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This article must be moved, as the title is currently a typo, and ungrammatical. It is "demoniac", not "demonic". It needs to be moved to "Exorcism of the Gerasene demoniac". JohnChrysostom ( talk) 05:04, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
"Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of demons, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. Those who had seen it told the people what had happened to the demon-possessed man—and told about the pigs as well. Then the people began to plead with Jesus to leave their region. That is why jesus is evil, and should not be trusted around your bacon."
LAST SENTENCE, might want to change that? (forgive me for incorrect formatting of this comment, just had to point this out) — Preceding
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talk)
07:00, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
During the process of completing the 4th labour (capturing the wild boar of Ares), which is not an easy task "When the goddess turned a wrathful countenance upon a country, as in the story of Meleager, she would send a raging boar, which laid waste the farmers' fields."
Heracles is perplexed as to how to capture the wild boar of Ares, so he visits Chiron at his cave. Chiron is a centaur. Centaurs were notorious for being wild and lusty, overly indulgent drinkers and carousers, given to violence when intoxicated, and generally uncultured delinquents. Chiron advises Heracles to drive it into the thick snow.
Having captured the boar, Heracles bound it and carried it back to Eurystheus, who was frightened of it and ducked down in his half-buried storage pithos, begging Hercules to get rid of the beast. Hercules obliges and threw it in the sea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.193.173.21 ( talk) 02:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
"Miracle of the Swine", less often: "Miracle of the Gadarene Swine" is how it's known in English! And these names aren't even automatically Wiki-linked, the Wiki search engine doesn't recognise them - who knows how to fix this? And please change the title to the far more used name. Arminden Arminden ( talk) 08:36, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
If there are alternative titles to the subject matter, they should be listed and perhaps redirects created for them. Dimadick ( talk) 23:24, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. I think this discussion has run its course, and there's no agreement to change. Either form seems to be used and accepted. — Amakuru ( talk) 13:40, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Exorcism of the Gerasene demoniac →
Miracle of the swine – I guess I'll be the one to take this to an RM (see
this discussion). This
Ngram shows that no variants of the "Exorcism of the Gadarene/Gerasene demoniac" are the
WP:COMMONNAME, but "Miracle of the (Gadarene) swine" is. The "Gerasene" variant doesn't show up, and it's a tossup between including or excluding "Gadarene", so
WP:CONCISE would mean that it should be omitted. Of course, the variant names should all be mentioned in the lead and have redirects here.
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Hi. I personally find one-man crusades and endless hair-splitting silly, to be honest. You forget that we are not just talking literature. There are real places connected to this topic: Kursi, Umm Qais, Jarash, Hippos. They exist in Real Life. Archaeologist are still excavating at Kursi and nearby sites on Wadi Samak, pilgrims, tourists, tour guides and guide books are using the names and terms on a daily basis, in spoken and written language. And none of them all uses "exorcism". Go on flying high above the cockoo's nest while life marches on. Arminden Arminden ( talk) 08:27, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Jujutsuan: Hi. It was me who has recently suggested "Miracle of the Swine" - this let loose the current dialogue between Anselm and whoever picks up the gauntlet. I appreciate you supporting my position in principle, but the highly technical/academic level of argumentation in the last exchanges makes me smile. And shake my head. That's all. Maybe because I am mainly aware of the term used "on the ground", where there is no discussion going on, the swine win hands down for practical reasons, but I have no idea about what's going on in theological seminaries etc., other than the odd paper I happen upon. Check articles on Kursi published by the Biblical Archaeology Review (BAR), the most popular but still academic magazine dealing with the topic. Or don't, this went on for far too long already. Cheers, Arminden Arminden ( talk) 18:34, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
These two should be merged. In ictu oculi ( talk) 17:03, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Merging should be avoided if [...] The topics are discrete subjects warranting their own articles, even though they might be shortFourViolas ( talk) 21:57, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
The article does not mention what seems to me the obvious possibility, viz that the reason for both Gadara and Gerasa being in play is because of a copyist's error in early text. But I can't cite a source for this idea so I have not added it to the article.
Incidentally, the reference to Origen cites a spelling "Gergasa" but other references to the same place in the article are to "Gergesa". This does not look correct. Deipnosophista ( talk) 09:34, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
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This article must be moved, as the title is currently a typo, and ungrammatical. It is "demoniac", not "demonic". It needs to be moved to "Exorcism of the Gerasene demoniac". JohnChrysostom ( talk) 05:04, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
"Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of demons, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. Those who had seen it told the people what had happened to the demon-possessed man—and told about the pigs as well. Then the people began to plead with Jesus to leave their region. That is why jesus is evil, and should not be trusted around your bacon."
LAST SENTENCE, might want to change that? (forgive me for incorrect formatting of this comment, just had to point this out) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.140.210.66 (
talk)
07:00, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
During the process of completing the 4th labour (capturing the wild boar of Ares), which is not an easy task "When the goddess turned a wrathful countenance upon a country, as in the story of Meleager, she would send a raging boar, which laid waste the farmers' fields."
Heracles is perplexed as to how to capture the wild boar of Ares, so he visits Chiron at his cave. Chiron is a centaur. Centaurs were notorious for being wild and lusty, overly indulgent drinkers and carousers, given to violence when intoxicated, and generally uncultured delinquents. Chiron advises Heracles to drive it into the thick snow.
Having captured the boar, Heracles bound it and carried it back to Eurystheus, who was frightened of it and ducked down in his half-buried storage pithos, begging Hercules to get rid of the beast. Hercules obliges and threw it in the sea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.193.173.21 ( talk) 02:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
"Miracle of the Swine", less often: "Miracle of the Gadarene Swine" is how it's known in English! And these names aren't even automatically Wiki-linked, the Wiki search engine doesn't recognise them - who knows how to fix this? And please change the title to the far more used name. Arminden Arminden ( talk) 08:36, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
If there are alternative titles to the subject matter, they should be listed and perhaps redirects created for them. Dimadick ( talk) 23:24, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. I think this discussion has run its course, and there's no agreement to change. Either form seems to be used and accepted. — Amakuru ( talk) 13:40, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Exorcism of the Gerasene demoniac →
Miracle of the swine – I guess I'll be the one to take this to an RM (see
this discussion). This
Ngram shows that no variants of the "Exorcism of the Gadarene/Gerasene demoniac" are the
WP:COMMONNAME, but "Miracle of the (Gadarene) swine" is. The "Gerasene" variant doesn't show up, and it's a tossup between including or excluding "Gadarene", so
WP:CONCISE would mean that it should be omitted. Of course, the variant names should all be mentioned in the lead and have redirects here.
Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{
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22:36, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi. I personally find one-man crusades and endless hair-splitting silly, to be honest. You forget that we are not just talking literature. There are real places connected to this topic: Kursi, Umm Qais, Jarash, Hippos. They exist in Real Life. Archaeologist are still excavating at Kursi and nearby sites on Wadi Samak, pilgrims, tourists, tour guides and guide books are using the names and terms on a daily basis, in spoken and written language. And none of them all uses "exorcism". Go on flying high above the cockoo's nest while life marches on. Arminden Arminden ( talk) 08:27, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
@ Jujutsuan: Hi. It was me who has recently suggested "Miracle of the Swine" - this let loose the current dialogue between Anselm and whoever picks up the gauntlet. I appreciate you supporting my position in principle, but the highly technical/academic level of argumentation in the last exchanges makes me smile. And shake my head. That's all. Maybe because I am mainly aware of the term used "on the ground", where there is no discussion going on, the swine win hands down for practical reasons, but I have no idea about what's going on in theological seminaries etc., other than the odd paper I happen upon. Check articles on Kursi published by the Biblical Archaeology Review (BAR), the most popular but still academic magazine dealing with the topic. Or don't, this went on for far too long already. Cheers, Arminden Arminden ( talk) 18:34, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
These two should be merged. In ictu oculi ( talk) 17:03, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Merging should be avoided if [...] The topics are discrete subjects warranting their own articles, even though they might be shortFourViolas ( talk) 21:57, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
The article does not mention what seems to me the obvious possibility, viz that the reason for both Gadara and Gerasa being in play is because of a copyist's error in early text. But I can't cite a source for this idea so I have not added it to the article.
Incidentally, the reference to Origen cites a spelling "Gergasa" but other references to the same place in the article are to "Gergesa". This does not look correct. Deipnosophista ( talk) 09:34, 30 October 2019 (UTC)