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Named after Lord Euston I think. There's a panel which explains the origins of the name on the Northern Line (Charing + branch) platform of the tube station, beneath one of the coat of arms decorations there.... are there any London-based wikipedians who care to go take a look? -- Tarquin 10:28 Feb 13, 2003 (UTC)
86.157.214.105 ( talk) 08:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC) The statement "The station is named after Euston Hall in Suffolk, the ancestral home of the Dukes of Grafton, the main landowners in the area during the mid-19th century" is poorly expressed and ambiguous. Does "the area" mean the Euston area in Suffolk, or the land in London?
I thought there are only 18 platforms? Also the sleeper trains are operated by Scotrail. It's been a while since I've been down there... Arwel 23:08 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
Clarification Platforms 8-11 (known, I believe, as The Woods, on account of their previous construction--citation needed!) are exclusively for suburban trains, operated both by London Overground (formerly Silverlink Metro) and London-Midland (formerly Silverlink County). London Overground services usually depart from Platform 9. These platforms have automatic ticket barriers. -- Pubwebmaster ( talk) 19:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
"Euston is located in the former borough of St. Pancras (now Camden), on the northern edge of the city centre." If we need to know the borough, why do we need to know the former one first? Surely the more currently-relevant fact is where it is now, not where it was up to the 60s or 70s or whenever?? Nevilley 17:04, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
"Euston is also notable for being the only main line rail terminus in Central London which is not served by the Circle Line. The nearest Circle Line station is Euston Square, which is 250m away."
Hmm - the thing is that to all extents and purposes for interchanging (and I often do this), Euston Square *is* the Circle Line station for Euston. Similarly Embankment is the Circle Line station for Charing Cross (and was called that in one form or another for over 100 years). Or Southwark is encouraged as the Jubilee Line station for Waterloo East despite another tube station being part of the same complex as Waterloo East and having a closer name match. Also Euston Square tube is over thirty years older than Euston tube. Timrollpickering 21:51, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I'd never ever ever ever ever say that. "I'm just nipping down to London Euston to pick up Mum"? Erm no. I agree it is sometimes used in railspeak and timetablespeak and things, and the article might well acknowledge this, but I don't agree at all that it is "better known" as that. I'd argue that the better known one is the one most people use - Euston without the London - not one that's a sort of code or formula for what it really is. I'd be interested to read what others think before I make any change. Nevilley 08:04, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
138.253.102.162 10:49, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Should this article be called Euston station or Euston Station? The article uses, both (especialy in the picture captions) and one of eth pictures shows the latter. Andy Mabbett 15:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Can one of you please clean up my HTML, I may be good at it but I know people on here can do it better. I've added a template but don't know how to put the text, so it is in-line with the table. Thanks
I'm copying this from the discussion on Talk:Birmingham New Street station for the bulk renaming of some articles, including this, to follow the naming convetions, as it's only relevant to here:
I really do think that there should be an article at Euston station about the combined unit, with Euston railway station and Euston tube station as sub-articles about the sub-parts, rather than an artificial split for the two on reasons of length. We don't treat "History of foo" and "Economy of foo" without an article on "foo", and I think that we should do the same here. However, as some effort has gone into the split, I'm asking here rather than merely being bold.
So, thoughts?
James F. (talk) 13:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
We need to agree what should go in the {{rail}} template at See also - is it the line or is it the service, or do we need both. An anon editor replaced West Coast Main Line with "London-Northampton line", which describes the service, not the line. Likewise the Scotrail sleeper services that I took out for consistency, but now I'm not sure. It is worth looking a big multi-directtions station like Bristol Temple Meads railway station to see the total picture that we are missing at Euston since it is a terminus (like Kyle of Lochalsh railway station!). It seems that we need lines and services here too. -- Concrete Cowboy 17:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
There's a lot of "some people think", we need references to notable critical opinion. redcountess 21:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
A year later, nothing seems to have been done about this, and the second half of that section is clearly opinion rather than factual. As a half-way house, I'm going to break it into sections for 'controversy' and 'IRA attack'. The controversy section will still need attributations and cleaning up, but at least it will be clearly segregated from a factual description of the new building. I believe it is a controvercial building and it certainly isn't particularly attractive, but that sort of thing doesn't belong in the general section describing the new building. The IRA attack deserves a section to itself as a fairly significant event in the buildings history.
