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In the column to the right it says with an * that number of games and goals is from domestic league only. That's wrong. He's listed with 620 games and 616 goals there, but if I check further down the page these numbers are for domstic league, Copa del Rey and even European games. The correct numbers in the right column should be 341 games and 352 goals for Budapest and 185 games and 156 goals for Real Madrid. Right?
How can Puskas have the World Player of the year award if that prize didnt exist at all in 1952,1953?
The Golden ball was awarded to the best european player since 1956 and to the best world player in this decade The FIFA World player is an award created in the 90's (1991 to be exact) The World Soccer player of the year by World Soccer magazine was created in 1982 The FIFPro World soccer player of the year was created in this century
Anyone knows where that unsourced information comes from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.138.138.165 ( talk) 13:44, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
User - 193.170.250.70 - "The Galloping Major" is a nickname only used in England and Central Europe. So it makes no sense to put its Spanish version in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.40.37 ( talk • contribs) 17:59, 19 December 2006
No it's not. His nickname was El Comandante Galopante (The Galloping Major) - it's alliteration and it was first used in Spain. By your logic Pele shouldn't be calle O Rei, but The King. - please do not change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.40.37 ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 14 December 2006
he died -- 66.65.56.199 17:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Noooooooooooooo!!!!! :( Rest in peace Puskás öcsi, PALUSHEK may you be the all-time top scorer on Heaven's team. K. Lastochka 02:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
This one is just temporary. Who are the person on Puskas' picture? Obviously it's not him, so shouldn't it be of him?
How can Charlie Buchan be one of his heroes, when he retired from playing the year Puskás was born? 195.26.63.54 08:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Can someone give some details? I have been reading a book "Everton in Europe", in its chapter of the match between Everton and the Greek side Pukas coached, it mentioned that he was away with his club in "free" Europe while Hungarian uprising was crushed by the USSR troops. Can someone with a better source confirm this and add this information to the page? I think it's an important move to Pukas career, without which he would not have been playing a partnership with Di Stefano.
Your source was right, he and several other players of "The Golden Team" remained abroad (mostly in Austria and Italy) after the invasion of the Red Army, but being threatened with an incredible two-year FIFA ban that forbade clubs even to let the "fugitives" train with them, most of them chose to return. Those few who refused to return had to wait until '59 to be signed. --
Biziclop 16:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
It is very important to understand that Puskas did not really want to leave Hungary. No Hungarian footballer really did. The revolution in Hungary progressed rapidly and ended somewhat suddenly with the fast advance of Soviet forces. Hungarians who publicly sided with the rebels were considered outlaws and hunted. The Hungarians breifly had beaten the Soviet Union's occupying forces in the streets of Hungary and NATO support was being sought by all. It seemed reasonable to think an independent Hungary, with help, was possible and worth supporting from abroad. Puskas, among other famous Mighty Magyars, supported this effort from outside Hungary where help was to come from. Help never came and Puskas and the others either rejoined their families in Hungary at the risk of persecution or, the more vocal group like Puskas, stayed out in order to stay alive. This was the consequence for any Hungarian rebel at that time, my father included. It was also the Soviet controlled Hungarian Soccer Association that forced the ban on FIFA. No mention seems to be made on the justification of the FIFA ban.(signed - G. Togel) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grtogel ( talk • contribs) 18:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Someone know? Is up 1.000? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.29.18.41 ( talk • contribs) 19:00, 29 January 2006
This is similar to problems that we have with many retired footballers that played in non-western-european leagues. It is also incredibly tough to determine the number of goals that Pele scored throughout his career, although it's quoted everywhere as 1,281, this number includes hundreds of non-competitive games. The rsssf.com prolific goalscorers article lists Puskas as having scored 701+. Other ideas could be gathered from looking at Talk:Pelé. aLii 10:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
"In his club career, he apparently totalled 511 goals, a number believed to be third all-time behind Pelé and Josef Bican." Given that Romario scored over 900 goals, this seems unlikely. Maybe someone could do an edit. It is also unlikley that he is the fourth all time scorer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chilliphil12345 ( talk • contribs) 19:19, 23 December 2005
I've just moved the above three comments to here as they fit better here than in the Death section aLii 17:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I know the same number of goals as aLii said in November 2006, but if you add up his goals for Real Madrid, the result is 154. 357 + 154 = 511 93.210.180.65 ( talk) 17:27, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Absolute POV on the six greatest players of all time.
