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According to the GLAAD media reference guide on transgender individuals:
Fallon Fox should be referred to as a woman even when discussing her past. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenect2 ( talk • contribs) 03:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
wikipedia takes the position that verifiability trumps truth. If it says female on his drivers license than that is verifiable. The truth is unimportant according to the standards of this "encyclopedia" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.136.200 ( talk) 14:28, 21 November 2014
Also, it's a fact that insisting on using pronouns for a trans person that don't correlate to their gender identity is actively harmful, psychologically & emotionally abusive, and is the same 100.14.32.111 ( talk) 03:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Along these lines, can we please fix this pronoun? "As a teenager, Fox believed *he* may have been a gay man" Andraleia ( talk) 20:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Regarding some of the protests, while guys like Matt Mitrione are clearly being bigoted, I am hoping the basis of objection from more respected sources like Joe Rogan could be clarified. There is a bit of a valid objection regarding things like testosterone levels, physical strength, etc. Like could we clarify if FF's test levels are down to the usual level of females, or if they might be higher and closer to average males? Ranze ( talk) 21:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
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Under Fallon_Fox#Controversy could we have a paragraph break between "report on the issue." and "Due to controversy"? The discussion of the fight being postponed is very distinctive from the discussion about what commentators like Joe Rogan are saying, in terms of different contexts of results. Ranze ( talk) 21:04, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
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"Still living as a heterosexual male, Fox impregnated her girlfriend at the age of 19."
This should be deleted; it is irrelevant to the article and a violation of Fox' and her girlfriend's privacy. Since it is a privacy violation, please also delete this Talk section once the edit is made. -- Daira Hopwood ⚥ ( talk) 21:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I really don't think it can count as a privacy violation if she herself said it. Note that Fox said "a girl", not "my girlfriend", though. Maybe that should be changed. Ignatz mice• talk 22:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)"I did experiment, trying to figure out what I did and didn't like," said Fallon. "Around 19, I got a girl pregnant. I really didn't want to get married, but I was raised with the belief to marry that person and take care of our child."
The fight tonight listed her as age 36. Wikipedia lists her as 43. Please investigate. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.74.1.103 ( talk) 03:33, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Time gives her birth name as Burton Boyd, while the New York Times and other sources give it as Boyd Burton. Since blog posts tend to get a bit less editorial oversight than articles, and since a Google search gets pretty much nothing, I'm pretty sure that the Time guy just made a mistake. Still, if anyone else sees it given in that order anywhere, we can throw in a footnote saying that it's unclear. (Like with Scooter Libby or a similar article.) — PinkAmpers & (Je vous invite à me parler) 05:55, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
A very basic user-warning template can be found at User:Ignatzmice/uw-transpronoun (apparently caps are important), if anyone wants to use it. I'll be AFK for the rest of the day, most likely; if someone with more experience wants to add bells and whistles, feel free. Ignatz mice• talk 14:01, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Usage: {{subst:User:Ignatzmice/uw-transpronoun|number of equivalent warning}}
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Is there a reason she isn't included in Category:Female_mixed_martial_artists? (Not sure how to link to it without attaching it to this talk page.) -- 98.220.56.22 ( talk) 17:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
[[:Category:Female mixed martial artists]]
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Per WP:LINKSTYLE, in general, if readers may not be familiar with a certain important term, we should explain it briefly in the article in addition to providing a link to a fuller explanation. To that end, I included a brief explanation of the term cisgender after its first usage in the article. (I'm the one who made use of the term here in the first place, for what it's worth.) I did that after User:Silverhand's a few weeks prior; while the link he added was redundant, I certainly saw his point that "cisgender" is likely too technical a term for many of our readers.
