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Does anybody know why Valdotanian Union was expelled from EFA in 2007? -- Checco ( talk) 19:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand your edits. First, listing non-member parties is fairly useful to make the article more complete: examples help! Second, EFA has generally limited its membership to progressive parties, which are the majority of the party, but there are also conservative parties as members, notably Liga Fronte Veneto and Bayernpartei. -- Checco ( talk) 06:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Third, the sentence has no meaning and, however, EFA never expelled xenophobic parties because no xenophopic party ever joined it. Fourth, why does "observer members" is not ok? -- Checco ( talk) 06:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
This argumentation only works if we have a standard of which parties are leading regionalists. I don't think f.i. that the SVP, UV or NVA are good examples of leading regionalist parties. You've also not mentioned the Vlaams Belang, electorally, the most succesful separatist party in the European Union and not a member of the EFA either. BTW the Lega Nord is not a member of the ELDR, but of the UEN. The NVA is also not a member of the EPP, but only sits in their group. C mon ( talk) 07:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd be in favour of listing notable regionalist parties which are not members of EFA, but we'd have to discuss which ones to mention, I suppose. — Nightstallion 10:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Checco that there are more parties which are important enough to be specifically listed; could we simply compile a list of all parties which might be listed and then decide on a case-by-case basis? — Nightstallion 14:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Here you have the list:
Name | Country | Region | EUparty | % Regionally | % Nationally in last EU elections | Number of MEPs | Government participation |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Lega Nord | Italy | Northern Italy | UEN | 27% in Veneto, 22% in Lombardy | 5% | 4 | Yes 2002-2006 2008 |
Movement for Autonomy | Italy | Sicily | n/a | n/a | 0 | 0 | Yes 2008 |
Vlaams Belang | Belgium | Flanders | NI | 24% | 14% | 3 | No |
NVA | Belgium | Flanders | EPP-ED | ran on combined list | ran on combined list | 1 | No |
Valdotanian Union | Italy | Aosta Valley | N/a | 47% | 0.1 | 0 | No? |
South Tyrolean People's Party | Italy | South Tyrol | EPP-ED | 56% | 0.5 | 1 | No? |
CiU | Spain | Catalunya | EPP-ED | 31.5% | 5.2 (on combined list with PNV) | 1 | No |
Basque Nationalist Party | Spain | Basque country | EPP-ED | 45% | 5.2 (on combined list with CiU) | 1 | No |
Swedish People's Party (Finland) | Finland | Swedes | ELDR | n/a | 5.7 | 1 | Yes |
Party of the Hungarian Coalition | Slovakia | Hungarians | EPP-ED | n/a | 13.2% | 2 | Yes (currently) |
Sinn Fein | United Kingdom | Northern Ireland | UEL-NGL | .6% | 26% | 1 | No |
SLPD | United Kingdom | Northern Ireland | PES | .6% | 16% | 0 | No |
Democratic Union of Hungarians in Romania | Romania | Hungarians | EPP-ED | 5.5 | n/a | 2 |
Some of the parties you included in the table are not clearly regionalist. I would mention in the article about EFA: LN, MpA, VB, NVA, UV, SVP, CiU and PNV or at least the majority of them, not simply VB and LN. -- Checco ( talk) 16:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
What about Sinn Fein? The SDLP? SFP? And the Hungarian Parties in Rumenia and Slovakia? Why exclude those? C mon ( talk) 16:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Let's see. Of the full list of parties, I think we can all agree that we'll have to include: Lega Nord, Vlaams Belang, CiU, PNV, and the Democratic Union of Hungarians. Can we at least agree on those for starters? — Nightstallion 17:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Next item: I'd personally also include both Valdotanian Union and Sinn Fein, as the former is simply too strong regionally not to merit inclusion, and the latter is clearly a very important party which still has ultimately separation from the UK as one of its program cornerstones. — Nightstallion 17:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd personally not include the following:
What would you say? — Nightstallion 17:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Great work, thanks! — Nightstallion 10:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, I was the official delegate of the UDB at the last congress of EFA, so Iknow a bit of the inner working of the organization. Normally, only rather left-wing can join, the key word being rather. There are clear limits, however. I, as a delegate, would have stormed out in the minute if Vlaams Belang or Lega Nord had joined, not that anybody ever raised the idea. Another pointis that there can be only one member by region, unless the representative of the said region allows it. For instance, we can keep any other breton party from joining.