Disagree. Undoubtably he is alongside Pele, Maradona and Di Stefano as one of the world's greatest players. 82.69.40.37
I don't know anything about Puskas, and from what I understand he is a legend. However, this page has many comments such as 'the finist team of the era', 'the finest player' etc... I'm not disputing it, I think it would be good to have more reference. Azymuthca 19:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Just look at the results of that time. Hungary won against everyone. The only mistake, though, was in the 54 WC final where they lost after first taken the lead against West-Germany. Earlier in that WC, they won them by 8-3. I don't think Puskas needs any further explanation either. Look at his record for RM. And his i.eg. european cup wins aso...
My point is... whe don't need reference where he or RM is said to be "one of the finest...".
Puskas won 3 European Cups, and not just one! He played and won in the 1959 (but was injured for the final), played and won in the 1960, and played and won in the 1966 (he didn't play the final). after the 66' third cup he retired to become a coach.
http://www.goldenfoot.com/ochampions.cfm?id=16
Puskas only played in two European Cup finals - 1960 and 1962. He was injured for the 1959 final, as stated in article, and did not play in 1966. You can not credit him with finals he did not appear in as this is inaccurate. Puskas had a pretty successful career and it does not need embellishing Djln-- Djln 21:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Since I did revamp the quotes section, I think that the quotes section should move to Wikiquote, rather than be deleted because as a great footballer, many great things have been said about/by him so it would be useful to keep and move the links to Wikiquote.
I am not to sure which parts of the article need citation, though if you could point me into the right direction, I am sure I will be able to help.
Kurt000 18:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure that the list of international goals is appropriate, it seems to me to be an excessive level of detail. Oldelpaso 22:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The list should be more complete. It does not include Puskás International matches for Spain. Lsw10 ( talk) 11:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Previous version included too many flags and an over use of date linking in the infobox. Puskás career was not done justice by just dividing into two eras - Hungary and Spain. Previous version of coaching career was little more then a list of clubs he managed. This is already in infobox. Events in later life are better included in opening section which gives an overview of his life. Later sections can provide more detail to his career. Djln-- Djln 17:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
We can verify number of goals, so we can claim the greatest scorer. Most think scoring is the hardest part. This way we can still say "greatest" Chivista 14:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
The articles on Pele and George Best all have some variation of "considered one of the greatest" in their opening paragraph, and those are only the first two articles I looked at, I'm sure I could find more examples. Many, many people do consider Puskás to be one of the greatest of all time, mentioning that is not POV, it is an encyclopedic fact. K. Lásztocska 14:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't like revert wars either--notice I haven't reverted past that original change I made earlier. I understand your concerns, but I am of the opinion that mentioning public opinion can be perfectly encyclopedic. Not everything has to be 150% objective, especially when we're talking about stuff like footballers. :)
OK, agreed. Let's go look for some famous people to quote. :) K. Lásztocska 15:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why it was chosen "striker" when previously the article stated the historical playing position was "inside-left" with this reference given... http://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/nov/17/newsstory.sport8
According to German olympic committee
http://www.footballfairplay.com/2010/10/germany%C2%B4s-1954-world-cup-winners-%C2%B4were-doped%C2%B4.html http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/story/14192143/study-german-1954-world-cup-winners-were-doped http://www.footballfairplay.com/2010/10/germany%C2%B4s-1954-world-cup-winners-%C2%B4were-doped%C2%B4.html http://www.footballfairplay.com/2010/10/germany%C2%B4s-1954-world-cup-winners-%C2%B4were-doped%C2%B4.html http://www.newstime.co.za/Sport/Study_claims_Germany%E2%80%99%E2%80%99s_1954_cup_winners_doped/13704/ http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/worldcup/story/Study-1954-World-Cup-champions-Germany-were-doped —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.114.153 ( talk) 16:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
This text looks like an ode to Ferenc Puskás, not like an encyclopedic article ( Iaaasi ( talk) 09:05, 11 January 2011 (UTC))
I think the article lacks the information why he didn't play in later world cups. I consider he didn't play in 1958 and 1962, as well as 1966, although he was still a player, not retired...
