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Exogamy can be considered a genetic sharing of class notes. If you write a "wrong" or unhelpful remark from class lecture, you can ask to see the notes from someone who heard the same lecture from another professor. When you take the "exam" (get the opportunity to express your alleles, or "answers"), you get to write both your answer and the answer of the person who lent their notes to you. On the "exam" you get credit if either or both of the answers are correct. (I.e., the cell will try to express both alleles to get a functional protein.) This is how I view the genetic benefit of exogamy.
I've read studies from the National Society of Genetic Counselors as well as others, that say marrying your cousin will produce little more risk of birth defects than marrying someone outside your race. Even a quick google search on the subject shows plenty of sources and articles. I'm not a geneticist nor have I really studied the subject to great degree, but the facts of history refute this sections assertions. While there maybe certain genetic mutations that certain racial groups are more prone to, this doesn't prove that endogamy is the causal factor.
Do prohibitions on incest have anything to do with this article? Endogamy does not equal incest, as this article in its present state seems to suggest Stettlerj 20:06, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
This is too much from a human perspective. Exogamy occurs in almost all mammals, with the exception of the naked mole rat. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.253.240.212 ( talk • contribs) .
I'm especially concerned about the close linking of groups that are described as exclusively practicing endogamy with the mention of incest. Placing groups such as the Yazidi and "Jews" (while s/he also makes no mention of the religious aspect of this sporadic and non-universal practice) into such close contact with this inflammatory subject is going to cause offense and encourage racist feelings.
Most of the people who have theories discussed on this page have no first name associated with them. I think that takes away from the article. BioTube 06:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
"Frazer says [the introduction of exogamy to prevent incestuous marriage] is the true solution, that it really introduced group marriage, which is an advance to monogamy,"
I'm not quite sure how to parse this. It sounds like it could be rephrased as "Frazer agrees that [the goal of preventing incestuous marriage] is the origin of exogamy, which introduced group marriage (which is an evolutionary step towards monogamy)," but is that in any way correct? In particular, I'd like to know what the article is referring to as "group marriage." Is this "promiscuity within the tribe," which IIRC is more a hypothetical than an attested social custom, or is it "polygamy," which is common, but more common among more sophisticated peoples?
And do we really need to cite Frazer at all? He's still the reference point for anthropological study of magic, but -- although I'm not an anthropologist -- I've heard that he's no longer considered very reliable on other subjects... ExOttoyuhr ( talk) 17:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
This article is remarkably cruel towards endogamous peoples -- the medieval Jews, the modern Arabs, the Chinese through the whole of their history, do not deserve the kind of pillorying-by-inference that they currently get in this article -- and it treats American views on incest as a human universal. Which such views are not: see all strata of ancient Egyptian society, or the Polynesian and (IIRC) Inca aristocracies.
It also has an advanced case of Just-So Story-itis, but perhaps that's a different issue. Still, I'd like it to be a little less certain about where the concept of totems comes from, and what their implications are on a cross-civilizational level. Didn't the Iroquois marry within their totem group? ExOttoyuhr ( talk) 17:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
First of all, quite insultingly, it seems to be insinuating that not race mixing (the way that it's been done 99.9% of the time for thousands of years in European, Western societies and has worked mostly fine!) is somehow comparable to incest. True, small villages in which transport is difficult may have been somewhat inbred historically, but whites as a whole as a racial group are not very inbred at all, unlike what they'd like you to believe, and especially now when transport means that people don't live in a small area for their entire lives. All racial groups have their inherited diseases, and racial mixing will not make those go away either as genes can recombine at a later point. Furthermore, it says that there is a "drive to reproduce with individuals genetically different from oneself". There must be something wrong with me, then, as a white heterosexual male who is attracted to white females and not women of other races, be they black, Indian or Chinese. This pseudoscientific trash about the benefits of race mixing is nothing more than mind bending propaganda, the majority of which in the mass media in present day western societies is targeted at white females to encourage them to mix with black males, in order to increase white male resentment and destroy the gene pool.-- Phit Sit Trout ( talk) 11:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, this article is mostly jewish propaganda to destroy the White Aryan race. As a long lasting supporter of the True Finns party, I can say that this kind of communist propaganda is destroying the racial purity that made Europe so great. However I'm glad to see that my views are in the majority here and that people have become increasingly aware of the Zionist plot to drive the West into a multiracial inferno. Hopefully with the world-wide rise of national socialism Wikipedia (and the West) will also be purged from the leftist elements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.13.102 ( talk) 16:31, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
To improve this article I want to address the issues that arise from the Talk page. I will try to edit the neutrality of the human aspect of exogamy as well as add citations where needed. I don't plan on changing much else of the article but simply improve on what is already there. [[ Mkbertram ( talk) 13:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)]]
I really like your initial definition. I think the explanation is brief enough to provide info to someone who wants a quick response, and the article continues in depth to provide more info to those curious about the topic. I also really like how you provided examples of exogamy and the antonym for it as well, excellent idea. Your list of references is phenomenal, and very thorough. My only suggestion wwould be to add the different types of exogamy to the see also list, so that they may be linked to already existing wiki pages/ future existing wiki pages. ( BMPog ( talk) 19:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC))
The information in the page is well structured, and has the citations to back it up. Particularly liked the opening information, as it contains a clear definition of what it is, and what it is not. I realize you weren't adding information, but the cultural exogamy paragraph could use some work. The information in the article makes it seem as though exogamy is only practiced in foreign, non-north american cultures. What does it look like here? It looks like you've done the most editing from anyone elses pages I've looked at. :) Lrcobbe ( talk) 14:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
This page can be improved quite a bit. There are/were spelling mistakes, very non-encyclopedia wording, claims that are are missing sources, and claims that are unsubstantiated by the listed sources. I suggest that we make it a priority to add high quality (preferably peer-reviewed) sources to this page, and amend information to better match the consensus of those high-quality sources.--
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Exogamy can be considered a genetic sharing of class notes. If you write a "wrong" or unhelpful remark from class lecture, you can ask to see the notes from someone who heard the same lecture from another professor. When you take the "exam" (get the opportunity to express your alleles, or "answers"), you get to write both your answer and the answer of the person who lent their notes to you. On the "exam" you get credit if either or both of the answers are correct. (I.e., the cell will try to express both alleles to get a functional protein.) This is how I view the genetic benefit of exogamy.
I've read studies from the National Society of Genetic Counselors as well as others, that say marrying your cousin will produce little more risk of birth defects than marrying someone outside your race. Even a quick google search on the subject shows plenty of sources and articles. I'm not a geneticist nor have I really studied the subject to great degree, but the facts of history refute this sections assertions. While there maybe certain genetic mutations that certain racial groups are more prone to, this doesn't prove that endogamy is the causal factor.
Do prohibitions on incest have anything to do with this article? Endogamy does not equal incest, as this article in its present state seems to suggest Stettlerj 20:06, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
This is too much from a human perspective. Exogamy occurs in almost all mammals, with the exception of the naked mole rat. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.253.240.212 ( talk • contribs) .
I'm especially concerned about the close linking of groups that are described as exclusively practicing endogamy with the mention of incest. Placing groups such as the Yazidi and "Jews" (while s/he also makes no mention of the religious aspect of this sporadic and non-universal practice) into such close contact with this inflammatory subject is going to cause offense and encourage racist feelings.
Most of the people who have theories discussed on this page have no first name associated with them. I think that takes away from the article. BioTube 06:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
"Frazer says [the introduction of exogamy to prevent incestuous marriage] is the true solution, that it really introduced group marriage, which is an advance to monogamy,"
I'm not quite sure how to parse this. It sounds like it could be rephrased as "Frazer agrees that [the goal of preventing incestuous marriage] is the origin of exogamy, which introduced group marriage (which is an evolutionary step towards monogamy)," but is that in any way correct? In particular, I'd like to know what the article is referring to as "group marriage." Is this "promiscuity within the tribe," which IIRC is more a hypothetical than an attested social custom, or is it "polygamy," which is common, but more common among more sophisticated peoples?
