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{{Request edit}} I have what I consider to be a conflict of interest (albeit not what WP considers one), so I'd rather not edit this article. I think it needs two citation-needed templates:
It's the latter item that drew my concern maybe a couple of years ago, and I didn't want to tag it then, for the same reason. Thanks. Nick Levinson ( talk) 01:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Mandery graduated from Harvard University in 1989 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Social Studies, and then went on to graduate from Harvard Law School as Juris Doctor in 1992. His first book was The Campaign: Rudy Giuliani, Ruth Messinger, Al Sharpton, and the Race to Be Mayor of New York City (1999, Perseus Books), an account of his time working for Ruth Messinger on the 1997 New York City mayoral election. He has also published numerous articles dealing with the application and ethics of the death penalty.
This topic/section is continued at the topic/section Pending on Whether to Delete COI Tag on this talk page. Nick Levinson ( talk) 19:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
I have a COI, so I don't want to edit this article.
I previously questioned a poker win amount as unsourced and someone tagged it (see this talk page). Someone else removed the tag without saying so in the Edit Summary and without supplying a source. In the present paragraph on poker, the first citation is for a dead link and the second is the wrong URL (it should be http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-players/21894-evan-mandery/results/overall) and "approximately $60,000" should be restated for the sourced total.
A Works or Publications section perhaps could be added, to list what Mandery has published, including academic works.
Thanks. Nick Levinson ( talk) 21:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
This discussion is at an editor's talk page, but may be continued here. Nick Levinson ( talk) 16:31, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
The latest edits are an improvement and hopefully more will be done. One item not mentioned on this talk page and resulting from the new edits is that, because infoboxes are not accessible to users with visual impairments who depend on their computers to read pages aloud for them, the infobox should have only information that also is in the article's text. In this case, that's his spouse's name and the number of his children. Thus, that should be worked into the article, if sourceable, or deleted from the infobox. Sourceability is required even for information not likely to be challenged; if a source does not exist, even if it's not cited, it isn't supposed to be in, but one should wonder how a non-COI editor would have that information without a source. It is legitimate information for the article and thence for the infobox. (I shouldn't do the editing, because of my COI, and I don't have the sourcing.) Thanks. Nick Levinson ( talk) 18:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Nick Levinson for your concern about the Article and editing it. As you have mentioned above about the content of infobox (Name of wife and children), they have been added on the main Article with references. Every possible reference for the information of the Article was provided. Almost all the information have source now and they have been cited in proper way. So, would you mind removing the COI template that you have added for conflict of interest please? Thanks a lot. Sourov0000 ( talk) 23:25, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I plan soon to ask that an uninvolved editor or admin review the article for deletion or resolution of the COI tagging. It may look like we (the latest editor and I) are working at cross-purposes, but we're not; we're just working nearly simultaneously and I'm not always online, so when something occurs to me I may have to wait until another day. At the moment, these issues, relevant to NPOV (neutral point of view), are evident:
Not everyone might have the free database access my public libraries offer, but it will take me longer to do the research and it might be better if done by a non-COI editor, although, when time permits, I can try to help at this talk page, if needed. Thanks for the work.
Nick Levinson ( talk) 18:59, 21 April 2013 (UTC) (Added on searching, clarified "we", and corrected italicization: 19:10, 21 April 2013 (UTC))
I hope everything is Okay as the Article meets almost every criteria of Wikipedia. Thank you. Sourov0000 ( talk) 22:34, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
It was really great to talk on the page for getting a solution of the matter concerning this Article. Thanks a lot. Sourov0000 ( talk) 20:13, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
The latest edit replaces a Harvard Crimson citation with one for a book on language accent training. As far as I can tell, the language book does not support the statement at all. If it does, I suggest citing the page, as it is 208 pages long, an entry for Mandery is not in its index, Internet Explorer does not seem to support searching its text (perhaps it was prepared as images and not as text), and Okular did not open the PDF at all.
If the language book, which as a PDF seems to be a complete copy of a book, is a copyright violation, I think we are not allowed even to link to it, as that would facilitate copyright infringement under U.S. law.
If the book may be linked to and a page can be cited, consider citing both the book and the Crimson, as the Crimson may be the more reliable source on point.
That Mandery's undergraduate degree was a B.A. and was in social studies are apparently not supported by the Crimson source, as I found when I checked both sources within the last hour or so. If they are supported by the Crimson source, I suggest indicating where. If they are not supported by the Crimson source, then I suggest finding a source for each statement, deleting them, or tagging them as {{Citation needed}} and providing appropriate citations for the statements they do support, such as by providing the citations before the specific degree, since Mandery did graduate in '89.
Thank you. Nick Levinson ( talk) 15:18, 24 April 2013 (UTC) (Corrected syntax: 15:23, 24 April 2013 (UTC))
Thank you. Sourov0000 ( talk) 19:18, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
OK - there are some minor NPOV issues that could be addressed.
None of these NPOV issues are show-stoppers.
As far as the COI, I'm still working on that, although I am not particularly disturbed by anything I've seen so far. Manning ( talk) 13:09, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I've now reviewed the COI situation using information provided to me off-wiki. I'm now quite satisfied that the COI tag can be removed. Manning ( talk) 22:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
OK, after reviewing, I've cleaned up the article to make it more neutral.
I note from above that an editor has stated that the claimed degree in social studies is not supported by the ref provided. If so, this should be removed, or provided with a reliable ref. "Blockshopper" is not a reliable reference in this case, such real estate services are under no obligation to verify the data they report.
