, but I will not be enslaved to anything. 13. “… the body is not for fornication, but for the lord, and the lord is for the body. 14. “and God will resurrect our lord, and in his power raise also us.”
Chapter Seven
“The whole chapter is dominated … by the expectation of the imminent Parousia. Responsibility toward children and the generations to come does not enter into the apostle’s calculations, for he thought of himself living not in the first century but in the last.” TIB X p. 76
1. “Regarding that which you wrote me: ‘It is good that a man refrains from a woman.’ 2. “Because of fornication, every man should marry a woman, and for every woman there should be a husband. … 5. “Do not restrain yourselves from one another without agreement for a specific time in order to turn to prayer. After that, resume and unite, lest Satan tempt you because of your inability to bridle the impulse.”
7. “Would that all men were like me, but to each his gift from God, one in this wise and another in that.”
10. “And I command the women (or rather the lord does): a wife is not to separate from her husband – 11. “but if separated, remain free or reconcile to her husband – and man is not to leave his wife.”
17. “Every man will live his life according to that which the Lord apportioned him, according to the station to which the Lord called him. Thus I command in every congregation.”
18. “If a man was called when he was circumcised, do no draw out his foreskin. 19. “It is neither the covenant that matters, nor the foreskin, but observance of God’s commandments.”
20. “Remain each in the position in which he was called. 21. “If you were called when you were a slave, do not worry. But if it is within your ability to go free, by all means take advantage of that.
…
25. “As for the virgins, I have no instructions from the lord, but I will state my opinion as one who has managed, by the mercies of the Lord, to be faithful.”
26. “I am of the opinion that because of the present distress it is better for a man to remain thus.” … 27. “If you are connected to a wife, do not seek to undo the connection. If you are not connected to a wife, do not seek a wife. 28. “But if you take yourself a wife, you do not sin. And the virgin, if she marries, she does not sin; it is only that they will have trouble in their flesh, and I pity them.”
29. “And I tell you brethren, the time presses. Therefore be, those that have wives, as though they have none, ... 31. “and be, those who benefit from this world [κοσμος kosmos], as though they do not; for the form of this world is perishing away.”
35. “This I tell you for your own good, not to burden you, but that you conduct yourselves enlightened, and devote yourselves to the lord without hindrance.”
39. “The wife is tied to he husband the whole time he lives. And if the husband dies, she is allowed to marry whomever she wants, as long as he is in the lord. 40. “But she would be better off to remain free. This is my opinion and my thought while the spirit of God was also in me.”
Chapter Eight
1. “Regarding sacrifices to idols, we know that ‘we all have an opinion’. Opinion derives from pride, but it is love that edifies.
… 4. “Therefore, regarding eating idol sacrifice, we know that there is no meaning to ‘idol’ in the world, and that there are no gods but one. 5. “And even if there are those known as ‘idols’, whether in heaven ore earth – as if there were various idols and lords – 6. “for us there is one God, the father, from whom is everything, including us, and one lord, Jesus the Anointed one, according to whom everything is arranged, and for whom we exist.”
… 7. “But not everyone knows this. There are people still used to idols, and eat the food as idol sacrificial, and since their conscience is weak, so he is defiled.”
Chapter Nine
16. “… when I herald the good news I have nothing in which to be praised, because my obligation is imposed upon me, and woe is me if I do not preach. 17. “If of my on accord I did this, a reward would be due me. But if not of my own accord, then the responsibility is put into my hands. 18. “So what is my reward? In this, that I herald the good tidings, and exhort it freely, without exploiting my rights as preacher!”
19. “But since I am slave to no man, I enslaved myself to all, in order to gather the many. 20. “For the sake of Jews I am as a Jew in order to gain Jews, to those under the Law I am as one under the Law, (although I am not under the Law), in order to reach those under the Law 21. “For the sake of those without the Law, I am as one without the Law, (although I do not stand without the Law of God, being under the law of the Anointed one) in order to reach those who do not have the Law. 22. “For the sake of the weak, I am weak, in order to reach the weak. I am everything for the sake of everyone, in order to save at least some of them.”
23. “But I do everything for the sake of the tidings, in order that there will be a place for me.”
Chapter 10
1. “Brethren, I do not want it to be lost upon you that all your fathers were under the cloud, and all of them passed within the sea, 2. “and all of them were baptized by Moses in cloud and sea. 3. “All of them ate the same spiritual food, 4. “and all of them drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from the spiritual rock that went with them, and this rock was the Anointed one.”
7. “Do not be worshippers of idols as were some of them, as is written:
‘and the people returned to drinking and eating, and they rose to play’
8. “Neither fornicate, as some of them fornicated, and on one day 23,000 of them fell.”
11. “What happened to them should be taken as an example, and it was written down to be a warning to us, we upon whom the end of the times has come [τα τελη τον αιον ta tele ton aion.
Chapter Eleven
3. “I want you to know that the head of all men is the Anointed one, and the head of woman is the man, and the head of the Anointed one is God.
4. “Any man who prays or prophesizes and his head is covered dishonors his head.”
5. “And any woman who prays or prophesizes bareheaded dishonors her head, such that she is as one who shaves the hair of her head. 6. “If the head of the woman is not covered, then it may as well be sheared, but if it embarrasses her to shear or shave her hair, she should cover it.”
7. “The man in not required to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God; but the woman, she is the glory of the man. 8. “For man is not of the woman, rather the woman is from the man. 9. “Furthermore, the man was not created for the sake of the woman; rather the woman was created for the man.
10. “Because of this, it is necessary that there be authority over the woman’s head, because of the angels.”
11. “And truly, in the lord [κuρια kuria], the woman is always dependent on man, and man always depends on the woman, 12. “for just as the woman is from the man, it is also true that the man is born from the woman, and everything is from God.”
13. “Judge for yourselves; is it proper for a woman to pray to God bareheaded?” 14. “Does not nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is to his shame? 15. “But the woman, if she has long hair, it is to her glory, for the hair was given her as a covering. 16. “… we do not have such a custom, neither do the assemblies of God.”
