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Why is this a seperate article? 64.229.170.72 02:31, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC) There is no reference to the original meaning of Fascio that dates back to the roman empire. There have been a lot of positive symbols that have been denatured by the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century. I think they should be explained and not banished. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.206.125.123 ( talk) 15:26, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Why "Italian history of the word fascist" why not just "history of the word fascist" or "etymology of fascism"? This title is incredibly cumbersome. Also don't see need for seperate article. have copied and pasted (with credit) to Fascism article where one would think it belongs. 12:50, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The Fascist article is already too long. This is about the transformation of the name "Fascio". This describes the history and use of the name. This article is about the name. WHEELER 14:37, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I changed the name of the article to fascio (with a redirect from fasci) as the previous title was too long and unwieldy and as "fascio" (or fasci) seemed to be what the article was actually about. AndyL 13:57, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Interestingly, the Italian wiki has a corresponding entry for the term "fascio," but it is disambiguated into four separate entries: fascio littorale (the Roman bundle of rods), fascio politico (the story of the use of the term in politics since Unification), fascio matematico (???), and fascio as related to category theory.
In any case, if anyone is interested in gaining some input from this side of the ocean (in terms of links or translations, Italian books and resources, etc..) please let me know. I'm glad to help out. My Italian is quality 4, if not 5. And I'm fascinated with the topic recently.-- Lacatosias 21:28, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Any contributions you can make would be appreciated, I don't read italian, so theres not much I can do... Sam Spade 07:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
For the above reason, this article appears to have been written with inexcusable ignorance of the subject matter. The fasci did not just spring up in Italy in the 19th Century, but has a history reaching back into Roman antiquity. The author of the entry clearly doesn't understand that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.143.38 ( talk) 13:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I honestly threw that out there not as vandalism, but as a sort of experiment to see what would happen: would it might provoke some further research, would it be left alone as is (as is the case on the Italian wikipedia where I found it and with which I am extremely dissapointed---no citations anywhere!!), or whatever. In any case, I have posted a comment/question/criticism on several parts of the Italian wikipedia asking for the citation for this and many other assertions. Just learning the ropes.-- Lacatosias 12:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Masons which resembles the caricature of the three students that Umberto Eco created in Foucault's Pendulum. -- Lacatosias 17:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC).
After "as their leaders met in Milan and formed a national organization…" the phrase was dropped, "…after naming themselves Fasci d'Azione revoluzionaria (bands for revolutionary action)". It had a citation, and I believe it was correct. Any reason for the deletion? - Jmabel | Talk 16:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
It might be important to note the presence of the fasci symbol (a bundle of rods with a hatchet head) on either side of the speaker's podium in the United State House of Representatives. Why are these symbols featured there? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ericlaine ( talk • contribs) 9 September 2006.
There is also a Fascio in the fresco The Apotheosis of Washington, painted by Italian artist Constantino Brumidi , which is very prominently visible (held by the woman left to George Washington) in the dome in the rotunda of the United States Capitol Building. Brumidi painted this in 1865, which means that the symbolic use of the Fascio is older then 1870.
I just changed 'pacific' to 'specific'. It makes sense (more easily), and 'pacific' doesn't seem relevant here. If this is wrong, can someone please clarify what is meant by 'pacific leanings'? 206.202.64.46 00:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Use of the word Fasci, goes back to The Roman Empire. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.107.239.96 ( talk) 22:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
This article is slanted in appearance to presenting the fascio as being the precursors to fascism. That's like saying that trade unions were a precursor to Soviet communism because the Soviet Union had official trade unions. The fasci was like a guild, there were many fascio for different interests.-- R-41 ( talk) 23:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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Why is this a seperate article? 64.229.170.72 02:31, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC) There is no reference to the original meaning of Fascio that dates back to the roman empire. There have been a lot of positive symbols that have been denatured by the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century. I think they should be explained and not banished. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.206.125.123 ( talk) 15:26, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Why "Italian history of the word fascist" why not just "history of the word fascist" or "etymology of fascism"? This title is incredibly cumbersome. Also don't see need for seperate article. have copied and pasted (with credit) to Fascism article where one would think it belongs. 12:50, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The Fascist article is already too long. This is about the transformation of the name "Fascio". This describes the history and use of the name. This article is about the name. WHEELER 14:37, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I changed the name of the article to fascio (with a redirect from fasci) as the previous title was too long and unwieldy and as "fascio" (or fasci) seemed to be what the article was actually about. AndyL 13:57, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Interestingly, the Italian wiki has a corresponding entry for the term "fascio," but it is disambiguated into four separate entries: fascio littorale (the Roman bundle of rods), fascio politico (the story of the use of the term in politics since Unification), fascio matematico (???), and fascio as related to category theory.
In any case, if anyone is interested in gaining some input from this side of the ocean (in terms of links or translations, Italian books and resources, etc..) please let me know. I'm glad to help out. My Italian is quality 4, if not 5. And I'm fascinated with the topic recently.-- Lacatosias 21:28, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Any contributions you can make would be appreciated, I don't read italian, so theres not much I can do... Sam Spade 07:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
For the above reason, this article appears to have been written with inexcusable ignorance of the subject matter. The fasci did not just spring up in Italy in the 19th Century, but has a history reaching back into Roman antiquity. The author of the entry clearly doesn't understand that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.143.38 ( talk) 13:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I honestly threw that out there not as vandalism, but as a sort of experiment to see what would happen: would it might provoke some further research, would it be left alone as is (as is the case on the Italian wikipedia where I found it and with which I am extremely dissapointed---no citations anywhere!!), or whatever. In any case, I have posted a comment/question/criticism on several parts of the Italian wikipedia asking for the citation for this and many other assertions. Just learning the ropes.-- Lacatosias 12:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Masons which resembles the caricature of the three students that Umberto Eco created in Foucault's Pendulum. -- Lacatosias 17:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC).
After "as their leaders met in Milan and formed a national organization…" the phrase was dropped, "…after naming themselves Fasci d'Azione revoluzionaria (bands for revolutionary action)". It had a citation, and I believe it was correct. Any reason for the deletion? - Jmabel | Talk 16:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
It might be important to note the presence of the fasci symbol (a bundle of rods with a hatchet head) on either side of the speaker's podium in the United State House of Representatives. Why are these symbols featured there? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ericlaine ( talk • contribs) 9 September 2006.
There is also a Fascio in the fresco The Apotheosis of Washington, painted by Italian artist Constantino Brumidi , which is very prominently visible (held by the woman left to George Washington) in the dome in the rotunda of the United States Capitol Building. Brumidi painted this in 1865, which means that the symbolic use of the Fascio is older then 1870.
I just changed 'pacific' to 'specific'. It makes sense (more easily), and 'pacific' doesn't seem relevant here. If this is wrong, can someone please clarify what is meant by 'pacific leanings'? 206.202.64.46 00:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Use of the word Fasci, goes back to The Roman Empire. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.107.239.96 ( talk) 22:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
This article is slanted in appearance to presenting the fascio as being the precursors to fascism. That's like saying that trade unions were a precursor to Soviet communism because the Soviet Union had official trade unions. The fasci was like a guild, there were many fascio for different interests.-- R-41 ( talk) 23:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)