Now, regionalist parties, when they are regionalist first and left-wing second can drift to the moderate or even not so moderate right wing. That's why the UDB proposed a declaration last year at Bilbao stating that Islamophobia was a kind of racism and therefore unacceptable. It was passed but when the Union for South Tyrol split, the majority decided not to ratify the declaration and was expelled as a consequence-- Arskoul ( talk) 20:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Dear Arskoul, can you check if everything is all right in the "history" and "organization" section? In particular can you update the "history" section clearly stating what parties were EFA-members sat in the European Parliament in the different terms? I was asking to myself if and when did PNV join and leave EFA... in the article it is not clear. -- Checco ( talk) 19:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Are we sure that PNV was a member? Maybe it was simply an affiliate to the sub-group... -- Checco ( talk) 21:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
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I frankly disagree with this edit by C mon. Even if EFA does not include parties from non-EU member countries, I think that the section about "non-members" should include all the European regional and regionalist parties, even that party from Croatia, because there we are talking about Europe not the EU. It's not a big deal anyway, but I really don't understand that edit and this post is at least a reminder for the future. -- Checco ( talk) 21:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I take this opportunity also to tell my opinion about the removal of UUP and DUP. They are definitely unionist parties, but they are also regional parties representing Northern Ireland. Regional parties can be regionalist or not, conservative or liberal, right-wing or left-wing. I won't rollback the other C mon's edit about UUP and DUP, but simply to say that I don't agree. -- Checco ( talk) 21:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Behind "The Friesen" in the list of members is the flag of the "Provinz Friesland", which lies in the Netherlands. But "The Friesen" is a party in Germany and feels responsible for East Frisia, which lies in Germany. It seems that there is no east frisian flag in the en-wp. What to do now? -- 62.227.93.184 ( talk) 15:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Nationalism is a core value of the EFA. Progressive nationalism, that is. Some members are arguably conservative, but the fact that STF is far right is, besides being untrue, poorly sourced. Incidentally, the person who added that note and later the source (when requested by another person), removed the 'verify credibility' notice on that source when reverting the note. JudasBabel ( talk) 10:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Is N-VA still member of EFA? On the one hand, they left the Green-EFA EP-fraction (they joined ECR), on the other hand, the EFA president Eric Defoort is a member of N-VA.---- Bancki ( talk) 09:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
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I see this mentioned before, but while I don’t know enough about Italian newspapers to judge the credibility as some others have claimed, the articles all appear to talk about terrorist links (with no explicit use of “far-right”) in the 60s, which is far removed enough to be a bit dubious; moreover the article of the party itself makes no mention of such associations. Since this may have BLP implications, I’m going to invoke WP:BOLD and say that if nobody replies to this within 24 hours I’ll remove the far-right claim. I’ll also crosspost this onto WP Italy, Austria and the STF page itself (eventually). I’ll also be adding an irrelevant source tag to it for the time being.