20. “And this: when you gather together in one place, it is not in order to eat the Lord’s Supper; 21. “for each begins to eat his meal, and as a result this one is hungry and that one is drunk [μεθυει methuei].” … 23. “For I received from the lord that which I also delivered to you, that the lord Jesus, in the night he was betrayed, took the bread, 24. “blessed it” [[but] “given thanks (ευχαριστεω) [eucharis] instead of ‘bless’ (ευλογεω) [eulogize] which stands in Mark” TIB X p. 137], “broke it, and said,
‘This is my body, broken for you, this do to my memory.’
25. “So he also took the cup after the meal, and said,
26. ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood, this do in my memory every time you drink.’”
Chapter Twelve
27. “You are the body and organs of the Anointed one, each man according to his appointment. 28. “And God appointed you from the assembly – first the emissaries [αποστολος apostles];”
“second, prophets;”
“third, teachers; after them miracle workers; after them gifts of healing, helpers [i.e. ‘social workers’], administrators, and polyglots [Γενη γλασσων].”
Chapter 13
1. “If I speak in tongues of men and angels, and have not within me love [αγαπη, agape], then I am like noisy brass or crashing cymbals.”
5. “… she does not seek her own good …”
Chapter 14
1. “Pursue love and crave spiritual gifts, especially prophecy. 2. “The speaker in tongues [γλοσσαι – glossai; the toungue being Hebrew according to Adam Clarke VI p. 262] doesn’t speak to people, but to God; no man understands him, for in spirit he utters secrets.” … 4. “The speaker in tongues edifies himself; the prophet edifies the assembly.” … 34. “The women are to be quiet in assemblies; they have not permission to speak, but are to humble themselves to authority, as also the Law says. 35. “And if they wish to learn something, they should ask their husbands at home, for it is unseemly that a woman speaks in assembly.”
Chapter 15
3. “I delivered to you, first and foremost, that which I also received, that the Anointed one died for our sins [I think this is the first time Paul suggest this reason for Jesus’ death], according to the scriptures, 4. “was buried and rose to life on the third day, according to the scriptures, 5. “was seen by Cephus [Peter], and after that by the twelve [δωδεχα dodekha], 6. “after that he was seen by more than 500 brethren at one time, of whom most still live and few have died. 7. “Later he was seen by Jacob (James), and after that by all the emissaries [apostles].”
21. “Just as death came at the hands of a man, so also is raising the dead at the hand of man. 22. “And just as in Adam all die, so also in the Anointed all live. 23. “But each according to his order, the first is the Anointed one, after him, when he comes, those connected with the Anointed one, 24. “after that the end, whereupon the kingdom will be delivered to God the Father, after all the governments, authorities, and rulers are destroyed. 25. “Because it is for him to rule until all his enemies are put under his feet. 26. “The last enemy to be overthrown is death. … 28. “And just as everything is put under Him, so also is the son himself subordinate to Him under whom is everything …”
32. “… if there is no raising of the dead, let us eat and drink, ‘for tomorrow we die’.”
35. “’But how are the dead raised?’ one asks, ‘In what body will they come?’”
39. “Not all flesh is the same; man has his flesh, animals a different flesh, birds a different flesh, and fish a different. 40. “There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but there is a difference between the glory of the heavenly body and the glory of earthly bodies. 41. “The sun has its glory, but the glory of the moon is different; and the glory of the stars is different, and stars differ from one another in glory.”
42. “Thus it is with raising the dead; that which was sown in corruption is raised incorrupt. … 44. “A soul body is sown [ψυχικος, psyche] but a spiritual body is raised [πνευμα pneuma] ...”
46. “The spiritual was not first; the soulful was, and after that the spiritual.”
47. “The first man was dust from the earth, the second man is from is from heaven [ouranios]. … 49. “And just as we wore the image of the earthly, we will wear the heavenly image also. 50. “I will say this, brethren; flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor can the corruptible inherit incorruptibility.”
51. “Now I will tell you a secret; we will not all die, but we will all change”
52. “in an instant [ατομος atomos] like an eye blink, in the last trumpet,”
“… the eschatological trumpet of Isa. 27:13 which will call back the dispersed to the worship at Jerusalem.” TIB X pp. 250 – 251
“when the ram’s horn [shophar] is blown and the dead rise incorruptible, and we [the still living] will be transformed. 53. “For those worthy, who are corruptible, will wear incorruptibility, and the mortal will wear immortality [αθανασια, athanasia],
54. “thus fulfilling the written word,
‘Death is swallowed up by victory. [Isaiah 25: 8] 55. Where is your sting, death? Where is your victory, death?’” [Hosea 13:14]
Chapter 16
22. “Whoever loves not the lord will be cursed [αναθεμα, anathema]! Come lord! [مرنش طش marana tha] 23. “My love to all of you in Jesus the Anointed one.”
TNJBC = The New Jerome Biblical Commentary, edited by Raymond E. Brown, S.S., Union Theological Seminary, New York, NY, Joseph A Fitzmyer, S. J. (emeritus) Catholic University of America, Washington DC, and Roland E. Murphey, O. Carm. (emeritus) The Divinity School, Duke University, Durham, NC, with a foreword by His Eminence Carlo Maria Cardinal martini, S.J., Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1990
A.C. = The New Testament of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The text carefully printed from the most correct copies of the present Authorized Version. Including the marginal readings and parallel texts. With a Commentary and Critical Notes. Designed as a help to a better understanding of the sacred writings. By Adam Clarke, LL.D. F.S.A. M.R.I.A. With a complete alphabetical index. Royal Octavo Stereotype Edition.[in six volumes] New York, Published by J. Emory and B. Waugh, for the Methodist Episcopal Church, at the conference office, 13 Crosby-Street. J. Collord, Printer. 1831.
