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[moved from my talk page, more appropriate here-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 05:41, 28 October 2019 (UTC)]
Hello Marc, Why delete correct content that I added today?
And leave incorrect info such as this: Two versions of the Alice were planned. The initial, unpressurized model is intended for air taxi operations, with energy stored in a lithium-ion battery, Eviation has been working on building a prototype scheduled to fly in early 2019 and aims to certify it under the FAR Part 23 for IFR and known icing conditions. The second, pressurized model will be an extended-range ER executive aircraft available by 2023 for $2.9 million, with a more powerful aluminum-air battery with a lithium-polymer buffer, a cabin pressurized to 1,200 m (4,000 ft) at FL 280, G5000 avionics, a 444 km/h (240 kn) cruise and 1,367 km (738 nmi) range.[1] The pressurized cabin airplane was named the Alice Commuter.[citation needed]
This is the correct, updated content that I added ... after a great deal of research, finding not a word about any unpressurized model on any News or Aviation web site. Check the Eviation Web site to confirm there is no second model and that the current model is pressurized: The airplane, with a pressurized cabin, now named the Alice Commuter, is intended for air taxi operations, with energy stored in a lithium-ion battery. Eviation has been working on building a prototype scheduled to fly in early 2020 and aims to certify it under the FAR Part 23 for IFR and known icing conditions. With 260 Wh/kg cells, the 900 kWh battery capacity (3,460 kg, 7,630 lb) gives the design a range of 540–650 nmi (1,000–1,200 km) at 240 knots and 10,000 ft (3,048 m). This is anticipated to increase as battery technology improves.
Two models may have been planned some years ago, but that has all changed. Only one model, the pressurized Alice Commuter is now planned. If old, incorrect information is included, it should be marked accordingly. I chose to delete the now-incorrect info. but you reverted my edit. Peter K Burian ( talk) 22:06, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
(moved from my talk page, more relevant here-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 15:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC))
I see that you reverted my edit on the Eviation Alice, stating that I needed to review the source and not just the title. I did read the source before I made that edit. The article is not about the Eviation Alice, it is about the Lilium aircraft. The Eviation fire is only mentioned as an afterthought. This source really does not support the article at all, considering that there are much better and more detailed sources out there.
Rather than reverting your edit, I flagged the citation as irrelevant. I will not be making further edits regarding this citation, but I do stand by my decision to delete it. Falconus p t c 14:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Based on this article and this BBC report several of the technical claims and design features put forward by this company are not believable, or at best highly doubtful. To list just a few:
Please be aware that such claims are just marketing puff and do not write them in as verifiably credible. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 19:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
the range, batteries attributes and other technical statistics mentioned on this page with regard to intentions may have once been correct repetition of media announcements, but they no longer match the technical characteristics listed on Eviations own website specs for the Alice. while I see that the text has been changed to reflect that the info is historical, I don't see the change that emphasises what is accurate today with regard to design specs of the Alice. IMHO the text currently reads in a confusing manner and I do not see the data which reflects the data on the Evation website with regard to aircraft range, battery chemistry, energy density, power rating, size and so on repeated here.
I think that the currently published Eviation data needs to be up top, and historical info in a seperate wiki-page section down below for clarity and to avoid reader confusion. I know I'm struggling to seperate historical data claims and current data claims by Eviation in this Wiki page. see: https://www.eviation.co/aircraft/#Alice-Specifications
Thanks. Alastair ps (I have no idea how to use the Wikipedia talk interface properly, so I apologise in advance if I did this incorrectly). WideEyedPupil ( talk) 06:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Coming to Talk for some good old-fashioned WP:BRD regarding incorporation of new information into the Design section here. I updated the section with sourced info from the July 1 announcement, which Marc Lacoste has reverted as 'revert changes to cited content'. I included sources for the changes made, and cited them appropriately. Discuss? Retswerb ( talk) 05:52, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
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[moved from my talk page, more appropriate here-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 05:41, 28 October 2019 (UTC)]
Hello Marc, Why delete correct content that I added today?
