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Alli Paisley2005 ( talk) 13:28, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
How and why is this article a stub? There's only so much you can say about some things. Zebraic 22:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
BillyTFried ( talk) 02:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree with Freshacconci regarding Ono's fame. She was well known in the Avant Garde circles of New York, and was both a published author, as well as an exhibited artist. Her "art" may not have been something that you or I liked, but the chances are that this would apply to most artists whom neither of us have ever met. It was the fact that she was a known Artist that led to her meeting Lennon, though undoubtedly, Lennon made her world famous. 46.7.85.68 ( talk) 15:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Why not add Spencer Pratt & Heidi Montag? 190.59.12.88 ( talk) 03:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Primarily famous for being the subject/object/part-author of a 2003 sex tape? OK. Famous for her role in The Simple Life? If you insist. But primarily famous for being the grand-daughter of Barron Hilton? He has 23 grandchildren -- are the others also famous?
I've deleted some uncited additions. There are still some marginal entries. we should have citations that point to them being famous for being famous
I think that being the son of a President disqualified him from being "famous [solely] for being famous." 128.135.229.74 ( talk) 17:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
It says "Famous for having a big ass and a sex tape" which doesn't really sound... right. :P Someone want to fix this? (I'm not sure exactly what it should be changed to, and I have no idea who she is)-- 69.24.178.132 ( talk) 01:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
The term is traced back to Boorstin. I restored the deleted paragraph and added more references.-- Work permit ( talk) 01:09, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
FBF without Pia Zadora?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.183.190 ( talk) 00:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I would hardly consider Jessica Simpson "Famesque" according to this article's definition. It clearly states on her page "She has achieved seven Billboard Top 40 hits, three gold and two multi-platinum Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) certified studio albums, four of which have reached the top 10 on the US Billboard 200."
If that is considered achieving very little, then I don't know what is considered a lot anymore. Scope000 ( talk) 17:06, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
It would be interesting to mention possible causes for this social phenomenon and how it varies from culture to culture (and even through time). I don't know where to start searching for reliable sources on this but it would be interesting. Hamsterlopithecus ( talk) 17:28, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
A list of "famous" people has been added to this article. I am curious about the criteria for inclusion (or rather, criteria for exclusion) that might keep this list at a manageable size and able to be managed by interested editors. I should say that we will require a reliable secondary source to explicitly denote each one of these list members as famous for being famous or a similar description. What else? Elizium23 ( talk) 20:03, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
I am a bit sceptical about the criteria used in the opening section, especially the inclusion of Katie Price. She had previously had a (glamour) modelling career as "Jordan" prior to reverting to her birth name. I don't claim that modelling is any particularly noteworthy talent, but if you dismiss modelling, then almost by definition, all models are FFBF.
While I am here, I would suggest the late Jade Goody is worthy of inclusion in this list. 46.7.85.68 ( talk) 14:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Also Calum Best, who is famous for being the son of footballer, the late George Best. 46.7.85.68 ( talk) 10:21, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
In the current state, the examples given are all female and are all famous within the English-speaking world. We could do with some international examples and I think we especially need to balance the gender inequality a little bit. Or, if that's not possible, it should be explained via references. I don't really follow celebrities, but I assume the "famous for being famous" thing applies just as easily to guys as gals. Any suggestions? Matt Deres ( talk) 17:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
The word appeared again in a 1985 Newsweek article about New York City's clubland celebrities, focusing on the lifestyle of writer James St. James, Lisa Edelstein, who was named New York City's "Queen of the Night" by St. James and who was referenced briefly in his 1999 book Disco Bloodbath, and Dianne Brill, who was crowned "Queen of the Night" by Andy Warhol.
If you can parse that on a quick first pass (without the bold text), you're a better (hu)man than I.
A couple of semicolons help to put lipstick on an excessively subordinated pig:
The word appeared again in a 1985 Newsweek article about New York City's clubland celebrities, focusing on the lifestyle of writer James St. James; Lisa Edelstein, who was named New York City's "Queen of the Night" by St. James and who was referenced briefly in his 1999 book Disco Bloodbath; and Dianne Brill, who was crowned "Queen of the Night" by Andy Warhol.
Before the modification:
The word appeared again in a 1985 Newsweek article about New York City's clubland celebrities, focusing on the lifestyle of James St. James, Lisa Edelstein and Dianne Brill, who was crowned "Queen of the Night" by Andy Warhol.
Easily comprehended in this version.
I could do the semicolon thing, but I'm going to simply revert this to the original sentence without the added material, which doesn't strike me as all that important.