TIB = The Interpreter’s Bible, The Holy Scriptures in the King James and Revised Standard versions with general articles and introduction, exegesis, [and] exposition for each book of the Bible in twelve volumes, George Arthur Buttrick, Commentary Editor, Walter Russell Bowie, Associate Editor of Exposition, Paul Scherer, Associate Editor of Exposition, John Knox Associate Editor of New Testament Introduction and Exegesis, Samuel Terrien, Associate Editor of Old Testament Introduction and Exegesis, Nolan B. Harmon Editor, Abingdon Press, copyright 1954 by Pierce and Washabaugh, set up printed, and bound by the Parthenon Press, at Nashville, Tennessee, Volume X
I've placed this here because it its really beyond the scope of what belongs in a WP article. I see it has been discussed on your talk page, and I know you're working in good-faith, so I think it's something that we can at least talk about and salvage. Carl.bunderson ( talk) 23:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I know its massive, but I feel like Mozart (in the movie) when the King told him that the piece he'd just played had too many notes. I am so new to Wikipedia that I have no idea what the parameters are, and, will admit, that I've been more interested in putting this stuff up willy nilly than in learing the conventions of the medium. P.S. - I am not even sure if this is how to begin a correspondece about salvage. A Georgian ( talk) 04:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
What's with the tag on the front? I see nothing here on the talk page to warrant it? Unless I'm just missing it.. could someone enlighten me? T Berg Drop a Line ޗ pls 04:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
The Content section is not neutral. After a summary of 1 Corinthians, this unrelated and completely out of place commentary appears,
"According to a writer cited by the author of the Easton's Bible Dictionary, this epistle
shows the powerful self-control of the apostle in spite of his physical weakness, his distressed circumstances, his incessant troubles, and his emotional nature. It was written, he tells us, in bitter anguish, "out of much affliction and pressure of heart ... and with streaming eyes" (2 Cor 2:4); yet he restrained the expression of his feelings, and wrote with a dignity and holy calm which he thought most calculated to win back his erring children. It gives a vivid picture of the early church ... It entirely dissipates the dream that the apostolic church was in an exceptional condition of holiness of life or purity of doctrine.
The author of the Easton's article concludes, "Many Christians today still find this letter to speak to modern-day problems within church communities."
If comments like this are to be included they should be in another section along with other opinions, both positive and negative.
Personally, I would remove it since we don't even know who, "a writer cited by the author of the Easton's Bible Dictionary," is. Louieoddie ( talk) 14:07, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I removed the section I mentioned above. Accordingly, I have also removed the neutrality banner that I had placed at the beginning of the content section. I still think it lacks neutrality and varying points of view. I think the whole article does. It also lacks citations. The whole article reads more like a sermon or an apologetic than an encyclopedia article. I have added a new banner to the top of the entire article that will hopefully encourage more people to contribute. Louieoddie ( talk) 02:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
What is the original language of this book of the bible? Generally, I would have assumed that all books of the bible were written in either Hebrew or Aramaic. All the books of the Jewish Bible are, as far as I am aware. If this was originally in Greek, this should be made explicit, so that those (like myself) who are not Christian and are reading it will understand that quotes from this book, in Greek, reflect the original, and not a Septuagint translation of Hebrew/Aramaic. LordAmeth ( talk) 19:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
In this epistle, Paul breaks with the Pharisaic belief that justice is the highest virtue, and elevates instead charity. Around the same year Paul wrote this epistle, the stoic philosopher Seneca wrote De Clementia, also replacing the stoic virtue of justice with that of mercy. Has anyone ever suggested that paul was influenced by Seneca? Or perhaps that there was just tome new discourse privileging charity or mercy, emerging in the Roman world? Slrubenstein | Talk 23:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I wonder about the focus and quality here given that it starts by saying this includes "some of the most famous phrases" of the NT and then neglects the most famous of all, 1 Corinthians 11:24: This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me.. If that is missing, I wonder how many more errors there are.... History2007 ( talk) 19:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
All the discussion is about content and interpretation, none about where and when were the original texts found, in which manuscripts, and who do they compare? Tremendous oversight in an scholarly article. -- ROO BOOKAROO
To be clearer: there seems to be four sets of dates related to this document:
-- ROO BOOKAROO ( talk) 13:28, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
I cannot change the code, dont know how, the page does not need to mention a football team as it does not bear the same name, the disambig link is enough.-- Inayity ( talk) 16:02, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
The first line of the authorship section of this article is as follows,
"There is consensus among historians and Christian theologians that Paul is the author of the First Epistle to the Corinthians, classifying its authorship as "undisputed" (see Authorship of the Pauline epistles)."
You will notice that no names are given for these historians or theologians. Instead of including any in-line citations there is a link to an article on Wikipedia. The section in the referenced article that addresses this book of the New Testament does not agree with this article or even with itself. As you can see,
"Undisputed epistles
The name "undisputed" epistles represents the traditional scholarly consensus asserting that Paul authored each letter.[1][2] However, even the least disputed of letters, such as Galatians, have found critics.[12] Moreover, the unity of the letters is questioned by some scholars. First and Second Corinthians have garnered particular suspicion, with some scholars, among them Edgar Goodspeed and Norman Perrin, supposing one or both texts as we have them today are actually amalgamations of multiple individual letters. There remains considerable discussion as to the presence of possible significant interpolations. However, such textual corruption is difficult to detect and even more so to verify, leaving little agreement as to the extent of the epistles' integrity. See also Radical Criticism, which maintains that the external evidence for attributing any of the letters to Paul is so weak, that it should be considered that all the letters appearing in the Marcion canon were written in Paul's name by members of the Marcionite Church and were afterwards edited and adopted by the Catholic Church.
These seven letters are quoted or mentioned by the earliest of sources, and are included in every ancient canon, including that of Marcion (c.140).[13] There is no record of scholarly doubt concerning authorship until the 19th century when, around 1840, German scholar Ferdinand Christian Baur accepted only four of the letters bearing Paul's name as genuine, which he called the Hauptebriefe (Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, and Galatians). Hilgenfeld (1875) and H. J. Holtzmann (1885) instead accepted the seven letters listed above, adding Philemon, 1 Thessalonians, and Philippians. Few scholars have argued against this list of seven epistles, which all share common themes, emphasis, vocabulary and style. They also exhibit a uniformity of doctrine concerning the Mosaic Law, Christ, and faith."
The First paragraph disagrees with this article and the second paragraph appears to be arguing with the first. I assume that the referenced article originally agreed with this article but with the changing nature of Wikipedia it would really be better to rely on outside sources.