Can someone fill in the gap in the article or at least for me? -- 134.161.69.50 ( talk) 04:22, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Was Puskás's full name officially Ferenc Puskás Jr.? According to Hungarian Wikipedia, his father was a Senior (‘id.’ is short for ‘idősebb’, or senior), but the page for Puskás himself doesn't say that he was a Junior (‘ifjabb’, or ‘ifj.’ for short, in Hungarian). Esszet ( talk) 20:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
He was called as "Puskás Öcsi" ("öcsi" means younger brother) so we hungarians were not in nedd to call him az 'ifjabb' or 'jr'. It's not even his name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.132.185.85 ( talk) 20:55, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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Can someone please verify the origin of the 4 games, 4 goals for Honved in 'continental' matches in 1955? As far as I know, Honved only played 2 matches in the European Cup, with Puskas appearing in both and scoring once. They lost the tie and the team broke up. But that was in late 1956 (albeit relates to their qualification by winning the Hungarian league in 55) so should be in a separate column. And where are the other 2 games / 3 goals coming from? If it's not obvious to me, it might not be to others either so I think if the stats are correct, there should be a label beside them to explain what matches they refer to? Crowsus ( talk) 09:14, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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He was born as Franz Purczeld.Tthe attempted hungarification be the editor is not based on facts. Bring some sources or leave it be. Sources (german):
https://kulturstiftung.donauschwaben.net/veranstaltungen/2011_03_26_ferenc_puskas
https://issuu.com/raiissuu/docs/korrespondenz_24_1_2007 p.24 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redxdevil ( talk • contribs) 14:53, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
From the introduction: "Ferenc Puskás ... né Ferenc Puskás". Is it me, or the two names are identical? 2A00:23C5:3408:4101:6D53:BBAC:E13A:2210 ( talk) 23:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
The article claims the player is the one who gave most assists in the history of soccer, and the statement is completely unsourced. It should be either sourced for such important claim or removed.
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In the column to the right it says with an * that number of games and goals is from domestic league only. That's wrong. He's listed with 620 games and 616 goals there, but if I check further down the page these numbers are for domstic league, Copa del Rey and even European games. The correct numbers in the right column should be 341 games and 352 goals for Budapest and 185 games and 156 goals for Real Madrid. Right?
How can Puskas have the World Player of the year award if that prize didnt exist at all in 1952,1953?
The Golden ball was awarded to the best european player since 1956 and to the best world player in this decade The FIFA World player is an award created in the 90's (1991 to be exact) The World Soccer player of the year by World Soccer magazine was created in 1982 The FIFPro World soccer player of the year was created in this century
Anyone knows where that unsourced information comes from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.138.138.165 ( talk) 13:44, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
User - 193.170.250.70 - "The Galloping Major" is a nickname only used in England and Central Europe. So it makes no sense to put its Spanish version in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.40.37 ( talk • contribs) 17:59, 19 December 2006
No it's not. His nickname was El Comandante Galopante (The Galloping Major) - it's alliteration and it was first used in Spain. By your logic Pele shouldn't be calle O Rei, but The King. - please do not change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.40.37 ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 14 December 2006
he died -- 66.65.56.199 17:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Noooooooooooooo!!!!! :( Rest in peace Puskás öcsi, PALUSHEK may you be the all-time top scorer on Heaven's team. K. Lastochka 02:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
This one is just temporary. Who are the person on Puskas' picture? Obviously it's not him, so shouldn't it be of him?
How can Charlie Buchan be one of his heroes, when he retired from playing the year Puskás was born? 195.26.63.54 08:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Can someone give some details? I have been reading a book "Everton in Europe", in its chapter of the match between Everton and the Greek side Pukas coached, it mentioned that he was away with his club in "free" Europe while Hungarian uprising was crushed by the USSR troops. Can someone with a better source confirm this and add this information to the page? I think it's an important move to Pukas career, without which he would not have been playing a partnership with Di Stefano.