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@ Checco [1] "La nostra precedente forza sorella, Alliance Valdôtaine (AV), è ormai parte integrante del processo di riunificazione nella rafforzata e rinnovata Union Valdôtaine." Braganza ( talk) 14:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Checco: LSV is mutliethnic at best, if they were an hungarian party they wouldn't have failed in the last parliamentary election Braganza ( talk) 20:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
if they are a minority party than they would be a rusyn party since their sibling Together for Vojvodina (party) is actually a rusyn party but LSV is still ethnically serbian Braganza ( talk) 13:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Correct, LSV is multiethnic and does not represent any actual ethnicity, they represent the Vojvodina identity. ZZV on the other hand is a registered minority party, LSV is not. -- Vacant0 ( talk) 19:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Does anybody know why Valdotanian Union was expelled from EFA in 2007? -- Checco ( talk) 19:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand your edits. First, listing non-member parties is fairly useful to make the article more complete: examples help! Second, EFA has generally limited its membership to progressive parties, which are the majority of the party, but there are also conservative parties as members, notably Liga Fronte Veneto and Bayernpartei. -- Checco ( talk) 06:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Third, the sentence has no meaning and, however, EFA never expelled xenophobic parties because no xenophopic party ever joined it. Fourth, why does "observer members" is not ok? -- Checco ( talk) 06:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
This argumentation only works if we have a standard of which parties are leading regionalists. I don't think f.i. that the SVP, UV or NVA are good examples of leading regionalist parties. You've also not mentioned the Vlaams Belang, electorally, the most succesful separatist party in the European Union and not a member of the EFA either. BTW the Lega Nord is not a member of the ELDR, but of the UEN. The NVA is also not a member of the EPP, but only sits in their group. C mon ( talk) 07:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd be in favour of listing notable regionalist parties which are not members of EFA, but we'd have to discuss which ones to mention, I suppose. — Nightstallion 10:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Checco that there are more parties which are important enough to be specifically listed; could we simply compile a list of all parties which might be listed and then decide on a case-by-case basis? — Nightstallion 14:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Here you have the list:
Name | Country | Region | EUparty | % Regionally | % Nationally in last EU elections | Number of MEPs | Government participation |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Lega Nord | Italy | Northern Italy | UEN | 27% in Veneto, 22% in Lombardy | 5% | 4 | Yes 2002-2006 2008 |
Movement for Autonomy | Italy | Sicily | n/a | n/a | 0 | 0 | Yes 2008 |
Vlaams Belang | Belgium | Flanders | NI | 24% | 14% | 3 | No |
NVA | Belgium | Flanders | EPP-ED | ran on combined list | ran on combined list | 1 | No |
Valdotanian Union | Italy | Aosta Valley | N/a | 47% | 0.1 | 0 | No? |
South Tyrolean People's Party | Italy | South Tyrol | EPP-ED | 56% | 0.5 | 1 | No? |
CiU | Spain | Catalunya | EPP-ED | 31.5% | 5.2 (on combined list with PNV) | 1 | No |
Basque Nationalist Party | Spain | Basque country | EPP-ED | 45% | 5.2 (on combined list with CiU) | 1 | No |
Swedish People's Party (Finland) | Finland | Swedes | ELDR | n/a | 5.7 | 1 | Yes |
Party of the Hungarian Coalition | Slovakia | Hungarians | EPP-ED | n/a | 13.2% | 2 | Yes (currently) |
Sinn Fein | United Kingdom | Northern Ireland | UEL-NGL | .6% | 26% | 1 | No |
SLPD | United Kingdom | Northern Ireland | PES | .6% | 16% | 0 | No |
Democratic Union of Hungarians in Romania | Romania | Hungarians | EPP-ED | 5.5 | n/a | 2 |
Some of the parties you included in the table are not clearly regionalist. I would mention in the article about EFA: LN, MpA, VB, NVA, UV, SVP, CiU and PNV or at least the majority of them, not simply VB and LN. -- Checco ( talk) 16:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
What about Sinn Fein? The SDLP? SFP? And the Hungarian Parties in Rumenia and Slovakia? Why exclude those? C mon ( talk) 16:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Let's see. Of the full list of parties, I think we can all agree that we'll have to include: Lega Nord, Vlaams Belang, CiU, PNV, and the Democratic Union of Hungarians. Can we at least agree on those for starters? — Nightstallion 17:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Next item: I'd personally also include both Valdotanian Union and Sinn Fein, as the former is simply too strong regionally not to merit inclusion, and the latter is clearly a very important party which still has ultimately separation from the UK as one of its program cornerstones. — Nightstallion 17:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd personally not include the following:
What would you say? — Nightstallion 17:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Great work, thanks! — Nightstallion 10:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, I was the official delegate of the UDB at the last congress of EFA, so Iknow a bit of the inner working of the organization. Normally, only rather left-wing can join, the key word being rather. There are clear limits, however. I, as a delegate, would have stormed out in the minute if Vlaams Belang or Lega Nord had joined, not that anybody ever raised the idea. Another pointis that there can be only one member by region, unless the representative of the said region allows it. For instance, we can keep any other breton party from joining.