Also, the first paragraph in the reference would perhaps suggest that this article should not represent the authorship of 1 Corinthians as completely undisputed since apparently it is not. Louieoddie ( talk) 12:31, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the "Composition" section has no in-line citation at all, outside of bible references. It includes sentences like these,
"This statement, in turn, is CLEARLY REMINISCENT of Paul's Second Missionary Journey, when Paul traveled from Corinth to Ephesus, before going to Jerusalem for Pentecost (cf. Acts 18:22). THUS, IT IS POSSIBLE that I Corinthians was written during Paul's first (brief) stay in Ephesus, at the end of his Second Journey, usually dated to early 54 AD." (Caps added for emphasis)
There are no scholarly references. Clearly someone's opinions are being expressed but who's? It looks to be someones independent research using mostly a bible. Louieoddie ( talk) 13:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
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However, the epistle does contain a passage that is widely believed to have been interpolated into the text by a later scribe: As in all the churches of the saints, women should be silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as the law also says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
— 1 Corinthians 14:34–35, NRSV
Is this accurate. This study describes things as an 'hypothesis'. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/014610790003000204 I am unsure that this is closed to being a settled issue, but I have not done much research in this area. Thoughts? Thanks Bedfordres ( talk) 18:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
The 1 Corinthians 1, 1 Corinthians 2, 1 Corinthians 3, 1 Corinthians 4, 1 Corinthians 5, 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Corinthians 7, 1 Corinthians 8, 1 Corinthians 9, 1 Corinthians 10, 1 Corinthians 11, 1 Corinthians 12, 1 Corinthians 13, 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Corinthians 15, 1 Corinthians 16 had been restored from the redirects here to full former size by User7778. This has created a large amount of duplication. I think that the listed articles should be WP:BLARed again, but have not seen any discussion on the merge here performed by Beland. If someone knows had seen the discussion, let me know. Викидим ( talk) 22:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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I son't see the point of the photograph. A Georgian ( talk) 17:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
The four-part division is arbitrary and interferes with discussing the actual content. -- Wetman 22:14, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
The textual criticism is questionable. The comment that most scholars don't attribute Timothy 1 and 2 to Paul is misleading. An appeal to "most scholars" is not verifyable. Many New Testament scholars (including Ben Witherington III) argue for authorship from within Paul's inner circle of associates (that is on Paul's behalf and with Paul's direction). Other scholars attribute the text directly to Paul's hand. Either way, it is clear that there is not unanimity among scholars.
Since the previous outline was so bad, I started from scratch. Here's the original stuff if someone wants to reintroduce it. -- JBJ830726 23:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
The verses 14:33-34 deal with the role and behavior of women in the church, that women are to keep silent, and are regarded by some to be an interpolation written by someone other than Paul. Some believe that the topic of line 33, of prophesying, appears to be disrupted by the dialogue concerning women, only to be picked up again at line 14:36. Further, these restrictions against women's authority mirror the language and tone of similar restrictions in First Timothy, which is considered by most scholars to be of non-Pauline origin.
we missed an important point in this article. Paul was questioing thwm why the corinthian church not believing jesus resurrection. I think he is communicating with the Jewish chritian churth who denies resurrection ot divinity of Jesus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.147.0.172 ( talk) 11:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Is there any possibility of using a more scholarly, inclusive language and modern Bible source? The KJV/AV Bible is hardly a suitable source for serious Theological study
A pretty thorough exegesis has been added based on a new translation. I would not be so hard on the KJV, though, its shortcomings have more to do with the manuscripts available at the time than with its precision, which is usually excellent, and sometimes preferable to, say, the RSV. 74.184.50.87 ( talk) 16:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I would be hard on the KJV, considering that it was not a translation to begin with. Taking the Geneva Bible and removing notes does not constitute a translation. Plus, to say its precision is excellent assumes that word-for-word translations are appropriate, when in fact all discourse analysis and communication study says that only a meaning-for-meaning translation of any text can be faithful to an original message. Covinben ( talk) 21:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Of the four quotes at the start of the article ("all things to all men" (9:22), "without love, I am nothing" (13:2), "through a glass, darkly" (13:12), and "when I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child" (13:11).), only two are from the KJV. In the KJV, 1 Cor 13:2 has "have not charity" rather than "without love", and 1 Cor 13:11 has "spake... understood... thought" instead of "spoke... felt... thought". (KJV text for comparison here: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2013&version=KJV) WikiwikiwikiwikiWildWildWest ( talk) 21:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
1 Corinthians 7:3-5 (New International Version)
3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
Should the above controversial passage noted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.25.175 ( talk) 04:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to see the information about verses 14:33-34 (the role and behavior of
women in the church) incorporated in the article. I don't have online references but I listened to a lecture series on CD ("The New Testament," by Bart Ehrman,
ISBN
1-56585-366-0) where he relates the same information as in the original outline. He also says that it comes after verse 40 in some manuscripts and that it may have originally been a margin note that a scribe somewhere along the way added to the text.
Why was the contribution made by 74.218.82.170 reverted by Neutralle? A Georgian ( talk) 16:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
1 Corinthians 9:22 reads, "To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some."
St. Paul's above explanation of his philosophy for winning converts has since acquired a pejorative connotation: today it is more often said that trying to be "all things to all men" is not desirable.[* "All things to all men" at phrases.org]
Moved to discussion because it does not seem appropriate for the page. Interpretation of the Bible is not a purpose that a encyclopedia should serve.~
I'm on a mission to bring down the weasel-words tag! All we have to do is change a few sentances so that it would make sense to someone of any faith. For example, "Paul argued against their erroneous beliefs" would only make sense from a Christian viewpoint. "Paul considered their beliefs un-Christian and argued strongly against them" is more NPOV, and still conveys the same meaning. As a test, maybe some non-Christian readers out there could read this article and give us their feedback. Anyone? -- Glistenray 02:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Chapter One
1. “From Paul … and from Sostainos our brother,”
2. “to the assembly of God in Corinth, to those that were separated in the Anointed one [Christ, the messiah] Jesus and were called to be saints together with all those called”
“in all places in the name of our lord Jesus the Anointed one.”
“Our lord is their lord.”
3. “Grace and peace to you from the God our father, and the lord Jesus the Anointed one.”