And leave incorrect info such as this: Two versions of the Alice were planned. The initial, unpressurized model is intended for air taxi operations, with energy stored in a lithium-ion battery, Eviation has been working on building a prototype scheduled to fly in early 2019 and aims to certify it under the FAR Part 23 for IFR and known icing conditions. The second, pressurized model will be an extended-range ER executive aircraft available by 2023 for $2.9 million, with a more powerful aluminum-air battery with a lithium-polymer buffer, a cabin pressurized to 1,200 m (4,000 ft) at FL 280, G5000 avionics, a 444 km/h (240 kn) cruise and 1,367 km (738 nmi) range.[1] The pressurized cabin airplane was named the Alice Commuter.[citation needed]
This is the correct, updated content that I added ... after a great deal of research, finding not a word about any unpressurized model on any News or Aviation web site. Check the Eviation Web site to confirm there is no second model and that the current model is pressurized: The airplane, with a pressurized cabin, now named the Alice Commuter, is intended for air taxi operations, with energy stored in a lithium-ion battery. Eviation has been working on building a prototype scheduled to fly in early 2020 and aims to certify it under the FAR Part 23 for IFR and known icing conditions. With 260 Wh/kg cells, the 900 kWh battery capacity (3,460 kg, 7,630 lb) gives the design a range of 540–650 nmi (1,000–1,200 km) at 240 knots and 10,000 ft (3,048 m). This is anticipated to increase as battery technology improves.
Two models may have been planned some years ago, but that has all changed. Only one model, the pressurized Alice Commuter is now planned. If old, incorrect information is included, it should be marked accordingly. I chose to delete the now-incorrect info. but you reverted my edit. Peter K Burian ( talk) 22:06, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
(moved from my talk page, more relevant here-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 15:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC))
I see that you reverted my edit on the Eviation Alice, stating that I needed to review the source and not just the title. I did read the source before I made that edit. The article is not about the Eviation Alice, it is about the Lilium aircraft. The Eviation fire is only mentioned as an afterthought. This source really does not support the article at all, considering that there are much better and more detailed sources out there.
Rather than reverting your edit, I flagged the citation as irrelevant. I will not be making further edits regarding this citation, but I do stand by my decision to delete it. Falconus p t c 14:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Based on this article and this BBC report several of the technical claims and design features put forward by this company are not believable, or at best highly doubtful. To list just a few:
Please be aware that such claims are just marketing puff and do not write them in as verifiably credible. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 19:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
the range, batteries attributes and other technical statistics mentioned on this page with regard to intentions may have once been correct repetition of media announcements, but they no longer match the technical characteristics listed on Eviations own website specs for the Alice. while I see that the text has been changed to reflect that the info is historical, I don't see the change that emphasises what is accurate today with regard to design specs of the Alice. IMHO the text currently reads in a confusing manner and I do not see the data which reflects the data on the Evation website with regard to aircraft range, battery chemistry, energy density, power rating, size and so on repeated here.
I think that the currently published Eviation data needs to be up top, and historical info in a seperate wiki-page section down below for clarity and to avoid reader confusion. I know I'm struggling to seperate historical data claims and current data claims by Eviation in this Wiki page. see: https://www.eviation.co/aircraft/#Alice-Specifications
Thanks. Alastair ps (I have no idea how to use the Wikipedia talk interface properly, so I apologise in advance if I did this incorrectly). WideEyedPupil ( talk) 06:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Coming to Talk for some good old-fashioned WP:BRD regarding incorporation of new information into the Design section here. I updated the section with sourced info from the July 1 announcement, which Marc Lacoste has reverted as 'revert changes to cited content'. I included sources for the changes made, and cited them appropriately. Discuss? Retswerb ( talk) 05:52, 29 October 2021 (UTC)