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Can you add Kattan dynasty also in the lead here as (explicitly mentioning thiyyar dynasties here as they were both are thiyyar dynasty from Malabar):

Thiyyar dynasties such as the Mannanar and Kattan dynasty existed in Kerala. ^{[1] [2] [2] [2] [2] [3]} 207.96.13.12 ( talk) 13:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Neither Mannanar or Kattan should be in the WP:LEAD as the article is currently written, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the body. I have no informed opinion on if they belong in the article or not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 19:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

they both belong to the thiyya caste which comes under ezhava article. so in order to show their socio polical background it is important to keep in the lead, considering this caste is one of the backward low caste and faced caste discrimination in the past from upper caste. It highlight their history of having dynasties in the past and later becoming a lower caste due to suppression . 207.96.13.12 ( talk) 19:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Yes should be added 161.30.201.16 ( talk) 07:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{ Edit extended-protected}} template. Geardona ( talk to me?) 01:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi,

From the past discussions it is clear that the admins consider both ezhava and thiyya to be synonymous and the page tiyya was redirected to the main page ezhava, as it covers both information. in multiple articles also ezhava and thiyyas are synonymously used.

however seems like, few days back a separate page is created Tiyyar is recently created (removed redirection ) by vilating this . the page contradicts most of the contents of this page . i think this page need to be split up , instead of this contradiction as the recently formed page violates all the content and is trying to create a low quality duplicate copy of the same from recent news articles claimig both are distinct and there is no info about the main page ezhava in the page tiyyar. this need to be discussed or else this page need to be split up as it is confusing the readers and is contradicting itself. The new page even claim them to be a distinct ethnicity ? So how this is possible from both pages ? Kindly look into this . Lisa121996 ( talk) 04:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

@ SSSB Can you please check into this ? Lisa121996 ( talk) 04:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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There are 2 requested edits for this page:

Firstly, Many attempts to make sepearate page for Thiyya are there, including new one at Tiyyar. It maybe becoz of representation issue. So maybe we can add the following information in lead paragraph-

Ezhavas are also known as Thiyya or Tiyyar in the Malabar region. ^{[1] [2]}

Secondly, in the same lead paragraph it says that "The Malabar Ezhava group have claimed a higher ranking in the Hindu caste system than do the others..." but the source says that both Pullapilly and Kodoth explains that this comparison is only within the Ezhava groups, not with the other groups of Kerala. This also create the confusion. So i suggest this change-

From X: The Malabar Ezhava group have claimed a higher ranking in the Hindu caste system than do the others, although from the perspective of the colonial and subsequent administrations they were treated as being of similar rank.

To Y: The Malabar Ezhava group have claimed a higher ranking in the Hindu caste system than do the other Ezhava groups, although from the perspective of the colonial and subsequent administrations they were all treated as being of similar rank. Piyush Chekavar ( talk) 06:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Seems reasonable,  Done. I modified the wording of the last sentence of the opening as it was grammatically incorrect, but your change has been included. Garsh ( talk) 19:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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1.As it is called as 'Thiyya' in Malabar District part of kerala and there are arguments of differences in ethnicity and culture which is included in the lead itself, also from the source in the lead para it should have to be : "The Malabar Thiyyar group has claimed a higher rank in the Hindu caste system than the other Ezhava groups but was considered to be of a similar rank by colonial and subsequent administrations."

2.Also Mannanar dynasty and Kattan dynasty were thiyya dynasty from malabar. so it should have to be : Thiyyar dynasties such as the Mannanar and Kattan dynasty existed in Kerala

3. It should be specified where the community is the largest. Here : where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest Hindu community , it should be added 'in kerala'

From X: The Ezhavas, also known as Thiyya or Tiyyar in the Malabar region, are a community with origins in the region of India presently known as Kerala, where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest Hindu community. The Malabar Ezhava group has claimed a higher rank in the Hindu caste system than the other Ezhava groups but was considered to be of a similar rank by colonial and subsequent administrations.

Ezhava dynasties such as the Mannanar existed in Kerala.

To Y: The Ezhavas, also known as Thiyya or Tiyyar in the Malabar region, are a community with origins in the region of India presently known as Kerala, where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest Hindu community in Kerala. The Malabar Thiyyar group has claimed a higher rank in the Hindu caste system than the other Ezhava groups but was considered to be of a similar rank by colonial and subsequent administrations.

Thiyyar dynasties such as the Mannanar and Kattan dynasty existed in Kerala. 207.96.13.213 ( talk) 19:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC) reply