7. “… you lack no spiritual gift in your expectation of the revelation [αποκαλυψις, apocalypse] of our lord Jesus the Anointed one.”
9. “Faithful is the God who called you to the fellowship of his son, Jesus the Anointed one, our lord.”
10. “Brethren, I implore of you, in the name of our lord Jesus the Anointed one that you be, all of you, of one opinion in your utterances … stand united in the same thinking and in the same doctrine.”
12. “I am referring to the fact that each of you say, ‘I am associated with Saul’, or, ‘I am with Apolos’, ‘I am of Peter', and ‘I am of the Anointed’.”
18. “… the word [λογος logos] of the cross is foolishness in the eyes of those perishing, but to us, the saved, it is the power of God.”
…
20. “Where is the sophist [σοφων sophon]? Where is the expert in the law [γραμμουτευς τον σαιο grammouteus ton saio]. Where is the polemicist [Συξητηγης Suzeteges] of this world [αιων aion]? Has not God made the wisdom of the world [κοσμος kosmos] foolish?”
22. “Behold, the Jews request signs and the Greeks seek wisdom …”
23. “But we preach The Anointed one crucified, a stumbling stone to Jews, and foolishness in the eyes of the Greeks.”
Chapter Two
6. “We speak wisdom among the mature [τελειοις teleiois], but not the wisdom of this world [αιωνος ]”,
“nor the wisdom of the rulers of this world, coming to their end. 7. “We tell the hidden wisdom of God, the wisdom that was concealed, and that was ordained by God to our glory before the worlds – 8. “and not one of the rulers of this world knows, for had they known it, they would not have crucified the honored lord. 9. “As it is written,
‘Which eye does not see and ear does not hear, nor does it occur to anyone [ולא עלה על לב איש]’ (~Isai.lxiv.4)
“all that God prepared for his beloved.”
10. “But by his spirit God revealed to us even the depths of God, because the spirit discovers everything.”
Chapter Three
10. “According to the grace of God that was given me I laid a foundation like a wise builder, and another built upon it. But take care everyone how he builds, 11. “for none can lay a foundation over the foundation that has been laid, which is Jesus the the Anointed one.”
12. “And every man, if he build on this foundation with gold or silver or precious stones or wood or block or straw – 13. “his work will be made clear, because the day will bring it to light, because it will be revealed in fire; and the fire will examine the work of each and every man.”
16. “Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the spirit of God dwells among you? 17. “If man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, because the temple of God is holy, and you are his temple.” … 21. “Therefore, do not praise any man. Behold, all things are yours: 22. “Saul, Apolos, Kaipha [Peter], the world, life, death, things that are in the present, things that are in the future – everything is yours; 23. “and you are of the Anointed one, and the Anointed one is of God.”
Chapter Four
5. “Therefore do not judge anything before the time that the lord comes, which will bring to light transgressions in darkness, and reveal thoughts of the heart. Then will be given the praise to all men from God.”
8. “You are already satiated! You are already rich! You reign without us! I wish that you reigned indeed so that we could reign with you too. 9. “As for us, the apostles, I guess that God set us last, sentenced to death; for we were a spectacle to the world, both to angels and men. 10. “We are fools because of the Anointed one, but you are wise in the Anointed one! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, but we are despised. 11. “To this very hour we are hungry and thirsty, naked and beaten; we wander from place to place, 12. “and toil in manual labor.”
“They revile us – we bless; persecute us – we bear that. 13. “They defame us, despite our encouraging words. We have been as refuse of the world, repulsive to all unto this day.”
19. “But I will come to you shortly, Lord willing, and I will see not the words of the haughty but their power. 20. “For the kingdom of God is not in speech, but in the power [δυναμει dunamei] of the work.”
Chapter Five
1. “All ears hear that there is fornication [πορνεια (porneia)] among you, fornication like which there is not even among the gentiles: a man took to himself his father’s wife.”
5. “Deliver this man to Satan, for the destruction of his body so that his spirit can be saved in the day of YHVH.”
13. “ God will judge those that are without; burn the evil that is within you.”
Chapter Six
2. “Do you not know that the saints will judge the world [κρονος kronos]? … 3. “Do you not know that we will judge angels? All the more so things related to daily life! … 6. “Instead, brother sues brother, and this before unbelievers! … 8. “And ever do evil to and defraud each other; to your brethren you do this!”
9. “Or what? Do you not know that evil doers will not inherit the kingdom of God?”
12. “Everything is permitted me, but not everything is useful. Everything is permitted me, but I will not be enslaved to anything. 13. “… the body is not for fornication, but for the lord, and the lord is for the body. 14. “and God will resurrect our lord, and in his power raise also us.”
Chapter Seven
“The whole chapter is dominated … by the expectation of the imminent Parousia. Responsibility toward children and the generations to come does not enter into the apostle’s calculations, for he thought of himself living not in the first century but in the last.” TIB X p. 76
1. “Regarding that which you wrote me: ‘It is good that a man refrains from a woman.’ 2. “Because of fornication, every man should marry a woman, and for every woman there should be a husband. … 5. “Do not restrain yourselves from one another without agreement for a specific time in order to turn to prayer. After that, resume and unite, lest Satan tempt you because of your inability to bridle the impulse.”
7. “Would that all men were like me, but to each his gift from God, one in this wise and another in that.”
10. “And I command the women (or rather the lord does): a wife is not to separate from her husband – 11. “but if separated, remain free or reconcile to her husband – and man is not to leave his wife.”
17. “Every man will live his life according to that which the Lord apportioned him, according to the station to which the Lord called him. Thus I command in every congregation.”
18. “If a man was called when he was circumcised, do no draw out his foreskin. 19. “It is neither the covenant that matters, nor the foreskin, but observance of God’s commandments.”
20. “Remain each in the position in which he was called. 21. “If you were called when you were a slave, do not worry. But if it is within your ability to go free, by all means take advantage of that.
…
25. “As for the virgins, I have no instructions from the lord, but I will state my opinion as one who has managed, by the mercies of the Lord, to be faithful.”
26. “I am of the opinion that because of the present distress it is better for a man to remain thus.” … 27. “If you are connected to a wife, do not seek to undo the connection. If you are not connected to a wife, do not seek a wife. 28. “But if you take yourself a wife, you do not sin. And the virgin, if she marries, she does not sin; it is only that they will have trouble in their flesh, and I pity them.”
