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Following edits discussed above, the main table is now in an improved state ( this is the current version), and I'm very pleased that the nature of the "reasons" column is now fully clarified in the text. Unfortunately I think I have to question the reliability of the Albers−Alexanderson−Reid text, which is reproduced on the various subpages on Fields medal website, see e.g. the 1936 awards page. This text (written in 1986/7) is the direct source for all "reasons" in the wiki table for years 1936-1986, except for 1958. A few comments:
I am also suspicious of Deligne's commendation "Gave solution of the three Weil conjectures concerning generalizations of the Riemann hypothesis to finite fields. His work did much to unify algebraic geometry and algebraic number theory". I have very little understanding of the mathematics, but based upon Weil conjecture wikipage and Nicholas Katz's laudatio for Deligne [1], it seems that there were four Weil conjectures and Deligne proved one of them, with the three others being earlier proved by others in the 1960s. (This also matches what I recall having informally heard from friends who are expert in algebraic geometry.) Is this accurate? Gumshoe2 ( talk) 20:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
(The new Fields medals will be announced next week so it would be nice to get this resolved.) This is about the "reasons" column of the main table on the wiki page. Back in January I tried to start some discussion on this talk page, but it didn't go anywhere. Unfortunately requires some explanation, here are a few relevant (hopefully objective) facts:
The question is how to (systematically or quasi-systematically) resolve this on the page. There are maybe four possible solutions:
Gumshoe2 ( talk) 20:18, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
For consistency, if the nationality is removed because of lack of importance (with which I agree), the subsection "Affiliation" in the "Demographics of recipients" should be removed too. It is just a section for publicity of an institution without any relation to the Fields Medal. The text says "41 are mathematicians who have been affiliated with the IAS as some point in their career". We can see for example that among the 41, we have Martin Hairer which was at IAS from March to April 2014. He received the Fields medal for his work published much before 2014. Cédric Villani is also considered while he was there only during spring 2009...
That section is little relevant to Fields medal and should be kept in the wiki page of the institution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.103.252.48 ( talk) 09:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Gumshoe2: (Note: did not see above discussion, now moved to the bottom of talk page.) I'm inclined to dispute the removal of the "Affiliation" section. 41 out of 56 is quite a high percentage, more than could be explained simply by chance or as promotional. I would say it was promotional if it was, e.g., 10 out of 56, but this is probably higher than any other institution. It would require care to state it in the right way. Do you think that the affiliation of past winners is noteworthy for the article? 2nd/3rd opinions welcome. Caleb Stanford ( talk) 19:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
List of Fields medalists affiliated with the Institute for Advanced Study was merged into this article on 7 July 2022. The consensus seems to be to redirect the list to this article in order to preserve the attribution history. But adding the contents of the list to this article was not done. We probably need to discuss whether to add the contents of the list to this article. -- SilverMatsu ( talk) 00:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Since the age of medalists is occasionally a topic of interest, e.g. Jean-Pierre Serre, the 1954 Congress medalist is the youngest at 27, is there any interest in adding a column to the medalist table, age at 1 January of congress year (which is one of the qualifications) ?
I calculated the ages to address a citation needed comment, so I have that info currently available. Turtlens ( talk) 20:09, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
What was the source of the money? In 1924 the International Congress of Mathematicians came to Toronto. The event was extended by a cross-country train trip to Vancouver and ferry to Victoria. Among the attendees was Ludwik Silberstein and family. The massive volumes to preserve the mathematicians' work dwarfs the volumes published for other ICM meetings. Evidently the conference ran a surplus and Fields held the sum until he discharged it in his will to establish the Medals.
