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Great work with translating this. I think that the history section needs to inform if this department originated in East Germany, West Germany or both (unlikely). The description "the result of a degenerate imagination" leads me to believe that this is a communist invention, but I could be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.138.216 ( talk) 16:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm using English translations as per the English-language section of the BPjM website at http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/bpjm/information-in-english.html. The exception is where these translations fly in the face of normal English usage, particularly the phrase youth-endangering as a translation of jugendgefährdend! I have translated this as harmful to young people though harmful to children or harmful to minors capture the German sense at least as well. Valiantis 21:24, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Forgot to record the request at Wikipedia:German-English translation requests: -
Valiantis 14:30, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I added the redirect German List of Media Harmful to Young People and used it on the Die Ärzte page. In that context, the title works quite well: “The song was added to the German List of Media Harmful to Young People... ”, or “... because he voiced concerns about appearing on the German List of Media Harmful to Young People... ”. (I am not so sure about the capitalisation, though...) I think this is useful and a better link than “... added to the German Index”. I am sure a number of other WP-EN articles could link to this page.
Since I envision more potential links of this form than of the form “... appear on the list produced by the Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Medien...”, maybe we want the article to be about the List instead of about the Prüfstelle? Surely people who navigate here are interested less about the agency and more about its main product? In that case we might want to move the article. The article's contents is mostly about the list anyway, not the agency. Arbor 13:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I have a minor issue with this paragraph:
It seems a little biased to me. There are a lot of "mays" and "would appear" there and no solid facts. From my experience the majority of people aren't even really aware of what the BPjM does and most people (myself included) have no real opinion about the way the BPjM works. Most criticism stems from inconsistency in the ratings and ineffectiveness at times (for example River Raid being indexed and Doom 3 not), as well as questions about the need for such an organisation these days where the people it is designed to protect are actually the ones that usually have easiest access to the media. Contrary to the paragraph's claim, the few active opponents of the BPjM are from the arts commuity, media industries and gamers between 20 and 30 years of age. I'll have to grab a source to back this up, but the wording of this paragraph really bugs me. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 19:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Great article. I am sort of leaning towards wanting its title to be English, whatever name is agreed upon; however, we do have Académie française rather than "French Academy" (and I wouldn't even consider the latter). -- Saforrest 21:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I just mentioned the impact of the German Index elsewhere. Seems pretty straightforward. The FSK ratings are enforced by law in Austria, and you really can't escape media from Germany here, esp. as SAT1 and Pro7 blanket Austria, too. samwaltz 21:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
The FSK has no Connection to the BPJM - Can you give an example that is in context of the BPJM ?
I completely rewrote the section about legal consequences, sticking closer to the law (Jugendschutzgesetz) that forms the base for them. Note that the enumeration does not aspire to be a literal translation. Sometimes I have shortened it a bit, sometimes I have added more info.
I removed the paragraph about other countries. It generally made broad, unverifiable (and unsourced) claims I could not confirm from my personal experience (I'm an Austrian). All the video games on the index, for example, are sold without any restrictions here in Austria. Of course, if the German version of a game is censored, it won't be un-censored for the negligible Austrian market, but usually you will find the uncensored US versions in some shops. And if Austria uses the FSK ratings, this has nothing whatever to do with the indexing process. — Graf Bobby 20:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
As for the Saltzman book, this statement is unsourced, and I can't source it. I simply happen to own the German version of this book. If such a small, merely illustrative detail is to be considered origiinal research, then by all means remove it. — Graf Bobby 20:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The critique that the BPjM is an organisation unique to Germany ignores the fact that other western countries also have laws and mechanisms, albeit different in scope and practice, to prevent, for example, the sale of pornography to minors, holocaust denial, or racist literature and hate speech.
Had to remove the following external link because the page now seems to require prior registration in order to access the content:
- Almost complete list of all indexed and/or confiscated physical works (The menu is only accessible with Macromedia Flash. Please note the disclaimer on the home page.)
-- Lennier1 ( talk) 23:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
And of course, rather biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.245.132 ( talk) 04:15, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
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Great work with translating this. I think that the history section needs to inform if this department originated in East Germany, West Germany or both (unlikely). The description "the result of a degenerate imagination" leads me to believe that this is a communist invention, but I could be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.138.216 ( talk) 16:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm using English translations as per the English-language section of the BPjM website at http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/bpjm/information-in-english.html. The exception is where these translations fly in the face of normal English usage, particularly the phrase youth-endangering as a translation of jugendgefährdend! I have translated this as harmful to young people though harmful to children or harmful to minors capture the German sense at least as well. Valiantis 21:24, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Forgot to record the request at Wikipedia:German-English translation requests: -
Valiantis 14:30, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I added the redirect German List of Media Harmful to Young People and used it on the Die Ärzte page. In that context, the title works quite well: “The song was added to the German List of Media Harmful to Young People... ”, or “... because he voiced concerns about appearing on the German List of Media Harmful to Young People... ”. (I am not so sure about the capitalisation, though...) I think this is useful and a better link than “... added to the German Index”. I am sure a number of other WP-EN articles could link to this page.
Since I envision more potential links of this form than of the form “... appear on the list produced by the Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Medien...”, maybe we want the article to be about the List instead of about the Prüfstelle? Surely people who navigate here are interested less about the agency and more about its main product? In that case we might want to move the article. The article's contents is mostly about the list anyway, not the agency. Arbor 13:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I have a minor issue with this paragraph:
It seems a little biased to me. There are a lot of "mays" and "would appear" there and no solid facts. From my experience the majority of people aren't even really aware of what the BPjM does and most people (myself included) have no real opinion about the way the BPjM works. Most criticism stems from inconsistency in the ratings and ineffectiveness at times (for example River Raid being indexed and Doom 3 not), as well as questions about the need for such an organisation these days where the people it is designed to protect are actually the ones that usually have easiest access to the media. Contrary to the paragraph's claim, the few active opponents of the BPjM are from the arts commuity, media industries and gamers between 20 and 30 years of age. I'll have to grab a source to back this up, but the wording of this paragraph really bugs me. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 19:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Great article. I am sort of leaning towards wanting its title to be English, whatever name is agreed upon; however, we do have Académie française rather than "French Academy" (and I wouldn't even consider the latter). -- Saforrest 21:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I just mentioned the impact of the German Index elsewhere. Seems pretty straightforward. The FSK ratings are enforced by law in Austria, and you really can't escape media from Germany here, esp. as SAT1 and Pro7 blanket Austria, too. samwaltz 21:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
The FSK has no Connection to the BPJM - Can you give an example that is in context of the BPJM ?
I completely rewrote the section about legal consequences, sticking closer to the law (Jugendschutzgesetz) that forms the base for them. Note that the enumeration does not aspire to be a literal translation. Sometimes I have shortened it a bit, sometimes I have added more info.
I removed the paragraph about other countries. It generally made broad, unverifiable (and unsourced) claims I could not confirm from my personal experience (I'm an Austrian). All the video games on the index, for example, are sold without any restrictions here in Austria. Of course, if the German version of a game is censored, it won't be un-censored for the negligible Austrian market, but usually you will find the uncensored US versions in some shops. And if Austria uses the FSK ratings, this has nothing whatever to do with the indexing process. — Graf Bobby 20:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
As for the Saltzman book, this statement is unsourced, and I can't source it. I simply happen to own the German version of this book. If such a small, merely illustrative detail is to be considered origiinal research, then by all means remove it. — Graf Bobby 20:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The critique that the BPjM is an organisation unique to Germany ignores the fact that other western countries also have laws and mechanisms, albeit different in scope and practice, to prevent, for example, the sale of pornography to minors, holocaust denial, or racist literature and hate speech.
Had to remove the following external link because the page now seems to require prior registration in order to access the content:
- Almost complete list of all indexed and/or confiscated physical works (The menu is only accessible with Macromedia Flash. Please note the disclaimer on the home page.)
-- Lennier1 ( talk) 23:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
And of course, rather biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.245.132 ( talk) 04:15, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
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