29. “And I tell you brethren, the time presses. Therefore be, those that have wives, as though they have none, ... 31. “and be, those who benefit from this world [κοσμος kosmos], as though they do not; for the form of this world is perishing away.”
35. “This I tell you for your own good, not to burden you, but that you conduct yourselves enlightened, and devote yourselves to the lord without hindrance.”
39. “The wife is tied to he husband the whole time he lives. And if the husband dies, she is allowed to marry whomever she wants, as long as he is in the lord. 40. “But she would be better off to remain free. This is my opinion and my thought while the spirit of God was also in me.”
Chapter Eight
1. “Regarding sacrifices to idols, we know that ‘we all have an opinion’. Opinion derives from pride, but it is love that edifies.
… 4. “Therefore, regarding eating idol sacrifice, we know that there is no meaning to ‘idol’ in the world, and that there are no gods but one. 5. “And even if there are those known as ‘idols’, whether in heaven ore earth – as if there were various idols and lords – 6. “for us there is one God, the father, from whom is everything, including us, and one lord, Jesus the Anointed one, according to whom everything is arranged, and for whom we exist.”
… 7. “But not everyone knows this. There are people still used to idols, and eat the food as idol sacrificial, and since their conscience is weak, so he is defiled.”
Chapter Nine
16. “… when I herald the good news I have nothing in which to be praised, because my obligation is imposed upon me, and woe is me if I do not preach. 17. “If of my on accord I did this, a reward would be due me. But if not of my own accord, then the responsibility is put into my hands. 18. “So what is my reward? In this, that I herald the good tidings, and exhort it freely, without exploiting my rights as preacher!”
19. “But since I am slave to no man, I enslaved myself to all, in order to gather the many. 20. “For the sake of Jews I am as a Jew in order to gain Jews, to those under the Law I am as one under the Law, (although I am not under the Law), in order to reach those under the Law 21. “For the sake of those without the Law, I am as one without the Law, (although I do not stand without the Law of God, being under the law of the Anointed one) in order to reach those who do not have the Law. 22. “For the sake of the weak, I am weak, in order to reach the weak. I am everything for the sake of everyone, in order to save at least some of them.”
23. “But I do everything for the sake of the tidings, in order that there will be a place for me.”
Chapter 10
1. “Brethren, I do not want it to be lost upon you that all your fathers were under the cloud, and all of them passed within the sea, 2. “and all of them were baptized by Moses in cloud and sea. 3. “All of them ate the same spiritual food, 4. “and all of them drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from the spiritual rock that went with them, and this rock was the Anointed one.”
7. “Do not be worshippers of idols as were some of them, as is written:
‘and the people returned to drinking and eating, and they rose to play’
8. “Neither fornicate, as some of them fornicated, and on one day 23,000 of them fell.”
11. “What happened to them should be taken as an example, and it was written down to be a warning to us, we upon whom the end of the times has come [τα τελη τον αιον ta tele ton aion.
Chapter Eleven
3. “I want you to know that the head of all men is the Anointed one, and the head of woman is the man, and the head of the Anointed one is God.
4. “Any man who prays or prophesizes and his head is covered dishonors his head.”
5. “And any woman who prays or prophesizes bareheaded dishonors her head, such that she is as one who shaves the hair of her head. 6. “If the head of the woman is not covered, then it may as well be sheared, but if it embarrasses her to shear or shave her hair, she should cover it.”
7. “The man in not required to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God; but the woman, she is the glory of the man. 8. “For man is not of the woman, rather the woman is from the man. 9. “Furthermore, the man was not created for the sake of the woman; rather the woman was created for the man.
10. “Because of this, it is necessary that there be authority over the woman’s head, because of the angels.”
11. “And truly, in the lord [κuρια kuria], the woman is always dependent on man, and man always depends on the woman, 12. “for just as the woman is from the man, it is also true that the man is born from the woman, and everything is from God.”
13. “Judge for yourselves; is it proper for a woman to pray to God bareheaded?” 14. “Does not nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is to his shame? 15. “But the woman, if she has long hair, it is to her glory, for the hair was given her as a covering. 16. “… we do not have such a custom, neither do the assemblies of God.”
20. “And this: when you gather together in one place, it is not in order to eat the Lord’s Supper; 21. “for each begins to eat his meal, and as a result this one is hungry and that one is drunk [μεθυει methuei].” … 23. “For I received from the lord that which I also delivered to you, that the lord Jesus, in the night he was betrayed, took the bread, 24. “blessed it” [[but] “given thanks (ευχαριστεω) [eucharis] instead of ‘bless’ (ευλογεω) [eulogize] which stands in Mark” TIB X p. 137], “broke it, and said,
‘This is my body, broken for you, this do to my memory.’
25. “So he also took the cup after the meal, and said,
26. ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood, this do in my memory every time you drink.’”
Chapter Twelve
27. “You are the body and organs of the Anointed one, each man according to his appointment. 28. “And God appointed you from the assembly – first the emissaries [αποστολος apostles];”
“second, prophets;”
“third, teachers; after them miracle workers; after them gifts of healing, helpers [i.e. ‘social workers’], administrators, and polyglots [Γενη γλασσων].”
Chapter 13
1. “If I speak in tongues of men and angels, and have not within me love [αγαπη, agape], then I am like noisy brass or crashing cymbals.”
5. “… she does not seek her own good …”
Chapter 14
1. “Pursue love and crave spiritual gifts, especially prophecy. 2. “The speaker in tongues [γλοσσαι – glossai; the toungue being Hebrew according to Adam Clarke VI p. 262] doesn’t speak to people, but to God; no man understands him, for in spirit he utters secrets.” … 4. “The speaker in tongues edifies himself; the prophet edifies the assembly.” … 34. “The women are to be quiet in assemblies; they have not permission to speak, but are to humble themselves to authority, as also the Law says. 35. “And if they wish to learn something, they should ask their husbands at home, for it is unseemly that a woman speaks in assembly.”