Anyways, now it seems that there's some disagreement as to whether the explanation is necessary. IP user 96.40.167.57 ( talk · contribs) contends that it is not; User:Ignatzmice appears to support its inclusion. So I thought I'd bring us all together to talk about this. The way I see it, there's two questions here:
Let me know what y'all think. — PinkAmpers & (Je vous invite à me parler) 12:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Cisgender is a pejorative and has been removed. Factchecker170 ( talk) 18:36, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Should advantage read "unfair advantage" or perhaps "unique advantage"? Every superior athlete has an advantage. Advantages are generally not controversial. The controversy is over if the athlete has an unique advantage that give her an unfair edge over other female athletes. Certainly as the only transitioned female MMA competitor she is "unique", and the claims that her former male body is stronger than any biologically female bodies implies that the advantage is "unfair". Factchecker170 ( talk) 18:41, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I'd call a man beating a woman an unfair advantage. AntonFMD ( talk) 08:30, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
The use of the word "cis" does not fall under Wikipedia's neutrality guidelines. "Cis" is a politicized term used by the far left, it would be the equivalent of replacing the word "transgender" with "tranny" which would be an equally loaded term. I would recommend the paragraph reads as follows:
Current state of research indicates that some trans women have less muscle strength and bone density than men, even though still higher than women, prior to medical treatment. The researchers concluded that this was likely due to a difference in lifestyle, not some innate biological difference in trans women.[9][10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.24.191 ( talk) 15:55, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
The phrase referring to her as a biological male isn't actually supported by a citation. On Wikipedia Trans women are defined as "assigned male at birth". Do better, you cis white gay men. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:B100:F446:9D10:466B:8D6D:1499:F7CA ( talk) 02:55, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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Revert Fallon's pronouns to female ones. Vandalism Teckiels ( talk) 05:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph, transgender is an adjective, so it should be openly transgender, "openly" being an adverb. If you're going to edit lock a page at least make sure there aren't stupid mistakes like this
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Please change "He is the first open transgender athlete in MMA history." to "She is the first open transgender athlete in MMA history.", As Fallon Fox identifies as a woman, and the rest of the article refers to her as such. 107.77.202.114 ( talk) 01:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
This hasn't been corrected or was reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.127.169.59 ( talk) 03:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Necro on this semantic argument. The word "cis" is not a Wikipedia-friendly neutral term. User Redrose64 contests this by bringing up a silly Latin-source etymology. First of all, the term "cis" as used to refer to non-transgender people is much more recent than the assimilation of the Latin prefix cis- into English. Latin trans- and cis- were, of course, not a complimentary pair as Redrose64 so claims, neither in Latin nor in English. The Latin prefix cis- derives from PIE *ḱe whereas The Latin noun trāns derives from PIE *terh2. The former was an affix for relative positioning (deixis) and the latter was a root meaning to overcome or pass across. These are not only completely different types of words but they are also not even semantically similar. The claim that cis- meant "on this side" and trans- means "on that side" in Latin is absurd. Latin modified *terh2 into trāns such that "overcome" became "beyond." The only source I could find that said trans meant "on that side" is a Wiktionary page which cites a dictionary with a conflicting definition.
What really matters isn't the Latin or the PIE it came from; in English, the term cis is specifically used as a curt form of cisgendered. It is a common pattern indeed for English speakers to shorten adjectives when attempting to make them derogatory (contrast "black people" with "blacks," "Communist" with "commie," or "Hispanic" with "spic"). Cis follows this pattern (although with a lesser intensity) and thus has no place on Wikipedia. The same applies to the term "trans woman," it should be changed to "transgender woman." SapientiaBrittaniae ( talk) 05:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
The Latin-source etymology outlined by Redrose64 is not silly: 'cis' and 'trans' were in common use to refer to the provinces inhabited by Gauls on 'this side' of the Alps ("Cisalpine Gaul" - Gallia Cisalpina), and the side across the Alps ("Transalpine Gaul"). Cisalpine Gaul stretched from the Alps to the Rubicon. Anyone who has studied Latin or Ancient Roman history knows that these, as the actual names of two Roman provinces, are completely mainstream terms. The prefix 'cis' was used in relation to various mountains and rivers, but this was by far the most commonplace usage. It seems likely that the modern neologism 'cisgender' was inspired by the common designation of these two provinces and the need to find an opposite to 'transgender': Burchard first used it in 1914 for the opposite of 'transvestite'...though as a scientist it is also possible he took it from organic chemistry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.199.2.103 ( talk) 15:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
This Wikipedia page has this supposed experience from Tamikka Brent about fighting Fallon Fox:
"During Fox's fight against Tamikka Brents, Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round. After her loss, Brents took to social media to convey her thoughts on the experience of fighting Fox: "I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man or not because I'm not a doctor. I can only say, I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right," she stated. "Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn't move at all in Fox's clinch..."
This text comes is found in alt-right, transphobic news websites, and it's supposedly cited from " an exclusive interview with whoatv" but without much proofs about the interview being actually real. (Plus, if the interview was actually real then Tamikka Brent didn't in fact "took to social media to convey her thoughts").
Can someone help me with the fact-checking of this cite, and remove it if it's indeed fake?
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Unfortunately, reliable sources say Fox had her surgery at Bangkok National Hospital. Google that with quotes and nothing comes up. What is undoubtedly meant is BNH Hospital, which means “Bangkok Nursing Home Hospital,” which was known as a sex change hospital until a few years ago. Can we add a footnote suggesting that or would it be WP:OR? Google search of BNH and Fallon Fox could not find confirmation. Raquel Baranow ( talk) 23:37, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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please remove she with he Guy from fortnite ( talk) 19:50, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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This is Fallon Fox. This is a request for the photo in this Wikipedia article be updated from what it is now to the following.
You can find the updated photo here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Official_photo_of_Fallon_Fox.jpg
Please feel free to reach out to my official website www.thefallonfox.com if you need more information or confirmation.
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I Jaelah Michelle Russell am an open transgender professional mixed martial artist. there is a documentary about me in the Nebraska state athletic commisions website as i came out in 2015 while competing professionally. www.athcomm.nebraska.gov is the website then search pre op transgender fighter Michelle russell. tehn update your wikifacts because your facts are incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.152.236.138 ( talk) 19:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
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Delete Joe Rogan quote. It is violently transphobic and completely unnecessary in this context 98.116.167.50 ( talk) 00:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
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00:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Newimpartial, Fleets. Please discuss your concerns instead of edit warring. Theheezy ( talk) 17:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
just plain wrong. Also, is there anything in the MOS that actually supports your edit, in your view, or are we actually discussing your feelings? Newimpartial ( talk) 11:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Biology- as relevant to pronoun use. Why do you feel it to be worth mentioning, much less a factor to be
respectfulabout? Pronoun use in English has never been based on biology.
I'm afraid I don't understand what you are saying here. Is there some part of the article text that you interpret as having the same issue as Jane Doe fathered a child
? I don't see anything of the kind.
Newimpartial (
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quick grabhere runs afoul of the community's concept of WP:WIKILAWYERING (while also being a kind of VAGUEWAVE). That doesn't strengthen the WEIGHT to be given to your opinion. Newimpartial ( talk) 10:36, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
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According to the GLAAD media reference guide on transgender individuals:
Fallon Fox should be referred to as a woman even when discussing her past. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenect2 ( talk • contribs) 03:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
wikipedia takes the position that verifiability trumps truth. If it says female on his drivers license than that is verifiable. The truth is unimportant according to the standards of this "encyclopedia" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.136.200 ( talk) 14:28, 21 November 2014
Also, it's a fact that insisting on using pronouns for a trans person that don't correlate to their gender identity is actively harmful, psychologically & emotionally abusive, and is the same 100.14.32.111 ( talk) 03:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Along these lines, can we please fix this pronoun? "As a teenager, Fox believed *he* may have been a gay man" Andraleia ( talk) 20:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Regarding some of the protests, while guys like Matt Mitrione are clearly being bigoted, I am hoping the basis of objection from more respected sources like Joe Rogan could be clarified. There is a bit of a valid objection regarding things like testosterone levels, physical strength, etc. Like could we clarify if FF's test levels are down to the usual level of females, or if they might be higher and closer to average males? Ranze ( talk) 21:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
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Under Fallon_Fox#Controversy could we have a paragraph break between "report on the issue." and "Due to controversy"? The discussion of the fight being postponed is very distinctive from the discussion about what commentators like Joe Rogan are saying, in terms of different contexts of results. Ranze ( talk) 21:04, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
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"Still living as a heterosexual male, Fox impregnated her girlfriend at the age of 19."
This should be deleted; it is irrelevant to the article and a violation of Fox' and her girlfriend's privacy. Since it is a privacy violation, please also delete this Talk section once the edit is made. -- Daira Hopwood ⚥ ( talk) 21:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I really don't think it can count as a privacy violation if she herself said it. Note that Fox said "a girl", not "my girlfriend", though. Maybe that should be changed. Ignatz mice• talk 22:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)"I did experiment, trying to figure out what I did and didn't like," said Fallon. "Around 19, I got a girl pregnant. I really didn't want to get married, but I was raised with the belief to marry that person and take care of our child."
