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I suggest this page be renamed "European Rugby Champions Cup", as this is the official title of the tournament. As the tournament is new, a colloquial name has yet to be established. European Cup and Champions Cup will probably both be used. Rugby Champions Cup was the working title of a previously proposed tournament. Kieranfp ( talk) 22:43, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Alternatively a new page could be created, as this page originally related to the PRL/LNR proposed tournament (Rugby Champions Cup), but now seems mainly to relate to the compromise tournament agreed to replace both the RCC and the Heineken Cup (European Rugby Champions Cup) Kieranfp ( talk) 22:50, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Guess who will be the main sponsor of this "new" competition: It's basically the Heineken Cup again. LOL -- 84.227.245.159 ( talk) 08:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Can I suggest that the old Heineken Cup page be merged into this page (and perhaps a separate history section split off within the page) on the basis that the new competition is a clear continuation of the old one: all of the champions back to the inaugural competition in 1996 are listed on the Champions Cup website (see here), as well as historic pool tables, full statistics by team, and archived video footage. Not to mention the large banner on this page stating "20 years of European Club Rugby", while the Elite Awards have been maintained and incorporate both Heineken Cup and Champions Cup appearances. This would correspond with the template used by the UEFA Champions League which consists of a single page to describe both it and the pre-1992 European Champion Clubs' Cup. -- CTC ( talk) 11:27, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
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Saracens have been found to be in serious breach of Premiership rules re that league's salary cap for each of the last three seasons. They have been fined £5.3m and docked 35 points (currently under appeal). That is significant for this article because qualification for the European competetion is dependent on success in teams' respective domestic leagues. Omitting the salient, verifiable and reliably sourced facts would be whitewashing and in breach of WP:NPOV. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:01, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
PeeJay2K3 can you actually engage, rather than blind reverting? Per MOS:LEAD the lede should summarise the article. Relevant, sourced material about a significant recent event is relevant for the article, is included, and is now summarised in the lead. While I can understand you wanting to remove that, doing so with the edit summary you left while also inexplicably reverting other changes, such as the hyperbole language used for Leinster's previous season? Makes no sense. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
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Why are you so obsessed with mentioning this salary cap situation in the lead of the article? It doesn't pertain to the European Cup, and even if it did, it certainly doesn't warrant mentioning at the top of an article that is supposed to be an overview of the competition as a whole. I've tried to meet you halfway, but you clearly seem to have issues with regard to ownership of this article. You should probably also look at what other edits I made at the same time because you're actively making the article worse by making blind reverts. – Pee Jay 13:57, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
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I suggest this page be renamed "European Rugby Champions Cup", as this is the official title of the tournament. As the tournament is new, a colloquial name has yet to be established. European Cup and Champions Cup will probably both be used. Rugby Champions Cup was the working title of a previously proposed tournament. Kieranfp ( talk) 22:43, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Alternatively a new page could be created, as this page originally related to the PRL/LNR proposed tournament (Rugby Champions Cup), but now seems mainly to relate to the compromise tournament agreed to replace both the RCC and the Heineken Cup (European Rugby Champions Cup) Kieranfp ( talk) 22:50, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Guess who will be the main sponsor of this "new" competition: It's basically the Heineken Cup again. LOL -- 84.227.245.159 ( talk) 08:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Can I suggest that the old Heineken Cup page be merged into this page (and perhaps a separate history section split off within the page) on the basis that the new competition is a clear continuation of the old one: all of the champions back to the inaugural competition in 1996 are listed on the Champions Cup website (see here), as well as historic pool tables, full statistics by team, and archived video footage. Not to mention the large banner on this page stating "20 years of European Club Rugby", while the Elite Awards have been maintained and incorporate both Heineken Cup and Champions Cup appearances. This would correspond with the template used by the UEFA Champions League which consists of a single page to describe both it and the pre-1992 European Champion Clubs' Cup. -- CTC ( talk) 11:27, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
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Saracens have been found to be in serious breach of Premiership rules re that league's salary cap for each of the last three seasons. They have been fined £5.3m and docked 35 points (currently under appeal). That is significant for this article because qualification for the European competetion is dependent on success in teams' respective domestic leagues. Omitting the salient, verifiable and reliably sourced facts would be whitewashing and in breach of WP:NPOV. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:01, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
PeeJay2K3 can you actually engage, rather than blind reverting? Per MOS:LEAD the lede should summarise the article. Relevant, sourced material about a significant recent event is relevant for the article, is included, and is now summarised in the lead. While I can understand you wanting to remove that, doing so with the edit summary you left while also inexplicably reverting other changes, such as the hyperbole language used for Leinster's previous season? Makes no sense. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
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Why are you so obsessed with mentioning this salary cap situation in the lead of the article? It doesn't pertain to the European Cup, and even if it did, it certainly doesn't warrant mentioning at the top of an article that is supposed to be an overview of the competition as a whole. I've tried to meet you halfway, but you clearly seem to have issues with regard to ownership of this article. You should probably also look at what other edits I made at the same time because you're actively making the article worse by making blind reverts. – Pee Jay 13:57, 7 November 2019 (UTC)