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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{{Request edit}} I have what I consider to be a conflict of interest (albeit not what WP considers one), so I'd rather not edit this article. I think it needs two citation-needed templates:
It's the latter item that drew my concern maybe a couple of years ago, and I didn't want to tag it then, for the same reason. Thanks. Nick Levinson ( talk) 01:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Mandery graduated from Harvard University in 1989 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Social Studies, and then went on to graduate from Harvard Law School as Juris Doctor in 1992. His first book was The Campaign: Rudy Giuliani, Ruth Messinger, Al Sharpton, and the Race to Be Mayor of New York City (1999, Perseus Books), an account of his time working for Ruth Messinger on the 1997 New York City mayoral election. He has also published numerous articles dealing with the application and ethics of the death penalty.
This topic/section is continued at the topic/section Pending on Whether to Delete COI Tag on this talk page. Nick Levinson ( talk) 19:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
I have a COI, so I don't want to edit this article.
I previously questioned a poker win amount as unsourced and someone tagged it (see this talk page). Someone else removed the tag without saying so in the Edit Summary and without supplying a source. In the present paragraph on poker, the first citation is for a dead link and the second is the wrong URL (it should be http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-players/21894-evan-mandery/results/overall) and "approximately $60,000" should be restated for the sourced total.
A Works or Publications section perhaps could be added, to list what Mandery has published, including academic works.
Thanks. Nick Levinson ( talk) 21:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
This discussion is at an editor's talk page, but may be continued here. Nick Levinson ( talk) 16:31, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
The latest edits are an improvement and hopefully more will be done. One item not mentioned on this talk page and resulting from the new edits is that, because infoboxes are not accessible to users with visual impairments who depend on their computers to read pages aloud for them, the infobox should have only information that also is in the article's text. In this case, that's his spouse's name and the number of his children. Thus, that should be worked into the article, if sourceable, or deleted from the infobox. Sourceability is required even for information not likely to be challenged; if a source does not exist, even if it's not cited, it isn't supposed to be in, but one should wonder how a non-COI editor would have that information without a source. It is legitimate information for the article and thence for the infobox. (I shouldn't do the editing, because of my COI, and I don't have the sourcing.) Thanks. Nick Levinson ( talk) 18:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Nick Levinson for your concern about the Article and editing it. As you have mentioned above about the content of infobox (Name of wife and children), they have been added on the main Article with references. Every possible reference for the information of the Article was provided. Almost all the information have source now and they have been cited in proper way. So, would you mind removing the COI template that you have added for conflict of interest please? Thanks a lot. Sourov0000 ( talk) 23:25, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I plan soon to ask that an uninvolved editor or admin review the article for deletion or resolution of the COI tagging. It may look like we (the latest editor and I) are working at cross-purposes, but we're not; we're just working nearly simultaneously and I'm not always online, so when something occurs to me I may have to wait until another day. At the moment, these issues, relevant to NPOV (neutral point of view), are evident:
Not everyone might have the free database access my public libraries offer, but it will take me longer to do the research and it might be better if done by a non-COI editor, although, when time permits, I can try to help at this talk page, if needed. Thanks for the work.
Nick Levinson ( talk) 18:59, 21 April 2013 (UTC) (Added on searching, clarified "we", and corrected italicization: 19:10, 21 April 2013 (UTC))
I hope everything is Okay as the Article meets almost every criteria of Wikipedia. Thank you. Sourov0000 ( talk) 22:34, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
It was really great to talk on the page for getting a solution of the matter concerning this Article. Thanks a lot. Sourov0000 ( talk) 20:13, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
The latest edit replaces a Harvard Crimson citation with one for a book on language accent training. As far as I can tell, the language book does not support the statement at all. If it does, I suggest citing the page, as it is 208 pages long, an entry for Mandery is not in its index, Internet Explorer does not seem to support searching its text (perhaps it was prepared as images and not as text), and Okular did not open the PDF at all.
If the language book, which as a PDF seems to be a complete copy of a book, is a copyright violation, I think we are not allowed even to link to it, as that would facilitate copyright infringement under U.S. law.
If the book may be linked to and a page can be cited, consider citing both the book and the Crimson, as the Crimson may be the more reliable source on point.
That Mandery's undergraduate degree was a B.A. and was in social studies are apparently not supported by the Crimson source, as I found when I checked both sources within the last hour or so. If they are supported by the Crimson source, I suggest indicating where. If they are not supported by the Crimson source, then I suggest finding a source for each statement, deleting them, or tagging them as {{Citation needed}} and providing appropriate citations for the statements they do support, such as by providing the citations before the specific degree, since Mandery did graduate in '89.
Thank you. Nick Levinson ( talk) 15:18, 24 April 2013 (UTC) (Corrected syntax: 15:23, 24 April 2013 (UTC))
Thank you. Sourov0000 ( talk) 19:18, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
OK - there are some minor NPOV issues that could be addressed.
None of these NPOV issues are show-stoppers.
As far as the COI, I'm still working on that, although I am not particularly disturbed by anything I've seen so far. Manning ( talk) 13:09, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I've now reviewed the COI situation using information provided to me off-wiki. I'm now quite satisfied that the COI tag can be removed. Manning ( talk) 22:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
OK, after reviewing, I've cleaned up the article to make it more neutral.
I note from above that an editor has stated that the claimed degree in social studies is not supported by the ref provided. If so, this should be removed, or provided with a reliable ref. "Blockshopper" is not a reliable reference in this case, such real estate services are under no obligation to verify the data they report.