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Does anyone think the disambiguation page for FAG should redirect to the Film Actor's Guild? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.48.241 ( talk) 11:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
The word fag is continually being used in modern day society as a negative term. It is no longer associated with gay or titties homosexual faggot tendencies. Nowadays "You are just a fag!" has absolutely nothing to do with the sexual tendencies of the person being accused.
I suggest this is expanded upon in the article. My son has just accused me of being a fag for writing this. I do not believe I am homosexual.
I think that the meaning of the word fag is changing. It no longer seems to mean homosexual, although it once did. I think the new meaning is closer to "loud, obnoxious, arrogant". Re the South park episode "The F Word" airdate 11/04/09, where the main characters use the word to mean "obnoxious harley rider". Certainly, the 20-30 year olds in my social group use it interchangably with "douch-bag" and "asshole", as a prejorative term.
What's the feeling? Should fag and faggot have different pages or should one redirect to the other? Also, anyone want to help out with this entry? -- Dante Alighieri
Not just American teens - and fag can be used against non homosexuual people - i was apparently a "fag" for being disabled
Haven't people ever heard a cigarette called a homo queer fag? Perhaps that should be in here somewhere?
Yes, I believe Europeans sometimes call cigarettes "fags".
No in Europe generally. It's a British and Irish term. Mintguy 12:47 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)
And I think "faggot" is some sort of a plant?
Originally the word meant bundle of sticks. The perjurative term originated from people who collected faggots for a living - primarily the old and the poor.
Regarding the usage in British schools... a fag is one who fags? Verb and noun? -- Dante Alighieri 01:06 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)
Right now, the article implies that "fag" and "faggot" are not used in British English as pejorative terms for male homosexual. Is that correct? AxelBoldt 21:11 Mar 16, 2003 (UTC)
"Faggot" certainly has this meaning in England (with meatballs and bundles of firewood as still current, but slightly old-fashioned senses). "Fag" is understood as "cigarette" when spoken by a Brit, but is recognized in the US sense when spoken by an American. -- Heron
I'm reverting to the version before Deb removed the faggot sections as I believe that they belong in the article. The only edit since then is an edit that is made obsolete by the revert. -- Dante Alighieri 02:07, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
It's good to see that this entertainingly overloaded word is still provoking discussion.
I don't believe this about fag-end. I think the use of "fag-end" to mean useless thing comes from the understanding of fag as a cigarette. What could be more useless than the last bit of cigarette? for a smoker it's the most depressing thing to have to go through your ashtray trying to find fag ends that could possibly be reused.
Any other possible genesis for fag?
Maybe the Yiddish Feygele? It means the same and sounds similar.
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>In the United Kingdom a faggot (never abbreviated to 'fag') is a dish made of chopped meat and herbs, rolled into a ball and fried.
Please note the new definition as referenced by the creators of South Park in episode 1312 Fag:1) An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person most commonly associated with Harley riders. 2) A person who frequently rides or owns a Harley A fag is Gia Bear
Hmm, I think there was nothing wrong with 'Origins' I wrote (with IP 80.99.141.102).. Why did you remove it? I learn British Civilisation, and we learnt it from a British guy (and it's in our book as well). It's a fact. I didn't use any bad words or things like that in it.
First off, let's cover what a disambiguation page is for. It exists, not to define terms, but to allow a reader to quickly select between a list of sources of more information. Thus, the goal is to give as little information as possible while resolving ambiguity.
Why very little information? Well, in my opinion, this is because information on a disambiguation page isn't going to see the same level of scrutiny and debate that focused, well defined topic articles will.
Ok, now on to the official guidelines as stated at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages):
These three rules of disambiguation are violated several times in the body of this article. My edit was really not perfect at all, as I preserved two violations on the line I edited (while removing several) and left all of the other lines alone. I'll correct that, and turn this into a real disambiguation page.