The fight tonight listed her as age 36. Wikipedia lists her as 43. Please investigate. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.74.1.103 ( talk) 03:33, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Time gives her birth name as Burton Boyd, while the New York Times and other sources give it as Boyd Burton. Since blog posts tend to get a bit less editorial oversight than articles, and since a Google search gets pretty much nothing, I'm pretty sure that the Time guy just made a mistake. Still, if anyone else sees it given in that order anywhere, we can throw in a footnote saying that it's unclear. (Like with Scooter Libby or a similar article.) — PinkAmpers & (Je vous invite à me parler) 05:55, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
A very basic user-warning template can be found at User:Ignatzmice/uw-transpronoun (apparently caps are important), if anyone wants to use it. I'll be AFK for the rest of the day, most likely; if someone with more experience wants to add bells and whistles, feel free. Ignatz mice• talk 14:01, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Usage: {{subst:User:Ignatzmice/uw-transpronoun|number of equivalent warning}}
(note: use 1, 2, 3, 4, 4im)
{{subst:User:Ignatzmice/uw-transpronoun|number of equivalent warning|IP}}
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Is there a reason she isn't included in Category:Female_mixed_martial_artists? (Not sure how to link to it without attaching it to this talk page.) -- 98.220.56.22 ( talk) 17:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
[[:Category:Female mixed martial artists]]
or you can use the {{
cl}}
template, as in {{
cl|Female mixed martial artists}}
which gives
Category:Female mixed martial artists. Anyway, I can't think of a good reason why not. --
Redrose64 (
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19:01, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Per WP:LINKSTYLE, in general, if readers may not be familiar with a certain important term, we should explain it briefly in the article in addition to providing a link to a fuller explanation. To that end, I included a brief explanation of the term cisgender after its first usage in the article. (I'm the one who made use of the term here in the first place, for what it's worth.) I did that after User:Silverhand's a few weeks prior; while the link he added was redundant, I certainly saw his point that "cisgender" is likely too technical a term for many of our readers.
Anyways, now it seems that there's some disagreement as to whether the explanation is necessary. IP user 96.40.167.57 ( talk · contribs) contends that it is not; User:Ignatzmice appears to support its inclusion. So I thought I'd bring us all together to talk about this. The way I see it, there's two questions here:
Let me know what y'all think. — PinkAmpers & (Je vous invite à me parler) 12:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Cisgender is a pejorative and has been removed. Factchecker170 ( talk) 18:36, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Should advantage read "unfair advantage" or perhaps "unique advantage"? Every superior athlete has an advantage. Advantages are generally not controversial. The controversy is over if the athlete has an unique advantage that give her an unfair edge over other female athletes. Certainly as the only transitioned female MMA competitor she is "unique", and the claims that her former male body is stronger than any biologically female bodies implies that the advantage is "unfair". Factchecker170 ( talk) 18:41, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I'd call a man beating a woman an unfair advantage. AntonFMD ( talk) 08:30, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
The use of the word "cis" does not fall under Wikipedia's neutrality guidelines. "Cis" is a politicized term used by the far left, it would be the equivalent of replacing the word "transgender" with "tranny" which would be an equally loaded term. I would recommend the paragraph reads as follows:
Current state of research indicates that some trans women have less muscle strength and bone density than men, even though still higher than women, prior to medical treatment. The researchers concluded that this was likely due to a difference in lifestyle, not some innate biological difference in trans women.[9][10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.24.191 ( talk) 15:55, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
The phrase referring to her as a biological male isn't actually supported by a citation. On Wikipedia Trans women are defined as "assigned male at birth". Do better, you cis white gay men. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:B100:F446:9D10:466B:8D6D:1499:F7CA ( talk) 02:55, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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Revert Fallon's pronouns to female ones. Vandalism Teckiels ( talk) 05:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph, transgender is an adjective, so it should be openly transgender, "openly" being an adverb. If you're going to edit lock a page at least make sure there aren't stupid mistakes like this
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Please change "He is the first open transgender athlete in MMA history." to "She is the first open transgender athlete in MMA history.", As Fallon Fox identifies as a woman, and the rest of the article refers to her as such. 107.77.202.114 ( talk) 01:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
This hasn't been corrected or was reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.127.169.59 ( talk) 03:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Necro on this semantic argument. The word "cis" is not a Wikipedia-friendly neutral term. User Redrose64 contests this by bringing up a silly Latin-source etymology. First of all, the term "cis" as used to refer to non-transgender people is much more recent than the assimilation of the Latin prefix cis- into English. Latin trans- and cis- were, of course, not a complimentary pair as Redrose64 so claims, neither in Latin nor in English. The Latin prefix cis- derives from PIE *ḱe whereas The Latin noun trāns derives from PIE *terh2. The former was an affix for relative positioning (deixis) and the latter was a root meaning to overcome or pass across. These are not only completely different types of words but they are also not even semantically similar. The claim that cis- meant "on this side" and trans- means "on that side" in Latin is absurd. Latin modified *terh2 into trāns such that "overcome" became "beyond." The only source I could find that said trans meant "on that side" is a Wiktionary page which cites a dictionary with a conflicting definition.