Chapter 15
3. “I delivered to you, first and foremost, that which I also received, that the Anointed one died for our sins [I think this is the first time Paul suggest this reason for Jesus’ death], according to the scriptures, 4. “was buried and rose to life on the third day, according to the scriptures, 5. “was seen by Cephus [Peter], and after that by the twelve [δωδεχα dodekha], 6. “after that he was seen by more than 500 brethren at one time, of whom most still live and few have died. 7. “Later he was seen by Jacob (James), and after that by all the emissaries [apostles].”
21. “Just as death came at the hands of a man, so also is raising the dead at the hand of man. 22. “And just as in Adam all die, so also in the Anointed all live. 23. “But each according to his order, the first is the Anointed one, after him, when he comes, those connected with the Anointed one, 24. “after that the end, whereupon the kingdom will be delivered to God the Father, after all the governments, authorities, and rulers are destroyed. 25. “Because it is for him to rule until all his enemies are put under his feet. 26. “The last enemy to be overthrown is death. … 28. “And just as everything is put under Him, so also is the son himself subordinate to Him under whom is everything …”
32. “… if there is no raising of the dead, let us eat and drink, ‘for tomorrow we die’.”
35. “’But how are the dead raised?’ one asks, ‘In what body will they come?’”
39. “Not all flesh is the same; man has his flesh, animals a different flesh, birds a different flesh, and fish a different. 40. “There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but there is a difference between the glory of the heavenly body and the glory of earthly bodies. 41. “The sun has its glory, but the glory of the moon is different; and the glory of the stars is different, and stars differ from one another in glory.”
42. “Thus it is with raising the dead; that which was sown in corruption is raised incorrupt. … 44. “A soul body is sown [ψυχικος, psyche] but a spiritual body is raised [πνευμα pneuma] ...”
46. “The spiritual was not first; the soulful was, and after that the spiritual.”
47. “The first man was dust from the earth, the second man is from is from heaven [ouranios]. … 49. “And just as we wore the image of the earthly, we will wear the heavenly image also. 50. “I will say this, brethren; flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor can the corruptible inherit incorruptibility.”
51. “Now I will tell you a secret; we will not all die, but we will all change”
52. “in an instant [ατομος atomos] like an eye blink, in the last trumpet,”
“… the eschatological trumpet of Isa. 27:13 which will call back the dispersed to the worship at Jerusalem.” TIB X pp. 250 – 251
“when the ram’s horn [shophar] is blown and the dead rise incorruptible, and we [the still living] will be transformed. 53. “For those worthy, who are corruptible, will wear incorruptibility, and the mortal will wear immortality [αθανασια, athanasia],
54. “thus fulfilling the written word,
‘Death is swallowed up by victory. [Isaiah 25: 8] 55. Where is your sting, death? Where is your victory, death?’” [Hosea 13:14]
Chapter 16
22. “Whoever loves not the lord will be cursed [αναθεμα, anathema]! Come lord! [مرنش طش marana tha] 23. “My love to all of you in Jesus the Anointed one.”
TNJBC = The New Jerome Biblical Commentary, edited by Raymond E. Brown, S.S., Union Theological Seminary, New York, NY, Joseph A Fitzmyer, S. J. (emeritus) Catholic University of America, Washington DC, and Roland E. Murphey, O. Carm. (emeritus) The Divinity School, Duke University, Durham, NC, with a foreword by His Eminence Carlo Maria Cardinal martini, S.J., Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1990
A.C. = The New Testament of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The text carefully printed from the most correct copies of the present Authorized Version. Including the marginal readings and parallel texts. With a Commentary and Critical Notes. Designed as a help to a better understanding of the sacred writings. By Adam Clarke, LL.D. F.S.A. M.R.I.A. With a complete alphabetical index. Royal Octavo Stereotype Edition.[in six volumes] New York, Published by J. Emory and B. Waugh, for the Methodist Episcopal Church, at the conference office, 13 Crosby-Street. J. Collord, Printer. 1831.
TIB = The Interpreter’s Bible, The Holy Scriptures in the King James and Revised Standard versions with general articles and introduction, exegesis, [and] exposition for each book of the Bible in twelve volumes, George Arthur Buttrick, Commentary Editor, Walter Russell Bowie, Associate Editor of Exposition, Paul Scherer, Associate Editor of Exposition, John Knox Associate Editor of New Testament Introduction and Exegesis, Samuel Terrien, Associate Editor of Old Testament Introduction and Exegesis, Nolan B. Harmon Editor, Abingdon Press, copyright 1954 by Pierce and Washabaugh, set up printed, and bound by the Parthenon Press, at Nashville, Tennessee, Volume X
I've placed this here because it its really beyond the scope of what belongs in a WP article. I see it has been discussed on your talk page, and I know you're working in good-faith, so I think it's something that we can at least talk about and salvage. Carl.bunderson ( talk) 23:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I know its massive, but I feel like Mozart (in the movie) when the King told him that the piece he'd just played had too many notes. I am so new to Wikipedia that I have no idea what the parameters are, and, will admit, that I've been more interested in putting this stuff up willy nilly than in learing the conventions of the medium. P.S. - I am not even sure if this is how to begin a correspondece about salvage. A Georgian ( talk) 04:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
What's with the tag on the front? I see nothing here on the talk page to warrant it? Unless I'm just missing it.. could someone enlighten me? T Berg Drop a Line ޗ pls 04:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
The Content section is not neutral. After a summary of 1 Corinthians, this unrelated and completely out of place commentary appears,
"According to a writer cited by the author of the Easton's Bible Dictionary, this epistle
shows the powerful self-control of the apostle in spite of his physical weakness, his distressed circumstances, his incessant troubles, and his emotional nature. It was written, he tells us, in bitter anguish, "out of much affliction and pressure of heart ... and with streaming eyes" (2 Cor 2:4); yet he restrained the expression of his feelings, and wrote with a dignity and holy calm which he thought most calculated to win back his erring children. It gives a vivid picture of the early church ... It entirely dissipates the dream that the apostolic church was in an exceptional condition of holiness of life or purity of doctrine.
The author of the Easton's article concludes, "Many Christians today still find this letter to speak to modern-day problems within church communities."
If comments like this are to be included they should be in another section along with other opinions, both positive and negative.