And do we really need to cite Frazer at all? He's still the reference point for anthropological study of magic, but -- although I'm not an anthropologist -- I've heard that he's no longer considered very reliable on other subjects... ExOttoyuhr ( talk) 17:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
This article is remarkably cruel towards endogamous peoples -- the medieval Jews, the modern Arabs, the Chinese through the whole of their history, do not deserve the kind of pillorying-by-inference that they currently get in this article -- and it treats American views on incest as a human universal. Which such views are not: see all strata of ancient Egyptian society, or the Polynesian and (IIRC) Inca aristocracies.
It also has an advanced case of Just-So Story-itis, but perhaps that's a different issue. Still, I'd like it to be a little less certain about where the concept of totems comes from, and what their implications are on a cross-civilizational level. Didn't the Iroquois marry within their totem group? ExOttoyuhr ( talk) 17:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
First of all, quite insultingly, it seems to be insinuating that not race mixing (the way that it's been done 99.9% of the time for thousands of years in European, Western societies and has worked mostly fine!) is somehow comparable to incest. True, small villages in which transport is difficult may have been somewhat inbred historically, but whites as a whole as a racial group are not very inbred at all, unlike what they'd like you to believe, and especially now when transport means that people don't live in a small area for their entire lives. All racial groups have their inherited diseases, and racial mixing will not make those go away either as genes can recombine at a later point. Furthermore, it says that there is a "drive to reproduce with individuals genetically different from oneself". There must be something wrong with me, then, as a white heterosexual male who is attracted to white females and not women of other races, be they black, Indian or Chinese. This pseudoscientific trash about the benefits of race mixing is nothing more than mind bending propaganda, the majority of which in the mass media in present day western societies is targeted at white females to encourage them to mix with black males, in order to increase white male resentment and destroy the gene pool.-- Phit Sit Trout ( talk) 11:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, this article is mostly jewish propaganda to destroy the White Aryan race. As a long lasting supporter of the True Finns party, I can say that this kind of communist propaganda is destroying the racial purity that made Europe so great. However I'm glad to see that my views are in the majority here and that people have become increasingly aware of the Zionist plot to drive the West into a multiracial inferno. Hopefully with the world-wide rise of national socialism Wikipedia (and the West) will also be purged from the leftist elements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.13.102 ( talk) 16:31, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
To improve this article I want to address the issues that arise from the Talk page. I will try to edit the neutrality of the human aspect of exogamy as well as add citations where needed. I don't plan on changing much else of the article but simply improve on what is already there. [[ Mkbertram ( talk) 13:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)]]
I really like your initial definition. I think the explanation is brief enough to provide info to someone who wants a quick response, and the article continues in depth to provide more info to those curious about the topic. I also really like how you provided examples of exogamy and the antonym for it as well, excellent idea. Your list of references is phenomenal, and very thorough. My only suggestion wwould be to add the different types of exogamy to the see also list, so that they may be linked to already existing wiki pages/ future existing wiki pages. ( BMPog ( talk) 19:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC))
The information in the page is well structured, and has the citations to back it up. Particularly liked the opening information, as it contains a clear definition of what it is, and what it is not. I realize you weren't adding information, but the cultural exogamy paragraph could use some work. The information in the article makes it seem as though exogamy is only practiced in foreign, non-north american cultures. What does it look like here? It looks like you've done the most editing from anyone elses pages I've looked at. :) Lrcobbe ( talk) 14:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
This page can be improved quite a bit. There are/were spelling mistakes, very non-encyclopedia wording, claims that are are missing sources, and claims that are unsubstantiated by the listed sources. I suggest that we make it a priority to add high quality (preferably peer-reviewed) sources to this page, and amend information to better match the consensus of those high-quality sources.--
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