Your source was right, he and several other players of "The Golden Team" remained abroad (mostly in Austria and Italy) after the invasion of the Red Army, but being threatened with an incredible two-year FIFA ban that forbade clubs even to let the "fugitives" train with them, most of them chose to return. Those few who refused to return had to wait until '59 to be signed. --
Biziclop 16:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
It is very important to understand that Puskas did not really want to leave Hungary. No Hungarian footballer really did. The revolution in Hungary progressed rapidly and ended somewhat suddenly with the fast advance of Soviet forces. Hungarians who publicly sided with the rebels were considered outlaws and hunted. The Hungarians breifly had beaten the Soviet Union's occupying forces in the streets of Hungary and NATO support was being sought by all. It seemed reasonable to think an independent Hungary, with help, was possible and worth supporting from abroad. Puskas, among other famous Mighty Magyars, supported this effort from outside Hungary where help was to come from. Help never came and Puskas and the others either rejoined their families in Hungary at the risk of persecution or, the more vocal group like Puskas, stayed out in order to stay alive. This was the consequence for any Hungarian rebel at that time, my father included. It was also the Soviet controlled Hungarian Soccer Association that forced the ban on FIFA. No mention seems to be made on the justification of the FIFA ban.(signed - G. Togel) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grtogel ( talk • contribs) 18:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Someone know? Is up 1.000? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.29.18.41 ( talk • contribs) 19:00, 29 January 2006
This is similar to problems that we have with many retired footballers that played in non-western-european leagues. It is also incredibly tough to determine the number of goals that Pele scored throughout his career, although it's quoted everywhere as 1,281, this number includes hundreds of non-competitive games. The rsssf.com prolific goalscorers article lists Puskas as having scored 701+. Other ideas could be gathered from looking at Talk:Pelé. aLii 10:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
"In his club career, he apparently totalled 511 goals, a number believed to be third all-time behind Pelé and Josef Bican." Given that Romario scored over 900 goals, this seems unlikely. Maybe someone could do an edit. It is also unlikley that he is the fourth all time scorer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chilliphil12345 ( talk • contribs) 19:19, 23 December 2005
I've just moved the above three comments to here as they fit better here than in the Death section aLii 17:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I know the same number of goals as aLii said in November 2006, but if you add up his goals for Real Madrid, the result is 154. 357 + 154 = 511 93.210.180.65 ( talk) 17:27, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Absolute POV on the six greatest players of all time.
Disagree. Undoubtably he is alongside Pele, Maradona and Di Stefano as one of the world's greatest players. 82.69.40.37
I don't know anything about Puskas, and from what I understand he is a legend. However, this page has many comments such as 'the finist team of the era', 'the finest player' etc... I'm not disputing it, I think it would be good to have more reference. Azymuthca 19:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Just look at the results of that time. Hungary won against everyone. The only mistake, though, was in the 54 WC final where they lost after first taken the lead against West-Germany. Earlier in that WC, they won them by 8-3. I don't think Puskas needs any further explanation either. Look at his record for RM. And his i.eg. european cup wins aso...
My point is... whe don't need reference where he or RM is said to be "one of the finest...".
Puskas won 3 European Cups, and not just one! He played and won in the 1959 (but was injured for the final), played and won in the 1960, and played and won in the 1966 (he didn't play the final). after the 66' third cup he retired to become a coach.
http://www.goldenfoot.com/ochampions.cfm?id=16
Puskas only played in two European Cup finals - 1960 and 1962. He was injured for the 1959 final, as stated in article, and did not play in 1966. You can not credit him with finals he did not appear in as this is inaccurate. Puskas had a pretty successful career and it does not need embellishing Djln-- Djln 21:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Since I did revamp the quotes section, I think that the quotes section should move to Wikiquote, rather than be deleted because as a great footballer, many great things have been said about/by him so it would be useful to keep and move the links to Wikiquote.
I am not to sure which parts of the article need citation, though if you could point me into the right direction, I am sure I will be able to help.