Others are welcome to change this further, I'm just trying to clean up what's there at present. -- ThePaintedOne 08:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree, the criticism/controversial nature of the station should be stated. And I agree it should be under a separate heading. The station is deeply controversial and this somehow needs to be set out. Under the entry for Birmingham New Street – an equally controversial station, designed I believe by the same people who designed Euston (yes, I know that doesn’t surprise at all!!) – is to be found a section simply entitled ‘criticism’. Perhaps this would be a simple enough heading to copy.
For my part I think Euston is an awful station in layout and especially in design; it has all the charisma of a concrete paving slab and I loath having to use it. I think it speaks volumes for how bad a design it is – and how much potential it holds – that Network Rail are prepared to contemplate demolishing the whole thing and starting again.
But I agree the criticisms need to be said in a detached way. Below is my very VERY! long winded attempt which I readily admit is far from perfect or detached. I can dig up plenty of references to articles and papers criticizing the design of the station and others to support this, so can work on that before this goes onto the main page.
Please let me know what you think. Thanks.
Like many other large railway stations Euston suffers from a range of problems in layout and operation. Its design has also been the subject of much discussion and criticism. Perhaps the most often given complaint surrounds the overall architectural style of the station buildings. In comparison to a large number of other major London stations such as Paddington, St Pancras or Kings Cross, the design of Euston is seen to be generally unappealing and bland. This is made only more so by reference to some of the buildings such as the Euston Arch and Great Hall which it replaced in the 1960s. The current station buildings therefore live in the shadow of memories of the old station that they could perhaps never have surpassed.
As a result of the various redevelopments, Euston station is said to have ‘lost its front door’. The front of the station, facing in the direction of Euston road is now obscured behind the later developments of the 1970s and a series of windswept and untidy open spaces. Providing Euston with a ‘front door’ is seen to be one of the key aims of proposed future redevelopments.
The platforms, especially those on the eastern side of the station, are generally dark and offer a subterranean feel. This is a consequence of the design of the roof above the platforms which is flat and made of concrete. The roof was designed as such so that development could take place above the platforms as happened at Birmingham New Street station. Development has never occurred yet the flat roof has remained in place.
The exterior of the complex is windowless dark brick and corrugated metal, more typical perhaps of an industrial estate than a major metropolitan building. Its impact on the local area has been described as anything but complimentary.
The 1960s designed concourse is now home to a number of retail units that were not part of the original design. The location of these outlets, built to maximise retail space and the services for passengers, has crowded the original design.
Access for disabled persons remains a contentious issue. While the area around the station does have slopes providing access, several sets of stairs remain in places where no accompanying ramp provides easy access for those in wheelchairs or with pushchairs. Access to and from the taxi rank is also difficult for those in wheelchairs or with large amounts of luggage unless they request assistance from station staff who will provide them with access to the concourse via service tunnels. There is no public lift to and from the taxi rank. Like many other underground stations Euston remains inaccessible to those in wheelchairs.
Despite these criticisms a poll in 2007 of passengers views of the twenty busiest UK stations saw Euston come eighth. The station gained a 73% approval rating for customer satisfaction. The average vote was 60%, with Manchester Piccadilly topping the ratings at 92% and Birmingham New Street and East Croydon coming last with 52%.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6927406.stm
timloliver 22 August 2007.
The citation given for the proposed link cites in turn a page the Network Rail site — which is dead. A search of Google using Euston-square link site:networkrail.co.uk has no finds. Tubelines.co.uk has a 2003 press release to say that it has been contracted to examine the proposal but nothing more. An April 2007 press release there, on refurbishment work at Euston Station, doesn't mention it. Has the idea been spiked?
(It is really needed. It is painful for travellers with baggage heading for a WCML destination to have to drag cases up the steps at E-S, cross the road, then up more steps into Euston. And of course it doesn't comply with DDA.) -- Concrete Cowboy 12:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Someone edited the page to say it is a 17 minute walk from Euston to St. Pancras. I changed it to say a "brief" walk, as the distance is less than half a mile and really shouldn't take anyone in any sort of shape that long. Even with construction on Euston Road and all the CTRL stuff, I walked Euston-King's Cross in far less than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.164.168 ( talk • contribs)
I walk between Euston and St Pancras 5 days a week for work, admittedly I cut through Summerstown. Even when walking down Euston Road, this walk never takes longer than 10 minutes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:ca1a:f900:b8d7:2cd9:5aab:6996 ( talk) 00:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
I've beefed up this section, adding in sources to substantiate the criticism which has been made of the new station. Can the 'Weasel Words' heading now be removed? Ravenseft 12:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The seated are of the food court features mice walking around by customers feet. Beggars often can be seen harrassing customers for money. Have any of the people who have editing my comments ever been to Euston Station and looked around, or just cut and paste information from the internet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.104.212.40 ( talk) 10:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
"I work at Euston Station for Network Rail"
I think that sums your actions up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.104.212.40 ( talk) 10:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the article states "It is one of 17 British railway stations managed by Network Rail...".
1. Is there a list someone could produce, or a link to a page?
2. Is the count accurate?
Thanks, Ian -- Ormers ( talk) 22:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
The HS2 study suggests transferring the "eight stopping services into London which are currently operated by London Midland from Milton Keynes, Tring, Berkhamsted and similar (on the slow lines)" to Crossrail. Now the services listed on this page do not add up to 8tph London Midland suggesting it needs updating but the original source isn't even given. Anyone know where this data is?- J.Logan` t: 11:08, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I propose to merge Euston tube station and Euston railway station because they are two separate articles for one complex and when other stations like Liverpool Street station and London Victoria station are just one article, it makes me wonder why two articles were created in the first place. Also there is London Underground info on this article itself - so why two articles, surely this creates confusion. Likelife ( talk) 12:34, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I recently changed the Virgin services to follow their regular hourly daytime timetable rather than the current set-up which lists Watford Junction as the first stop for everything except Tamworth for the Glasgow trains (even though one Glasgow train stops at Milton Keynes), and it got reverted under 'Wikipedia is not a timetable' (even though I didn't make it into one). As far as I can tell standard practise on most articles is to put the regular daytime service pattern in the boxes, with less frequent earlier stops sometimes shown underneath. At the moment just putting Watford for everything somewhat defies the point of having the boxes at all because it doesn't tell the reader anything about the service patterns. They'll click to the Watford article which doesn't even distinguish between final destinations. So I wanted to put it out there to everyone on here, do you support changing it to the hourly daytime services (Milton Keynes for Chester trains, Warrington for Glasgow trains etc), oppose and want to keep the current set-up or do you think somewhere between the two? Tom walker ( talk) 09:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm guessing that "tph" is short for "trains per hour", but I shouldn't have to guess in an encyclopedia article. --- Guest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.202.28 ( talk) 16:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC) Tnx! Ortolan88 ( talk) 23:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC) (I reveal myself to the snippy autosigner)
I don't want to start an edit war so I'm posting here instead - having Tamworth as the first stop makes no sense. The 05:39 ex-Euston stops first at Watford Junction and the regular hourly service is fast to Warrington. So I only see two choices, which is either list the first stop in all cases, which would basically create Watford Watford Watford. However I think we should use the regular hourly weekday timetable, perhaps including an 'or' footnote for earlier stops if there's a consensus to include that. This would create the following:
The current setup makes no sense at all and I think this would definitely be better, but I'm open to other ideas. Please discuss and hopefully we can get a broad consensus from as many contributors as possible. Tom walker ( talk) 15:04, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
*Support - what I think is the proposal, which appears to the modification of the latest route box in this discussion, i.e. only one line for Virgin Trains as described by the latest comment by
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Comment - The thing is the departures run up physically different lines - If I was trying to make it the timetable I'd have nine boxes not five, which would be against wiki policy. Tom walker ( talk) 17:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Some years ago there was a TV programme (C4?), hostess Kirsty Wark which were trying to find out what had happned to the remains of the Euston Arch. Eventually some of it was found as a garden wall but most of it had ended up in a river bed as infill. A diver was hired to check the river bed and the remains of the arch located and a small piece raised. AT Kunene ( talk) 12:36, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
I was recently pointed at some wonderful old aerial photographs, one of which is of the old Euston station ( photos). The text makes the following note: "This superb picture clearly shows the original layout of Euston, with the Great Hall behind the Doric Arch dividing the station in two halves. The western half (on the left) was originally to have been used by the Great Western Railway, unitl it decided to develop Paddington, with the London & North Western Railway originally intended to occupy the eastern (right-hand) section.". As we don't mention this on either the Euston or Paddington articles, does anyone have a further reference to this possible history? -- AlisonW ( talk) 20:45, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
I am having some trouble editing the usage figures for the station, I have changed the numbers but the old ones seem to still be coming up! I tried changing "railexits" to "usage" but this just removed all of the figures! Can anyone shed some light on this? Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 11:00, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
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A discussion about possibly-confused stations was held here User_talk:Ritchie333#Heuston and Euston and following that I put the distinguish Heuston Station back after it had been deleted; also added Euston Square tube which is often confused, per suggestion in that discussion.
82.69.229.22 ( talk) 14:19, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
This subsection needs updating now that work is underway. [1] seems to be the latest official source of plans-- FDent ( talk) 21:37, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Ritchie333 and I seem to have "a difference of emphasis" (as the politicos like to say) on this one, so we had better discuss rather than get into a revert battle. Ritchie333 cites https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/plan-to-scale-back-hs2-labelled-concerning-unacceptable-and-an-insult-16-12-2020/ in support of the view that it is all back up in the air. [I argue that this says nothing about Euston, it is just about eastern leg of the Y to Leeds). In response, I can cite "First freight train arrives at HS2's main construction compound". Dry Bulk. 21 December 2020. to show that the reality says that it is definitely going ahead. What exactly is going ahead remains to be seen but there can be no doubt that, at Euston and Curzon St, two big cemeteries have been excavated and the bones relocated. At Euston, Stevenson Tower out front and buildings along the other side of Melton St have been demolished. Obviously, per WP:CRYSTAL, we can't say what the outcome will be, it may all end in economic crash, but the facts on the ground are inescapable. It is happening. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 10:48, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
On 15 April 2020, formal approval was given to construction companies to start work on the project. [1]
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I removed a bunch of recent changes because, as John Maynard Friedman observed, it is unsourced original research. Since having that in a good article devalues the GA criteria and procedures, it should be removed. So how do we progress with this? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:13, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
A significant source seems to be missing from the article's bibliography: Euston Station Through Time. This might help. Andrew🐉( talk) 23:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333: Please read MOS:HYPHEN. "Avoid using a hyphen after a standard -ly adverb (a newly available home, a wholly owned subsidiary) ...". Chris the speller yack 22:03, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
I made a bold edit that user:Ritchie333 reverted, so let's discuss.
My reason for the changes were these:
In their edit note, Ritchie says that the left/right setting is needed for small screens. I previewed the changes on 11" screen, so how small is small? Not mobile obviously because the layout changes completely.
I made some other corrections but it looks like it was the image issue that was the main reason for reverting.
Do other editors have a view? (Ritchie, you might want to coirect my paraphrase of your edit note or expand on it.) -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 19:32, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
I remember the policeman running out to the forecourt as we were waiting for our Scottish sleeper to be announced and for a six year old lad with his mum and little brother and an uncle, we orderly left the station to regroup in a small park garden a fair distance away and that police officer literally bellowing "Get out, theres a bomb" as we moved out from the main entrance was quite frightening for everyone.
My father with his car at the Motorail terminal in Kensington was doing his pieces, that was the time it just all went wrong as we were put onto a later train but thanks to me dad we got a first class cabin and so we awaited him in Inverness for his train to arrive and found they had unloaded his Hillman Hunter at Stirling and so he and we had to wait at BR's expense in the big station hotel there for BR to tag his car onto the next up Motorail the next day.
Another year, we had decided to travel as one family from Kensington Motorail when a shunter was killed by a shifting coach that speared the poor man who was incidentally a working friend of my father and as he was the ranking BR man on the spot and Olympia was just on the edge of the SR he had to take control best he could and so we were whisked away to Euston to catch the held back sleeper and both my brother and I had a great sense of trepidation going back into the station and even my mum was uncommonly nervous.
So an eyewitness from that very night, it was truly terrifying especially when the police came to talk to us they said they had little warning and ironic too that in later years my own mother became an official code-taker for warnings from the IRA at her newspapers. It was a duty she abhorred because of the potential death and destruction her news portended.
92.11.135.180 ( talk) 18:21, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Hotpantsraindance, John Maynard Friedman Can you settle your differences here. The majority of the prose in question is sourced to London's Termini, Alan Jackson, (1984) [1969], David & Charles. I cannot easily get the book out of the library because it access is still restricted owing to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
The demolition of the original buildings in 1962 has been described as "one of the greatest acts of Post-War architectural vandalism in Britain" and was approved directly by Harold Macmillan.[101][102]. MOS:QUOTE requires explicit citation for quotations. Cite 101 is a Railway News Op-ed about something completely different, that repeats this "quotation" in passing without citation: it looks like WP: circular to me. 102 is a Guardian article that never mentions the word vandalism. Need I continue? -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 19:36, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 05:10, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Euston railway station → London Euston Station – This is a procedural nomination. The article was unilaterally moved to this title by Coffeeloved456 ( talk · contribs) with the rationale "Better fitting and more descriptive location title", but I believe consensus is necessary first. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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Named after Lord Euston I think. There's a panel which explains the origins of the name on the Northern Line (Charing + branch) platform of the tube station, beneath one of the coat of arms decorations there.... are there any London-based wikipedians who care to go take a look? -- Tarquin 10:28 Feb 13, 2003 (UTC)
86.157.214.105 ( talk) 08:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC) The statement "The station is named after Euston Hall in Suffolk, the ancestral home of the Dukes of Grafton, the main landowners in the area during the mid-19th century" is poorly expressed and ambiguous. Does "the area" mean the Euston area in Suffolk, or the land in London?
I thought there are only 18 platforms? Also the sleeper trains are operated by Scotrail. It's been a while since I've been down there... Arwel 23:08 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
Clarification Platforms 8-11 (known, I believe, as The Woods, on account of their previous construction--citation needed!) are exclusively for suburban trains, operated both by London Overground (formerly Silverlink Metro) and London-Midland (formerly Silverlink County). London Overground services usually depart from Platform 9. These platforms have automatic ticket barriers. -- Pubwebmaster ( talk) 19:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
"Euston is located in the former borough of St. Pancras (now Camden), on the northern edge of the city centre." If we need to know the borough, why do we need to know the former one first? Surely the more currently-relevant fact is where it is now, not where it was up to the 60s or 70s or whenever?? Nevilley 17:04, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
"Euston is also notable for being the only main line rail terminus in Central London which is not served by the Circle Line. The nearest Circle Line station is Euston Square, which is 250m away."
Hmm - the thing is that to all extents and purposes for interchanging (and I often do this), Euston Square *is* the Circle Line station for Euston. Similarly Embankment is the Circle Line station for Charing Cross (and was called that in one form or another for over 100 years). Or Southwark is encouraged as the Jubilee Line station for Waterloo East despite another tube station being part of the same complex as Waterloo East and having a closer name match. Also Euston Square tube is over thirty years older than Euston tube. Timrollpickering 21:51, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I'd never ever ever ever ever say that. "I'm just nipping down to London Euston to pick up Mum"? Erm no. I agree it is sometimes used in railspeak and timetablespeak and things, and the article might well acknowledge this, but I don't agree at all that it is "better known" as that. I'd argue that the better known one is the one most people use - Euston without the London - not one that's a sort of code or formula for what it really is. I'd be interested to read what others think before I make any change. Nevilley 08:04, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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Should this article be called Euston station or Euston Station? The article uses, both (especialy in the picture captions) and one of eth pictures shows the latter. Andy Mabbett 15:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Can one of you please clean up my HTML, I may be good at it but I know people on here can do it better. I've added a template but don't know how to put the text, so it is in-line with the table. Thanks
I'm copying this from the discussion on Talk:Birmingham New Street station for the bulk renaming of some articles, including this, to follow the naming convetions, as it's only relevant to here:
I really do think that there should be an article at Euston station about the combined unit, with Euston railway station and Euston tube station as sub-articles about the sub-parts, rather than an artificial split for the two on reasons of length. We don't treat "History of foo" and "Economy of foo" without an article on "foo", and I think that we should do the same here. However, as some effort has gone into the split, I'm asking here rather than merely being bold.
So, thoughts?
James F. (talk) 13:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
We need to agree what should go in the {{rail}} template at See also - is it the line or is it the service, or do we need both. An anon editor replaced West Coast Main Line with "London-Northampton line", which describes the service, not the line. Likewise the Scotrail sleeper services that I took out for consistency, but now I'm not sure. It is worth looking a big multi-directtions station like Bristol Temple Meads railway station to see the total picture that we are missing at Euston since it is a terminus (like Kyle of Lochalsh railway station!). It seems that we need lines and services here too. -- Concrete Cowboy 17:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
There's a lot of "some people think", we need references to notable critical opinion. redcountess 21:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
A year later, nothing seems to have been done about this, and the second half of that section is clearly opinion rather than factual. As a half-way house, I'm going to break it into sections for 'controversy' and 'IRA attack'. The controversy section will still need attributations and cleaning up, but at least it will be clearly segregated from a factual description of the new building. I believe it is a controvercial building and it certainly isn't particularly attractive, but that sort of thing doesn't belong in the general section describing the new building. The IRA attack deserves a section to itself as a fairly significant event in the buildings history.
Others are welcome to change this further, I'm just trying to clean up what's there at present. -- ThePaintedOne 08:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree, the criticism/controversial nature of the station should be stated. And I agree it should be under a separate heading. The station is deeply controversial and this somehow needs to be set out. Under the entry for Birmingham New Street – an equally controversial station, designed I believe by the same people who designed Euston (yes, I know that doesn’t surprise at all!!) – is to be found a section simply entitled ‘criticism’. Perhaps this would be a simple enough heading to copy.
For my part I think Euston is an awful station in layout and especially in design; it has all the charisma of a concrete paving slab and I loath having to use it. I think it speaks volumes for how bad a design it is – and how much potential it holds – that Network Rail are prepared to contemplate demolishing the whole thing and starting again.
But I agree the criticisms need to be said in a detached way. Below is my very VERY! long winded attempt which I readily admit is far from perfect or detached. I can dig up plenty of references to articles and papers criticizing the design of the station and others to support this, so can work on that before this goes onto the main page.
Please let me know what you think. Thanks.
Like many other large railway stations Euston suffers from a range of problems in layout and operation. Its design has also been the subject of much discussion and criticism. Perhaps the most often given complaint surrounds the overall architectural style of the station buildings. In comparison to a large number of other major London stations such as Paddington, St Pancras or Kings Cross, the design of Euston is seen to be generally unappealing and bland. This is made only more so by reference to some of the buildings such as the Euston Arch and Great Hall which it replaced in the 1960s. The current station buildings therefore live in the shadow of memories of the old station that they could perhaps never have surpassed.
As a result of the various redevelopments, Euston station is said to have ‘lost its front door’. The front of the station, facing in the direction of Euston road is now obscured behind the later developments of the 1970s and a series of windswept and untidy open spaces. Providing Euston with a ‘front door’ is seen to be one of the key aims of proposed future redevelopments.
The platforms, especially those on the eastern side of the station, are generally dark and offer a subterranean feel. This is a consequence of the design of the roof above the platforms which is flat and made of concrete. The roof was designed as such so that development could take place above the platforms as happened at Birmingham New Street station. Development has never occurred yet the flat roof has remained in place.
The exterior of the complex is windowless dark brick and corrugated metal, more typical perhaps of an industrial estate than a major metropolitan building. Its impact on the local area has been described as anything but complimentary.
The 1960s designed concourse is now home to a number of retail units that were not part of the original design. The location of these outlets, built to maximise retail space and the services for passengers, has crowded the original design.
Access for disabled persons remains a contentious issue. While the area around the station does have slopes providing access, several sets of stairs remain in places where no accompanying ramp provides easy access for those in wheelchairs or with pushchairs. Access to and from the taxi rank is also difficult for those in wheelchairs or with large amounts of luggage unless they request assistance from station staff who will provide them with access to the concourse via service tunnels. There is no public lift to and from the taxi rank. Like many other underground stations Euston remains inaccessible to those in wheelchairs.
Despite these criticisms a poll in 2007 of passengers views of the twenty busiest UK stations saw Euston come eighth. The station gained a 73% approval rating for customer satisfaction. The average vote was 60%, with Manchester Piccadilly topping the ratings at 92% and Birmingham New Street and East Croydon coming last with 52%.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6927406.stm
timloliver 22 August 2007.
The citation given for the proposed link cites in turn a page the Network Rail site — which is dead. A search of Google using Euston-square link site:networkrail.co.uk has no finds. Tubelines.co.uk has a 2003 press release to say that it has been contracted to examine the proposal but nothing more. An April 2007 press release there, on refurbishment work at Euston Station, doesn't mention it. Has the idea been spiked?
(It is really needed. It is painful for travellers with baggage heading for a WCML destination to have to drag cases up the steps at E-S, cross the road, then up more steps into Euston. And of course it doesn't comply with DDA.) -- Concrete Cowboy 12:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Someone edited the page to say it is a 17 minute walk from Euston to St. Pancras. I changed it to say a "brief" walk, as the distance is less than half a mile and really shouldn't take anyone in any sort of shape that long. Even with construction on Euston Road and all the CTRL stuff, I walked Euston-King's Cross in far less than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.164.168 ( talk • contribs)
I walk between Euston and St Pancras 5 days a week for work, admittedly I cut through Summerstown. Even when walking down Euston Road, this walk never takes longer than 10 minutes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:ca1a:f900:b8d7:2cd9:5aab:6996 ( talk) 00:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
I've beefed up this section, adding in sources to substantiate the criticism which has been made of the new station. Can the 'Weasel Words' heading now be removed? Ravenseft 12:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The seated are of the food court features mice walking around by customers feet. Beggars often can be seen harrassing customers for money. Have any of the people who have editing my comments ever been to Euston Station and looked around, or just cut and paste information from the internet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.104.212.40 ( talk) 10:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
"I work at Euston Station for Network Rail"
I think that sums your actions up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.104.212.40 ( talk) 10:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the article states "It is one of 17 British railway stations managed by Network Rail...".
1. Is there a list someone could produce, or a link to a page?
2. Is the count accurate?
Thanks, Ian -- Ormers ( talk) 22:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
The HS2 study suggests transferring the "eight stopping services into London which are currently operated by London Midland from Milton Keynes, Tring, Berkhamsted and similar (on the slow lines)" to Crossrail. Now the services listed on this page do not add up to 8tph London Midland suggesting it needs updating but the original source isn't even given. Anyone know where this data is?- J.Logan` t: 11:08, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I propose to merge Euston tube station and Euston railway station because they are two separate articles for one complex and when other stations like Liverpool Street station and London Victoria station are just one article, it makes me wonder why two articles were created in the first place. Also there is London Underground info on this article itself - so why two articles, surely this creates confusion. Likelife ( talk) 12:34, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I recently changed the Virgin services to follow their regular hourly daytime timetable rather than the current set-up which lists Watford Junction as the first stop for everything except Tamworth for the Glasgow trains (even though one Glasgow train stops at Milton Keynes), and it got reverted under 'Wikipedia is not a timetable' (even though I didn't make it into one). As far as I can tell standard practise on most articles is to put the regular daytime service pattern in the boxes, with less frequent earlier stops sometimes shown underneath. At the moment just putting Watford for everything somewhat defies the point of having the boxes at all because it doesn't tell the reader anything about the service patterns. They'll click to the Watford article which doesn't even distinguish between final destinations. So I wanted to put it out there to everyone on here, do you support changing it to the hourly daytime services (Milton Keynes for Chester trains, Warrington for Glasgow trains etc), oppose and want to keep the current set-up or do you think somewhere between the two? Tom walker ( talk) 09:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm guessing that "tph" is short for "trains per hour", but I shouldn't have to guess in an encyclopedia article. --- Guest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.202.28 ( talk) 16:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC) Tnx! Ortolan88 ( talk) 23:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC) (I reveal myself to the snippy autosigner)
I don't want to start an edit war so I'm posting here instead - having Tamworth as the first stop makes no sense. The 05:39 ex-Euston stops first at Watford Junction and the regular hourly service is fast to Warrington. So I only see two choices, which is either list the first stop in all cases, which would basically create Watford Watford Watford. However I think we should use the regular hourly weekday timetable, perhaps including an 'or' footnote for earlier stops if there's a consensus to include that. This would create the following:
The current setup makes no sense at all and I think this would definitely be better, but I'm open to other ideas. Please discuss and hopefully we can get a broad consensus from as many contributors as possible. Tom walker ( talk) 15:04, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
*Support - what I think is the proposal, which appears to the modification of the latest route box in this discussion, i.e. only one line for Virgin Trains as described by the latest comment by
Redrose64 (
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Comment - The thing is the departures run up physically different lines - If I was trying to make it the timetable I'd have nine boxes not five, which would be against wiki policy. Tom walker ( talk) 17:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Some years ago there was a TV programme (C4?), hostess Kirsty Wark which were trying to find out what had happned to the remains of the Euston Arch. Eventually some of it was found as a garden wall but most of it had ended up in a river bed as infill. A diver was hired to check the river bed and the remains of the arch located and a small piece raised. AT Kunene ( talk) 12:36, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
I was recently pointed at some wonderful old aerial photographs, one of which is of the old Euston station ( photos). The text makes the following note: "This superb picture clearly shows the original layout of Euston, with the Great Hall behind the Doric Arch dividing the station in two halves. The western half (on the left) was originally to have been used by the Great Western Railway, unitl it decided to develop Paddington, with the London & North Western Railway originally intended to occupy the eastern (right-hand) section.". As we don't mention this on either the Euston or Paddington articles, does anyone have a further reference to this possible history? -- AlisonW ( talk) 20:45, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
I am having some trouble editing the usage figures for the station, I have changed the numbers but the old ones seem to still be coming up! I tried changing "railexits" to "usage" but this just removed all of the figures! Can anyone shed some light on this? Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 11:00, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
railexits1415
has not yet been included in
Template:Infobox London station. It only goes as far as railexits1314
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A discussion about possibly-confused stations was held here User_talk:Ritchie333#Heuston and Euston and following that I put the distinguish Heuston Station back after it had been deleted; also added Euston Square tube which is often confused, per suggestion in that discussion.
