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Did you know... that Eva Duldig, who was interned by Australia during the Second World War, later represented the country at the
Wimbledon Championships?
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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ALT1: ... that even though Eva Duldig was held by Australia in an internment camp for two years during WWII, she later represented the country at
Wimbledon? Source: same
ALT2: ... that even though Eva Duldig was held by Australia at
Tatura internment camp for two years during WWII, she later represented the country at
Wimbledon? Source: same
Reviewed:
Comment: Nominated by
Schwede66 on behalf of an IP editor as requested at
WT:DYK. ALT0 is as per the IP's request; Alt1 is by Schwede as "enemy alien" in the source refers to what happened to Jews in Singapore after the Duldig family had left there.
The copyright of the first image (right) should be ok for Wikipedia but I suggest that a copyright expert comments on it. The drawing is from the 1940s by
Karl Duldig (1902–1986). I presume that the copyright sits with the family and his granddaughter is thus able to release this under a free license. The second image (left) is definitely with an appropriate license.
Moved to mainspace by
User:HitroMilanese but drafted by
2603:7000:2143:8500:CD4B:DD83:2234:A6CF (
talk). Nominated by
Schwede66 (
talk) at 19:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC).reply
QPQ: - Not done Overall: Way to many citations. Some close paraphrasing that should be copyedited. No preference on the photos --
evrik(
talk) 01:16, 30 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your note on my talk page,
evrik. You may have seen that I have nominated this on behalf of an IP. My guess is that the IP is keeping an eye on
WT:DYK where they requested this, so they will (eventually) see your feedback. I would prefer for the IP to deal with the issues. It was me who put all the photos up for deletion and this process takes a week on Commons. Hence, I suggest we reconvene in a week's time and see whether the IP has shown up. If not, I'll see whether I can deal with this. If this is going to go somewhere, I will provide a QPQ. I don't agree with your assessment on hook interest; I reckon it's a fabulous hook fact! Schwede66 03:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Drive-by comment, but I disagree that this article is "overcited". There is no maximum quantity of citations that an article can have - generally, the guideline is no more than 3 inline citations in a row, and the article contains up to 4 consecutive footnotes. However, I don't see how exactly this is a problem for DYK, unless these sources don't constitute significant coverage, are used to verify random facts, or something else.
Epicgenius (
talk) 14:46, 30 August 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Schwede66: Thank you. @
Epicgenius: If the only remaining issue is the citations, I'll let that go. There are however, other issues. --
evrik(
talk) 02:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Also, for what it's worth, the hook is pretty interesting to me. I'd personally reword it like this though:
Hook three is acceptable. --
evrik(
talk) 02:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Overcitation, if it ever was an issue, has been dealt with. I shall throw in a QPQ:
Earth Goddess (sculpture) (the Earth Goddess article). The photos haven't been deleted yet. I shall have a look at close paraphrasing and take the necessary actions. Schwede66 08:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I've dealt with close paraphrasing. Schwede66 09:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
A fact from Eva Duldig appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 September 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that Eva Duldig, who was interned by Australia during the Second World War, later represented the country at the
Wimbledon Championships?
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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ALT1: ... that even though Eva Duldig was held by Australia in an internment camp for two years during WWII, she later represented the country at
Wimbledon? Source: same
ALT2: ... that even though Eva Duldig was held by Australia at
Tatura internment camp for two years during WWII, she later represented the country at
Wimbledon? Source: same
Reviewed:
Comment: Nominated by
Schwede66 on behalf of an IP editor as requested at
WT:DYK. ALT0 is as per the IP's request; Alt1 is by Schwede as "enemy alien" in the source refers to what happened to Jews in Singapore after the Duldig family had left there.
The copyright of the first image (right) should be ok for Wikipedia but I suggest that a copyright expert comments on it. The drawing is from the 1940s by
Karl Duldig (1902–1986). I presume that the copyright sits with the family and his granddaughter is thus able to release this under a free license. The second image (left) is definitely with an appropriate license.
Moved to mainspace by
User:HitroMilanese but drafted by
2603:7000:2143:8500:CD4B:DD83:2234:A6CF (
talk). Nominated by
Schwede66 (
talk) at 19:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC).reply
QPQ: - Not done Overall: Way to many citations. Some close paraphrasing that should be copyedited. No preference on the photos --
evrik(
talk) 01:16, 30 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your note on my talk page,
evrik. You may have seen that I have nominated this on behalf of an IP. My guess is that the IP is keeping an eye on
WT:DYK where they requested this, so they will (eventually) see your feedback. I would prefer for the IP to deal with the issues. It was me who put all the photos up for deletion and this process takes a week on Commons. Hence, I suggest we reconvene in a week's time and see whether the IP has shown up. If not, I'll see whether I can deal with this. If this is going to go somewhere, I will provide a QPQ. I don't agree with your assessment on hook interest; I reckon it's a fabulous hook fact! Schwede66 03:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Drive-by comment, but I disagree that this article is "overcited". There is no maximum quantity of citations that an article can have - generally, the guideline is no more than 3 inline citations in a row, and the article contains up to 4 consecutive footnotes. However, I don't see how exactly this is a problem for DYK, unless these sources don't constitute significant coverage, are used to verify random facts, or something else.
Epicgenius (
talk) 14:46, 30 August 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Schwede66: Thank you. @
Epicgenius: If the only remaining issue is the citations, I'll let that go. There are however, other issues. --
evrik(
talk) 02:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Also, for what it's worth, the hook is pretty interesting to me. I'd personally reword it like this though:
Hook three is acceptable. --
evrik(
talk) 02:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Overcitation, if it ever was an issue, has been dealt with. I shall throw in a QPQ:
Earth Goddess (sculpture) (the Earth Goddess article). The photos haven't been deleted yet. I shall have a look at close paraphrasing and take the necessary actions. Schwede66 08:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I've dealt with close paraphrasing. Schwede66 09:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply