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Wouldn't " 1998 Indonesian Revolution" be a better title? Coffee 07:00, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
This wikipedia entry (per 30 sep 2005) is biased and lack further info. This wikipedia entry gives impression that the student activists are the one commiting the riot in 1998. Based on Romo Sandyawan report, the riot is committed deliberately by the Indonesian military members (special task force) as way to intimidate people to suppress activism against government - and not malay muslim indonesians per se. Secondly, the wikipedia entry also gives impression that the victim of the riot is only chinese. It is not true. Non chinese are also victimised, a lot of them are burned trapped inside a burning shopping centre. Indonesians, both chinese and non chinese are victim in this riot.
After editing the articles Suharto and History of Indonesia and several others, I believe an effort needs to be made to refine existing articles on historical events in Indonesia, and to correct the omissions on English Wikipedia by creating new articles on major events/periods in Indonesian history (e.g. Pre-colonial, Colonial, Post-Independence, Confrontation, 65-66 Civil War etc.).
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I've started some work, creating an outline (as well as a template that can be applied to History of Indonesia related pages) that can be seen here: Template:History of Indonesia. For an idea of what I believe the target for quality and organization, please take a peek at History of Russia.
I understand this is a long task, and that no one person could be/should be in charge of all this. (Especially not me, since being born/raised in the United States, the sources I have tend to give the buleh view of things.) So I am posting this message on applicable Talk pages, and ask that folks think it over, and if possible offer any help. Especially appreciated would be any folks who could streamline the process by translating related Wikipedia Indonesia articles into English.
Please steer comments to Wikipedia_talk:Indonesia-related_topics_notice_board. -- Daniel 21:36, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I am changing the "Only four ethnic Chinese Students were killed" to "Four ethnic Chinese students were killed"
I agree with User:Merbabu's deletion of an unreferenced, badly written section on the financial crisis, but shouldn't there be some discussion of it? Seems bizarre not to mention it at all in this article. -- Dylanfly 14:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
By the way, where is the reference you added here? Is it "Indonesia Country Report on Human Rights Practices for 1998"? If so, can you point out which section you used? cheers -- Merbabu 14:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
The article's name Indonesian Revolution of 1998 is not quite right. Although it had elements of revolution - rioting, popular protests, fall of an authoritarian leader - it was not quite a revolution in that much of the status quo remained - many would say that even though Suharto resigned 10 years ago, the New Order or elements of it, remain. Further, who else calls it the Indonesian Revolution? I suggest it's a "wikipedia'ism."
We need to find a new name that is more accurate but not point of view - what suggestions? I suggest it takes into account all leading to the resignation of Suharto. ie, July 1996 - or even the early 1990s events, the krismon, thru to Suharto's resignation and the fresh elections.
Some suggestions already discussed amongst a few editors:
Other thoughts? Let's discuss before we make a change - if a change is indeed needed. -- Merbabu ( talk) 10:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
It seems that "Fall of Suharto" is the most favoured from the above discussion, and also previous discussion here. I will change it over if there is no further response within, say, 2 days. I presume that is OK?? regards -- Merbabu ( talk) 02:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Looking forward to defining the scope of this article a bit, I am proposing the name of this article be changed (among others) to Indonesian crisis of 1997–1998. This allows us to cover economic, social, and political implications of the time period. Economic crisis involves "Krisis Moneter"; social crisis can involve the spike in food prices in 1997; and political crisis involves everything around Suharto. My other recommendation is that the "Dissent" section be limited to only the 20th century and merged with the 1996 PDI incident into a section called "Precursor" or something of that equivalent. Arsonal ( talk) 05:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
The "Riots of May 13-14" section seems to exaggerate the reality of the situation on May 13-14, 1998 in Jakarta. While certain areas of Jakarta including Mangga Dua and Glodok were reported to have a notable lack of a military presence, other areas were so well guarded by heavily armed military and police units that it was still considered relatively safe to go to the mall during the riots. Pondok Indah was one such place guarded by armor units of the Indonesian military, and emerged unscathed. Various media video and photos (several archived on CNN) will support the presence of military and riot police.