What made the 1924 meeting so grand? Silberstein issued his second edition of The Theory of Relativity in 1924 to compete with Eddington's Mathematical Theory of Relativity. Both books explicated general relativity which had gained adherents after the 1919 Solar Eclipse Expeditions supported the new cosmology of Einstein. Silberstein's 1914 edition, on special relativity, had used biquaternions to elucidate the transformation geometry of the "flat cosmology" of Minkowski space. Southern Ontario had been home to Alexander Macfarlane (Chatham, Ontario) who had presided over an international, special interest group concerned with hypercomplex numbers. Thus the 1924 ICM was a portal out of abstraction into the physical cosmos with its temporal dimension accommodated. Rgdboer ( talk) 01:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
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Following edits discussed above, the main table is now in an improved state ( this is the current version), and I'm very pleased that the nature of the "reasons" column is now fully clarified in the text. Unfortunately I think I have to question the reliability of the Albers−Alexanderson−Reid text, which is reproduced on the various subpages on Fields medal website, see e.g. the 1936 awards page. This text (written in 1986/7) is the direct source for all "reasons" in the wiki table for years 1936-1986, except for 1958. A few comments:
I am also suspicious of Deligne's commendation "Gave solution of the three Weil conjectures concerning generalizations of the Riemann hypothesis to finite fields. His work did much to unify algebraic geometry and algebraic number theory". I have very little understanding of the mathematics, but based upon Weil conjecture wikipage and Nicholas Katz's laudatio for Deligne [1], it seems that there were four Weil conjectures and Deligne proved one of them, with the three others being earlier proved by others in the 1960s. (This also matches what I recall having informally heard from friends who are expert in algebraic geometry.) Is this accurate? Gumshoe2 ( talk) 20:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
(The new Fields medals will be announced next week so it would be nice to get this resolved.) This is about the "reasons" column of the main table on the wiki page. Back in January I tried to start some discussion on this talk page, but it didn't go anywhere. Unfortunately requires some explanation, here are a few relevant (hopefully objective) facts:
The question is how to (systematically or quasi-systematically) resolve this on the page. There are maybe four possible solutions:
Gumshoe2 ( talk) 20:18, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
For consistency, if the nationality is removed because of lack of importance (with which I agree), the subsection "Affiliation" in the "Demographics of recipients" should be removed too. It is just a section for publicity of an institution without any relation to the Fields Medal. The text says "41 are mathematicians who have been affiliated with the IAS as some point in their career". We can see for example that among the 41, we have Martin Hairer which was at IAS from March to April 2014. He received the Fields medal for his work published much before 2014. Cédric Villani is also considered while he was there only during spring 2009...
That section is little relevant to Fields medal and should be kept in the wiki page of the institution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.103.252.48 ( talk) 09:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Gumshoe2: (Note: did not see above discussion, now moved to the bottom of talk page.) I'm inclined to dispute the removal of the "Affiliation" section. 41 out of 56 is quite a high percentage, more than could be explained simply by chance or as promotional. I would say it was promotional if it was, e.g., 10 out of 56, but this is probably higher than any other institution. It would require care to state it in the right way. Do you think that the affiliation of past winners is noteworthy for the article? 2nd/3rd opinions welcome. Caleb Stanford ( talk) 19:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
List of Fields medalists affiliated with the Institute for Advanced Study was merged into this article on 7 July 2022. The consensus seems to be to redirect the list to this article in order to preserve the attribution history. But adding the contents of the list to this article was not done. We probably need to discuss whether to add the contents of the list to this article. -- SilverMatsu ( talk) 00:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Since the age of medalists is occasionally a topic of interest, e.g. Jean-Pierre Serre, the 1954 Congress medalist is the youngest at 27, is there any interest in adding a column to the medalist table, age at 1 January of congress year (which is one of the qualifications) ?
I calculated the ages to address a citation needed comment, so I have that info currently available. Turtlens ( talk) 20:09, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
What was the source of the money? In 1924 the International Congress of Mathematicians came to Toronto. The event was extended by a cross-country train trip to Vancouver and ferry to Victoria. Among the attendees was Ludwik Silberstein and family. The massive volumes to preserve the mathematicians' work dwarfs the volumes published for other ICM meetings. Evidently the conference ran a surplus and Fields held the sum until he discharged it in his will to establish the Medals.
What made the 1924 meeting so grand? Silberstein issued his second edition of The Theory of Relativity in 1924 to compete with Eddington's Mathematical Theory of Relativity. Both books explicated general relativity which had gained adherents after the 1919 Solar Eclipse Expeditions supported the new cosmology of Einstein. Silberstein's 1914 edition, on special relativity, had used biquaternions to elucidate the transformation geometry of the "flat cosmology" of Minkowski space. Southern Ontario had been home to Alexander Macfarlane (Chatham, Ontario) who had presided over an international, special interest group concerned with hypercomplex numbers. Thus the 1924 ICM was a portal out of abstraction into the physical cosmos with its temporal dimension accommodated. Rgdboer ( talk) 01:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC)