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"Gina Gershon as Sasha Hassler, Castor's former lover and the father of their son." Father?..
"The first challenge one confronts with Face/Off is the curious, I might even say misplaced, 'forward slash' in its title. Are 'Face' and 'Off' separate talents that the title has on its résumé? Is there a choice between 'face' and 'off' that we, or one of the movie's characters, are asked to make? Perhaps 'Off' is a computer file extension of the program 'Face.' The slash is even more confounding given the dizzying array of character and punctuation marks one has to choose from. Was Face%Off considered and rejected and, if so, why? How did the slash win out over the altogether more approachable * character, or even the ^? I find it most likely that the slash was a later accretion by an ambitious promotions person trying to make a name for herself. 'I'm the one who put the slash in Face/Off!' one can almost hear her bragging, completely oblivous to the soupy haze of confusion she created."
Actually it is very simple, Woo put the slash in the title after others said that the movie may get confused for a hockey movie. " Dylan Porter"
The line "possibly the best chase scene ever filmed" strikes me as this authors opinion. If it's not simply a case of someone praising something he or she likes, can we see a source here, please? -- Ryl 09:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Throughout, Archer is referred to as Archer. Troy starts off being referred to as such, but then the article switches between Castor and Troy, in a slightly confusing way. Wouldn't it be better to refer to the character as Troy all the way through, like Archer? 212.108.17.165 14:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Castor Troy should probably be referred to as Castor through the entire article, as there are two "Troys" in the film. Referring to him only as Troy could cause confusion. Schoop 14:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Whoever wrote the original article removed a brief critical comment I added about a week ago. At first, I was astounded to find my comment deleted summarily; however, when I reread the original article, I realized that it is not really a disinterested, informative, professional article, but rather a puff piece masquerading as an article, possibly by someone connected with "Face/Off" and its continued financial success who saw my comment as a threat to that success. I note that a special DVD version of "Face/Off" is scheduled for release this year. While I understand that there's always a bit of an author's self-interest lurking in all articles, the article for this movie (I can't bring myself to call it a film) is steeped in unwarranted praise. Indeed, "Face/Off" has so much wrong with it from an artistic standpoint that my criticism was modest compared to what an intelligent, educated, experienced moviegoer could write. Cavan 16:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
As far as I can see, the comment was removed by 207.144.184.143, and I would feel he was probably right to do so. I'd check WP:NPOV. It's an opinion that the plot is silly, not a fact, and your paragraph was worded in such a way that it was clearly not neutral, but designed to criticise the film. Praising or criticising films is not what Wikipedia is for. If this is a commonly held opinion, you could word it along the lines of 'Despite its success, the film's plot has been criticised.' This would then require sourcing, preferrably with a link to a major review which mentions this. If you feel the article is unduly biased towards the film, it would be better to reword sections you feel are overly POV towards putting the film in a positive light into something more neutral. From a brief read, apart from the first couple of paragraphs, this article isn't too bad, though the first couple of lines could use work. Girdag 16:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
In the DVD releases, for some bizarre reason the bits with the switch blade are edited out. It is perplexing why you can show someone without a face, a serrated knife being jabbed into someones thigh, a child being shot, many men being shot and falling to their death, drug taking and an undercover FBI agent sucking on a drug dealers tongue, but, you can't show a switch knife!? Maybe this should be added here by someone else as I wont be able to do it from a non bias view. Maybe it isn't important... (thats what the FCC want you to think so they can continue their arbitrary and unwarranted censorship, I mean for christ sakes, its a DVD, if I buy it I want to watch it, what the hell are they doing disrupting the flow of the movie by arbitrarily taking parts out!?)
If u mean him giving the girl a switch blade, that is on the region 2 dvd I have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Addistheman ( talk • contribs) 20:28, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Someone edit it into paragraphs. It's a solid block of text.-- Viridis talk| contributions 18:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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I'm really in two minds about passing this one. Some small issues at first: the lead makes no mention about the plot, and I don't like cast names in the plot. The big issue here is the production section is tiny: I'll give you the benefit of a week to fatten it up. Alientraveller 09:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm failing this due to production section. IMDb trivia is an unreliable, user-submitted source. Try to find actual news articles from IMDb or Entertainment Weekly. Alientraveller 07:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
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Can we get a cleanup on this? Do we really even need this section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.50.187 ( talk) 21:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
i agree. delete it all, i guess. 81.96.160.6 ( talk) 03:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
BetacommandBot 22:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
a cast section is needed for this article, less it face deletion! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.24.88 ( talk) 18:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
That needs to be changed. Jamie recieves a butterfly knife (or a balisong) from Castor. When I attempted to edit that, it was imediately changed back to the incorect switchblade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.130.16.104 ( talk) 16:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing that. I had noticed it a while ago but I always feel uncomfortable about editing wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.130.16.104 ( talk) 16:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
"Archer is then taken to the hospital and his face is restored, with the exception of his chest scar — which served as a reminder of the loss of his son — as he doesn't "need it anymore", due to Castor's death."
My problem with this is although Archer knew Castor was in a coma, I would think that the REAL reason he didn't need the scar is that he gave Castor a loss almost or equal to his own when he dropped Pollux. 65.43.96.3 ( talk) 17:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
"Though the time-period is never specified in the film and largely implied to be the present (...)"
Not true; Archer's son's grave is seen on-screen with the death taking place in 1991. Since the film takes place "six years later", the film must take place in 1997, futuristic tech and all. Habfan29 ( talk) 03:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
has this page been vandalised? Its full of incomplete sentences and random names of characters and actors, which make following the complex plot virtually impossible. Unfortunately its some years since I saw this movie and I'm not familiar enough with the plot to fix the article. Can someone fix it? The Yowser ( talk) 09:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
This film is spy-fi,not science fiction.That's why let's call this film spy-fi. Bendybit 09:04, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Spy-Fi (subgenre) is a subgenre of science fiction, so it makes no real difference here. Also this film was a hit in the 24th Saturn Awards which only iclude "science fiction, fantasy and horror film". To summarize:
The awards are presented by the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films, which dedicated itself "to the advancement of science fiction, fantasy, and horror in film, television, and home video". It typically does not bother with most other genres. I think they are a pretty good source. Dimadick ( talk) 20:46, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Face/Off have minor sci-fi elements,but this film is not science fiction film.This film was not nominated for a Saturn Award for "Best Science Fiction Film". Bendybit ( talk) 13:47, 2 July 2016 (UTC
Again with "minor sci-fi elements". The entire plot of the film depends on highly experimental face transplant (which was considered medically impossible until 2005), body swap, and identity loss. These are far more common in science fiction that action films. As someone who has seen this film, I find your assessment rather puzzling.
Also your definition of genre disagrees with out sources and external links.
So we are far from the only websites which considers this to be science fiction. Dimadick ( talk) 15:12, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
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"Gina Gershon as Sasha Hassler, Castor's former lover and the father of their son." Father?..
"The first challenge one confronts with Face/Off is the curious, I might even say misplaced, 'forward slash' in its title. Are 'Face' and 'Off' separate talents that the title has on its résumé? Is there a choice between 'face' and 'off' that we, or one of the movie's characters, are asked to make? Perhaps 'Off' is a computer file extension of the program 'Face.' The slash is even more confounding given the dizzying array of character and punctuation marks one has to choose from. Was Face%Off considered and rejected and, if so, why? How did the slash win out over the altogether more approachable * character, or even the ^? I find it most likely that the slash was a later accretion by an ambitious promotions person trying to make a name for herself. 'I'm the one who put the slash in Face/Off!' one can almost hear her bragging, completely oblivous to the soupy haze of confusion she created."
Actually it is very simple, Woo put the slash in the title after others said that the movie may get confused for a hockey movie. " Dylan Porter"
The line "possibly the best chase scene ever filmed" strikes me as this authors opinion. If it's not simply a case of someone praising something he or she likes, can we see a source here, please? -- Ryl 09:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Throughout, Archer is referred to as Archer. Troy starts off being referred to as such, but then the article switches between Castor and Troy, in a slightly confusing way. Wouldn't it be better to refer to the character as Troy all the way through, like Archer? 212.108.17.165 14:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Castor Troy should probably be referred to as Castor through the entire article, as there are two "Troys" in the film. Referring to him only as Troy could cause confusion. Schoop 14:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Whoever wrote the original article removed a brief critical comment I added about a week ago. At first, I was astounded to find my comment deleted summarily; however, when I reread the original article, I realized that it is not really a disinterested, informative, professional article, but rather a puff piece masquerading as an article, possibly by someone connected with "Face/Off" and its continued financial success who saw my comment as a threat to that success. I note that a special DVD version of "Face/Off" is scheduled for release this year. While I understand that there's always a bit of an author's self-interest lurking in all articles, the article for this movie (I can't bring myself to call it a film) is steeped in unwarranted praise. Indeed, "Face/Off" has so much wrong with it from an artistic standpoint that my criticism was modest compared to what an intelligent, educated, experienced moviegoer could write. Cavan 16:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
As far as I can see, the comment was removed by 207.144.184.143, and I would feel he was probably right to do so. I'd check WP:NPOV. It's an opinion that the plot is silly, not a fact, and your paragraph was worded in such a way that it was clearly not neutral, but designed to criticise the film. Praising or criticising films is not what Wikipedia is for. If this is a commonly held opinion, you could word it along the lines of 'Despite its success, the film's plot has been criticised.' This would then require sourcing, preferrably with a link to a major review which mentions this. If you feel the article is unduly biased towards the film, it would be better to reword sections you feel are overly POV towards putting the film in a positive light into something more neutral. From a brief read, apart from the first couple of paragraphs, this article isn't too bad, though the first couple of lines could use work. Girdag 16:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
In the DVD releases, for some bizarre reason the bits with the switch blade are edited out. It is perplexing why you can show someone without a face, a serrated knife being jabbed into someones thigh, a child being shot, many men being shot and falling to their death, drug taking and an undercover FBI agent sucking on a drug dealers tongue, but, you can't show a switch knife!? Maybe this should be added here by someone else as I wont be able to do it from a non bias view. Maybe it isn't important... (thats what the FCC want you to think so they can continue their arbitrary and unwarranted censorship, I mean for christ sakes, its a DVD, if I buy it I want to watch it, what the hell are they doing disrupting the flow of the movie by arbitrarily taking parts out!?)