What really matters isn't the Latin or the PIE it came from; in English, the term cis is specifically used as a curt form of cisgendered. It is a common pattern indeed for English speakers to shorten adjectives when attempting to make them derogatory (contrast "black people" with "blacks," "Communist" with "commie," or "Hispanic" with "spic"). Cis follows this pattern (although with a lesser intensity) and thus has no place on Wikipedia. The same applies to the term "trans woman," it should be changed to "transgender woman." SapientiaBrittaniae ( talk) 05:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
The Latin-source etymology outlined by Redrose64 is not silly: 'cis' and 'trans' were in common use to refer to the provinces inhabited by Gauls on 'this side' of the Alps ("Cisalpine Gaul" - Gallia Cisalpina), and the side across the Alps ("Transalpine Gaul"). Cisalpine Gaul stretched from the Alps to the Rubicon. Anyone who has studied Latin or Ancient Roman history knows that these, as the actual names of two Roman provinces, are completely mainstream terms. The prefix 'cis' was used in relation to various mountains and rivers, but this was by far the most commonplace usage. It seems likely that the modern neologism 'cisgender' was inspired by the common designation of these two provinces and the need to find an opposite to 'transgender': Burchard first used it in 1914 for the opposite of 'transvestite'...though as a scientist it is also possible he took it from organic chemistry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.199.2.103 ( talk) 15:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
This Wikipedia page has this supposed experience from Tamikka Brent about fighting Fallon Fox:
"During Fox's fight against Tamikka Brents, Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round. After her loss, Brents took to social media to convey her thoughts on the experience of fighting Fox: "I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man or not because I'm not a doctor. I can only say, I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right," she stated. "Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn't move at all in Fox's clinch..."
This text comes is found in alt-right, transphobic news websites, and it's supposedly cited from " an exclusive interview with whoatv" but without much proofs about the interview being actually real. (Plus, if the interview was actually real then Tamikka Brent didn't in fact "took to social media to convey her thoughts").
Can someone help me with the fact-checking of this cite, and remove it if it's indeed fake?
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Unfortunately, reliable sources say Fox had her surgery at Bangkok National Hospital. Google that with quotes and nothing comes up. What is undoubtedly meant is BNH Hospital, which means “Bangkok Nursing Home Hospital,” which was known as a sex change hospital until a few years ago. Can we add a footnote suggesting that or would it be WP:OR? Google search of BNH and Fallon Fox could not find confirmation. Raquel Baranow ( talk) 23:37, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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please remove she with he Guy from fortnite ( talk) 19:50, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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This is Fallon Fox. This is a request for the photo in this Wikipedia article be updated from what it is now to the following.
You can find the updated photo here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Official_photo_of_Fallon_Fox.jpg
Please feel free to reach out to my official website www.thefallonfox.com if you need more information or confirmation.
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I Jaelah Michelle Russell am an open transgender professional mixed martial artist. there is a documentary about me in the Nebraska state athletic commisions website as i came out in 2015 while competing professionally. www.athcomm.nebraska.gov is the website then search pre op transgender fighter Michelle russell. tehn update your wikifacts because your facts are incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.152.236.138 ( talk) 19:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
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Delete Joe Rogan quote. It is violently transphobic and completely unnecessary in this context 98.116.167.50 ( talk) 00:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
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00:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Newimpartial, Fleets. Please discuss your concerns instead of edit warring. Theheezy ( talk) 17:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
just plain wrong. Also, is there anything in the MOS that actually supports your edit, in your view, or are we actually discussing your feelings? Newimpartial ( talk) 11:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Biology- as relevant to pronoun use. Why do you feel it to be worth mentioning, much less a factor to be
respectfulabout? Pronoun use in English has never been based on biology.
I'm afraid I don't understand what you are saying here. Is there some part of the article text that you interpret as having the same issue as Jane Doe fathered a child
? I don't see anything of the kind.
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01:24, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
quick grabhere runs afoul of the community's concept of WP:WIKILAWYERING (while also being a kind of VAGUEWAVE). That doesn't strengthen the WEIGHT to be given to your opinion. Newimpartial ( talk) 10:36, 26 June 2022 (UTC)