82.69.229.22 ( talk) 14:19, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
This subsection needs updating now that work is underway. [1] seems to be the latest official source of plans-- FDent ( talk) 21:37, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Ritchie333 and I seem to have "a difference of emphasis" (as the politicos like to say) on this one, so we had better discuss rather than get into a revert battle. Ritchie333 cites https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/plan-to-scale-back-hs2-labelled-concerning-unacceptable-and-an-insult-16-12-2020/ in support of the view that it is all back up in the air. [I argue that this says nothing about Euston, it is just about eastern leg of the Y to Leeds). In response, I can cite "First freight train arrives at HS2's main construction compound". Dry Bulk. 21 December 2020. to show that the reality says that it is definitely going ahead. What exactly is going ahead remains to be seen but there can be no doubt that, at Euston and Curzon St, two big cemeteries have been excavated and the bones relocated. At Euston, Stevenson Tower out front and buildings along the other side of Melton St have been demolished. Obviously, per WP:CRYSTAL, we can't say what the outcome will be, it may all end in economic crash, but the facts on the ground are inescapable. It is happening. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 10:48, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
On 15 April 2020, formal approval was given to construction companies to start work on the project. [1]
References
I removed a bunch of recent changes because, as John Maynard Friedman observed, it is unsourced original research. Since having that in a good article devalues the GA criteria and procedures, it should be removed. So how do we progress with this? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:13, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
A significant source seems to be missing from the article's bibliography: Euston Station Through Time. This might help. Andrew🐉( talk) 23:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333: Please read MOS:HYPHEN. "Avoid using a hyphen after a standard -ly adverb (a newly available home, a wholly owned subsidiary) ...". Chris the speller yack 22:03, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
I made a bold edit that user:Ritchie333 reverted, so let's discuss.
My reason for the changes were these:
In their edit note, Ritchie says that the left/right setting is needed for small screens. I previewed the changes on 11" screen, so how small is small? Not mobile obviously because the layout changes completely.
I made some other corrections but it looks like it was the image issue that was the main reason for reverting.
Do other editors have a view? (Ritchie, you might want to coirect my paraphrase of your edit note or expand on it.) -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 19:32, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
I remember the policeman running out to the forecourt as we were waiting for our Scottish sleeper to be announced and for a six year old lad with his mum and little brother and an uncle, we orderly left the station to regroup in a small park garden a fair distance away and that police officer literally bellowing "Get out, theres a bomb" as we moved out from the main entrance was quite frightening for everyone.
My father with his car at the Motorail terminal in Kensington was doing his pieces, that was the time it just all went wrong as we were put onto a later train but thanks to me dad we got a first class cabin and so we awaited him in Inverness for his train to arrive and found they had unloaded his Hillman Hunter at Stirling and so he and we had to wait at BR's expense in the big station hotel there for BR to tag his car onto the next up Motorail the next day.
Another year, we had decided to travel as one family from Kensington Motorail when a shunter was killed by a shifting coach that speared the poor man who was incidentally a working friend of my father and as he was the ranking BR man on the spot and Olympia was just on the edge of the SR he had to take control best he could and so we were whisked away to Euston to catch the held back sleeper and both my brother and I had a great sense of trepidation going back into the station and even my mum was uncommonly nervous.
So an eyewitness from that very night, it was truly terrifying especially when the police came to talk to us they said they had little warning and ironic too that in later years my own mother became an official code-taker for warnings from the IRA at her newspapers. It was a duty she abhorred because of the potential death and destruction her news portended.
92.11.135.180 ( talk) 18:21, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Hotpantsraindance, John Maynard Friedman Can you settle your differences here. The majority of the prose in question is sourced to London's Termini, Alan Jackson, (1984) [1969], David & Charles. I cannot easily get the book out of the library because it access is still restricted owing to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
The demolition of the original buildings in 1962 has been described as "one of the greatest acts of Post-War architectural vandalism in Britain" and was approved directly by Harold Macmillan.[101][102]. MOS:QUOTE requires explicit citation for quotations. Cite 101 is a Railway News Op-ed about something completely different, that repeats this "quotation" in passing without citation: it looks like WP: circular to me. 102 is a Guardian article that never mentions the word vandalism. Need I continue? -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 19:36, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 05:10, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Euston railway station → London Euston Station – This is a procedural nomination. The article was unilaterally moved to this title by Coffeeloved456 ( talk · contribs) with the rationale "Better fitting and more descriptive location title", but I believe consensus is necessary first. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)