If u mean him giving the girl a switch blade, that is on the region 2 dvd I have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Addistheman ( talk • contribs) 20:28, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Someone edit it into paragraphs. It's a solid block of text.-- Viridis talk| contributions 18:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Image:Face-Off (Movie Poster).jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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I'm really in two minds about passing this one. Some small issues at first: the lead makes no mention about the plot, and I don't like cast names in the plot. The big issue here is the production section is tiny: I'll give you the benefit of a week to fatten it up. Alientraveller 09:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm failing this due to production section. IMDb trivia is an unreliable, user-submitted source. Try to find actual news articles from IMDb or Entertainment Weekly. Alientraveller 07:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Image:Off Soundtrack Cover.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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Can we get a cleanup on this? Do we really even need this section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.50.187 ( talk) 21:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
i agree. delete it all, i guess. 81.96.160.6 ( talk) 03:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
BetacommandBot 22:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
a cast section is needed for this article, less it face deletion! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.24.88 ( talk) 18:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
That needs to be changed. Jamie recieves a butterfly knife (or a balisong) from Castor. When I attempted to edit that, it was imediately changed back to the incorect switchblade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.130.16.104 ( talk) 16:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing that. I had noticed it a while ago but I always feel uncomfortable about editing wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.130.16.104 ( talk) 16:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
"Archer is then taken to the hospital and his face is restored, with the exception of his chest scar — which served as a reminder of the loss of his son — as he doesn't "need it anymore", due to Castor's death."
My problem with this is although Archer knew Castor was in a coma, I would think that the REAL reason he didn't need the scar is that he gave Castor a loss almost or equal to his own when he dropped Pollux. 65.43.96.3 ( talk) 17:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
"Though the time-period is never specified in the film and largely implied to be the present (...)"
Not true; Archer's son's grave is seen on-screen with the death taking place in 1991. Since the film takes place "six years later", the film must take place in 1997, futuristic tech and all. Habfan29 ( talk) 03:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
has this page been vandalised? Its full of incomplete sentences and random names of characters and actors, which make following the complex plot virtually impossible. Unfortunately its some years since I saw this movie and I'm not familiar enough with the plot to fix the article. Can someone fix it? The Yowser ( talk) 09:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
This film is spy-fi,not science fiction.That's why let's call this film spy-fi. Bendybit 09:04, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Spy-Fi (subgenre) is a subgenre of science fiction, so it makes no real difference here. Also this film was a hit in the 24th Saturn Awards which only iclude "science fiction, fantasy and horror film". To summarize:
The awards are presented by the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films, which dedicated itself "to the advancement of science fiction, fantasy, and horror in film, television, and home video". It typically does not bother with most other genres. I think they are a pretty good source. Dimadick ( talk) 20:46, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Face/Off have minor sci-fi elements,but this film is not science fiction film.This film was not nominated for a Saturn Award for "Best Science Fiction Film". Bendybit ( talk) 13:47, 2 July 2016 (UTC
Again with "minor sci-fi elements". The entire plot of the film depends on highly experimental face transplant (which was considered medically impossible until 2005), body swap, and identity loss. These are far more common in science fiction that action films. As someone who has seen this film, I find your assessment rather puzzling.
Also your definition of genre disagrees with out sources and external links.
So we are far from the only websites which considers this to be science fiction. Dimadick ( talk) 15:12, 2 July 2016 (UTC)