Reverting my change seems counter-productive in the extreme, as you are supporting the poorly maintained content of this page. If you want some particular concept to be covered in the definition / history / explanation of a particular meaning of the word fag, then you should probably edit the appropriate page for that particular meaning. - Harmil 04:01, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
As I understand it, the origin of the term "fag" as referring to homosexual is related to cigar smoking. A cigar, it seems, is something smoked by men. A fag, referring to a small cigar (which takes it's connotation fron the "fag" meaning small kindling ... i.e. small things that smoke). "Real men" smoke cigar, women (and effem. men) smoke the smaller "twig" fags (i.e. cigarettes).
( 75.40.178.87 02:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC))
Fag(fag)noun 1. An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person mostly commonly associated with Harley riders. 2. A person who owns or frequently rides a Harley.
The episode is convincing on the new addition to the English language, this should be added simply because it is a current relevent event that has happened though it should be annotated that this is Southparks version of the definition from the Episode entitled "Fags".
It symbolizes the progressive change of the words use. As previously discussed, the word carriers a non sexual negative connotation that can be used very broadly.
Absolutely agree with the premise that calling someone a fag nowadays, and for probably most of the last decade, has little or nothing to do with sexuality and is well captured by the Southpark definition. It should be put back in the main article. Neil, by disagreeing in the snooty "how dare you dissent" tone of your replies, you sir are being a fag... ----
A fag only referred to being a homosexual for a very brief period of time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.100.9 ( talk) 00:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
You missed the point of the episode. The whole point is that fag no longer necessarily synonymous with queers. The fact that they wear leather has nothing to do with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sven1483 ( talk • contribs) 02:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
YOU missed the point of the episode. Its ironic. As a South Park fanatic I can tell you three golden rules. 1) Something is true but not well known to be true. 2) South Park touches on it and leads the viewer in the other way. 3) People realise that it was true after all. In this actual fag case its like this....
A large percentage of HD riders are closet queers. Therefore they are called fags. However these HD riders dont want to be called queer (we are not supposed to know they are). So if the general public now really did believe that FAG does not mean queer then we can call HD riders fags without the queer accusation. The irony is that they ARE still queer and they ARE still being called queer. The program drew attention to the fact that there are still HD riders who have not even understood how annoying they are, that the public can now call them fags (knowing this to mean queer) but that HD riders will (the irony) not realise that they are being called queer and thus remain closet queers only to themselves in the same little dreamworld were it is "cool" to own and ride an HD.
See the section below for the definition and point of the episode. Nothing to do with homosexuals. YOU missed the point twice----
Fag - an inconsiderate or obnoxious person, usually driving a Harley. (a South Park parody definition that attempts to redefine the word to make it unrelated to homosexual slang) The whole point is that the meaning of words can and do change regardless of anyone's personal beliefs. This word has evolved beyond the scope of homosexuality and common sense (absent of a poll of the human race) dicates that this definition or a close proximity is already in use. ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeGrad00 ( talk • contribs) 00:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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i request that you add our recent meaning for Fags- a group of inconsiderate natzis
Secondary sources are everyone who is writing in this discussion and specifying that they use "Fag" as a general pejorative, not associated with homosexuality. Stop being a fag and accept it.----
This:
* Fag, from the South Park episode The F Word - "A person who owns or frequently rides a Harley"
was removed. I support putting it back.-- Dana60Cummins ( talk) 17:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Having read previous edits, i have seen this is a popular item. I did notice however, two major faculties in why it was not going to be changed. #1 being reliable sources; #2 being that it refers specifically to harleys and/or harley riders. I'm unsure as how to go about finding secondary sources for a word that is used off-hand in random situations. I do however believe it should be changed, i think the south park reference is a very adequate one because this usage IS frequently heard. I'm sure most people have heard it before. I have not heard it in the "queer/homosexual slander" context for quite some time; all of my children use it as a term for something "loud or annoying, general dislike" and quite often will use it in referance to the harley's or loud cars going past my residence. I do feel it needs to be updated for it's current useage, as a words meaning can change over the course of time and i believe it has happened in this case, and if you do want to provide relevant information to people this should be shown.
alot of people do use it in the same way they would call someone an "idiot", "douche", or "prick"; and not refer it to homosexuality at all. this being the case if someone like that was to yell it at someone in that way, and they refer to your website re the meaning, they would be greatly misinformed. Rietas308 ( talk) 11:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected}} This line is bad because of the bit at the end, bolded (?) here:
It's unsourced, and it's article content, which is tots inapprops for a disambig p. Just delete it.
24.177.123.74 ( talk) 08:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Done
Current text for this page reads:
Fag, a British colloquialism for cigarette
FAGS (candy), former brand of candy cigarette 'fags' in Australia
It should be:
Fag, a British and Australian colloquialism for a cigarette
FAGS (candy), former brand name of Australian candy cigarette (currently known as 'FADS Fun Sticks').
It's still selling in 2013 as "FADS Fun Sticks" with MARVEL Heroes advertising.
Can someone please edit this? And check the link for FAGS (candy) is FAGS_(candy) ?
Cheers!
CertifiableNut (
talk)
07:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I've edited the page to include your definitions. Wyliecoyote1990 ( talk) 18:25, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
I can assure you nobody in Australia calls them fags anymore. It's a British thing, not an Australian thing. 2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B ( talk) 19:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Slang slur... Instead of a homosexual: A coward? A hypocrite?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.85.157.130 ( talk) 11:10, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Can we remove the section used in British and Australian English? While I can't speak for Britain, can assure you nobody calls them fags here in Australia.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B ( talk) 19:51, 29 October 2016
It is erroneous to say that 'fag' is only British slang. It is also American slang for cigarette, although some view this usage as being somewhat obsolete.
larry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.74.250.113 ( talk) 00:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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Does anyone think the disambiguation page for FAG should redirect to the Film Actor's Guild? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.48.241 ( talk) 11:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
The word fag is continually being used in modern day society as a negative term. It is no longer associated with gay or titties homosexual faggot tendencies. Nowadays "You are just a fag!" has absolutely nothing to do with the sexual tendencies of the person being accused.
I suggest this is expanded upon in the article. My son has just accused me of being a fag for writing this. I do not believe I am homosexual.
I think that the meaning of the word fag is changing. It no longer seems to mean homosexual, although it once did. I think the new meaning is closer to "loud, obnoxious, arrogant". Re the South park episode "The F Word" airdate 11/04/09, where the main characters use the word to mean "obnoxious harley rider". Certainly, the 20-30 year olds in my social group use it interchangably with "douch-bag" and "asshole", as a prejorative term.
What's the feeling? Should fag and faggot have different pages or should one redirect to the other? Also, anyone want to help out with this entry? -- Dante Alighieri
Not just American teens - and fag can be used against non homosexuual people - i was apparently a "fag" for being disabled
Haven't people ever heard a cigarette called a homo queer fag? Perhaps that should be in here somewhere?
Yes, I believe Europeans sometimes call cigarettes "fags".
No in Europe generally. It's a British and Irish term. Mintguy 12:47 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)
And I think "faggot" is some sort of a plant?
Originally the word meant bundle of sticks. The perjurative term originated from people who collected faggots for a living - primarily the old and the poor.
Regarding the usage in British schools... a fag is one who fags? Verb and noun? -- Dante Alighieri 01:06 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)
Right now, the article implies that "fag" and "faggot" are not used in British English as pejorative terms for male homosexual. Is that correct? AxelBoldt 21:11 Mar 16, 2003 (UTC)
"Faggot" certainly has this meaning in England (with meatballs and bundles of firewood as still current, but slightly old-fashioned senses). "Fag" is understood as "cigarette" when spoken by a Brit, but is recognized in the US sense when spoken by an American. -- Heron
I'm reverting to the version before Deb removed the faggot sections as I believe that they belong in the article. The only edit since then is an edit that is made obsolete by the revert. -- Dante Alighieri 02:07, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
It's good to see that this entertainingly overloaded word is still provoking discussion.
I don't believe this about fag-end. I think the use of "fag-end" to mean useless thing comes from the understanding of fag as a cigarette. What could be more useless than the last bit of cigarette? for a smoker it's the most depressing thing to have to go through your ashtray trying to find fag ends that could possibly be reused.
Any other possible genesis for fag?
Maybe the Yiddish Feygele? It means the same and sounds similar.
---
>In the United Kingdom a faggot (never abbreviated to 'fag') is a dish made of chopped meat and herbs, rolled into a ball and fried.
Please note the new definition as referenced by the creators of South Park in episode 1312 Fag:1) An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person most commonly associated with Harley riders. 2) A person who frequently rides or owns a Harley A fag is Gia Bear
Hmm, I think there was nothing wrong with 'Origins' I wrote (with IP 80.99.141.102).. Why did you remove it? I learn British Civilisation, and we learnt it from a British guy (and it's in our book as well). It's a fact. I didn't use any bad words or things like that in it.
First off, let's cover what a disambiguation page is for. It exists, not to define terms, but to allow a reader to quickly select between a list of sources of more information. Thus, the goal is to give as little information as possible while resolving ambiguity.
Why very little information? Well, in my opinion, this is because information on a disambiguation page isn't going to see the same level of scrutiny and debate that focused, well defined topic articles will.
Ok, now on to the official guidelines as stated at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages):
These three rules of disambiguation are violated several times in the body of this article. My edit was really not perfect at all, as I preserved two violations on the line I edited (while removing several) and left all of the other lines alone. I'll correct that, and turn this into a real disambiguation page.
Reverting my change seems counter-productive in the extreme, as you are supporting the poorly maintained content of this page. If you want some particular concept to be covered in the definition / history / explanation of a particular meaning of the word fag, then you should probably edit the appropriate page for that particular meaning. - Harmil 04:01, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
As I understand it, the origin of the term "fag" as referring to homosexual is related to cigar smoking. A cigar, it seems, is something smoked by men. A fag, referring to a small cigar (which takes it's connotation fron the "fag" meaning small kindling ... i.e. small things that smoke). "Real men" smoke cigar, women (and effem. men) smoke the smaller "twig" fags (i.e. cigarettes).
( 75.40.178.87 02:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC))
Fag(fag)noun 1. An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person mostly commonly associated with Harley riders. 2. A person who owns or frequently rides a Harley.
The episode is convincing on the new addition to the English language, this should be added simply because it is a current relevent event that has happened though it should be annotated that this is Southparks version of the definition from the Episode entitled "Fags".
It symbolizes the progressive change of the words use. As previously discussed, the word carriers a non sexual negative connotation that can be used very broadly.
Absolutely agree with the premise that calling someone a fag nowadays, and for probably most of the last decade, has little or nothing to do with sexuality and is well captured by the Southpark definition. It should be put back in the main article. Neil, by disagreeing in the snooty "how dare you dissent" tone of your replies, you sir are being a fag... ----
A fag only referred to being a homosexual for a very brief period of time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.100.9 ( talk) 00:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
You missed the point of the episode. The whole point is that fag no longer necessarily synonymous with queers. The fact that they wear leather has nothing to do with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sven1483 ( talk • contribs) 02:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
YOU missed the point of the episode. Its ironic. As a South Park fanatic I can tell you three golden rules. 1) Something is true but not well known to be true. 2) South Park touches on it and leads the viewer in the other way. 3) People realise that it was true after all. In this actual fag case its like this....