The notable lack of military and police presence mainly was centered around heavily Chinese populated areas of Jakarta. This was the fuel that fed the conspiracy fire asserting the government were using the Chinese as scapegoats to shift blame for the tough economic conditions that helped lead to Indonesia's upheaval. Marine0352 ( talk) 16:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
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Wouldn't " 1998 Indonesian Revolution" be a better title? Coffee 07:00, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
This wikipedia entry (per 30 sep 2005) is biased and lack further info. This wikipedia entry gives impression that the student activists are the one commiting the riot in 1998. Based on Romo Sandyawan report, the riot is committed deliberately by the Indonesian military members (special task force) as way to intimidate people to suppress activism against government - and not malay muslim indonesians per se. Secondly, the wikipedia entry also gives impression that the victim of the riot is only chinese. It is not true. Non chinese are also victimised, a lot of them are burned trapped inside a burning shopping centre. Indonesians, both chinese and non chinese are victim in this riot.
After editing the articles Suharto and History of Indonesia and several others, I believe an effort needs to be made to refine existing articles on historical events in Indonesia, and to correct the omissions on English Wikipedia by creating new articles on major events/periods in Indonesian history (e.g. Pre-colonial, Colonial, Post-Independence, Confrontation, 65-66 Civil War etc.).
This would allow the article History of Indonesia be a more general summary-style page (for those who want a broad overview of the area's history), and allow those who wish for greater depth to examine the articles on historical eras/events. That is, those who wish to examine Indonesia under Sukarno could look at a Post-Independence Era page, without being burdened by having to navigate stuff on the Majapahit Empire.
I've started some work, creating an outline (as well as a template that can be applied to History of Indonesia related pages) that can be seen here: Template:History of Indonesia. For an idea of what I believe the target for quality and organization, please take a peek at History of Russia.
I understand this is a long task, and that no one person could be/should be in charge of all this. (Especially not me, since being born/raised in the United States, the sources I have tend to give the buleh view of things.) So I am posting this message on applicable Talk pages, and ask that folks think it over, and if possible offer any help. Especially appreciated would be any folks who could streamline the process by translating related Wikipedia Indonesia articles into English.
Please steer comments to Wikipedia_talk:Indonesia-related_topics_notice_board. -- Daniel 21:36, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I am changing the "Only four ethnic Chinese Students were killed" to "Four ethnic Chinese students were killed"
I agree with User:Merbabu's deletion of an unreferenced, badly written section on the financial crisis, but shouldn't there be some discussion of it? Seems bizarre not to mention it at all in this article. -- Dylanfly 14:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
By the way, where is the reference you added here? Is it "Indonesia Country Report on Human Rights Practices for 1998"? If so, can you point out which section you used? cheers -- Merbabu 14:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
The article's name Indonesian Revolution of 1998 is not quite right. Although it had elements of revolution - rioting, popular protests, fall of an authoritarian leader - it was not quite a revolution in that much of the status quo remained - many would say that even though Suharto resigned 10 years ago, the New Order or elements of it, remain. Further, who else calls it the Indonesian Revolution? I suggest it's a "wikipedia'ism."
We need to find a new name that is more accurate but not point of view - what suggestions? I suggest it takes into account all leading to the resignation of Suharto. ie, July 1996 - or even the early 1990s events, the krismon, thru to Suharto's resignation and the fresh elections.
Some suggestions already discussed amongst a few editors:
Other thoughts? Let's discuss before we make a change - if a change is indeed needed. -- Merbabu ( talk) 10:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
It seems that "Fall of Suharto" is the most favoured from the above discussion, and also previous discussion here. I will change it over if there is no further response within, say, 2 days. I presume that is OK?? regards -- Merbabu ( talk) 02:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Looking forward to defining the scope of this article a bit, I am proposing the name of this article be changed (among others) to Indonesian crisis of 1997–1998. This allows us to cover economic, social, and political implications of the time period. Economic crisis involves "Krisis Moneter"; social crisis can involve the spike in food prices in 1997; and political crisis involves everything around Suharto. My other recommendation is that the "Dissent" section be limited to only the 20th century and merged with the 1996 PDI incident into a section called "Precursor" or something of that equivalent. Arsonal ( talk) 05:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
The "Riots of May 13-14" section seems to exaggerate the reality of the situation on May 13-14, 1998 in Jakarta. While certain areas of Jakarta including Mangga Dua and Glodok were reported to have a notable lack of a military presence, other areas were so well guarded by heavily armed military and police units that it was still considered relatively safe to go to the mall during the riots. Pondok Indah was one such place guarded by armor units of the Indonesian military, and emerged unscathed. Various media video and photos (several archived on CNN) will support the presence of military and riot police.
The notable lack of military and police presence mainly was centered around heavily Chinese populated areas of Jakarta. This was the fuel that fed the conspiracy fire asserting the government were using the Chinese as scapegoats to shift blame for the tough economic conditions that helped lead to Indonesia's upheaval. Marine0352 ( talk) 16:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
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