Personally, I would remove it since we don't even know who, "a writer cited by the author of the Easton's Bible Dictionary," is. Louieoddie ( talk) 14:07, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I removed the section I mentioned above. Accordingly, I have also removed the neutrality banner that I had placed at the beginning of the content section. I still think it lacks neutrality and varying points of view. I think the whole article does. It also lacks citations. The whole article reads more like a sermon or an apologetic than an encyclopedia article. I have added a new banner to the top of the entire article that will hopefully encourage more people to contribute. Louieoddie ( talk) 02:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
What is the original language of this book of the bible? Generally, I would have assumed that all books of the bible were written in either Hebrew or Aramaic. All the books of the Jewish Bible are, as far as I am aware. If this was originally in Greek, this should be made explicit, so that those (like myself) who are not Christian and are reading it will understand that quotes from this book, in Greek, reflect the original, and not a Septuagint translation of Hebrew/Aramaic. LordAmeth ( talk) 19:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
In this epistle, Paul breaks with the Pharisaic belief that justice is the highest virtue, and elevates instead charity. Around the same year Paul wrote this epistle, the stoic philosopher Seneca wrote De Clementia, also replacing the stoic virtue of justice with that of mercy. Has anyone ever suggested that paul was influenced by Seneca? Or perhaps that there was just tome new discourse privileging charity or mercy, emerging in the Roman world? Slrubenstein | Talk 23:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I wonder about the focus and quality here given that it starts by saying this includes "some of the most famous phrases" of the NT and then neglects the most famous of all, 1 Corinthians 11:24: This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me.. If that is missing, I wonder how many more errors there are.... History2007 ( talk) 19:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
All the discussion is about content and interpretation, none about where and when were the original texts found, in which manuscripts, and who do they compare? Tremendous oversight in an scholarly article. -- ROO BOOKAROO
To be clearer: there seems to be four sets of dates related to this document:
-- ROO BOOKAROO ( talk) 13:28, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
I cannot change the code, dont know how, the page does not need to mention a football team as it does not bear the same name, the disambig link is enough.-- Inayity ( talk) 16:02, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
The first line of the authorship section of this article is as follows,
"There is consensus among historians and Christian theologians that Paul is the author of the First Epistle to the Corinthians, classifying its authorship as "undisputed" (see Authorship of the Pauline epistles)."
You will notice that no names are given for these historians or theologians. Instead of including any in-line citations there is a link to an article on Wikipedia. The section in the referenced article that addresses this book of the New Testament does not agree with this article or even with itself. As you can see,
"Undisputed epistles
The name "undisputed" epistles represents the traditional scholarly consensus asserting that Paul authored each letter.[1][2] However, even the least disputed of letters, such as Galatians, have found critics.[12] Moreover, the unity of the letters is questioned by some scholars. First and Second Corinthians have garnered particular suspicion, with some scholars, among them Edgar Goodspeed and Norman Perrin, supposing one or both texts as we have them today are actually amalgamations of multiple individual letters. There remains considerable discussion as to the presence of possible significant interpolations. However, such textual corruption is difficult to detect and even more so to verify, leaving little agreement as to the extent of the epistles' integrity. See also Radical Criticism, which maintains that the external evidence for attributing any of the letters to Paul is so weak, that it should be considered that all the letters appearing in the Marcion canon were written in Paul's name by members of the Marcionite Church and were afterwards edited and adopted by the Catholic Church.
These seven letters are quoted or mentioned by the earliest of sources, and are included in every ancient canon, including that of Marcion (c.140).[13] There is no record of scholarly doubt concerning authorship until the 19th century when, around 1840, German scholar Ferdinand Christian Baur accepted only four of the letters bearing Paul's name as genuine, which he called the Hauptebriefe (Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, and Galatians). Hilgenfeld (1875) and H. J. Holtzmann (1885) instead accepted the seven letters listed above, adding Philemon, 1 Thessalonians, and Philippians. Few scholars have argued against this list of seven epistles, which all share common themes, emphasis, vocabulary and style. They also exhibit a uniformity of doctrine concerning the Mosaic Law, Christ, and faith."
The First paragraph disagrees with this article and the second paragraph appears to be arguing with the first. I assume that the referenced article originally agreed with this article but with the changing nature of Wikipedia it would really be better to rely on outside sources.
Also, the first paragraph in the reference would perhaps suggest that this article should not represent the authorship of 1 Corinthians as completely undisputed since apparently it is not. Louieoddie ( talk) 12:31, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the "Composition" section has no in-line citation at all, outside of bible references. It includes sentences like these,
"This statement, in turn, is CLEARLY REMINISCENT of Paul's Second Missionary Journey, when Paul traveled from Corinth to Ephesus, before going to Jerusalem for Pentecost (cf. Acts 18:22). THUS, IT IS POSSIBLE that I Corinthians was written during Paul's first (brief) stay in Ephesus, at the end of his Second Journey, usually dated to early 54 AD." (Caps added for emphasis)
There are no scholarly references. Clearly someone's opinions are being expressed but who's? It looks to be someones independent research using mostly a bible. Louieoddie ( talk) 13:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Epistle to the Romans which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 16:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
However, the epistle does contain a passage that is widely believed to have been interpolated into the text by a later scribe: As in all the churches of the saints, women should be silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as the law also says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
— 1 Corinthians 14:34–35, NRSV
Is this accurate. This study describes things as an 'hypothesis'. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/014610790003000204 I am unsure that this is closed to being a settled issue, but I have not done much research in this area. Thoughts? Thanks Bedfordres ( talk) 18:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
The 1 Corinthians 1, 1 Corinthians 2, 1 Corinthians 3, 1 Corinthians 4, 1 Corinthians 5, 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Corinthians 7, 1 Corinthians 8, 1 Corinthians 9, 1 Corinthians 10, 1 Corinthians 11, 1 Corinthians 12, 1 Corinthians 13, 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Corinthians 15, 1 Corinthians 16 had been restored from the redirects here to full former size by User7778. This has created a large amount of duplication. I think that the listed articles should be WP:BLARed again, but have not seen any discussion on the merge here performed by Beland. If someone knows had seen the discussion, let me know. Викидим ( talk) 22:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)