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I have been unable to locate the reference:
"3. Cote, Arthur. "History of Fire Protection Engineering". Fire Protection Engineering."
Should it read?:
History of fire protection engineering
Author: J Kenneth Richardson; National Fire Protection Association.; Society of Fire Protection Engineers.
Publisher: Quincy, Mass. : National Fire Protection Association ; Bethesda, Md. : Society of Fire Protection Engineers, ©2003.
Rrwaller ( talk) 15:09, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
I removed the link to ONE fire protection consultant. There are many of them all over the place. This is not the place for advertising of one's goods and services.
I also tied it into the major articles on the topic of fire protection on Wikipedia and added the fire category. -- Achim 22:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Fire engineering is a masters degree at my uni accessed from a civil or mechanical BE. Fire engineers are also involved in designing fire safe buildings etc, eg doors that will open easily for people to escape but will still stop fire, and of course sprinkler systems etc. I am an undergrad student and so dont really feel qualified to talk about this though so don't trust this too much:) Randomkeys 04:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC) -don't trust this too much
What would qualify as the needed citation? It's not too hard to link to a specific schools' webpage for the program in question, would that suffice?
63.139.220.200 ( talk) 16:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I reverted this [1], as they are appropriate links. Reference [2], section 3.1.3, 'What should be linked', "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons. " Kilmer-san ( talk) 17:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I want to understand your point, but it appears you may be painting with a broad brush. First, why would a link to the Society of Fire Protection Engineers not be applicable? It contains an "... amount of detail... which would not be appropriate for the scope and depth of an encyclopedic article, but should be acccessable by one intersted in furthering thier knowledge of the article's subject. Second, are you claiming that the links to schools - at which fire protection engineering is taught - would be viable if the article were "Fire Protection Engineering Education"? Kilmer-san ( talk) 22:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I take your point that in the ideal Wikipedia world, the information contained in most external links should be limited to those issues which are sufficiently notable to be included in the WP article and referenced to the external link as a source. But Wikipedia is not ideal, and the WP guidelines include the use of External Links, partially because until an article can be made 'perfect', referring the reader - who came to Wikipedia to learn - to a good neutral external link is better than not including it all. Maybe it will be included as a Reference later on, maybe not.
External links to well recognized organizations which are respected in the field of endeavor is done all the time in WP. For example, the External Links in the articles of similar scope, such as [Civil Engineering], [Electrical Engineering], [Structural Engineering], and [HVAC]. Again, I think you have a good point that the salient portions should eventually be incorporated into the body of the article - but until they are, what is the harm of referring the reader to these references? Kilmer-san ( talk) 00:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
We seem to be skirting a debate about how the guidelines should be interpreted, which is going to get us nowhere. In trying to find common ground in this: There is good information in these links. I agree this information should be incorporated into the article with References, and in that case, the links removed. The question really seems to be: is it better for the article to have this information available as a link now, or delete it until it is incorporated in the manner you suggest? Inclusion or exclusion? Perhaps we can compromise and place a Template:External links on the page, restore the links temporarily, and ask for help in moving the material from the links to cited References? It seems the Wikipedia:WikiProject External links seems to promote this approach of working to make things better by consensus and giving it a little time rather than simply deleting. I will move this to a higher priority of my "to do's" . What say you? Kilmer-san ( talk) 19:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
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I have been unable to locate the reference:
"3. Cote, Arthur. "History of Fire Protection Engineering". Fire Protection Engineering."
Should it read?:
History of fire protection engineering
Author: J Kenneth Richardson; National Fire Protection Association.; Society of Fire Protection Engineers.
Publisher: Quincy, Mass. : National Fire Protection Association ; Bethesda, Md. : Society of Fire Protection Engineers, ©2003.
Rrwaller ( talk) 15:09, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
I removed the link to ONE fire protection consultant. There are many of them all over the place. This is not the place for advertising of one's goods and services.
I also tied it into the major articles on the topic of fire protection on Wikipedia and added the fire category. -- Achim 22:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Fire engineering is a masters degree at my uni accessed from a civil or mechanical BE. Fire engineers are also involved in designing fire safe buildings etc, eg doors that will open easily for people to escape but will still stop fire, and of course sprinkler systems etc. I am an undergrad student and so dont really feel qualified to talk about this though so don't trust this too much:) Randomkeys 04:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC) -don't trust this too much
What would qualify as the needed citation? It's not too hard to link to a specific schools' webpage for the program in question, would that suffice?
63.139.220.200 ( talk) 16:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I reverted this [1], as they are appropriate links. Reference [2], section 3.1.3, 'What should be linked', "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons. " Kilmer-san ( talk) 17:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I want to understand your point, but it appears you may be painting with a broad brush. First, why would a link to the Society of Fire Protection Engineers not be applicable? It contains an "... amount of detail... which would not be appropriate for the scope and depth of an encyclopedic article, but should be acccessable by one intersted in furthering thier knowledge of the article's subject. Second, are you claiming that the links to schools - at which fire protection engineering is taught - would be viable if the article were "Fire Protection Engineering Education"? Kilmer-san ( talk) 22:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I take your point that in the ideal Wikipedia world, the information contained in most external links should be limited to those issues which are sufficiently notable to be included in the WP article and referenced to the external link as a source. But Wikipedia is not ideal, and the WP guidelines include the use of External Links, partially because until an article can be made 'perfect', referring the reader - who came to Wikipedia to learn - to a good neutral external link is better than not including it all. Maybe it will be included as a Reference later on, maybe not.
External links to well recognized organizations which are respected in the field of endeavor is done all the time in WP. For example, the External Links in the articles of similar scope, such as [Civil Engineering], [Electrical Engineering], [Structural Engineering], and [HVAC]. Again, I think you have a good point that the salient portions should eventually be incorporated into the body of the article - but until they are, what is the harm of referring the reader to these references? Kilmer-san ( talk) 00:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
We seem to be skirting a debate about how the guidelines should be interpreted, which is going to get us nowhere. In trying to find common ground in this: There is good information in these links. I agree this information should be incorporated into the article with References, and in that case, the links removed. The question really seems to be: is it better for the article to have this information available as a link now, or delete it until it is incorporated in the manner you suggest? Inclusion or exclusion? Perhaps we can compromise and place a Template:External links on the page, restore the links temporarily, and ask for help in moving the material from the links to cited References? It seems the Wikipedia:WikiProject External links seems to promote this approach of working to make things better by consensus and giving it a little time rather than simply deleting. I will move this to a higher priority of my "to do's" . What say you? Kilmer-san ( talk) 19:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
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