A large percentage of HD riders are closet queers. Therefore they are called fags. However these HD riders dont want to be called queer (we are not supposed to know they are). So if the general public now really did believe that FAG does not mean queer then we can call HD riders fags without the queer accusation. The irony is that they ARE still queer and they ARE still being called queer. The program drew attention to the fact that there are still HD riders who have not even understood how annoying they are, that the public can now call them fags (knowing this to mean queer) but that HD riders will (the irony) not realise that they are being called queer and thus remain closet queers only to themselves in the same little dreamworld were it is "cool" to own and ride an HD.
See the section below for the definition and point of the episode. Nothing to do with homosexuals. YOU missed the point twice----
Fag - an inconsiderate or obnoxious person, usually driving a Harley. (a South Park parody definition that attempts to redefine the word to make it unrelated to homosexual slang) The whole point is that the meaning of words can and do change regardless of anyone's personal beliefs. This word has evolved beyond the scope of homosexuality and common sense (absent of a poll of the human race) dicates that this definition or a close proximity is already in use. ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeGrad00 ( talk • contribs) 00:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
{{
editsemiprotected}}
i request that you add our recent meaning for Fags- a group of inconsiderate natzis
Secondary sources are everyone who is writing in this discussion and specifying that they use "Fag" as a general pejorative, not associated with homosexuality. Stop being a fag and accept it.----
This:
* Fag, from the South Park episode The F Word - "A person who owns or frequently rides a Harley"
was removed. I support putting it back.-- Dana60Cummins ( talk) 17:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Having read previous edits, i have seen this is a popular item. I did notice however, two major faculties in why it was not going to be changed. #1 being reliable sources; #2 being that it refers specifically to harleys and/or harley riders. I'm unsure as how to go about finding secondary sources for a word that is used off-hand in random situations. I do however believe it should be changed, i think the south park reference is a very adequate one because this usage IS frequently heard. I'm sure most people have heard it before. I have not heard it in the "queer/homosexual slander" context for quite some time; all of my children use it as a term for something "loud or annoying, general dislike" and quite often will use it in referance to the harley's or loud cars going past my residence. I do feel it needs to be updated for it's current useage, as a words meaning can change over the course of time and i believe it has happened in this case, and if you do want to provide relevant information to people this should be shown.
alot of people do use it in the same way they would call someone an "idiot", "douche", or "prick"; and not refer it to homosexuality at all. this being the case if someone like that was to yell it at someone in that way, and they refer to your website re the meaning, they would be greatly misinformed. Rietas308 ( talk) 11:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected}} This line is bad because of the bit at the end, bolded (?) here:
It's unsourced, and it's article content, which is tots inapprops for a disambig p. Just delete it.
24.177.123.74 ( talk) 08:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Done
Current text for this page reads:
Fag, a British colloquialism for cigarette
FAGS (candy), former brand of candy cigarette 'fags' in Australia
It should be:
Fag, a British and Australian colloquialism for a cigarette
FAGS (candy), former brand name of Australian candy cigarette (currently known as 'FADS Fun Sticks').
It's still selling in 2013 as "FADS Fun Sticks" with MARVEL Heroes advertising.
Can someone please edit this? And check the link for FAGS (candy) is FAGS_(candy) ?
Cheers!
CertifiableNut (
talk)
07:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I've edited the page to include your definitions. Wyliecoyote1990 ( talk) 18:25, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
I can assure you nobody in Australia calls them fags anymore. It's a British thing, not an Australian thing. 2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B ( talk) 19:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Slang slur... Instead of a homosexual: A coward? A hypocrite?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.85.157.130 ( talk) 11:10, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Can we remove the section used in British and Australian English? While I can't speak for Britain, can assure you nobody calls them fags here in Australia.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B ( talk) 19:51, 29 October 2016
It is erroneous to say that 'fag' is only British slang. It is also American slang for cigarette, although some view this usage as being somewhat obsolete.
larry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.74.250.113 ( talk) 00:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
This
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FAG- An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person most commonly associated with Harley riders, 2. A person who owns or frequently rides a Harley, or Pickle Smoocher “stocktwitsblows” 2601:243:C881:B590:205D:510D:A0DF:622C ( talk) 08:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)