Now, regionalist parties, when they are regionalist first and left-wing second can drift to the moderate or even not so moderate right wing. That's why the UDB proposed a declaration last year at Bilbao stating that Islamophobia was a kind of racism and therefore unacceptable. It was passed but when the Union for South Tyrol split, the majority decided not to ratify the declaration and was expelled as a consequence-- Arskoul ( talk) 20:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Dear Arskoul, can you check if everything is all right in the "history" and "organization" section? In particular can you update the "history" section clearly stating what parties were EFA-members sat in the European Parliament in the different terms? I was asking to myself if and when did PNV join and leave EFA... in the article it is not clear. -- Checco ( talk) 19:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Are we sure that PNV was a member? Maybe it was simply an affiliate to the sub-group... -- Checco ( talk) 21:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
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I frankly disagree with this edit by C mon. Even if EFA does not include parties from non-EU member countries, I think that the section about "non-members" should include all the European regional and regionalist parties, even that party from Croatia, because there we are talking about Europe not the EU. It's not a big deal anyway, but I really don't understand that edit and this post is at least a reminder for the future. -- Checco ( talk) 21:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I take this opportunity also to tell my opinion about the removal of UUP and DUP. They are definitely unionist parties, but they are also regional parties representing Northern Ireland. Regional parties can be regionalist or not, conservative or liberal, right-wing or left-wing. I won't rollback the other C mon's edit about UUP and DUP, but simply to say that I don't agree. -- Checco ( talk) 21:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Behind "The Friesen" in the list of members is the flag of the "Provinz Friesland", which lies in the Netherlands. But "The Friesen" is a party in Germany and feels responsible for East Frisia, which lies in Germany. It seems that there is no east frisian flag in the en-wp. What to do now? -- 62.227.93.184 ( talk) 15:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Nationalism is a core value of the EFA. Progressive nationalism, that is. Some members are arguably conservative, but the fact that STF is far right is, besides being untrue, poorly sourced. Incidentally, the person who added that note and later the source (when requested by another person), removed the 'verify credibility' notice on that source when reverting the note. JudasBabel ( talk) 10:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Is N-VA still member of EFA? On the one hand, they left the Green-EFA EP-fraction (they joined ECR), on the other hand, the EFA president Eric Defoort is a member of N-VA.---- Bancki ( talk) 09:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
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I see this mentioned before, but while I don’t know enough about Italian newspapers to judge the credibility as some others have claimed, the articles all appear to talk about terrorist links (with no explicit use of “far-right”) in the 60s, which is far removed enough to be a bit dubious; moreover the article of the party itself makes no mention of such associations. Since this may have BLP implications, I’m going to invoke WP:BOLD and say that if nobody replies to this within 24 hours I’ll remove the far-right claim. I’ll also crosspost this onto WP Italy, Austria and the STF page itself (eventually). I’ll also be adding an irrelevant source tag to it for the time being.
Editing off-account as User:Fermiboson. If you reply to this, please ping me with the user tag. 119.236.180.209 ( talk) 13:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
@ Checco [1] "La nostra precedente forza sorella, Alliance Valdôtaine (AV), è ormai parte integrante del processo di riunificazione nella rafforzata e rinnovata Union Valdôtaine." Braganza ( talk) 14:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Checco: LSV is mutliethnic at best, if they were an hungarian party they wouldn't have failed in the last parliamentary election Braganza ( talk) 20:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
if they are a minority party than they would be a rusyn party since their sibling Together for Vojvodina (party) is actually a rusyn party but LSV is still ethnically serbian Braganza ( talk) 13:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Correct, LSV is multiethnic and does not represent any actual ethnicity, they represent the Vojvodina identity. ZZV on the other hand is a registered minority party, LSV is not. -- Vacant0 ( talk) 19:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)