If someone wants to add this material back in a more elegant way, feel free to fill your boots so far as I'm concerned. — MaxEnt 22:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Pretty sure that they are the most well-known celebutantes of our time. They have often been called "famous for being famous" and having "no talent". They were previously also included in this article, but someone decided to delete it. Probably vandalism. So, I added them back with different, more recent, and more reliable sources. MrUnoDosTres ( talk) 06:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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Alli Paisley2005 ( talk) 13:28, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
How and why is this article a stub? There's only so much you can say about some things. Zebraic 22:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
BillyTFried ( talk) 02:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree with Freshacconci regarding Ono's fame. She was well known in the Avant Garde circles of New York, and was both a published author, as well as an exhibited artist. Her "art" may not have been something that you or I liked, but the chances are that this would apply to most artists whom neither of us have ever met. It was the fact that she was a known Artist that led to her meeting Lennon, though undoubtedly, Lennon made her world famous. 46.7.85.68 ( talk) 15:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Why not add Spencer Pratt & Heidi Montag? 190.59.12.88 ( talk) 03:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Primarily famous for being the subject/object/part-author of a 2003 sex tape? OK. Famous for her role in The Simple Life? If you insist. But primarily famous for being the grand-daughter of Barron Hilton? He has 23 grandchildren -- are the others also famous?
I've deleted some uncited additions. There are still some marginal entries. we should have citations that point to them being famous for being famous
I think that being the son of a President disqualified him from being "famous [solely] for being famous." 128.135.229.74 ( talk) 17:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
It says "Famous for having a big ass and a sex tape" which doesn't really sound... right. :P Someone want to fix this? (I'm not sure exactly what it should be changed to, and I have no idea who she is)-- 69.24.178.132 ( talk) 01:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
The term is traced back to Boorstin. I restored the deleted paragraph and added more references.-- Work permit ( talk) 01:09, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
FBF without Pia Zadora?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.183.190 ( talk) 00:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I would hardly consider Jessica Simpson "Famesque" according to this article's definition. It clearly states on her page "She has achieved seven Billboard Top 40 hits, three gold and two multi-platinum Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) certified studio albums, four of which have reached the top 10 on the US Billboard 200."
If that is considered achieving very little, then I don't know what is considered a lot anymore. Scope000 ( talk) 17:06, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
It would be interesting to mention possible causes for this social phenomenon and how it varies from culture to culture (and even through time). I don't know where to start searching for reliable sources on this but it would be interesting. Hamsterlopithecus ( talk) 17:28, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
A list of "famous" people has been added to this article. I am curious about the criteria for inclusion (or rather, criteria for exclusion) that might keep this list at a manageable size and able to be managed by interested editors. I should say that we will require a reliable secondary source to explicitly denote each one of these list members as famous for being famous or a similar description. What else? Elizium23 ( talk) 20:03, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
I am a bit sceptical about the criteria used in the opening section, especially the inclusion of Katie Price. She had previously had a (glamour) modelling career as "Jordan" prior to reverting to her birth name. I don't claim that modelling is any particularly noteworthy talent, but if you dismiss modelling, then almost by definition, all models are FFBF.
While I am here, I would suggest the late Jade Goody is worthy of inclusion in this list. 46.7.85.68 ( talk) 14:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Also Calum Best, who is famous for being the son of footballer, the late George Best. 46.7.85.68 ( talk) 10:21, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
In the current state, the examples given are all female and are all famous within the English-speaking world. We could do with some international examples and I think we especially need to balance the gender inequality a little bit. Or, if that's not possible, it should be explained via references. I don't really follow celebrities, but I assume the "famous for being famous" thing applies just as easily to guys as gals. Any suggestions? Matt Deres ( talk) 17:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
The word appeared again in a 1985 Newsweek article about New York City's clubland celebrities, focusing on the lifestyle of writer James St. James, Lisa Edelstein, who was named New York City's "Queen of the Night" by St. James and who was referenced briefly in his 1999 book Disco Bloodbath, and Dianne Brill, who was crowned "Queen of the Night" by Andy Warhol.
If you can parse that on a quick first pass (without the bold text), you're a better (hu)man than I.
A couple of semicolons help to put lipstick on an excessively subordinated pig:
The word appeared again in a 1985 Newsweek article about New York City's clubland celebrities, focusing on the lifestyle of writer James St. James; Lisa Edelstein, who was named New York City's "Queen of the Night" by St. James and who was referenced briefly in his 1999 book Disco Bloodbath; and Dianne Brill, who was crowned "Queen of the Night" by Andy Warhol.
Before the modification:
The word appeared again in a 1985 Newsweek article about New York City's clubland celebrities, focusing on the lifestyle of James St. James, Lisa Edelstein and Dianne Brill, who was crowned "Queen of the Night" by Andy Warhol.
Easily comprehended in this version.
I could do the semicolon thing, but I'm going to simply revert this to the original sentence without the added material, which doesn't strike me as all that important.
If someone wants to add this material back in a more elegant way, feel free to fill your boots so far as I'm concerned. — MaxEnt 22:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Pretty sure that they are the most well-known celebutantes of our time. They have often been called "famous for being famous" and having "no talent". They were previously also included in this article, but someone decided to delete it. Probably vandalism. So, I added them back with different, more recent, and more reliable sources. MrUnoDosTres ( talk) 06:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)