Kurt000 18:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure that the list of international goals is appropriate, it seems to me to be an excessive level of detail. Oldelpaso 22:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The list should be more complete. It does not include Puskás International matches for Spain. Lsw10 ( talk) 11:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Previous version included too many flags and an over use of date linking in the infobox. Puskás career was not done justice by just dividing into two eras - Hungary and Spain. Previous version of coaching career was little more then a list of clubs he managed. This is already in infobox. Events in later life are better included in opening section which gives an overview of his life. Later sections can provide more detail to his career. Djln-- Djln 17:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
We can verify number of goals, so we can claim the greatest scorer. Most think scoring is the hardest part. This way we can still say "greatest" Chivista 14:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
The articles on Pele and George Best all have some variation of "considered one of the greatest" in their opening paragraph, and those are only the first two articles I looked at, I'm sure I could find more examples. Many, many people do consider Puskás to be one of the greatest of all time, mentioning that is not POV, it is an encyclopedic fact. K. Lásztocska 14:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't like revert wars either--notice I haven't reverted past that original change I made earlier. I understand your concerns, but I am of the opinion that mentioning public opinion can be perfectly encyclopedic. Not everything has to be 150% objective, especially when we're talking about stuff like footballers. :)
OK, agreed. Let's go look for some famous people to quote. :) K. Lásztocska 15:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why it was chosen "striker" when previously the article stated the historical playing position was "inside-left" with this reference given... http://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/nov/17/newsstory.sport8
According to German olympic committee
http://www.footballfairplay.com/2010/10/germany%C2%B4s-1954-world-cup-winners-%C2%B4were-doped%C2%B4.html http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/story/14192143/study-german-1954-world-cup-winners-were-doped http://www.footballfairplay.com/2010/10/germany%C2%B4s-1954-world-cup-winners-%C2%B4were-doped%C2%B4.html http://www.footballfairplay.com/2010/10/germany%C2%B4s-1954-world-cup-winners-%C2%B4were-doped%C2%B4.html http://www.newstime.co.za/Sport/Study_claims_Germany%E2%80%99%E2%80%99s_1954_cup_winners_doped/13704/ http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/worldcup/story/Study-1954-World-Cup-champions-Germany-were-doped —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.114.153 ( talk) 16:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
This text looks like an ode to Ferenc Puskás, not like an encyclopedic article ( Iaaasi ( talk) 09:05, 11 January 2011 (UTC))
I think the article lacks the information why he didn't play in later world cups. I consider he didn't play in 1958 and 1962, as well as 1966, although he was still a player, not retired...
Can someone fill in the gap in the article or at least for me? -- 134.161.69.50 ( talk) 04:22, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Was Puskás's full name officially Ferenc Puskás Jr.? According to Hungarian Wikipedia, his father was a Senior (‘id.’ is short for ‘idősebb’, or senior), but the page for Puskás himself doesn't say that he was a Junior (‘ifjabb’, or ‘ifj.’ for short, in Hungarian). Esszet ( talk) 20:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
He was called as "Puskás Öcsi" ("öcsi" means younger brother) so we hungarians were not in nedd to call him az 'ifjabb' or 'jr'. It's not even his name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.132.185.85 ( talk) 20:55, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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Can someone please verify the origin of the 4 games, 4 goals for Honved in 'continental' matches in 1955? As far as I know, Honved only played 2 matches in the European Cup, with Puskas appearing in both and scoring once. They lost the tie and the team broke up. But that was in late 1956 (albeit relates to their qualification by winning the Hungarian league in 55) so should be in a separate column. And where are the other 2 games / 3 goals coming from? If it's not obvious to me, it might not be to others either so I think if the stats are correct, there should be a label beside them to explain what matches they refer to? Crowsus ( talk) 09:14, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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He was born as Franz Purczeld.Tthe attempted hungarification be the editor is not based on facts. Bring some sources or leave it be. Sources (german):
https://kulturstiftung.donauschwaben.net/veranstaltungen/2011_03_26_ferenc_puskas
https://issuu.com/raiissuu/docs/korrespondenz_24_1_2007 p.24 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redxdevil ( talk • contribs) 14:53, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
From the introduction: "Ferenc Puskás ... né Ferenc Puskás". Is it me, or the two names are identical? 2A00:23C5:3408:4101:6D53:BBAC:E13A:2210 ( talk) 23:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
The article claims the player is the one who gave most assists in the history of soccer, and the statement is completely unsourced. It should be either sourced for such important claim or removed.